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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:01 pm

    Belisarius wrote:

    And it has cost 120k KIA and 3 times wounded

    I wonder where the signs are, in Russian society, of these half a million casualties Rolling Eyes

    It's nothing but retarded cope and fantasy projection. Russian forces having a 10:1 artillery advantage will scale the Ukr losses accordingly. We
    have enough information about the type of injuries. The deaths are not from infantry engagements with automatic rifles.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:04 pm

    kvs wrote:
    It's nothing but retarded cope and fantasy projection.   Russian forces having a 10:1 artillery advantage will scale the Ukr losses accordingly.   We
    have enough information about the type of injuries.   The deaths are not from infantry engagements with automatic rifles.    

    According to some sources, 96% of injuries are caused by artillery, combined fragments and shock/blast.
    Add to that airforce.
    Still I do believe that Russia suffered some 70k KIA at the moment.

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    Post  xeno Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:19 pm

    Actually the number is less than 60k at
    the moment as per the organization which is anti Russia government.

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    Post  franco Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:32 pm

    The Russian MoD reporting 2160 Ukrainian casualties during the past 24 hours.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12519717@egNews

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    Post  franco Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:37 pm

    xeno wrote:Actually the number is less than 60k at
    the moment as per the organization which is anti Russia government.

    That organization also claims that they are only able to confirm that number but believe the total to be 50% more...

    I believe that perhaps no one knows for sure right now and if they do, are not telling Twisted Evil

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    Post  franco Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:46 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    It's nothing but retarded cope and fantasy projection.   Russian forces having a 10:1 artillery advantage will scale the Ukr losses accordingly.   We
    have enough information about the type of injuries.   The deaths are not from infantry engagements with automatic rifles.    

    According to some sources, 96% of injuries are caused by artillery, combined fragments and shock/blast.
    Add to that airforce.
    Still I do believe that Russia suffered some 70k KIA at the moment.

    "During a special military operation in Ukraine, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, up to 97% of the wounded return to service. At the same time, at different stages of SVR, the proportion of patients in severe and extremely severe conditions reached 24-27%, in the state of moderate severity-about half, light injuries are recorded in 20-22%. According to the nature of injuries, 70% are mine-explosive wounds, 10% each-diseases, injuries and gunshot wounds."

    Russian Medical Development: News - Page 17 Post n°404

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:11 pm

    franco wrote:
    xeno wrote:Actually the number is less than 60k at
    the moment as per the organization which is anti Russia government.

    That organization also claims that they are only able to confirm that number but believe the total to be 50% more...

    I believe that perhaps no one knows for sure right now and if they do, are not telling Twisted Evil

    russia

    The 50% fluff factor is obvious BS. There are no secret burials. Russian KIA are not left to rot out on the battlefield. The MediaZona methodology
    likely overestimates the losses because it counts all males in the "right" age range whose death is advertised on social media. There are plenty of
    deaths not related to the war. How do they separate these two different death populations? Given their anti-Russian agenda I would bet that
    they are over-attributing the war loss population.

    Anyway, the Russian operation is deliberately conserving Russian lives. The "exception" is the Wagner operation in Bakhmut. But that was not any
    sort of human wave meat grinder as claimed by NATzO and its Kiev minions. Today we have the use of FAB-3000 bombs which are very effective
    against the Ukr fortified positions. A KIA ratio of 1:10 is way too high and locally must be on the order of 1:100. The increase of Ukr casualties
    to over 2000 is not reflected in a proportional increase in Russian casualties.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:16 pm

    xeno wrote:Actually the number is less than 60k at
    the moment as per the organization which is anti Russia government.

    The 60k is supposedly names confirmed, and then the 120k includes probate registry cases

    In general it is too high anyway regardless which figure you use, 60k is a lot anyway

    These losses were suffered under the justification that Ukraine would be forced to capitulate, and most of the territory could be subsumed either not damaged at all, or very little

    And the Ukro population that could be saved would be maintained

    Time will tell if this was correct, but judging by the Kiev strikes it’s become apparent that some alterations to war approach are needed

    Bringing the high intense part of this war to a close by 2025 is needed, and then managing an insurgency with as little casualties as possible

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:18 pm

    Regarding the "children's hospital" strike, ask what are the chances? I think the Ukr NATzO proxies staged the event using their own air defense missile.
    They get plausible deniability if their BS propaganda does not fly ("accidents happen") and at the same time can contribute to the NATzO propaganda
    chorus about Russians deliberately attacking children.

    I think Russia should send some missiles to engage more pain for such shenanigans.

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    Post  Kiko Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:49 pm

    The Ukrainian Armed Forces are unable to stop the offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in two decisive directions, by Lyubov Stepushova for Military Pravda. 07.09.2024.

    The Russian Armed Forces are moving to the left bank of the Oskol River and the Pokrovsk-Chasov Yar highway.

    The Russian Armed Forces are conducting decisive battles in two directions, as a result of which Kupyansk and Chasov Yar will be taken. This success will be reflected in the overall operational situation in the SVO zone.

    The Russian Armed Forces must return to Kupyansk

    The first direction is the exit to the bank of the Oskol River south of Kupyansk. The village of Peschanoye was recently taken as a result of a breakthrough of more than four kilometers in a section up to three kilometers wide. From Peschanoye to the Oskol River, where the villages of Kruglyakovka (opposite Senkovka) and Kolesnikovka are located, there are about nine kilometers left, and there are no other settlements along the attackers' route. Some Russian sources report that the Ukrainian Armed Forces are already retreating behind the Oskol River.

    The Russian Armed Forces are attacking crossings, including embankments.

    In this way, a bridgehead is formed for an offensive on Kupyansk from the south, possibly with a crossing of the river.

    "It looks like a crisis is brewing in the Kupyansk direction, similar to the "Ocheretin breakthrough," Ukrainian analyst Konstantin Mashovets writes in Telegram .

    https://military.pravda.ru/2059480-kupjansk-chasov-jar/

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:55 pm

    xeno wrote:Actually the number is less than 60k at
    the moment as per the organization which is anti Russia government.

    Doesn't include DNR/LNR troops which probably have over 25k KIA of their own by now

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:08 pm

    As a result of yesterday's strike on missile depots from France and the UK, over 45 Storm Shadow missiles, 23 Sculp missiles and 18 ATACMS missiles were destroyed.
        A big loss for ukros.

        This is at least €200 million plus the cost of secret logistics during delivery.

        Our scouts caught the beginning of the transportation of missiles to the launch sites in the Mykolaiv, Odessa regions and the Dnieper and destroyed them.

    https://t.me/ZandVchannel/119947



    https://t.me/infomil_live/7870

        The most curious thing is that the morning strike used regular Kh-101s, not upgraded to the Izdeliye-504AP version, which has an L-504 passive jamming unit on board . Previously, they tried to attack Kiev with these missiles, since the Ukrainian capital was probably the most protected city in Europe in terms of the number of modern Western air defense systems of various models deployed.

        However, today, the Ukrainian air defense in the Kiev area, not counting the work of the Patriots from the outskirts of Zhulyany, showed itself surprisingly extremely poorly : only in the posted footage, the operator captured the arrival of 6 Kh-101 cruise missiles at once , which are a target that can be intercepted by anti-aircraft systems. In addition to cruise missiles, ballistic and hypersonic missiles also arrived in the morning, where they hit is still unknown.

        What happened to the Ukrainian air defense of Kiev is a question, but it is possible that some of the air defense systems recently left the capital either for more threatening areas of the front to protect against Russian drones that have filled the skies, or for more sensitive objects at the regional level, and the Russian General Staff noticed this.

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:28 pm

    Franco wrote:"During a special military operation in Ukraine, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, up to 97% of the wounded return to service. At the same time, at different stages of SVR, the proportion of patients in severe and extremely severe conditions reached 24-27%, in the state of moderate severity-about half, light injuries are recorded in 20-22%. According to the nature of injuries, 70% are mine-explosive wounds, 10% each-diseases, injuries and gunshot wounds."

    The mines explain why they move so slow, thanks finally some explanations.
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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:30 pm

    What happened to the Ukrainian air defense of Kiev is a question
    No, it isn´t a question. Most have been destroyed, the rest is of such poor quality that it can be jammed easily.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:47 pm

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    Post  Broski Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:What happened to the Ukrainian air defense of Kiev is a question
    With a simple answer, they're with Stepan Bandera right now.

    Poland Plans to Establish a "No-Fly Zone" Over Lvov
    Look forward to the squeals of "Article 5" from dumb Polacks when Russia sends a half dozen Khinzals to destroy Polish Patriot batteries on the Ukrainian border.

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    Post  mnztr Tue Jul 09, 2024 9:59 pm

    400 kph FPV drone

    madness.
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    Post  franco Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:19 pm

    thegopnik wrote:
    Franco wrote:"During a special military operation in Ukraine, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, up to 97% of the wounded return to service. At the same time, at different stages of SVR, the proportion of patients in severe and extremely severe conditions reached 24-27%, in the state of moderate severity-about half, light injuries are recorded in 20-22%. According to the nature of injuries, 70% are mine-explosive wounds, 10% each-diseases, injuries and gunshot wounds."

    The mines explain why they move so slow, thanks finally some explanations.

    Actually in the translation, mine translated from Russian signifies any explosive device.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:14 am

    The tragedy in Kiev could have been avoided if Ukraine had not placed air defense systems in residential areas, said Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya.

    "One of the targets in Kiev was the Artem rocket plant. The plant is located approximately 2 kilometers from the affected children's hospital. There is every reason to believe that the missile from the Ukrainian air defense, which hit the hospital, was intended to intercept the Russian missile aimed at the plant," he said.

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    Post  mnztr Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:07 am

    JohninMK wrote:The tragedy in Kiev could have been avoided if Ukraine had not placed air defense systems in residential areas, said Russia's Permanent Representative to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya.

    "One of the targets in Kiev was the Artem rocket plant. The plant is located approximately 2 kilometers from the affected children's hospital. There is every reason to believe that the missile from the Ukrainian air defense, which hit the hospital, was intended to intercept the Russian missile aimed at the plant," he said.

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    Some are saying an AD missile could not cause so much damage I say bullshit. The AIM120 has a 20KG frag charge which would have broken every window and mowed down anyone with a direct path to the missile or exposed to a window. The building structure itself was not so badly damaged except close to the missile.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 10, 2024 2:07 am

    I don’t see why so many bend over backwards to prove it was this missile or that missile

    Ukros attacked civilians at a beach - and the justification from the NAFO crowd was that a father should not bring his son to a war zone

    So then the war zone isn’t limited to Donbass and Crimea

    I guess hohol families should not live near a war zone

    Anyway I don’t shed a tear for banderites, IMO this should be done more often and I’m glad it did happen

    I see no reason to justify anything - collateral damage - ain’t that what the west calls it?

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:52 am

    mnztr wrote:
    Some are saying an AD missile could not cause so much damage I say bullshit. The AIM120 has a 20KG frag charge which would have broken every window and mowed down anyone with a direct path to the missile or exposed to a window. The building structure itself was not so badly damaged except close to the missile.

    It is quite strange to see statements that an anti-aircraft missile is not able to destroy buildings - after we observed on video that houses can fly into splinters from one mine thrown inside, the charge of which is several times less than that of an anti-aircraft missile.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:20 am

    thegopnik wrote:The mines explain why they move so slow, thanks finally some explanations.

    By mine-explosive they mean any type of explosive. So mines, bombs, shells, kamikaze-drones, RPGs, missiles, cluster warheads, etc...

    A mortar in Russian is literally called a 'mine-thrower' BTW

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:29 am

    mnztr wrote:Some are saying an AD missile could not cause so much damage I say bullshit. The AIM120 has a 20KG frag charge which would have broken every window and mowed down anyone with a direct path to the missile or exposed to a window. The building structure itself was not so badly damaged except close to the missile.

    I don't know about AD missiles, but I do know about missiles such as the Kh-101s implicated in the Russian strikes against Kiev, each carrying a 400kg HE warhead.

    That Hospital would be gone. G-o-n-e. The whole thing. Would just be a wreck or rubble in its place. See the FAB-500 gliding bombs for reference.

    Same for the Kalibr, also carries the same size warhead.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:39 am

    Broski wrote:
    Poland Plans to Establish a "No-Fly Zone" Over Lvov
    Look forward to the squeals of "Article 5" from dumb Polacks when Russia sends a half dozen Khinzals to destroy Polish Patriot batteries on the Ukrainian border.

    ..or when Russian fighters start knocking their Poolander "associates" out of the air. Good times. cheers

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