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    Georgia's possible rapprochement with Russia.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:53 pm

    Georgian Prime Minister says goal is “not to reach the state of Ukraine”, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.04.2024.

    Preventing Georgia from falling into the same situation as Ukraine is the main task of the Georgian government, Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said at a press conference, reports a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi.

    Kobakhidze noted that, in contrast to the messages about his country, the West “sends positive messages about Ukraine, but everyone sees the state of this country, which is friendly to us.”

    “The main thing for us is to protect our national interests so that we do not end up in the same situation as friendly Ukraine,” said the head of the Georgian government.

    “Our task is not to reach such a state,” stressed Irakli Kobakhidze.

    Commenting on the US State Department's criticism of the Foreign Influence Transparency Act, the Georgian Prime Minister noted that this American institution is under the "serious influence of the global war party."

    He expressed hope that "this influence will weaken next year."

    The Prime Minister also stated that Georgia was unable to determine which specific frozen $95 million in aid the US State Department was talking about.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/4/1285378.html

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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:49 pm

    Just like in Venezuela: it's becoming fashionable, following State Department's moves:

    Georgian Prime Minister says opposition is preparing provocations in the country after elections, 09.04.2024.

    Prime Minister Kobakhidze: The opposition will not win and will cause unrest in the country.

    Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said at a briefing on Wednesday, September 4, that Georgia's radical opposition will cause unrest in the republic after the parliamentary elections.

    According to the politician, the radical opposition has no chance of winning the parliamentary elections and regularly claims that the ruling party, Georgian Dream, is falsifying the voting results.

    “We have information that the radical opposition is actively discussing the artificial development of such a scenario, which could lead to public unrest,” said Kobakhidze, whose words are quoted by the news site Civil Georgia.

    He also noted that the party leaders are in danger. At the same time, a number of Georgian media outlets emphasize that this information is not confirmed.

    Similar situations have already arisen in a number of other countries. According to Teraz, Slovakian Prime Minister Robert Fico and US presidential candidate Donald Trump are under threat.

    Earlier, in mid-August, political scientist at the Financial University under the Government of Russia Shota Apkhaidze claimed that the “destructive opposition” plans to come to power and is acting in collusion with the West, writes Gazeta.Ru .

    That same month, Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said that the parliamentary elections in Georgia would be a “referendum between war and peace ,” a referendum between propaganda and traditional values. He noted that the choice must be made in favor of peace, morality, and a bright future for the country. The prime minister also said that the ruling Georgian Dream party would soon present its delegates in Tbilisi, which would mark the beginning of its election campaign. Its rating is currently around 60%.

    Parliamentary elections in Georgia are scheduled for October 26, 2024. The election process will be held using the electronic voting system. Candidates will be selected from party lists. The legislative body will include those parties that receive at least 5% of the votes.

    https://iz.ru/1753673/2024-09-04/premer-gruzii-zavil-o-podgotovke-oppozitciei-provokatcii-v-strane-posle-vyborov

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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 04, 2024 7:29 pm

    EU suspends Georgia's integration process, by Daria Grigorenko for VZGLYAD. 09.04.2024.

    The European Union has suspended Georgia's accession process in response to the country's parliament's adoption of a bill banning LGBT propaganda (a movement recognized as extremist in Russia), according to a statement from the EU Delegation to Georgia.

    The EU, commenting on the bill being adopted by the Georgian parliament on banning LGBT propaganda, noted that “the process of Georgia’s accession has effectively been suspended and the EU is calling on the authorities to return to the path of integration,” TASS reports.

    Earlier it was reported that Tbilisi refused the appeal of the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe to stop the discussion of a package of legislative amendments banning LGBT propaganda.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/4/1285469.html

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:01 am

    The EU are an interesting group.... Georgia invaded South Ossetia and tried to occupy that region by force... part of that attack included the indiscriminate rocket artillery shelling of a capital city and an attack on UN peacekeepers. The EU supported Tiblisi because those UN Peacekeepers were Russian soldiers.

    Now they are rejecting the promotion of alternative sexual life choices to children and the EU has stopped their accession to the group.

    Sexualising children is a crime, but attacking a region and killing people with rocket artillery is OK.. including actively trying to kill UN Peacekeepers...

    That is what the west has become.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 06, 2024 5:39 pm

    Michael Roth is just another Mossad asset:

    Georgian Prime Minister Kobakhidze Refused to Meet with German MPs, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.06.2024.

    Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze has decided not to hold meetings with the Bundestag delegation, accusing the German parliament of bias. This was reported by a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi.

    “I do not consider it appropriate to meet with members of the Bundestag delegation, since several months ago a member of the German parliament took part in a radical opposition action in Tbilisi and was involved in an attempt to organize a revolution,” said the country’s prime minister.

    In the spring, the chairman of the Bundestag Committee on Foreign Relations, Michael Roth, as well as the foreign ministers of a number of EU countries, took part in protests in Tbilisi against the law “On Transparency of Foreign Influence”.

    According to Kobakhidze, during the protests, "a member of the Bundestag stood on stage and was involved in revolutionary processes." He confirmed that German parliamentarians asked him for a meeting, but "for us, such actions (Roth's actions) are unacceptable."

    According to him, the head of the parliamentary committee on foreign relations, Nikoloz Samkharadze, met with the deputies. "It will become clear how productive this meeting will be," the prime minister concluded.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/6/1285874.html

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 06, 2024 11:44 pm

    Has this little country cracked the code of post-Soviet politics?, by Timofey Bordachev Programme Director of Valdai Club, for RT. 09.06.2024.

    When the US demanded total self-sacrifice from the countries of the former Soviet Union, Georgia bucked the trend.

    Relations between Georgia and the West – which were already difficult – took a new turn last week when the leader of the ruling Georgian Dream party said that funding of the opposition by the United States and the European Union amounted to “crossing red lines.”

    With an election on the horizon, Bidzina Ivanishvili, widely considered the de facto leader of the party and its honorary chairman, accused Western states of interfering in the country’s internal affairs. The head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau added that Western financial support for some non-governmental organisations amounted to non-transparent funding of the same opposition.

    The most amusing thing about these statements is that the schemes described by the Georgian officials are the most common and universally accepted method of US influence on political processes abroad. It is only in the last 30 years that no one has dared to speak openly about this fact in countries that claim to be part of the ‘community of liberal democracies’. And Georgia is one of those. Especially given that nobody there has abandoned the goal of joining NATO and the EU.

    The Georgian authorities are thus taking the liberty of directly contradicting the basic world order imposed on everyone by the Americans. Which is that the laws and norms of the UN apply to everyone except the US itself. And since this case is not taking place in the distant Amazon, but in a neighbouring country to Russia, the nature of the Georgian phenomenon – and its prospects – cannot fail to pique our interest.

    For now, Georgia is not an important enough prize for Russia’s main Western adversaries to spend significant resources on. But times are changing. And there is no need to delude ourselves that the US and EU won’t act more decisively in the future. Including resorting to their main tool: the violent overthrow of political regimes they deem undesirable.

    That’s why the main concern of Georgian politicians – and the same applies in Russia – right now is to build an effective state that controls its security agencies and is able to finance its main developmental challenges without resorting to significant external borrowing.

    That’s because another tool of the West is to weaponize the indebtedness of countries to so-called international financial institutions. Most notably, the World Bank and the IMF, whose political objectives are determined by Washington.

    In the coming months and even years, Georgia, and its people, will have to tread a very thorny and risky path without compromising the security and very existence of their nation. They could well be successful, because they have certain advantages.

    The first is a relatively high level of political awareness and the existence of a tradition of statehood. The Georgian people have lived through various periods of history, including under Persian and Turkish rule. But even under these conditions, local statehood was kept alive. In this respect, Georgia can be compared, for example, to Uzbekistan, where the self-government of the Bukhara Emirate was preserved until its defeat by the Bolsheviks in 1920. And it certainly has an advantage over the former Baltic republics or the territory of Ukraine, where there has never been such a tradition. Such a historical path allows for the accumulation of experience and a certain wisdom that can even compensate for the stereotypical southern temperament.

    Second, Georgia was the least fortunate of the former Soviet republics where nationalists came to power after the USSR’s collapse. It almost immediately lost control of two regions – Abkhazia and South Ossetia – and in 2008 came into direct conflict with Russia. The lessons seem to have been learned. A few years later, the regime in Tbilisi that sparked the latter conflict fell, and the Georgian Dream party, led by the pragmatic businessman Ivanishvili, came to power.

    Foreign policy gradually began to correct itself in the direction of common sense and an understanding of the country’s place on the map. At the same time, the contradictions between Tbilisi and its Western patrons began to grow. Now these relations are at their lowest point since independent Georgia appeared in 1991.

    The ‘Georgia First’ policy is at odds with what Washington wants. The US has demanded total self-sacrifice from the countries of the former Soviet Union in stoking conflict with Russia. Tblisi, however, switched to a pragmatic policies which serve its own interests.

    It should be noted that Armenia and the Baltic republics have been much less fortunate. In the first case, the early days of independence were a period of foreign policy victories that eventually led to severe disappointments. In the case of the Baltics, elite nationalism was fully supported by the West and flourished, especially under the hypothetical ‘security umbrella’ of NATO. The Georgian state, on the other hand, had to grow up the hard way.

    Finally, Georgia has a relatively good geographical position at the crossroads of trade routes between major economies. In the early days of independence, Tbilisi hoped to sell its territory for the US to use as a military base for missions against Russia and Iran. Now the Georgian authorities are using their geography for peaceful purposes, becoming a kind of bridge between Russia, Turkey and Western Europe.

    Proof of this is the growing volume of German exports to Georgia. According to the latest data from the statistical services of the Federal Republic of Germany, they have tripled since February 2002 - from 30 million to 90 million euros per month - dominated by machinery and other equipment.

    At the same time, Georgia is militarily and strategically far enough from NATO’s main bridgeheads in Eastern Europe and more difficult to access than the Baltics or Ukraine. For their part, the neighboring Turkish authorities have no interest in having another flashpoint on their doorstep, instead of a mediator and investment destination.

    Capitalising on these advantages, the Georgian leadership have taken it upon themselves – and the population, whose lives have visibly improved in recent years – to determine the fate of the country. Linked to these efforts has been the biggest flashpoint between Tbilisi and the West in recent months: the “Foreign Influence Transparency Law,” adopted in early June, which requires organisations that receive funding from abroad to register as foreign agents.

    The law’s passage was accompanied by months of protests, visits by Western European officials and a condemnatory EU resolution. Parliament even had to override a presidential veto to make the final decision. The main thing that has become clear in the course of this whole campaign is that the Georgian government is quite capable of controlling its own security agencies. Considering what happened in Ukraine in February 2014 and the Belarusian experience of 2020, this can be seen as one of the most serious achievements of the ruling party.

    In October this year, Georgia will hold parliamentary elections in which all the people, not only the pro-Western street mob, will have the final say. In a way, Georgia is an example of how it is possible not to have particularly warm feelings towards Russia, but at the same time not to give Moscow any cause for concern. The latter is the main thing we want from our closest neighbours.

    It is still unclear how long this independent stance can last and if Russia can encourage the rest of its neighbours to be similarly predictable in the future. At present, Georgia’s stance is resented in the West, but welcomed by Moscow. Meanwhile, the status of breakaway Abkhazia and South Ossetia – both recognized as independent states by Russia – has the potential to cause problems in the future.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/603643-country-cracked-post-soviet-code/

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    Post  Kiko Tue Sep 10, 2024 3:36 pm

    Georgian President announces readiness to run for new term, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 09.10.2024.

    Georgian President Zurabishvili has announced her readiness to run for another term.

    Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili expressed her readiness to run for a new presidential term “so that Georgia can return to the European path.”

    Zurabishvili said this in an interview with the French publication Le Figaro , which was published on the website of the President of Georgia, TASS reports .

    “If the charter I proposed (an action plan for the opposition in the event of an election victory) works, I am ready to be a negotiator with our European partners,” she added.

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of Georgia Tea Tsulukiani spoke about the West's mistakes in choosing its protégés in Georgia. She noted that President Salome Zurabishvili, chosen by external forces to promote ideas, "to put it mildly, has no weight in the country and among the Georgian people to form opinions."

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/10/1286495.html

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:15 pm

    Kiko wrote:Georgian President announces readiness to run for new term, by Valeria Gorodetskaya for VZGLYAD. 09.10.2024.

    Georgian President Zurabishvili has announced her readiness to run for another term.

    Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili expressed her readiness to run for a new presidential term “so that Georgia can return to the European path.”

    Zurabishvili said this in an interview with the French publication Le Figaro , which was published on the website of the President of Georgia, TASS reports .

    “If the charter I proposed (an action plan for the opposition in the event of an election victory) works, I am ready to be a negotiator with our European partners,” she added.

    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of Georgia Tea Tsulukiani spoke about the West's mistakes in choosing its protégés in Georgia. She noted that President Salome Zurabishvili, chosen by external forces to promote ideas, "to put it mildly, has no weight in the country and among the Georgian people to form opinions."

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/10/1286495.html

    She should be put in prison and there she could run inside a large hamster wheel made for her.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Sep 10, 2024 7:06 pm

    Georgia decides to find out the involvement of the former US ambassador in the attempted coup in 2020, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.10.2024.

    Georgia is investigating the possible involvement of the former US ambassador in the revolutionary processes in 2020.

    Georgia will have to find out the possible involvement of former US Ambassador Kelly Degnan in the attempt by local NGOs funded by America to declare the 2020 parliamentary elections rigged and to stage a revolution, said Parliament Speaker Shalva Papuashvili, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

    “We still don’t have a convincing answer about the role of US-funded NGOs and US government officials in spreading false results of the 2020 parallel vote count,” he said.

    According to him, the NGO “Fair Elections” damaged Georgian democracy and the country’s reputation by spreading lies.

    As Papuashvili noted, the opposition then attempted to cause unrest, demanded early elections and used the trials as a pretext to boycott the work of parliament.

    "It was after this (in the West) that the false narrative about the retreat of Georgian democracy began to take hold," said the head of Georgia's highest legislative body. "We also know for sure that the US Agency for International Development (USAID) in Georgia was aware of the false results of the parallel counts and hid it from the authorities of our country and its people."

    According to him, employees of Georgian NGOs who deliberately decided to commit forgery in 2020 continue to work for US-funded organizations. "We are interested to know whether Kelly Degnan, who held the post of US Ambassador, was aware of this at the time," he noted. "We cannot turn a blind eye to the real problems in relations between Georgia and America. This does not help our strategic partnership," the Chairman of the Georgian Parliament said.

    The head of Georgia's highest legislative body noted that USAID is a government organization and is physically located in the US Embassy in Tbilisi, "so it is hard to believe that the then ambassador was in the dark." He called on the American side to investigate these processes, which would be "a worthy assessment of the constant support of America from the people of Georgia."

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/10/1286527.html

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    Post  Kiko Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:00 pm

    Georgian Dream founder tops party list for parliamentary elections, 09.10.2024.

    Georgian public and political figure Bidzina Ivanishvili, who founded the ruling party in the republic, Georgian Dream – Democratic Georgia, headed the party list for the parliamentary elections on October 26.

    This was announced by Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze at the ceremony of presenting the first twenty members of the Georgian Dream list for the elections.

    "I think it will not be difficult for you to guess the first number on our party list. I would like to ask Mr. Bidzina Ivanishvili with great respect to come on stage," TASS quotes him as saying.

    Kobakhidze himself was second on the list. The party's list also included Georgian Dream Chairman Irakli Garibashvili, Parliament Speaker Shalva Papuashvili and the leader of the parliamentary majority Mamuka Mdinaradze.

    Earlier, the Georgian Dream announced its intention to declare Mikheil Saakashvili’s United National Movement party unconstitutional.

    https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/1367058-spisok-gruzinskaya-mechta-vybory

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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:18 pm

    SVR reveals new method of American influence on upcoming parliamentary elections in Georgia, by Georgy Parkhomenko for Rossiyskaia Gazeta. 09.11.2024.

    The Russian Foreign Intelligence Service has reported a new method of American influence on the upcoming parliamentary elections in Georgia. According to the intelligence service, it is planned to use the Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE ODIHR) for this purpose.

    "The US State Department intends to use a new instrument of interference in the parliamentary elections in Georgia on October 26 in order to prevent the victory of the ruling Georgian Dream party, which is unpopular with Washington," RIA Novosti quotes an excerpt from a statement by the SVR press service.

    It is alleged that the State Department has agreed with the leadership of the OSCE/ODIHR that an interim report will be published in early October, in which "experts" will come to the conclusion that Georgia lacks the conditions "for holding free and fair elections," and after the preliminary results are tallied, the vote will be declared "undemocratic".

    This will give the pro-Western Georgian opposition a reason to start mass protests and try to seize power by force.

    Earlier, the special service warned about the preparation of a "color revolution" in Georgia to overthrow the ruling party "Georgian Dream", which defends the national interests of the country and refuses to unquestioningly comply with the demands of the West. For this purpose, a network of non-governmental organizations "recruits" observers who will be required to record facts of violations of the election procedure, even if they are not actually found. In the event of an attempt to suppress the protests by force, which will certainly be organised after the publication of the "facts", Washington plans to react "mercilessly" in the political and economic spheres.

    https://rg.ru/2024/09/11/svr-vashington-budet-ispolzovat-obse-dlia-vmeshatelstva-v-gruzinskie-vybory.html

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 11, 2024 12:46 pm

    In maidan they didn't risk that Lukashenko might not crack down hard by hiring their own Georgian snipers to shoot protesters and police to stir up both sides and create chaos... makes me wonder if that alone doesn't warrant it happening in Georgia and the US as a penitence for their past sins towards others.
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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 11, 2024 5:45 pm

    Ivanishvili declines to run for Georgian President, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.11.2024.

    The Georgian Dream party does not intend to nominate its honorary chairman Bidzina Ivanishvili for the post of president at the end of this year, said the executive secretary of the political force, Mamuka Mdinaradze, a correspondent for the Vzglyad newspaper in Tbilisi reports.

    "I absolutely rule out Bidzina Ivanishvili becoming president. He is not interested in any positions at all," Mdinaradze said.

    According to the secretary, “the main reason why the honorary chairman of the party became the first number on the list for the parliamentary elections on October 26 is the desire to obtain a constitutional majority as a result of them,” that is, at least 113 mandates out of 150.

    "Even if we do nothing, we will get the usual majority," Mdinaradze noted, stressing the importance of the upcoming elections, which Georgian Dream calls "a referendum between war and peace."

    "The interest of obtaining a constitutional majority is consistent with the interests of saving Georgia," the executive secretary said. According to him, Georgia "needs firm guarantees of peace, dignity, prosperity and only in this way - membership in the European Union."

    The day before, the ruling party announced the first twenty candidates on the electoral list for the parliamentary elections on October 26. At the end of the year, Georgia will hold presidential elections. For the first time, the president will not be elected by the people, but by an electoral college of 300 people – 150 members of parliament and 150 representatives of local authorities.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/11/1286716.html

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    Post  Kiko Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:12 pm

    Georgian PM talks about ambassador's courage in Kyiv against Western diplomats, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.11.2024.

    Georgian Prime Minister Kobakhidze criticizes Ukraine for recalling chargé d'affaires.

    Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze on Wednesday expressed regret over Ukraine's decision to recall the country's chargé d'affaires from Tbilisi, a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi reported.

    "This decision does not serve the development of bilateral relations," the prime minister said. According to the head of the Georgian government, the Georgian side "did not recall its ambassador from Ukraine and did not force the Ukrainian ambassador to leave Georgia, as the Ukrainian side did."

    “First, Ukraine recalled its ambassador for two reasons: we did not join the anti-Russian sanctions, which would have resulted in the collapse of our economy, and we did not open a ‘second front’ by sending our armed volunteers to Ukraine,” Kobakhidze said.

    “After this, our ambassador was practically expelled from Ukraine, and since the beginning of military actions, he has not left Ukraine for a single day, unlike many other ambassadors, including Western ones, who announced an evacuation,” the prime minister said.

    "And neither the ambassador nor our country appreciated this. But this is a decision by the Ukrainian authorities, which we deeply regret. We remain in the regime of one-sided friendship, the people of Ukraine need this and Ukraine, which is friendly to us, needs this," he emphasized.

    Earlier, Kobakhidze said that the decision of the new head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Andriy Sybiga, to remove from office the temporary chargé d'affaires of Ukraine in Georgia, Mikhail Kharishin, was connected with the Ukrainian diplomat's purchase of a washing machine.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Sep 13, 2024 8:54 am

    Tbilisi Refused to Be a “Weapon Against Russia”, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.13.2024.

    The chairman of the pro-government parliamentary movement “Power of the People” Sozar Subari stated that Georgia is an “ally of the West,” but will not be a “weapon against Russia,” a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

    “Georgia is an ally of the West in all battles for a just peace, but Georgia will not be a weapon against Russia in the hands of others,” said the politician, who was among the top twenty of the ruling Georgian Dream party on the list for the October 26 parliamentary elections.

    According to him, the standards of democracy and human rights protection in Georgia are “higher than all the candidate countries for the European Union and higher than many countries in this union.”

    "But a poor and ruined country cannot become a member of the European Union. Georgia's economic growth in recent years gives us reason to expect EU membership," Sozar Subari noted.

    “We will not allow Georgia to be destroyed, we will not allow anyone to use us,” he said, calling on the West to “understand this and take steps towards it.”

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/13/1286988.html

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    Post  Broski Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:55 pm

    The chairman of the pro-government parliamentary movement “Power of the People” Sozar Subari stated that Georgia is an “ally of the West,” but will not be a “weapon against Russia,” a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

    This moron doesn't seem to understand that you cannot be an ally of the West without being used as a weapon against Russia. What does he think Finland, Sweden and the Baltic lapdogs were invited into NATO for?

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:04 pm

    “We will not allow Georgia to be destroyed, we will not allow anyone to use us,” he said, calling on the West to “understand this and take steps towards it.”

    The only reason the EU wants you as a member is your proximity to Russia, and therefore your usefulness in damaging Russia no matter the damage to yourself.

    You have a chance to enter the EU so they can use you... look at Ukraine... they are using them to damage Russia without even letting them join which is the ideal situation for the EU... and they want to repeat that with Georgia and if possible with Belarus... they don't care if Ukraine and Georgia and Belarus are burning and have run out of young men because they are all dead on some battlefield somewhere.... as long as they died killing and damaging Russians and Russia... and they they will say you are too broken to join the EU.

    If you don't believe me ask Turkey... it controls access to the Black Sea so the HATO members on the Black Sea want good relations with the gate keeper but there is no reason to let them in to the party because they are not European whites... they are half asian... like the Russians... and Ukrainians, and Belarussians, and Georgians for that matter...

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 14, 2024 12:16 am

    I think the Georgians understand everything, they're just angling for a Hungary-like arrangement with Washington and pals. i.e. not to actually be used in any war or have to sacrifice their own national interests, but benefit from European funds and so on while offering a route for vital EU-Russian trade and deals or whatever.
    Of course I suspect one Hungary is enough for Washington and Brussels, they don't need another.
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    Post  Kiko Sat Sep 14, 2024 5:46 pm

    Georgia Talks About Apologizing to Ossetians for 2008 War 09.14.2024.
    Ivanishvili: Georgian authorities will find strength to apologize to Ossetians for 2008 war.

    TBILISI, September 14 — RIA Novosti. Georgia will find the strength to apologize to the Ossetians for the 2008 military conflict unleashed by former President Mikheil Saakashvili and his United National Movement party, said Bidzina Ivanishvili, founder and honorary chairman of the ruling Georgian Dream party.

    "We will find the strength to apologize for the fact that, in accordance with the instructions, the traitors from the National Movement unleashed a war against our Ossetian brothers and sisters in 2008," Ivanishvili said during a speech as part of the election campaign.

    According to him, the basis of the Christian faith is forgiveness and therefore he is confident that the confrontation will end with a historic petition and sincere reconciliation.

    Ivanishvili also once again announced that if the ruling party wins the parliamentary elections, all those guilty of organizing the military actions of 2008 will be brought to justice.

    https://ria.ru/20240914/gruziya-1972728439.html

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    Post  higurashihougi Sat Sep 14, 2024 6:24 pm

    Broski wrote:This moron doesn't seem to understand that you cannot be an ally of the West without being used as a weapon against Russia. What does he think Finland, Sweden and the Baltic lapdogs were invited into NATO for?

    Read his message carefully. He say he will be ally of the West "for a just peace", he did not say he will be ally against Russia, neither did he claim that battle against Russia is a just peace.

    The hidden message is clear: it is Gruzia who dictates what is a just peace, not the authority of the West to dictate it.

    Gruzia government is trying to be polite and civilized when conveying the message, like how proper diplomacy should works.

    The more important thing should be paid attention to is, Ivanishvili, the Godfather of the ruling party, announced the potential to apologize to Ossetia in the future, i.e. literally shitting on the face of the Western countries and their puppet Tie Eater.

    GarryB wrote:You have a chance to enter the EU so they can use you... look at Ukraine... they are using them to damage Russia without even letting them join which is the ideal situation for the EU... and they want to repeat that with Georgia

    The message here is "we Gruzia are friendly and open to cooperation but with a condition, and if you put sanction on us it is your own fault to be hostile, not us."

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:07 pm

    The Georgians can say anything they like Yanokovich was pro west and mildly anti Russian, but he took the Russian deal and rejected the EU offer simply because the Russian deal was better for the Ukraine and he was violently removed from office.

    It is not enough to be pro west or pro EU... if you are not useful then you will be replaced by fellow countrymen who are more agreeable to anything the US dictates.

    I am sure Georgia wants to have the relationship Finland used to have with Russia... essentially neutral and east and west friendly, but now even they are not allowed to be neutral and were clearly forced to pick a side.

    I rather doubt the Russian attack on the Ukraine was the only driving force that led to Finland joining HATO... I would bet money that in the background the EU and US basically said... we have been developing ties with you all these years and you are closer to HATO than you are with Russia and you need to pick sides... you can either join Russia and Belarus and get western sanctions and economic blockaded from the west and try to survive on your trade with Russia, or you can join HATO and keep your trade with Europe and cut your trade with Russia.

    They no doubt looked at their balance of trade and decided to keep trading with Europe and the west... thinking Russia will collapse with all the sanctions the west was telling them they were going to impose on them anyway.

    They were likely certain... at the start, that they could pour hundreds of billions of dollars and send enormous volumes of weapons and ammo and equipment, while at the same time isolating Russia from the entire world and destroy their economy by cutting them out of SWIFT and cut their energy exports... most of which were going to Europe at the time.

    For Georgia however, at this end of the war it is pretty clear there is not much more money and most western populations don't like more money being sent to the Ukraine when they have their own problems that need money too... there is no more ammo and no more weapons because the junk from their military storage has all been sent already. There are some escalations they have left but they are desperate and might lead to Russia being able to do all sorts of terrible things to the west around the world that damages the west and weakens it even further and still does not help Kiev improve its situation.

    The west is desperate and in a bad situation... not a great time to climb on board the Titanic after it has hit the iceberg and is taking on water and they are helping you on board because they expect you to bail water for them.

    The west is not interested in friends, they want to use Georgia and its useful location vis a vis Russia to damage Russia but if Georgia does not comply they will use bribes or threats or just colour revolutions to achieve what they want anyway.

    This is not to Georgias benefit in any way... but they are hardly going to listen to me.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Sep 15, 2024 8:39 pm

    Georgian opposition calls authorities' readiness to apologize to Ossetians for war "betrayal", by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.15.2024.

    The Georgian opposition has called the statement by the honorary chairman of the ruling Georgian Dream party, Bidzina Ivanishvili, about his readiness to apologize for the war between Ossetians and Georgians unleashed by former President Mikheil Saakashvili in 2008 “shameful” and “treacherous,” a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

    The secretary of Saakashvili's "United National Movement" Zurab Chiaberashvili stated that "this position is extremely treacherous and shameful." According to him, "such statements undermine the policy of non-recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia "occupied by Russia."

    "We will give a political response to Bidzina Ivanishvili for this at the October 26 parliamentary elections," Chiaberashvili said. For his part, one of the leaders of the Akhlebi (New) party, Nikoloz Gvaramia, said that "Georgia has been dishonored by this statement." "Such statements bring grist to the enemy's mill, distorting history," Gvaramia said.

    Earlier, the honorary chairman of the ruling Georgian Dream party, Bidzina Ivanishvili , said that the Georgian leadership would apologize for the war between Ossetians and Georgians unleashed by former President Mikheil Saakashvili in 2008.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/15/1287313.html

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    Post  Kiko Mon Sep 16, 2024 2:45 pm

    Michael Roth is clearly a Mossad asset:

    Authorities say head of Bundestag Foreign Affairs Committee insults Georgian people, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.16.2024.

    The Georgian authorities have denied audiences to Michael Roth, head of the Bundestag Foreign Affairs Committee, who arrived in Tbilisi on Monday, because of “insults to the Georgian people,” said parliamentary speaker Shalva Papuashvili, a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi reports.

    "This man has insulted the people of Georgia, so we have no desire to meet with him," said the head of Georgia's highest legislative body.

    According to him, “in all likelihood, Roth has arrived in Tbilisi again to meet with the Georgian opposition lining up to see him.”

    As Shalva Papuashvili noted, earlier the German parliamentarian “insulted the Georgian authorities elected by the people, insulted the Georgian Church, insulted Georgian democracy.”

    "Unfortunately, Michael Roth has still not expressed regret for his actions," he said.

    According to the chairman of the Georgian parliament, “in general, when a foreign politician comes to Georgia to support the opposition, this is interference in internal affairs and in the election campaign” for the parliamentary elections on October 26.

    The head of Georgia's highest legislative body said that "if foreign politicians were to visit Germany for such purposes, it would cause a big scandal."

    "Some Europeans allow themselves to look down on small countries. We reconcile ourselves to some extent, but we have the power to speak about it publicly, and we will do so," the Georgian parliament speaker said.

    Roth took part in protests against the law "On Transparency of Foreign Influence" in the spring and made offensive statements about the Georgian Orthodox Church, which allegedly hinders the country's European integration. He also called the ruling Georgian Dream party "a Georgian nightmare."

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/16/1287452.html

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    Post  Kiko Mon Sep 16, 2024 10:52 pm

    Abkhazia sees path to peace in words of Georgian Dream founder, 09.16.2024.

    The Abkhazian Foreign Ministry expressed hope that Ivanishvili was sincere in his intention to apologize for the 2008 war and "will find the right words" for Sukhum. If words are backed up by actions, the parties can sign a peace treaty, they added.

    If the Georgian authorities' statement about their intention to apologize to the region for starting the war in South Ossetia is supported by real actions towards reconciliation and signing a peace treaty, then this will allow the process leading to "good-neighborly relations" to begin, the Abkhazian Foreign Ministry said .

    This statement was made on September 14 by the chairman of Georgia's ruling party, Georgian Dream, Bidzina Ivanishvili. He promised that if the party wins the parliamentary elections in October, "we will definitely find the strength to apologize for the fact that, on instructions [from outside], the treacherous National Movement engulfed our Ossetian brothers and sisters in flames in 2008." Ivanishvili added that the confrontation imposed on Georgia by its enemies "will end in mutual forgiveness and reconciliation."

    "Despite the fact that this statement does not directly concern the Republic of Abkhazia, we would like to note that such a statement, if it is supported by real steps towards reconciliation based on a reassessment of past mistakes and an apology to the peoples of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, a rejection of methods of political and economic pressure and the signing of a peace treaty, could become the beginning of a process leading to peaceful coexistence and good-neighborly relations," the statement from the Abkhazian Foreign Ministry reads.

    There they expressed hope that Ivanishvili was sincere and “will find the right words in relation to the people of Abkhazia, which this time will not diverge from actions” and will end with the signing of an agreement on international guarantees of the non-use of force between Abkhazia and Georgia and South Ossetia and Georgia.

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/16/09/2024/66e860c29a79470a7f888177

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    Post  GarryB Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:56 am

    It is good that a political party in Georgia wants to apologise for what happened in 2008, and I can see why Abkhazia  would be pleased to hear such things from Georgia, but it is very important that the Georgian attack in 2008 was against South Ossetia and not Abkhazia and it was also against Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia, so while positive sounds from Abkhazia are nice the Apology needs to be directed at South Ossetia and to Russia, and they would need to acknowledge such an apology before it really meant anything at all.

    ...Having said that it is a good positive step towards better relations between neighbours that can't move away and are stuck with each other...

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