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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:04 am

    How do you say in German that Biden is the leader of the free world?? Der Führer der freien Welt

    ... or...

    Die freie Welt ist in große Gruppen von Idioten zusammengebrochen, die jeder Propaganda (insbesondere aus Hollywood) glauben, die sie hören, und alten Männern mit langen weißen Haaren und langen weißen Bärten folgen. Biden lässt sich die Haare wachsen und hat aufgehört sich zu rasieren und nennt sich jetzt Biden der Weiße und sagt, er habe einen Ring gefunden, den er sein kostbares nennt... also fallen seine Haare aus und er hat abgenommen.

    Russians targeting civilian targets is cringe BS. How many such incidents so far and what is the objective? Simple spite and hate would mean that
    hundreds of missiles would have been sent at such targets in the last two years, in fact it would be even more effective to use FAB-3000 glide
    bombs on Kiev and other cities in very large numbers. Maybe start a Dresden style firestorm...

    If the goal was shock an awe and to send a political message to the people or the international community an FAB-3000 could easily have flattened the target in one shot, instead of the claimed 5 Kh-101s with 400kgs of explosives each... which also should have leveled the place unless they all hit the same spot and repeated the same damage five times.

    But even then there should be more damage than was shown in the video.

    Russia has numerically a smaller force, but this never mattered due to the arms superiority on all categories

    Numerical strength is not so important when you have fire power and air power advantages as well as plenty of vehicles for mobility and drones for protection and attack etc etc etc.

    The advantage of being on the attack means you choose where the fighting takes place and you have local numerical superiority for that phase of the attack too.

    Apparently, I should've been aware that there are plenty of those CM precision strike clips out there since they've been conducting them since the start of the SMO.

    Kiev likes to dig up old stuff and pretend it is new, and when there are lots of videos floating around the place mistakes can happen where either side finds a vid they hadn't recognised having seen before and think it is new...

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:11 am

    Did the Ukr regime army have any real numerical advantage? The 2022 Kharkov withdrawal was a case of Russia redeploying its troops
    and not some victory by the Ukr army using larger numbers. The Kiev regime has had to rebuild its army at least three times but it never
    fielded a 750,000 force against Russia.

    I see videos such as the one with Judge Nap and his guest Doctorow and Ukraine's population (allegedly 25 million) is argued to provide a
    large supply of soldiers to face the Russians. We don't see any evidence of this resource. Instead it is progressively more apparent that
    Ukr forces are undermanned and undertrained. Raising an army is not as simple as snapping fingers and making wishes.

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    Post  franco Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:11 am

    Russian MoD reporting 2075 Ukrainian casualties over the past 24 hours.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12520299@egNews

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Jul 13, 2024 12:32 pm

    so more or less russians in the frontline?

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:25 pm

    We heard of about 750K troops of Russia's in Ukraine. I highly doubt there are that many on the battlefield. My guess is that half of that is on the battlefield while the other half are sitting on the boarder waiting to rotate.

    They are probably gaining more forces to indeed replace those who are on leave and injured waiting for recovery. There wont be mobilization as there is no need for it. Volunteers and contractors keep increasing.

    That said, I wonder what is the total amount and where they are located each area. I'm betting we will not know as its opsec.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:39 pm

    I think the largest Ukr army at any given time was 300,000 men. I think Russia is scaling its forces according to what Ukria can muster.
    As for how many are on the front, it is typically about 50% of the total due to logistics and rotation of troops.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:19 pm

    Actually it's should be something like 1/3 on the front, 1/3 resting, 1/3 in training.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:59 pm


    I love how that frame is bending like overloaded shopping bag under the weight of that thing lol1

    F in chat for anything in the blast radius Razz





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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 13, 2024 7:32 pm

    Shock wave raised dust for a fair distance.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Sat Jul 13, 2024 10:42 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Shock wave raised dust for a fair distance.


    Why was Ukraine hiding Pope Frankie's Fantastic Exploding Baby Formula in the open like that?
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:50 am

    Actually it's should be something like 1/3 on the front, 1/3 resting, 1/3 in training.

    Well for every guy on the front line there will be 5 or more in support and supply units delivering food and water and ammo and taking out damaged vehicles and weapons to be repaired and sent back...

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    Post  thegopnik Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:27 am

    guess you guys know what happened, have some laughs.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jul 14, 2024 2:43 am


    Cages are really helping ,i guess they added some ERA on it .

    I'm now remembering those who mocked that design at the beginning of the war Cool

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 14, 2024 6:46 am

    Maria Zakharova:

    1. Maybe it's better to use that money to fund American police and other services that are supposed to maintain law and order within the U.S.?

    2. Yesterday, one of the leaders of the Kyiv regime, Budanov, openly admitted that Ukrainian intelligence was preparing an assassination attempt on the President of Russia. This assassination attempt was again prepared with American money, without which the malicious activities of the GUR, SBU, and in general, the Bankova wouldn't be possible.

    3. With massive funding and uncontrolled arms supplies, Washington has created a terrorist structure in Ukraine - the Kyiv regime. It's a machine of killings, sabotage, destruction, and terror both against political figures and the civilian population. Just the "Peacemaker" website alone, overseen by Americans, is worth mentioning - it's literally a hit list of journalists and public figures.

    The United States of America must inventory its policy of fueling hatred towards political opponents, countries, and peoples, and of sponsoring terrorism. The bell tolls for Washington!”

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    Post  kvs Sun Jul 14, 2024 7:53 am

    Imagine the frothing at the mouth in the NATzO west if Russia had a hit-list website like Mirotvorets. Somehow "democracy" Ukria can have such
    a list. Anyone who does not love the Kiev regime and says any truth about Ukria gets put on this kill list.

    Anyway, it looks like Russia has imposed a de facto no fly zone over the Black Sea and NATzO surveillance drones are no longer flying around Crimea.
    Mighty NATzO ain't so mighty.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jul 14, 2024 9:08 am

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    Those wings could be used for charter flights.  lol1

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:32 am

    Sitting duck apart from in the sales brochure and NATO PR

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jul 14, 2024 12:53 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Sitting duck apart from in the sales brochure and NATO PR


    I must disagree here, IRIS-T is not bad at all! It's just that Iskander is much more sophisticated and effective technology.

    =============


    Dunno why, but every time I see FAB-300, I recall Meatlug from "How to Train Your Dragon". lol1 lol1 lol1


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    Post  thegopnik Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:15 pm

    -failed attempts of getting thrown into prison.
    -Media goes viral on Biden during his debate that even left wing media and major figure heads that lean democrat shit on Biden. Before Hillary and Biden had their asses kissed alot.
    -Media goes viral when he called Putin president of Ukraine (maybe he was speaking future tense) VP Trump.
    -failed assassination attempt, rumors of security not checking empty building nearby, makes it too difficult to plan a 2nd assassination attempt without it alerting the public that secret service is after him.
    -Think we got 2 more debates on TV with time not on Biden's side for his collapsing mental state that people will just watch it with excitement hoping Biden says more stupid shit.

    Trump is literally viewed as the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ now. It's so fucking bad that if somehow Biden did win this election with Trump still breathing, barely anyone would want to vote in 2028 with mass majority of Americans truly believing elections don't matter. It's so bad that they have to let Trump win just to convince millions of Americans that voting for elections still matter.

    The only thing that can save Zelensky now is that we enter WW3 before he comes to office

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:19 pm

    Iris is just one more of examples of how EU based MIC can provide a variety of very sophisticated systems, without murican assistance.
    It took an European perspective to finally make a MIM-104 an effective tool - MEADS core is made of Italian made radar using Germany supplied modules.
    That finally closed the gap of murican "wunderwaffe" cone of observation.
    Not to mention that it can use both PAC3MSE and Iris missiles in one integrated system.
    SAMP-T from the very beginning presented a much more effective composition rather than Patriot in any of its advanced versions.
    It is a sad observation, from EU citizen perspective. Really.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:37 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Iris is just one more of examples of how EU based MIC can provide a variety of very sophisticated systems, without murican assistance.
    It took an European perspective to finally make a MIM-104 an effective tool - MEADS core is made of Italian made radar using Germany supplied modules.  
    That finally closed the gap of murican "wunderwaffe" cone of observation.
    Not to mention that it can use both PAC3MSE and Iris missiles in one integrated system.
    SAMP-T from the very beginning presented a much more effective composition rather than Patriot in any of its advanced versions.
    It is a sad observation, from EU citizen perspective. Really.

    + 100%

    But its not enough proeuropen elites. Poland is an inglorious example No No No . Polish elites seem to consider themselves as the 52nd state. But in reality, they cannot even dream of having Puerto Rico's status.

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:43 pm

    MEADS still uses PAC-3 missiles. When they could have simply used Aster instead. Yet more grovelling to the US.
    It is as usual. Germany trying to make itself look relevant by instead of buying a French system, making something cobbled together with US systems in it.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 14, 2024 1:54 pm

    lancelot wrote:MEADS still uses PAC-3 missiles. When they could have simply used Aster instead. Yet more grovelling to the US.
    It is as usual. Germany trying to make itself look relevant by instead of buying a French system, making something cobbled together with US systems in it.

    MEADS is just one of multiple examples of how the European vassals are pushed to finance the imperial extravaganza.
    Germans had no option other than buy it - yet struggled to make it effective.

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    Post  Arrow Sun Jul 14, 2024 3:29 pm

    The French are probably the most independent when it comes to MIC. Its own Rafale, SAMP anti-aircraft systems, supersonic maneuvering missiles, nuclear weapons, SSBN ships with its own SLBM, the new and certainly advanced SSN Barracuda, its own aircraft carrier.

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