Georgia's possible rapprochement with Russia.

In some posts before this people asked why the ruling party Gruzian Dream does not immediately cut all ties with the west and does not openly announce the abandonment of joining EU.

Here is the reason.


Sometime people have to behave like Goujian (勾踐). Not all countries are strong, robust and powerful, like Russia and China who can openly say what they really feel.

Hahahaha... losing 121 million Euros in donations... oh no... the fools.... surely entering into open warfare with Russia and losing in 3-4 days of fighting and then to fight a guerilla war for as long as the west demands was a much better idea... think of all the coffins and gravestones that 121 million Euros could have paid for...

And after their country is destroyed and Russia is victorious the west will cut and run like they did in Afghanistan and are about to do in the Ukraine...

121 million Euros is not enough for any country to commit suicide... even 121 billion euros wouldn't cut it.

Edit: The west is so successful because while 121 million Euros wont cover the damage they do to your country... asset theft and buying out your successful companies at very low prices and of course dragging you into wars that do not have your interests at heart... 121 million Euros is enough to bribe key people in your government... decision making people who will take the money and drop their own country in the number twos and run before they can be held accountable.

Nuland said the overthrow of Ukraine cost 5 billion, so the people with real power in that country who could decide who controls the country and its direction sold out their country for 5 billion US dollars. Would be interesting tracking down where that 5 billion went and how they feel about what has happened to their country because of their treason. If real media existed that would be a story I would be interested in.

The people of Georgia probably want European lifestyles of comfort and excess and that is the appeal of the European Union, but the cost is loss of sovereignty... having the officials in Brussels tell you you have to have transvestites reading stories to your children, and gay parades every year to celebrate sexual diversity...

Hopefully BRICS will start to help countries achieve that improved quality of life without compromising their ethics and morals.

I am concluding that most power hungry clowns are innumerate. They sell themselves and their country for a few dollars. Not actual vast riches for their
country but chump change for themselves. They are like the criminals who rob banks and then burn the money on hookers and blow. Not very bright at all,
just very "assertive" in an autistic way.

Sure, the US imperialists groom such clown, but the problem is that they outnumber the people of caliber who want to get into politics and form government by
a factor of 1000 to 1. The only reason that Russia and China have not become 3rd world toilets is because they have elite structures that could not be fully
subverted. China did not undergo revolutionary change like Russia in the 1990s so it is more stable. But the emergence of the siloviki in Russia which includes
Putin is what prevented Yeltsinite vermin from fully taking over and whoring Russia out to NATzO. Georgia and other limitrophes were not so resistant.

It is nice to have ideals about democracy and freedom, but in the real world one has to account for imperial meddling. So support for "dictatorial" elements that
preserve a country from colonization is mandatory. You have to chose the "lesser evil". We see that liberalization is just a conduit for take over. In the case
of Russia it has managed to liberalize under Putin even though he is supposedly a "tyrant". Not by flipping comprador parties every few years, but actual street
level freedom and stability. Putin and United Russia are a legitimate choice of the Russian people thanks to this. If Russia had followed Yeltsin's path and
engaged the token presidential limits and Rolodex party elections it would have been carved up by now into manageable colonies.

This is why China's alleged lack of democracy has to be put into context. If China "democratized" it would likely have been torn apart by strife as regional
elements would push in all directions. China needs to be compared to all of Europe as an effectively multi-state entity and not a single country like France.
(The same is true for India, BTW). Liberalization weakness would open the way for imperial meddling and we would likely have seen what we had in the early
1900s with warlords pulling the country into pieces. Who says that democracy has to come in a few days. It clearly needs to wait for conditions to be
right. In the future I expect China to transition out of a one party regime. But it is lunacy to do this at the cost of the sort of instability we see in the
former USSR and Yugoslavia. Being able to vote every few years for token difference parties (like here in Kanada) is not worth much given other
important considerations.

kvs wrote:It is nice to have ideals about democracy and freedom, but in the real world one has to account for imperial meddling.

Democracy is a form of state, by a form of state it means an organized violence to suppress the masses for the benefit of the ruling class. In other word, democracy is only applied to the rulers and not to the masses. Athenian slave-owner democracy is the most classic example of this. Capitalist democracy is more subtle in that aspect, but it is clear that it is also the democracy of the billionaires, not of the proles.

In Western liberal-bourgeioise democracy there is the separation between politics and economy, in which your freedom of speech and your voting rights cannot interfere into wealth-based power dynamics, including labour-employer relationship, the so-called "freedom of business" (i.e. the freedom of manipulate the market), and market economy, which inherently favour the people with money over the people with empty pocket. Adam Smith in his magnum opus pointed out how wealthy employers can leverage their wealth and connection with government magistrate to achieve unequal contract against artisans - although it is self-evidence and does not need to be a veteran economist to understand.

As a result, you are free to say anything about childlessness or non-marriage or rainbow or hippie rebellious lifestyle, but you are not allowed to say bad things about your employer even if he really is a scumbag.

Powerful companies and corporations have strict censorship over what their employees can and cannot say... if they detect you express your frustration on Internet then being fired is the least you can expect... you can be blacklisted by all the employers in the sector and even by all other capitalists as a mean of revenge in a mafia way...

Tesla tried to murder-by-cop one of their former whistleblower employees. What you state is evidenced by concrete examples. Julian Assange is
the poster boy for western "freedom". Exposing crimes is the worst crime of all in the western utopias.

kvs wrote:
Democracy is a form of state, by a form of state it means an organized violence to suppress the masses for the benefit of the ruling class. In other word, democracy is only applied to the rulers and not to the masses. Athenian slave-owner democracy is the most classic example of this. Capitalist democracy is more subtle in that aspect, but it is clear that it is also the democracy of the billionaires, not of the proles.

Yeah, in the ancient Athens democracy was applicable to about 8% of the population...

That was higourashi's comment.

His example is pertinent because the slavery has been abstracted. The proles are not nominally slaves, they are wage slaves. They are also kept on the
mental plantation by the MSM which is fully oligarch controlled. This has been true for the last 200 years of supposed emergent democracy in the west.
There has been some mental liberation through fringe media but as you can see it has not fundamentally changed anything.

I recall a certain big name in climate science saying that the innovation in western democracies is that they are not based on slave labour. That is not
true. The exploitation of the proles is still there. The western "free" proles are also exploited by their "democratic" government which they supposedly elect
into power through taxation and regulation. The government serves the interests of the oligarchy and the elite. The taxpayer money is fed to the
corporations through ludicrously sloppy contracts (as if three bids somehow excludes collusion).

The dream came true. The West suffered a crushing defeat on the border with Russia, 11.25.2024.

Political scientist Sikharulidze: Georgian opposition will soon disappear.

MOSCOW, November 25 — RIA Novosti, Mikhail Katkov. The Georgian Dream announced that Irakli Kobakhidze and Shalva Papuashvili will retain their posts as prime minister and speaker of parliament. Despite the opposition's attempts to organize a coup d'etat, Georgia successfully survived the elections. The threats of Maidan and the opening of a "second front" against Russia have passed. What the authorities' opponents will do now — in the RIA Novosti article.

Drawn the line

The Central Election Commission announced the official results of the vote. The ruling Georgian Dream party since 2014 received 53.93 percent and 89 seats, the Coalition of Changes - 11.03 and 19 respectively, the United National Movement - 10.17 and 16, Strong Georgia - 8.81 and 14, Gakharia for Georgia - 7.78 and 12.

The ruling party does not have a constitutional majority. In the previous convocation of parliament, it was almost the same, now there is only one deputy less. And this is enough to independently form a government. The first session of the elected parliament is scheduled to open on November 25.

The opposition refused to recognize the election results. President Salome Zurabishvili suggested living as if there had been no vote. The parliament, government and head of state will remain the same until the international community conducts an investigation and organizes new elections, she said.

This is important for her: Zurabishvili's presidential powers expire at the end of the year, and there is no universal suffrage for a successor. Deputies and local government representatives will form a college of 300 electors who will decide who to appoint. Since the president has long been in conflict with the Georgian Dream, she has no chance of a second term.

In turn, the "Coalition of Changes" and the "United National Movement" asked the CEC not to register their representatives as elected deputies, hoping to paralyze the work of parliament. The leader of "Strong Georgia" Mamuka Khazaradze suggested that other opposition parties create their own legislative body, which will be headed by Zurabishvili.

Executive Secretary of the Georgian Dream Mamuka Mdinaradze does not believe in the seriousness of the opposition's intentions to leave the legal parliament. Otherwise, according to him, the opponents of the authorities would not have made spectacular statements, but would have calmly resigned after the opening of the first session.

The street will judge

Be that as it may, one of the leaders of the "Coalition of Changes" - Nika Gvaramia on November 17 proclaimed the transition to a new stage of the fight against the "Georgian Dream". Several thousand people blocked Chavchavadze Avenue in the center of Tbilisi, pitched 32 tents there and surrounded them with barricades of garbage cans.

Gvaramia claimed that his supporters would be able to "peacefully and non-violently" force the authorities to make concessions. And Western partners would see the determination of the Georgian people "to fight for democracy to the end." He hoped to keep the tent camp until at least November 25. On the first day of the elected parliament, protesters were planning to surround the building so that no one could get in.

But by the morning of November 19, about three thousand police officers had cleared the city center — without rubber bullets, water cannons, or tear gas. The opposition did not even try to defend the barricades. Security forces detained 16 people.

Mdinaradze thanked the police for "implementing the law professionally and peacefully." "This extremism of the agent opposition was encouraged by those foreign politicians who came to Georgia in the previous days, provoked, called for a Maidan here, and then calmly returned to their countries," he noted.

Representative of the Girchi party, which failed to enter parliament, Alexander Rakviashvili advised the opposition to admit defeat. The protests were not massive, which means that Georgians agree with the election results, he said. He added: "There are times when you need to raise the white flag and switch to a long-term game. I think now is just such a moment."

The Future of the Opposition

"The opposition's prospects are rather bleak," Archil Sikharulidze, founder of the SIKHA Initiative foundation, told RIA Novosti. "Even its traditional voters are providing minimal support today. Firstly, the opponents of the Georgian Dream are calling for violent actions, that is, for civil confrontation. Nobody wants that. Secondly, it is unclear what exactly the opposition leaders are demanding."

The opposition forces have still not been able to find convincing evidence of election fraud, the expert continues. As a result, no one believes in it either in Georgia or abroad. "All this street activity looks like a PR campaign, but if the opposition does not return to parliament, they will simply disappear after some time," Sikharulidze believes.

The Georgian Dream has the support of the population, and its opponents are unpopular, says Alexander Krylov, chief researcher at the Caucasus sector of the IMEMO RAS. According to him, Maidan was expected by those who were in a world of illusions. But they were able to infect their Western partners with their confidence. Representatives of the EU and the US decided to bet on the defeat of the current authorities or protests, which are inevitable in the event of mass falsifications. Neither happened.

"Everything is heading towards Zurabishvili, a European politician of Georgian origin, resigning and going to some EU structure. Her behavior after the elections shows that she is already preparing for this. And the parties that have overcome the electoral barrier but do not want to sit in the Legislative Assembly are only making things worse for themselves. They are losing a platform from which to address voters. If this continues, it will be even more difficult for them in the next elections," the expert explained to RIA Novosti.

However, the West will continue to finance them in any case, Krylov warned. After all, the EU and the US need leverage on Tbilisi.

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Georgian Foreign Minister Candidate Presents Vision of Relations with Russia, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 11.26.2024.

Candidate for the post of Georgian Foreign Minister Maka Bochorishvili stated the need to focus international attention at a high level on relations between Tbilisi and Moscow, which were severed after the 2008 war, reports a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi.

At parliamentary hearings on Tuesday, she said that “from the point of view of the peaceful restoration of Georgia’s territorial integrity and its unification, it is especially important that the issue of a peaceful settlement of the Russian-Georgian conflict remains on the international agenda at a high level.”

At the same time, she called the problem of restoring Georgia’s territorial integrity “the most important.”

“The Georgian authorities are using all possible diplomatic and legal levers to “de-occupy” the “occupied territories,” said Maka Bochorishvili.

Tbilisi accuses Moscow of "occupying" Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

She also said that Georgia “will continue to provide uninterrupted humanitarian aid to Ukraine within its own capabilities.”

Also, according to her, Tbilisi will continue to support Kyiv in the diplomatic arena.

The new government of Georgia will be approved on November 28.

Earlier it was reported that Maka Bochorishvili refused to listen to ultimatums from the West.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/26/1300033.html

Former footballer becomes candidate in presidential elections in Georgia, 11.27.2024.

Former footballer Kavelashvili has become a candidate in the presidential elections in Georgia.

TBILISI, November 27 — RIA Novosti. The ruling Georgian Dream party has nominated former football player Mikheil Kavelashvili as a candidate for the post of president of the country, the founder and honorary chairman of the party Bidzina Ivanishvili said at a briefing.

"The political council of the Georgian Dream has decided to nominate Mikheil Kavelashvili for the post of president. For many years, as a successful athlete, he defended the dignity of Georgia . Misha was an experienced member of the Georgian football team," Ivanishvili said.

He recalled that the athlete became champion of several countries during his football career.

Kavelashvili was born in 1971 in Tbilisi . He began playing for the local Lokomotiv, then moved to Tbilisi Dynamo, with which he became a six-time champion of Georgia (1990-1995). In 1995, he moved to the Vladikavkaz club Spartak-Alania, with which he won the Russian championship . In 1998, he became the champion of Switzerland as part of Zurich Grasshopper.

Kavelashvili played more than 40 matches for the national team.

The Georgian Parliament has set the presidential elections for December 14. The president will be elected for the first time by an electoral college. This body will include 300 people: half will be parliamentarians, the rest will be delegates from the regions.

The current President Salome Zurabishvili supports the opposition and together with it does not recognize the results of the October 26 parliamentary elections, which were won by the Georgian Dream. Zurabishvili has not ruled out that she will run for a second term.

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Kobakhidze approved for post of Georgian Prime Minister
Parliament approves Kobakhidze as Georgia's Prime Minister, 11.28.2024.

TBILISI, November 28 — RIA Novosti. The Georgian parliament approved Irakli Kobakhidze as prime minister; the meeting was broadcast live on the website of the country's highest legislative body.

"Eighty-four for, zero against. The resolution has been adopted," speaker Shalva Papuashvili summed up the voting results.

Kobakhidze, while presenting the government program to parliament, said that the country would continue its pragmatic policy toward Russia . According to him, there are red lines that Georgia will adhere to.

The Prime Minister also named resetting Tbilisi's relations with Washington and Brussels as the main priority . He noted that Georgia aims to join the EU by 2030. At the same time, Kobakhidze called on the European Union to prove its respect for the country.

On Thursday, at a plenary session, the Georgian parliament of the new, 11th convocation, in which the majority belongs to the Georgian Dream party, expressed confidence in the renewed composition of the government headed by Kobakhidze , as well as the government programme.

There are three new ministers in the cabinet: Foreign Minister Maka Bochorishvili , Justice Minister Anri Okhanashvili, and Environmental Protection and Agriculture Minister David Songulashvili.

Georgian Defence Minister Irakli Chikovani retained his post following the voting results.

Georgia will hold presidential elections on December 14. The head of state will be elected for the first time by an electoral college. This body will include 300 people: half will be parliamentarians, the rest will be delegates from the regions.

The current President Salome Zurabishvili supports the opposition and together with it does not recognize the results of the October 26 parliamentary elections, which were won by the Georgian Dream. Zurabishvili has not ruled out that she will run for a second term.

https://ria.ru/20241128/kobakhidze-1986191564.html

Georgia freezes talks with EU for four years, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 11.28.2024.

Georgia has decided to freeze the issue of starting negotiations with the European Union on membership until 2028, Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said at a briefing, a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi reports.

He said that this decision would “improve relations” between Tbilisi and Brussels, since now “some European politicians and bureaucrats” are “blackmailing” his country with this issue.

Georgia is also refusing all budget grants from the EU until the end of 2028. “It is categorically unacceptable to view EU integration as charity,” said Irakli Kobakhidze.

At the same time, he promised that by the end of 2028, Georgia “will be economically ready to begin negotiations on joining the European Union in 2030.” According to him, Georgia will be better prepared for membership in the European Union in 2030 than all other candidate countries.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/28/1300521.html

kiko wrote:Georgia freezes talks with EU for four years, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 11.28.2024.

Georgia has decided to freeze the issue of starting negotiations with the European Union on membership until 2028, Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said at a briefing, a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi reports.

He said that this decision would “improve relations” between Tbilisi and Brussels, since now “some European politicians and bureaucrats” are “blackmailing” his country with this issue.

Georgia is also refusing all budget grants from the EU until the end of 2028. “It is categorically unacceptable to view EU integration as charity,” said Irakli Kobakhidze.

At the same time, he promised that by the end of 2028, Georgia “will be economically ready to begin negotiations on joining the European Union in 2030.” According to him, Georgia will be better prepared for membership in the European Union in 2030 than all other candidate countries.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/28/1300521.html

“improve relations”...  that's an imaginitive way to say go fck yerself...  ie, we in Georgia don't need to abase ourselves in front of you eurotrash weenies.  We can make nice with the Chinese and get far more advantages, and they won't demand we sell all publical/state owned assets to wealthy foreign private capital owners, or that we acquiesce to surrendering our soverignty to the 4th Reich kommisars in Imperial Brussels.

4 years should be more than enough to test the waters with China and properly evaluate the pros and cons of engaging with the East and telling the West to go and pound sand.

No European country would turn down free money... but Georgia is smart enough to know there is no such thing as free money... it is all part of the control the west uses...

They went to great pains to try to frame China in the same way, when Chinese companies built things in Africa they often built roads and houses and schools and hospitals at the same time and there was always the suggestion that this was all a bribe to make the locals feel they needed to keep giving contracts and allow the Chinese companies to do what they wanted... because that is what the west does.

If it is giving 121 million Euros to Georgia you can bet your arse that they want that money spent in a way that Georgia does what they want and they end up making rather more than this piffling amount in return... with the ultimate focus of taking over the government and media so they can use it against Russia or anyone they please.

“improve relations”... that's an imaginitive way to say go fck yerself... ie, we in Georgia don't need to abase ourselves in front of you eurotrash weenies. We can make nice with the Chinese and get far more advantages, and they won't demand we sell all publical/state owned assets to wealthy foreign private capital owners, or that we acquiesce to surrendering our soverignty to the 4th Reich kommisars in Imperial Brussels.

I think they are being rather clever... the current batch of Europeans are not very smart and are actually quite arrogant and controlling... a loss to Russia on the battlefield and the American focus shifting from Europe to Asia might lead to them realising... no one gives a **** about them now... energy is not going to get cheaper for them and things are only going to get worse with their current attitude.

As you point out a country like Georgia had very limited options... Russia or the EU and the Russian option was not hugely appealing because the west was stifling Russian growth... but now perhaps Europe is starting to realise relations with Russia were actually holding them back and now they can grow and expand their relations with the rest of the world on their own terms rather than through the west via European shipping companies and London based insurance companies, Russia is becoming a much more interesting trade partner... even the mildly anti Russian Ukraine chose the Russian deal over the EU deal that the Eu thought would win without even trying. They had to overthrow the government to get that deal and it seems these days that is the only way they get deals... by cheating... by destroying democracy and ultimately destroying the country.

You mention Georgia has China, but actually they have BRICS as an alternative to joining the EU, which is Russia and India and China and Brazil and South Africa and more and more countries growing and expanding all the time... compared with the backward looking stagnating contracting western world who needs US approval for everything... and they only approve of things they get a cut from.

Georgia sees another attempt to stir up Euromaidan, by Fyodor Lukyanov, Editor-in-Chief of the magazine "Russia in Global Affairs". 11.29.2024.

The confrontation in Georgia is usually labeled in the categories Russia – West, and indeed, everything converges to this simplified scheme – even beyond the wishes of the participants. But the essence of the conflict is different. Georgia is trying to defend its right to political and ideological neutrality.

There is another attempt to stir up Euromaidan in Georgia. After Prime Minister Kobakhidze announced yesterday a four-year suspension of negotiations on Georgia's accession to the EU, the progressive public has once again gone on the offensive.

The Georgian Dream is behaving insolently; it is hard to remember any other state in the EU orbit that has allowed itself to respond so sharply to attempts at European pressure. Everyone has always made excuses, but in Tbilisi, having tried it, they came to the conclusion that it was pointless. They were right to do so.

Now it is a matter of honour for Europe to destabilize the situation in Georgia, it is already a question of prestige and the viability of the union. The Georgian authorities, accordingly, have the task of preventing this without going too far. Part of the fundamental political myth of modern Georgia is the brutal dispersal of rallies in the spring of 1989, which then inflamed the situation, anticipating even more severe events of the following three years. Incidentally, those events had an electrifying effect beyond Georgia, becoming a milestone in the dismantling of the USSR.

It is remarkable how a small country, not particularly central to the general flow of events, becomes a point of convergence of important impulses.

The confrontation there is usually labeled in the categories of Russia - the West, and indeed, everything converges to this simplified scheme - even beyond the wishes of the participants. But the essence of the collision is different. Georgia is trying to defend its right to political and ideological neutrality, taking into account geopolitical realities, avoiding mandatory accession to opposing blocs, which is fraught with the risk of being sucked into a funnel. This is objectively beneficial for Russia now, the main thing is not to demonstrate it too clearly. And the European Union must push through its own right to mobilize countries interested in cooperation for its wars: if you want to join our club, behave as is customary here. Tbilisi's refusal to negotiate accession is a cancellation of this argument. The EU needs to prove that the government is usurper, and the people want a beautiful garden. The outcome will be indicative.

https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/11/29/1300604.html

Georgia spoke about Brussels' plans to destabilize the country, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD, 11.29.2024.

On December 16, the European Commission planned to deny Georgia the opportunity to begin negotiations on EU membership, thereby causing protest rallies and destabilization in Georgia, the chairman of the parliamentary majority, Mamuka Mdinaradze, said at a press conference, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

"We thus prevented these plans by deciding not to raise the issue of starting negotiations until 2028," he said.

"Our opposition made plans around this date - December 16, wanted to cause riots," the faction leader said. According to Mdinaradze, "the riots would have continued until the New Year."

He suggested that the protest that began the day before would die down, since in reality Georgia does not reject European integration. According to him, if Georgia is now offered to start negotiations on membership in the European Union, it will immediately agree to this.

Mass protests began in Tbilisi yesterday due to the decision of the Georgian authorities, dozens of police officers and demonstrators were injured. A new action is planned for Friday.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/29/1300721.html

Georgian President to Resign, Prime Minister Says, 12.01.2024.

Georgian Prime Minister Kobakhidze: Zurabishvili will have to resign.

TBILISI, December 1 — RIA Novosti. Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili will have to resign despite her refusal, Prime Minister of the Republic Irakli Kobakhidze said at a briefing.
"I understand her emotional situation, but on inauguration day, December 29, she will have to leave her residence and hand over this building to the legitimately elected president," he said.

The head of government also ruled out holding new parliamentary elections, as demanded by the opposition.

The day before, Zurabishvili said that she would not leave her post, despite the end of her term in mid-December. In her opinion, the elected parliament is illegitimate, so it cannot elect a new president.

The presidential elections are scheduled for December 14. Georgia is a republic with a parliamentary form of government, executive power is exercised by the government headed by the prime minister. The head of state is the president, who will be elected for the first time by an electoral college of 300 people.

Parliamentary elections were held in Georgia on October 26. According to the Central Election Commission, the ruling Georgian Dream party received 53.93% of the votes. Four opposition parties also entered parliament, receiving a total of 37.78%. However, their representatives stated that they do not recognize the official results of the vote.

The country's president, Salome Zurabishvili, who is helping the pro-European opposition despite being constitutionally nonpartisan, has called for protests over the election results. The rallies have been going on for weeks.

https://ria.ru/20241201/gruziya-1986719063.html

The standoff in Georgia is approaching a fundamental denouement, by Rafael Fakhrutdinov for VZGLYAD. 12.01.2024.

"Everything is moving towards the fact that the Georgian authorities will have to force Zurabishvili out of the presidential office." These are the words political scientists use to describe the development of the political crisis in Georgia - judging by a number of signs, it is approaching its culmination. For both sides - both the West and the Georgian government - the outcome of this confrontation is of fundamental importance.

Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili will have to leave her post, Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said at a briefing on Sunday. "Of course, Mrs. Salome will have to go out on the street together with her chair," Kobakhidze said. According to him, Zurabishvili will have to hand over her residence to the new legally elected president.

These words were a response to Zurabishvili's statement made the day before. She said that she refuses to leave her post even after her successor is elected . According to her, the parliamentary elections were falsified, which means that the new head of state will be elected by an illegitimate parliament, Sputnik Georgia reports . Zurabishvili also openly supported the protests and unrest in Tbilisi.

Thus, the two parts of the executive power of Georgia – the president and the government – ​​have entered into an open confrontation, which threatens to turn into a violent one. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of the political processes that are taking place in Georgia today. President Zurabishvili represents Georgia’s complete subordination to Western elites, while the current government defends the concept of the country’s state sovereignty.

And key Western players have openly condemned the Georgian government and supported the protests. In particular, the new head of European diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, has done so, condemning the violence against protesters and calling their actions the aspirations of the Georgian people to join the EU. She has condemned the decision of Georgia’s ruling party to suspend its EU accession process. “This will have consequences from the EU side,” she warned.

The United States, in turn, decided to suspend its strategic partnership with Georgia, explaining this by the violation by the Georgian authorities of the basic principles of this agreement.

The election of Georgia's sixth president will take place on December 14, with the inauguration ceremony taking place on December 29, when Zurabishvili's powers will officially end. The president is elected for a five-year term. And although the powers of the president of Georgia are largely ceremonial and decorative, the post itself has both political and symbolic significance. Nevertheless, the main levers of control are in the hands of the government.

Georgia has seen regular street protests and unrest in recent years. In 2021, former President Mikheil Saakashvili was jailed on charges of illegal border crossing, prompting condemnation from the EU. Four days of protests followed.

In 2023, unrest was caused by the draft law on "foreign agents" concerning the transparency of media and NGO funding. Opponents claimed that the adoption of the draft law was a deviation from the pro-Western course. The US, EU and UN attacked Tbilisi with criticism. In the end, the law was adopted. The document was signed by the speaker of the Georgian parliament Shalva Papuashvili, after Zurabishvili refused to do so.

The latest round of protests began on November 28 this year, when the Georgian government announced its refusal to discuss the country's accession to the EU until the end of 2028. In addition, the ruling Georgian Dream - Democratic Georgia party decided to refuse all budget grants from the European Union.

The rallies have escalated into clashes between protesters and law enforcement, with security forces using water cannons and tear gas. Activists are erecting barricades, attacking security forces with homemade flamethrowers made from fireworks, throwing explosive packages, and setting government buildings on fire. There are casualties on both sides.

However, the Georgian authorities have taken an unwavering position: law enforcement officers are not giving up the streets to the protesters, they are vacating buildings, detaining protesters and opening criminal cases. Georgian political scientist Petre Mamradze believes that the Georgian authorities are demonstrating stability.

The expert believes that the opposition's resources are limited, and they are escalating to create the appearance of a mass protest. The analyst noted that the narrow streets of Tbilisi allow for the illusion of a mass protest, even if there are only a few hundred protesters. These images provoke a reaction from Western politicians, who see "the courageous protest of pro-European demonstrators" and ignore acts of vandalism. The expert also pointed out that Zurabishvili could use the current situation to undermine the legitimacy of the parliamentary elections and create an alternative government.

"Zurabishvili has taken a completely unshakable position, and she has no reason to retreat. Her political career is over in any case, and the only chance to continue is to turn into a "leader who opposes Georgian totalitarianism." And for this, bright, spectacular scenes, firmness and all the rest are needed,"
explained Fyodor Lukyanov, Chairman of the Presidium of the Council on Foreign and Defence Policy.

"In general, everything is heading towards the fact that the Georgian authorities will have to force Zurabishvili out of the presidential office or palace. At the same time, Salome and her supporters will try to use this process as much as possible to inflame passions both within Georgia, as much as possible, and - first of all - among external forces in the West, to show "what the former allies have come to," the interlocutor noted.

"However, for now the Georgian authorities are demonstrating an absolutely incredible firmness, which, in my opinion, no one expected from them. Everyone would understand if they behaved much more flexibly, sophisticatedly. But no. The authorities took a principled position. Apparently, Tbilisi believed that the situation in the world is such that those forces that usually become decisive for the success of color revolutions, namely the US and the EU, are now too busy with other issues, and they have no time for Georgia," the political scientist continued.

"In addition, the Georgian authorities are confident that the election results are entirely correct, and there are no grounds for repeat elections. Plus, this coincides with the general aggravation of the entire situation related to the Russian-Western confrontation. And it may turn out that external patrons and like-minded people of the opposition will perceive the situation in Georgia as the most important thing for themselves: "it's not about Georgia, but about the principle," he said.

"And then the question of the Georgian authorities' steadfastness becomes even more important. Here it is already clear that making concessions means capitulating.

So far, everything is developing within the framework of a conditional color revolution, and they have not always ended with the success of the protesters. And the main turning point in this situation could be the shedding of blood as a result of some provocations,” the analyst explained.

"If there is bloodshed and increased violence in Georgia, what is happening will already be moving into the category of "Maidan", which is known to what it led. So now the Georgian authorities are facing a very difficult task. On the one hand, they cannot give in to weakness. And on the other hand, they need to do everything possible to avoid escalation, not to overdo it and not to give reasons for launching a military scenario," Lukyanov summed up.

https://vz.ru/world/2024/12/1/1301004.html

The west causing bloodshed... if they don't get their way in Georgia they will try a Maidan type insurrection... which will get a lot of people killed but the EU does not care about Georgian blood... like they don't care about Ukrainian blood or Finnish blood for that matter.

If the EU does get its way... even if they get it in a bloodless coup... they will demand Georgia attacks Russian forces in South Ossetia and Abkhazia and that will start a conflict in which even more Georgians are going to die.

If only the people receiving lots of money from the west to do all this bullshit simply said thanks for the money but I am not doing it... screw you.

So many Georgian lives could be saved...

Some news from Georgia.

What a dick. Thanks AlphaT8 for making me watch the first few minutes of that faggots wankoff.

He is anti Russia but he is also anti west because the west didn't give the Ukraine enough weapons and ammo and money to win against Russia, so Georgia dream won in Georiga because they told the georgian people if you are pro west the west will drop us in the shit like they did with the Ukrainians.

Pussy. If he is so upset why doesn't he do what the EU told the Georigan government to do... put a uniform on and get over to Kiev and fight those Rooskies yourself instead of wasting peoples time on the interweb...

Zelensky has publicly stated that the dead Ukrainians have won... I am not joking... he said that... so anti Russian fuckwits... everywhere... that is what victory looks like... enjoy.

Would recommend not bothering to watch this homo who clearly wants his country to have another war with Russia... 200 billion and ten years of training and support was not enough for Ukraine so of course Georgia is going to really scare the Russians... go ahead... put that fork into the wall socket.... I double dare you.

Bang... not going to do that again are you?

It seems there is a queue of fuckwit countries who want to put the fork in the wall socket... so let them do it...

America Gave Georgia an Invaluable Lesson in Democracy, by David Narmania for RiaNovosti. 12.03.2024.

Nothing happened in the White House on Monday night. Or rather, nothing out of the ordinary happened. Just a lame duck — in this case, it’s a pretty apt, if optimistic, description of the outgoing US president — Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter. The latter was charged with nine crimes, including violating the conditions for acquiring and storing weapons and tax evasion.

When Donald Trump was in the dock , Biden commented on his case in the best tradition of Jason Statham quotes: "No one is above the law."

When asked about the possibility of pardoning his son, he categorically rejected it and claimed that he would accept any decision of the jury.

This position of the American leader, who is still still in power, was repeatedly confirmed by the White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre , even before the elections, just a month ago.

But now it's time to gradually prepare for eviction from the Oval Office, and Joe Biden has ignored all these statements by pardoning his son Hunter. "I hope the American people will understand why the father and the president came to this decision," he explained his actions.

Moreover, he called the verdict against his Hunter a miscarriage of justice and stated that his case was perceived with bias precisely because he is his son.

In other words, the US president literally interfered with the work of an independent court, and simply crossed out the decision of a separate branch of government. And not of any specific judge, but of the jury.

And he issued not just a pardon, but a full indulgence for the period from January 1, 2014 to December 31, 2024. It is noteworthy that the offenses that Hunter was accused of occurred mainly from 2015 to 2018. But in March 2014, he was appointed to the board of directors of the Ukrainian company Burisma, in whose interests Biden Sr. blackmailed the new Ukrainian government at that time and achieved the resignation of the prosecutor general. Moreover, the mainstream American media tried for a long time to wash the Biden family from this story, calling all the accusations conspiracy theories. And now, of course, completely by chance, Hunter Biden is simply not subject to prosecution in this regard. Well, that's how it happened. Coincidences happen.

In general, nothing out of the ordinary really happened in the White House on Monday night. The president of the most important democracy in the world simply admitted to lying, raped the judicial system of his own country and wiped his feet on the jury and ordinary Americans who, for example, are serving sentences for storming this very White House, but do not have such influential parents. So what? He is not the first, he will not be the last.

But on the same Monday night, and at about the same time, something out of the ordinary happened on the streets of Tbilisi . There, protesters against the current government, outraged by the rejection of the course towards European integration, steadfastly withstood the pressure of water cannons, staged clashes with the police and threw Molotov cocktails at them, threw stones at the parliament, and specially trained guys skillfully dealt with smoke grenades that the police used.

Photos and videos of the violent confrontation on Telegram were interspersed with romantic videos of young Georgian women, wrapped in flags and under a downpour from water cannons, calling for people to hold on to the barricades. In neighboring channels, all on Telegram, materials of a slightly different nature were published in parallel, but viewing them would not have hurt the young protesters in Tbilisi either.

Already in these shots one could see exploding shells and burning armored vehicles, pieces of human flesh torn by shrapnel and decomposing bodies. And all this was happening on the territory of a country where ten years ago on the barricades stood no less young, bright and to the same extent sung by the Western media Ukrainian women. Who were also told fairy tales about freedom, independence and equality that awaited their country if the revolution won.

And now the same people who told these tales back then are demanding that Ukrainians lower the mobilization age to 18 years.

And the events in Tbilisi fall under the definition of "out of the ordinary" not because of what happened on the streets of the Georgian capital. We have seen our fill of colour revolutions over the past two decades, and even more attempts to organize them.

Another thing is surprising. At one time, the Indians gave their untold riches to the Europeans in exchange for beads. The Georgian protesters have gone even further in terms of "beadification" and want to exchange the future of their country for fairy tales.

On the tales of liberal democracy, which the West has completely discredited. The US and Europe have done everything to devalue the concepts of freedom, sovereignty and justice. They have appointed themselves judges who determine who is democratic and who is not. The criterion, as a rule, is one - the willingness to blindly follow the will of the masters from Washington , London and other European capitals. And freedom has nothing to do with it. It is enough to remember that it was the West that organized the most high-profile persecutions for the truth. In the same way, it was the West that interfered in the affairs of other states when it considered it necessary. Libyans, Iraqis and Serbs - the list can go on - will not let you lie. Well, there is no one who can tell a more colorful story about justice than the already mentioned Joe Biden. That is why we started with him.

Now, amid cries of "Russian interference," Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili is calling for schoolchildren to be sent to protest. The 72-year-old woman simply doesn't feel sorry for them - the revolution needs victims. So she is ready to send children to the slaughter.

But when she talks about Russian interference, we must remember that she came to Georgia at the age of fifty. Before that, she worked quietly in the French Foreign Ministry. But the victory of liberal democracy turned a mediocre French diplomat into a full-fledged Georgian president. A president who wholeheartedly cares for the freedom of his people.

Freedom to die for the interests of its true owners. Ukrainians will not let you lie. And the West will dispose of the rest of the freedom as it sees fit. The people there are experienced, they are not new to this.

And the willingness to step on the same rake that is already familiar to the whole world once again - that is truly "out of the ordinary".

https://ria.ru/20241203/khanter-1987006356.html

Garry wrote: What a dick. Thanks AlphaT8 for making me watch the first few minutes of that faggots wankoff.

Guy is apparantly geogian, so i thought, why not.

I'm not one for nightlife too much but Georgia these days does look tempting

Up to a third of protesters were foreigners, Georgian Dream said, 12.03.2024.

Georgian Dream Representative: About 30% of Protesters Were Foreigners.

TBILISI, December 3 — RIA Novosti. About a third of the participants in opposition protests in Georgia were foreigners, including Russians, said Mamuka Mdinaradze, executive secretary of the ruling Georgian Dream party.

"About 30 percent of the identified persons at the rallies in Tbilisi are foreigners. How is this possible, what is happening? Up to 30 percent. And most of them are Russian citizens," the speaker said.

The latest round of opposition protests began in Georgia on November 28, after Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze announced the postponement of the start of negotiations on Georgia's accession to the EU until 2028.

The protesters threw stones, bottles, and firecrackers at the parliament building, and on the night of December 1, they set it on fire. The police dispersed them several times using water cannons and tear gas, but every evening the activists gathered for a new rally.

According to the Georgian Interior Ministry, over the course of several days, police detained more than 200 participants in the riots. Over 110 law enforcement officers were injured during the protests.

Mass protests have been going on in Georgia for over a month, starting after the parliamentary elections on October 26. The Georgian Dream party won. Four opposition parties also entered parliament, but they said they would not recognize the election results and called on their supporters to take part in rallies. President Salome Zurabishvili , who is helping the pro-European opposition (although the constitution requires the president to be non-partisan), also called for demonstrations.

https://ria.ru/20241203/gruzija-1987144979.html