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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:42 pm

    I would say it is Kalibr.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:47 pm

    I would say it is Kalibr. wrote:

    Right. Kinzhal, at its terminal speed, would probably not be visible to the eye, or very faintly. Probably better in slow motion video.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:54 pm

    If you look at a rifle bullet with a tracer element it is not a glowing dot, it is a glowing line... depending on the shutter rate it can be 20-50m or more long.

    Kinzhal would be travelling at least four times faster than a rifle bullet...

    A normal camera takes a still image 25 times a second.... a Kinzhal at altitude moves 3km in that time, so divide 3km by 25 and you get a line 600m long...

    If it is a long way away you should be able to follow it with your eye, but the closer you are the harder it will be to follow.
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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:07 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Wow

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    Makes perfect sense to me Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Mir Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:08 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Hoooollyyy shiiit Shocked

    What do you mean? Those are clear (as daylight) interceptions! Laughing

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    Post  Arrow Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:48 pm

    https://t.me/ZOV_Voevoda/16388

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jul 08, 2024 3:22 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    No mistake. The Izd117s is the engine for the Su-35s and first stage Su-57s isn't it?

    Also called Al-41.

    The Su-30s are now going to be fitted with the same engine that is used in the Su-35 and also used in the first stage Su-57, so that all three aircraft types will have the same engine.. the Izd117S/Al-41.

    The upgrade engine for the Su-57 is the Izd30, or Al-51 isn't it?

    Weren't they also going to fit the Al-41 to the Su-34 as well?

    Obviously not the same, hence two different designations. Similar sure, but then again, we have 5-6 versions of base Al-31, as well.
    Su-35S - Izdeliye 117s or AL-41F-1S;
    Su-57 first stage -Izdeliye 117 or AL-41F-1

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:04 pm

    If the hospital strike was deliberate , then there was NATO there

    Anyway after the terrorism Kiev has sponsored, there should be more of this

    Finally the gloves came off

    More please
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:05 pm

    Only the fact that  they have startet to target in bright daylight suggests that the gloves are off.
    Maximization of skilled personnel losses.
    They were avoiding that for 2 years.

    Edit : and by the way, the hospital was clearly hit by a failed AD missile.

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    It is same missile Arrow asked if it's Kinzhal - you can see some small wings there in the middle, that is why I considered it as Kalibr. Now it's clear. Friendly fire covered with massive propaganda of pesky Russkie attacking hospital.
    But looks that the locals don't eat that shit anymore.

    It looks like PAC3 or NASAMS missile dunno

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 08, 2024 6:44 pm

    Did Russia hit a cat or dog shelter too? The same tiresome propaganda that we were thrown during the Syrian conflict.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:47 pm

    Whether it was NASAMS, pac3, 5V55 , or KH101

    It’s irrelevant to me, many still think that looking good is still important

    Let me remind no other country has put themselves through the burden of fighting a chivalrous war like Russia has

    And it has cost 120k KIA and 3 times wounded

    I’m just glad the charade is over and I hope more happens

    The faster Ukrainian infrastructure and personnel are removed, the easier it will be for Russian troops to denazify the country

    This is a good thing people

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:54 pm





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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:58 pm

    Alamo spot on.

    Russia was targeting military objects in Kiev, and the strike on the hospital was caused by an AIM-120 air defense missile from the NASAMS system used by the Ukrainian side. This is evidenced by the proportional dimensions of the missile (diameter and length) and the nature of the damage (collapse of only a small part of the building and shrapnel damage on neighboring buildings). Footage showing shrapnel typical of air defense missiles was shared directly on Ukrainian Telegram channels.

    The length of the AIM-120 missile is 366 cm, the diameter is 17.8 cm, and the length-to-diameter ratio is 1/20.6. For the X-101, these parameters are 745 cm, 74.2 cm, with a ratio of 1/10, and for the Kh-55, they are 588 cm, 51.4 cm, with a ratio of 1/11.4. In the screenshot from the video, it is clearly visible that even with the angle of the footage, the length of the missile exceeds its diameter by more than 15 times.

    Indirect evidence includes the absence of the characteristic sound of Russian missile engines (the whistle in the second video is present but differs from that of a X-101) and the arrival of the projectile from the western direction.

    @ukraine_watch

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:23 pm

    Seems clear that some EU loans to Ukraine are going straight back to EU companies. At a qiet time of year for electricity consumption. Bit like the US and LNG.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:28 pm

    Another down

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:45 pm

    Might be a while back given the ground cover but I can't remember a salvo like this

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    Post  Hole Mon Jul 08, 2024 9:33 pm

    Looks like BetAB´s. Not directly bunker busters, usually used to damage runways.

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    Post  Belisarius Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:42 pm


    And it has cost 120k KIA and 3 times wounded

    I wonder where the signs are, in Russian society, of these half a million casualties Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:03 am

    footage summary of the cruise missile strike on Kiev:

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/RF-Cruise-missile-strikes-at-Kiev:0

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    Post  mnztr Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:58 am

    JohninMK wrote:Seems clear that some EU loans to Ukraine are going straight back to EU companies. At a qiet time of year for electricity consumption. Bit like the US and LNG.

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    just blow those lines. Whats so hard about that, When they arrive to fix them, kill them. dunno

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    Post  nomadski Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:34 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:footage summary of the cruise missile strike on Kiev:

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/RF-Cruise-missile-strikes-at-Kiev:0


    Now do it again ! Same spot , same time of day ! Once a day , once a week or once a month , but no less . Cool


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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:42 am

    Obviously not the same, hence two different designations. Similar sure, but then again, we have 5-6 versions of base Al-31, as well.
    Su-35S - Izdeliye 117s or AL-41F-1S;
    Su-57 first stage -Izdeliye 117 or AL-41F-1

    Obviously totally different... one is a turboprop isn't it?

    So essentially the Su-57 got a stop gap engine based on the engine used in the Su-35.

    The Su-34 and Su-30 each had different engines again.

    Obviously the Su-57 is getting a new engine.

    So what are you bitching about... the 4th gen Flankers have Al-41s and the 5th gen Sukhois are likely going to have Al-51s.

    What is the problem?

    Whether it was NASAMS, pac3, 5V55 , or KH101

    It’s irrelevant to me, many still think that looking good is still important

    I would say the opposite... this was Ukrainian own goals and not an indication that Russia has taken the gloves off and is now fighting dirty.

    Might be a while back given the ground cover but I can't remember a salvo like this

    Looks like runway cratering munitions... often carried in large numbers in cluster bombs, often other times a single free fall rocket powered bomb that is released by parachute and when it gets to a specific height above the ground the rocket motor drives the bomb down into the dirt or runway surface and then the bomb explodes deep under ground with the intention of shattering underlying foundations or underground bunkers.

    Russia was targeting military objects in Kiev, and the strike on the hospital was caused by an AIM-120 air defense missile from the NASAMS system used by the Ukrainian side.

    Happy with the explainations and proof, but I would add that Kiev and HATO would very much likely hide HQs and important military units in childrens hospitals and Churches and orphanages, and pet sanctuaries, not to mention circuses and old peoples homes...

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:55 am

    GarryB wrote:

    Happy with the explainations and proof, but I would add that Kiev and HATO would very much likely hide HQs and important military units in childrens hospitals and Churches and orphanages, and pet sanctuaries, not to mention circuses and old peoples homes...

    Pretty soon, there will be an army of little puppies fighting in ranks of 404, so every strike will be animal and barbaric Laughing

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:25 am

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦Another destroyed M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA in the Pokrovsk direction. This is the 82nd confirmed loss of an American infantry fighting vehicle in the SMO zone.

    https://t.me/intelslava/62777

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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 09, 2024 11:29 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Obviously not the same, hence two different designations. Similar sure, but then again, we have 5-6 versions of base Al-31, as well.
    Su-35S - Izdeliye 117s or AL-41F-1S;
    Su-57 first stage -Izdeliye 117 or AL-41F-1

    Obviously totally different... one is a turboprop isn't it?

    So essentially the Su-57 got a stop gap engine based on the engine used in the Su-35.

    The Su-34 and Su-30 each had different engines again.

    Obviously the Su-57 is getting a new engine.

    So what are you bitching about... the 4th gen Flankers have Al-41s and the 5th gen Sukhois are likely going to have Al-51s.

    What is the problem?

    I don't see a turboprop in there but anyway...the 4th gen Su-27 Flanker family all have AL-31 engines.

    For example all the 4th generation Su-27's have the AL-31F, whilst the Su-33 have the uprated AL-31F3.
    Even the 4+ generation Flankers have AL-31 variants. The Su-34 have AL-31FM1's and the Su-30's have the AL-31FL/PL.
    Only Flankers of the 4++ generation have the AL-41F1S (Su-35 and Su-30SM2)
    The initial Su-57 have the AL-41F1 until the AL-51 becomes available.

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