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    Georgia's possible rapprochement with Russia.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:57 am

    Tbilisi Accuses US of "Pharisaism", by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 07.15.2024.

    Former Georgian State Minister for Conflict Resolution, film director Giorgi Khaindrava accused the United States of “hypocrisy” towards his country, reports a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi.

    "For years, US officials have been conducting hypocritical propaganda about how America is our main friend and partner and has spent 6 billion dollars here over thirty years. First of all, there was no 6 billion, in reality we are talking about 4 billion. But the most important thing is that the US spent 90% of this amount on cultivating its agents in Georgia, bringing them to power and supporting them," Khaindrava noted in an open letter published in local media on Monday.

    According to him, “at the same time, a significant portion of dollars was allocated to the so-called ‘civil society’, that is, mainly for the formation of the residency.”

    This is precisely why, according to Giorgi Khaindrava, the Georgian law “On the transparency of foreign influence” has provoked a sharp critical reaction from the West, as it has created a danger of “financing spy networks in the key country of the region – Georgia.”

    He notes that Western representatives, with their criticism of Georgia, “openly and brazenly interfere in the country’s national affairs, speak in the language of crude threats and allow themselves to instruct the people of Georgia from a position of authority.”

    "For decades we have been hearing American propaganda based on lies about how Georgia's older brother behaves selflessly towards us. Unfortunately, many of our citizens have gotten lost in this fog of neoliberal lies," writes Giorgi Khaindrava.

    Commenting on the US refusal to conduct military exercises in Georgia, planned for the end of July – beginning of August, the former Minister of State emphasizes that “neither America nor NATO prepared the Georgian army to protect the country’s territorial integrity and its security.”

    “The Georgian army was prepared only to be used for their own expansionist purposes or to ensure their own security,” said Giorgi Khaindrava.

    He claims that the West's plans included Georgia opening a "second front" against Russia, but when the country's authorities refused to use the Georgian army as "cannon fodder," the West "went crazy" from "disobedience."

    The former state minister emphasizes that “in reality, no one is going to accept Georgia into NATO or the European Union.”

    "They need us to achieve their own global goals, which is clearly evident in the example of Ukraine, where the gene pool has been destroyed, the economy has been ruined. 25 percent of the territory has been lost there, and 60 percent of the population has either fled abroad or migrated within the country," the author of the open letter notes.

    According to him, given that Ukraine “has neither the strength nor the necessary human resources, it is not given the right to stop military actions.”

    “They are no longer embarrassed to openly call for fighting to the last Ukrainian!” writes Khaindrava.

    Following the assassination attempt on former US President Donald Trump, Georgian Dream MP Irakli Zarkua said that America under its current government can no longer be considered a “beacon of democracy.”

    Earlier, Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said that Georgia is “optimistic” about improving relations with the United States, but expects to hear “concrete arguments” regarding Washington’s claims against it.

    The prime minister said Georgia expects "significant changes" in terms of improving relations with the United States early next year.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/7/15/1277579.html

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:48 am

    US and NATzO "NGOs" follow the same racket that military contractors do. The money the US spends on its infiltration, subversion and control operations in countries like
    Georgia returns home to the USA. As with Ukria and the tens of billions of dollars supposedly it received for its war against Russia, Ukria has not seen even 10% of this amount.
    The money is going to US companies to buy replacements for junk military hardware and munitions being sent over.

    It really does not take a huge amount of money to buy people off. Suppose you gave one million dollars to a 1,000 individuals. That is only a billion dollars. But that is
    a lot of money for these individuals and 1000 such stooges is a lot of critical manpower if they occupy the right positions. Regime change and colour revolutions are cheap.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 15, 2024 6:52 pm

    Georgian president files suit with Constitutional Court against foreign agents law, 07.15.2024.

    According to president’s parliamentary secretary Georgy Mskhiladze, the head of state challenges a range of the law’s norms and articles as they contradict Article 78 of the Georgian constitution.

    TBILISI, July 15. /TASS/. Georgian President Salome Zourabichvili has lodged a suit with the country’s Constitutional Court against the foreign agents law, the president’s parliamentary secretary, Georgy Mskhiladze, said.

    "The Georgian president has for the first time filed a suit with the Constitutional Court. The suit challenges the law on the transparency of foreign influence, the so-called Russian law. This law runs counter to the country’s constitution," he told a briefing.

    According to Mskhiladze, the president challenges a range of the law’s norms and articles as they contradict Article 78 of the Georgian constitution, which says that all power branches must spare no effort within their competences towards Georgia’s integration into the European Union and NATO. The country’s parliament will be the defendant before the court.

    The Georgian legislature passed a bill On Transparency of Foreign Influence, also known as the foreign agent bill, in the third reading on May 14. President Salome Zourabichvili vetoed the law on May 18, but parliament overrode her veto on May 28.

    Non-governmental organizations warned that they would not register if the law is passed because they object to the idea of branding themselves as organizations advocating interests of a foreign force. The ruling party however insists that this is a right definition if these organizations are financed from abroad that the only thing required from them is financial transparency.

    The law applies to non-government organizations and mass media outlets that receive more than of 20% of funding from abroad. They will be obliged to submit their tax returns to the justice ministry in January each year. Otherwise, they will be fined 25,000 lari (over $9,100). If the income declaration is not filed after the fine is levied, they will have to pay 20,000 lari (over $7,300) for each day of the delay.

    https://tass.com/world/1817083

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:29 pm

    What a pathetic little country. Who the hell would add something like that to their own Constitution. Making themselves subordinate to a club they are not even a part of.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:32 pm

    lancelot wrote:What a pathetic little country. Who the hell would add something like that to their own Constitution. Making themselves subordinate to a club they are not even a part of.
    if they have the absolute majority they can change the constitution.

    The president should also be shoot because of High treason.

    She forgets that she is not anymore there under diplomatic cover as a french ambassador.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 15, 2024 7:35 pm

    Comprador vermin is worst vermin.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:48 am

    Hahahaha... they continue to fight tooth and nail to stop this... see the traitors to the country expose themselves trying to stop this...

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:25 am

    I wonder what pro Russian Georgia's relationship with Abkhazia and South Ossetia is going to be?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:47 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I wonder what pro Russian Georgia's relationship with Abkhazia and South Ossetia is going to be?

    Acceptance, and then moving on.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 16, 2024 10:51 am

    They should learn from Pussynian in Armenia. When you whore for NATzO, you surrender territory with a smile. But you just know with these limitrophe stooges that
    they will be making a smell when it comes to Russia. They will probably push for Russia to throw South Ossetia under the bus as an olive branch. Russia should tell
    them to go suck Uncle Swineshit's cock harder.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:51 pm

    kvs wrote:They should learn from Pussynian in Armenia.  When you whore for NATzO, you surrender territory with a smile.   But you just know with these limitrophe stooges that
    they will be making a smell when it comes to Russia.   They will probably push for Russia to throw South Ossetia under the bus as an olive branch.   Russia should tell
    them to go suck Uncle Swineshit's cock harder.


    I do not know, maybe there would be a compromise in the future like a joint administration of the two regions between Russia and Georgia and allowing the ethnic Georgians to return there.
    Before the wars in the 1990s ethnic georgians were more than half of the population.

    Even Lavrenti Beria, Stalin right hand man (an ethnic Georgian (Mingrellian)) was a native of Abkhazia

    They could make it as requirement from Russia to have Georgia renounce officially any attempt to join anti Russian military or political alliances and throw away all American NGOs and laboratories and limit US diplomatic presence to the minimum needed to run the embassy with extra tolerance for foreign agents, then guarantee I'm the constitution a permanent presence of russian military bases in the regions.

    Then they could formalise in Abkhazia as official languages Russian and Georgian and Abkhazian and Mingrellian as recognised regional languages, and do the same in South Ossetia/samachablo (Russian, Georgian and Ossetian).

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:34 pm

    Founder of Georgian Dream: Conflict in Ukraine Will Last Another Year at Most, 07.16.2024.

    The Ukrainian conflict could end as early as January if the Republicans win the US presidential election, believes Bidzina Ivanishvili, founder of the ruling Georgian Dream – Democratic Georgia party.


    “The war that is going on in Ukraine will end no later than in a year, and if the Republicans win the American presidential elections, the war could end as early as January,” the politician, quoted by TASS, said at the opening of the party’s election campaign.

    Ivanishvili previously noted that supporters of the global war party are using Georgia and Ukraine as cannon fodder against Russia.

    https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1342314-boi-na-ukraine-ivanishvili

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 17, 2024 3:11 am

    I wonder what pro Russian Georgia's relationship with Abkhazia and South Ossetia is going to be?

    If relations improve I rather suspect South Ossetias best move is to have a quick referendum and vote to join the Russian Federation, and then Russian law would prevent any Russian leader giving them away to another country.

    Before the wars in the 1990s ethnic georgians were more than half of the population.

    Which offers an opportunity for them to take back the land the same way the Albanians took Kosovo, but they are interested in the land and not the people who they would prefer are not there.

    Very much like the current situation in Israel where Israel wants the land to be empty of Palestinians so they can build more settlements and put Israelis there instead.

    But don't call it genocide...

    I do not know, maybe there would be a compromise in the future like a joint administration of the two regions between Russia and Georgia and allowing the ethnic Georgians to return there.
    Before the wars in the 1990s ethnic georgians were more than half of the population.

    Even Lavrenti Beria, Stalin right hand man (an ethnic Georgian (Mingrellian)) was a native of Abkhazia

    They could make it as requirement from Russia to have Georgia renounce officially any attempt to join anti Russian military or political alliances and throw away all American NGOs and laboratories and limit US diplomatic presence to the minimum needed to run the embassy with extra tolerance for foreign agents, then guarantee I'm the constitution a permanent presence of russian military bases in the regions.

    Then they could formalise in Abkhazia as official languages Russian and Georgian and Abkhazian and Mingrellian as recognised regional languages, and do the same in South Ossetia/samachablo (Russian, Georgian and Ossetian).

    The only issue I have with that is that this would make Georgia happy, but what exactly is South Ossetia and Abkhazia getting out of this future deal?

    Perhaps they would prefer to remain separate from the Georgians who tried on multiple occasions to kill them and steal their land. They might even want to join the Russian Federation as protection from a dangerous neighbour... you know... the way the Baltic States and Finland and Sweden and the Ukraine and Georgia all wanted to join HATO as protection from Russia?

    Turns out HATO has been more damaging to their economies and in the case of the Ukraine devastating to their gene pool... and you could say they are no safer... in fact a neutral Sweden and a neutral Finland and a neutral Georgia would be just fine really... except now they have targets painted on them, with their own hands.

    Georgia should not expect to get any territory back and should not expect ethnic Georgians to be allowed to return home any time soon... if they don't understand let them talk to the Serbs about their churches and people destroyed and kicked out of Kosovo respectively... I am sure they will understand... and share some feelings.

    Should point out that I don't think those situations are the same at all, but that is for a different thread.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:07 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Georgia should not expect to get any territory back and should not expect ethnic Georgians to be allowed to return home any time soon... if they don't understand let them talk to the Serbs about their churches and people destroyed and kicked out of Kosovo respectively... I am sure they will understand... and share some feelings.

    Should point out that I don't think those situations are the same at all, but that is for a different thread.

    Kosovo should be back into Serbia, and that is what will happen as soon as NATO will gtfo Europe.

    Concerning "stealing" their land it is not exactly that. Furthermore Abkhazian committed also a lot of athrocities during the war in the 90s.

    Russia did not annex yet the two regions probably for avoiding further issues. They are not and were not inhabited by ethnic Russians (except maybe in homeopathic percentages). During the wars in the 90s all sides made stupid mistakes (including Russia). I do not doubt that most probably there was some interference from US in order to destroy Russian-Georgian relationships for at least 2 generations, and possibly more.

    The issue is that most Georgians believe all stupid lies from EU and US and one side they speak about independence and sovereignty, and on the other side they are ready to throw them away begging to become a puppet of Brussels and Washington.

    So, Russia could probably annex the 2 regions, but then the US and EU will have an excuse to send even more lives to their death against Russia.

    And the situation will not resolve until either 1)EU/US are dissolved, 2)Russia is defeated and dissolved in many statelets (dream of many US and EU politicians) 3) Georgia has been completely destroyed.

    However even option 3 will not mean good outcomes for Russia.

    The best at the moment is to wait until the Ukrainian issue is solved, wait for the EU to collapse and then find a compromise in the Caucasus (possibly at that time most agitators, foreign agents and NGOs will have also left Georgia).

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:24 am

    We see Georgian issue with a perspective of 080808, while it was much more complicated.
    Russia has not recognized Abchazia and SO for two decades for a reason.
    Sure, some consider the reason to be having a boiling pot out there, but let's be serious.
    The potential leverage of Russia versus Georgia makes the "boiling pot" argument irrelevant.
    It is only being used as an example of "ebil Russkie", like almost anything out there.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:35 am

    Tbilisi Expresses Gratitude to Europe for Georgia's Refusal to Impose Sanctions on Russia, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 07.19.2024.

    European politicians who sought bilateral sanctions against Russia from Georgia are now thanking it for refusing to do so, said the Chairman of Parliament Shalva Papuashvili in an interview with the Imedi TV company, reports a correspondent for the Vzglyad newspaper in Tbilisi.

    "Many (European politicians) thanked us, saying we did the right thing by not listening to them," he said. "One senior official admitted that they initially wanted us to impose sanctions, but then they stopped."

    "We did not succumb to agitation and a superficial approach. We hope for a quick peace in Ukraine, taking into account its interests and on its terms, and after that this unrest (in relation to Georgia) will subside," the head of Georgia's highest legislative body noted.

    "Then everyone will understand what Georgia did, including for the European Union. We preserved peace not only for us, but also for Europe," said Shalva Papuashvili.

    According to him, Georgia's opening of a "second front" against Russia would block the transportation of goods between Europe and Asia along the only and shortest route.

    "That is why we believe that the EU should protect us from troubles with its teeth. It is the EU that is primarily unhappy with the destabilization in Georgia," the parliament speaker said.

    Commenting on the regular criticism of Georgia by Western politicians, Shalva Papuashvili said that they “do not have an ounce of legitimacy to speak on behalf of the Georgian people.”

    “They think that after eating 20 khinkali and two khachapuri in Georgia, they have figured us out and can speak on behalf of Georgia,” Papuashvili said, expressing hope that after the parliamentary elections on October 26 and the convincing victory of the Georgian Dream, Western actors will no longer allow themselves to behave in this way.

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    Post  kvs Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:15 am

    Russia needs to offer Abkhazia and South Ossetia membership based on referendums. In the case of South Ossetia it should be automatic since it
    is one land and one people with North Ossetia. Georgia can lump it. It blew its chance in the 1990s with nazionalist abuses by Ghamsakurdia.
    Don't associate Russia with such "mistakes". There is no similarity.

    Walking around on egg shells worried about perceptions in NATzO and Georgia is not going to secure Russia.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:20 am

    kvs wrote:Russia needs to offer Abkhazia and South Ossetia membership based on referendums.   In the case of South Ossetia it should be automatic since it
    is one land and one people with North Ossetia.   Georgia can lump it.   It blew its chance in the 1990s with nazionalist abuses by Ghamsakurdia.  
    Don't associate Russia with such "mistakes".   There is no similarity.  

    Walking around on egg shells worried about perceptions in NATzO and Georgia is not going to secure Russia.  

    I do not agree. With the same reasoning Russia should never get back Kiev, Odessa, Belarus and norther Kazakhstan, because Eltsin and Gorbachev were icking fudiots.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:57 am

    Kosovo should be back into Serbia, and that is what will happen as soon as NATO will gtfo Europe.

    Totally agree, they have a UNSC resolution stating it is Serbian territory... 1244 or something.

    But I can't see it happening... the hate for serbia was not from the US, I think it came from other parts of Europe and the US just used it to get a nice big military base in that part of Europe.

    There would need to be another war and who knows which countries in the region will join in, but I can't see many helping Serbia.

    Concerning "stealing" their land it is not exactly that. Furthermore Abkhazian committed also a lot of athrocities during the war in the 90s.

    There are no good guys in war... I would never attack someone, but if someone did attack me and I feared for my life I wont be playing games... there is nothing off limits as far as I am concerned.

    Do you think the west committed no war crimes ever?

    And they call themselves the good guys.

    Russia did not annex yet the two regions probably for avoiding further issues.

    Oh please.... put down the cool aide... when did Russia Annex anything?

    Crimea had a referendum and so did the four other Ukrainian regions and they decided to join the Russian Federation.

    Did HATO annex Finland and Sweden? At least in the above case the people had a vote... the people of Sweden and Finland were given no such courtesy.

    Russia does not annex, those Ukrainian regions... after 8 years of being bombed and a year of full scale war decided they didn't want to be Ukrainian any more.

    If it looks like Georgia is going to be allowed to return its citizens to these regions they might decide to have a referendum to join the Russian Federation before all of a sudden their vote does not count any more and those regions want to join Albania... sorry, Georgia.

    The displaced people will likely bring friends and family for support and all of a sudden they can take control of these regions simply via the ballot box.

    Vote in a pro US leadership and the rest is history... ask Armenia... and why didn't Russia save them?

    They are not and were not inhabited by ethnic Russians (except maybe in homeopathic percentages).

    They lived in the country called Russia, which then became the Soviet Union and has now reverted to being Russia again.

    Americans who are not ethnically native americans should not be allowed to remain or call themselves american?

    They are European or some other ethnicity...

    I do not doubt that most probably there was some interference from US in order to destroy Russian-Georgian relationships for at least 2 generations, and possibly more.

    You don't need to go back very far in any countries history to see things they wont be proud of.

    It is not about the past, it is about now and about the future.

    The issue is that most Georgians believe all stupid lies from EU and US and one side they speak about independence and sovereignty, and on the other side they are ready to throw them away begging to become a puppet of Brussels and Washington.

    Some people will believe the most ridiculous things if it suits them... be good and you go to heaven for eternity... 80-100 years of misery and pain for eternal bliss... sounds like a great deal, and the real question is... is it worth it? If it helps you get through those years of pain and misery then it helps you get through. Does it matter when you reach the end you find it is all bollocks and you die like everyone else and there is no afterlife?

    So, Russia could probably annex the 2 regions, but then the US and EU will have an excuse to send even more lives to their death against Russia.

    First of all annexation does not come in to it. The US and EU put sanctions on Russia when the Crimea joined the Russian Federation... and to be honest that has been the best thing for Russia and Russians. The vampire has removed its claws and teeth from the victim because the vampire thinks it is the victim and the victim is the monster that is surviving on it.

    Relations and ties might improve with Russia, but Georgia is going to have to work rather hard to improve ties with these two regions... it is not for Russia to take those two regions or give them away, it is for Georgia to make amends with these two regions, and making amends with Russia would be a good start.

    Georgias behaviour to Russia has been very hostile and Georgia has invited the US into its country. Georgia is entitled to do that of course, but Russia is entitled to respond by cutting ties and turning its back on the Georgian market of goods who probably want to sell to the Russian market to make money.

    And the situation will not resolve until either 1)EU/US are dissolved, 2)Russia is defeated and dissolved in many statelets (dream of many US and EU politicians) 3) Georgia has been completely destroyed.

    Or option four, Georgia remains buddies with the west and the two regions remain separate and the west and Russia continue... which I think is the most likely.

    Of course option five where Georgia wakes up and realises the west can't help them get these regions back and will only try to use them as a battering ram to damage Russia and so they grow some balls and decide to ditch relations with the west and improve relations with Russia... which at the very least will improve their economic position and future and save a lot of money on otherwise useless weapon purchases from the US and EU.

    However even option 3 will not mean good outcomes for Russia.

    Russia never wanted Georgia destroyed... if that was the goal Russian troops could have marched on Tiblisi in 2008 and did to the tie man what the US eventually did to Saddam.

    The best at the moment is to wait until the Ukrainian issue is solved, wait for the EU to collapse and then find a compromise in the Caucasus (possibly at that time most agitators, foreign agents and NGOs will have also left Georgia).

    Is that an option? The US and the west are not going to give up and are already infiltrating Armenia... The government in Georgia might find itself in the same position to Yanukovich and be in the process of making deals with Russia to improve relations and the situation in their own country and the west funds a coup and turns their future to shit, condemning enormous numbers of people to the grave and many more to suffering... and for what... because the Ukraine has lithium in the volumes the Europeans want to get independence from China and other sources. Does Georgia have lithium?


    “They think that after eating 20 khinkali and two khachapuri in Georgia, they have figured us out and can speak on behalf of Georgia,” Papuashvili said, expressing hope that after the parliamentary elections on October 26 and the convincing victory of the Georgian Dream, Western actors will no longer allow themselves to behave in this way.

    The innocence of these Georgians is amusing... these European politicians are bought and they people who own them make money from war. These Europeans couldn't give a shit about Georgians and would be happy to supply flak jackets and ammo for Georgias youngest and brightest to line up and fight Russia... but there is no chance to attack Russia proper... the Roki tunnel could be turned into a horrible trap if Georgian forces ever reached its entrance... and of course they wont.

    They will be fighting South Ossetian and Abkhazian force, and of course a few Chechens with memories of what Georgians did for their conflicts... but now perhaps there might be a few volunteers from new Russian regions in the former Ukraine who might want some payback over Georgian snipers at maidan... not to mention georgian forces in ukraine will want to go home and fight there instead...

    I do not agree. With the same reasoning Russia should never get back Kiev, Odessa, Belarus and norther Kazakhstan, because Eltsin and Gorbachev were icking fudiots.

    What should or should not happen is different for different countries... the US of A for instance can do no wrong even when they flit from invasion to coup to undermining democracy in every country they operate in including their own.

    Russia is going to get cities and territories that vote to join the Russian Federation... this is about protecting people and not a land grab.

    Before those four regions in Ukraine voted to join the Russian Federation, the Russian peace plan in Istanbul outlined the process of those regions becoming autonomous regions under the rule of Kiev. I am sure that is what sparked the referendum in all four regions and why the result was the way it was, but after they made that decision and after the Russian Federation accepted their application to join, Putin is now obligated to defend that territory by Russian law so there wont be any pieces given up to make peace. It is RF territory and it will be secured, which involves currently removing enemy military forces from that territory and creating a safe zone 300km wide where enemy forces cannot set up vehicles to launch long range missiles at Russian territory.

    To achieve that might be tricky because as that region is secured from Kievs forces they might have a referendum and decide to join the RF too, which would require a further 300km buffer zone to be extended beyond their legal borders... of course until they reach an international border and then any ATACMS launched from such places becomes an act of war where the solution can be brutal because Russia does not care about their civilians.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:14 pm

    Georgia begins questioning mercenaries who took part in military actions in Ukraine, by Olga Ivanova for VZGLYAD. 07.21.2024.

    The State Security Service (SSS) of Georgia is questioning citizens who returned from Ukraine after participating in military operations, the Mtavari Arkhi television company reports.

    According to the television company, the State Security Service has summoned two more Georgian soldiers who participated in the conflict on the Ukrainian side for questioning. It is specified that the questioning will be conducted in connection with the case of an "attempted coup d'etat" and will be conducted in the presence of a magistrate judge in the Tbilisi City Court, RIA Novosti reports .

    According to the television company, another mercenary who participated in the conflict in Ukraine was also recently interviewed.

    Earlier, the Georgian State Security Service announced that a coup was being prepared with the involvement of mercenaries fighting in Ukraine.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/7/21/1278537.html

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    Post  Broski Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:09 pm

    Kiko wrote:Georgia begins questioning mercenaries who took part in military actions in Ukraine
    Questioning? They should be jailed immediately before they enact Maiden 2.0 in Tbilisi. Those people are a much bigger threat to Georgia than Russia ever was or will be.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:42 am

    Russia has not recognized Abchazia and SO for two decades for a reason.

    My understanding was a big reason for Georgia to actually attempt to invade South Ossetia was because Russia had recognised both regions as independent.

    The peace agreement had required Russia to essentially close its borders to the two regions so they would have to continue to interact with Georgia and essentially be dependent on Georgia, but the 2008 declaration by Kosovo of independence from Serbia led to the Russians responding by recognising the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The fear in Tiblisi that both regions will become more independent because they could then open up trade with Russia and not deal with Georgia or be dependent on Georgia led to the invasion attempt which the Russian forces crushed.

    If anything the conflict can largely be blamed on the west and its behaviour over Kosovo.

    There has been talk of referendums in both regions regarding joining the Russian Federation and each time they have received support from Russian officials, but each time something has happened and the referendums have been deferred.

    If Georgia improves relations with Russia and starts talking about sending Georgian nationals home I would say these two regions would fast track those referendums before they get outnumbered and out voted.

    Note this passage from wiki  (yeah, I know... not normally a good source of information).

    Russia's recognition

    President Medvedev announcing that he has signed decrees recognising the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia (in Russian). Transcript in English.

    After hearing the aforementioned appeals from both the Abkhazian and South Ossetian leadership, on 25 August 2008, the Federation Council and State Duma passed motions calling upon President Dmitry Medvedev to recognise the independence of both states and establish diplomatic relations. On 26 August 2008, President Medvedev signed decrees recognising the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as sovereign states,[13]

    In the UN Security Council, the United States was heavily critical of Russian support of the secessionist governments, accusing the government of violating Georgia's territorial integrity. In response, Vitaly Churkin, the Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, attacked the U.S. claim to moral high ground by recalling its invasion of Iraq in 2003.[14] Others accused the United States of hypocrisy, citing its support of the violation of Serbian territorial integrity when it recognised the independence of Kosovo in 2008.[15]

    source:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Abkhazia_and_South_Ossetia

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 22, 2024 8:38 pm

    Both are offcially recognized. Links to kremlin.ru site:

    http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/27958
    http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/27957

    Not only that, but population could also obtain Russian passport very easily, which most of them did. As far as Russia, this thing is settled.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 23, 2024 3:58 am

    And yet it is still in Georgias interests to have good relations with Russia because the income they get from selling their products on the Russian market will be rather better than anything they could make in the stagnant western economies of the countries wanting to use them as a battering ram against Russia.

    They don't even have to be pro Russia, they could just decide to be neutral, and be actually neutral and I am sure Russian people will trade with them, which is Georgias economic future... as opposed to being an army and air force base for the US and HATO... but without HATO membership.

    You get to send your men to third world shitholes and die for the west but no official recognition... I seem to remember the US didn't even help their allies get out of Afghanistan and Georgians and Ukrainians got out on Russian aircraft in the end.

    Friends like that Georgia does not need... but the people making the decisions are accepting the bribes so who cares what the Georgian people think.

    All the so called protests over the Russian law shows rent a crowds are easy to buy and use to get your way...

    I am sure the American bio weapons labs in Georgia are only helping humanity... like the one in China that created and released Covid.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:42 am

    Georgians who fought in Ukraine became defendants in a case of preparing a terrorist attack, 07.23.2024.

    Georgians who fought in Ukraine were interrogated in the case of the terrorist attack against Ivanishvili.

    Georgian special services are investigating a case of preparation of a terrorist attack against the founder of the Georgian Dream party, billionaire and influential politician Bidzina Ivanishvili. This became known after the interrogation of Gela Kakhabrishvili, a citizen of Georgia who took part in the conflict in Ukraine, a lawyer told about the investigators' questions to him, Imedi reports .

    "It turns out that a terrorist act is being planned in Georgia, with the help of which the government is to be overthrown. Perhaps there was information, a statement, to which law enforcement agencies should respond accordingly. I welcome this, they should conduct a full investigation," said lawyer Mikhail Ramishvili.

    Bidzina Ivanishvili, 68 (also known as Boris in Russia), made his fortune in Russia in the 1990s, according to Forbes and Bloomberg . Among them were the Stoilensky and Mikhailovsky mining and processing plants in the Belgorod and Kursk regions, the Russian Credit bank, the Stoilenskaya Niva agro-industrial company, and the Doctor Stoletov pharmacy chain. In 2003, he began selling his assets, and the businessman got rid of the last of them in 2012. Bloomberg estimates his fortune at $7.3 billion.

    After the Georgian Dream won the 2012 elections, where its main competitors were supporters of Mikheil Saakashvili, Ivanishvili became the Prime Minister of Georgia, but left his post a year later.

    At the end of 2023, the billionaire announced that he would return to political activity. The next parliamentary elections are scheduled for this year in Georgia.

    Earlier, Lasha Chigladze, who also participated in the military actions on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, was summoned for questioning in the case of preparing a coup d'état in Georgia . Sputnik Georgia wrote that another participant in the conflict, Nadym Khmaladze, was summoned for questioning by the State Security Service of Georgia, but it is not yet known whether he is connected with the same criminal case.

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/23/07/2024/669f65719a794747d51f91cb

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