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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #58

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    Post  lyle6 Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:27 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I know you guys hate TG and the Broenkors

    But Yuri Podolyaka, Alexander Sladkov, Evgeny Poddubnyy, Sasha Kots and other broenkors all met with Andrey Belousov and the MOD

    You guys can try to act like their opinion doesn’t matter but the minister of defense just sat down to a formal meeting with them to understand problems at the front

    Laughing
    Russia has military secrecy laws that have actual teeth. A very good mapper at the very start of the SMO was told off because his updates are bordering on breaching actual opsec.

    If these guys are still working it only means they are under the payroll of the Russian MoD working for their agenda. They are propagandists. Period. Take their shit with grains of salt.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:42 am

    Secondly, test flights from Romania in the direction of Odesa region have already been made and more than once. F-16s flew over Tulcea, flew to Vylkove and made several circles over Snake Island.

    And the Russians likely watched those test flights and calibrated their systems ready to knock down those aircraft.

    As long as those flights do not attack anything at all then they could be innocent HATO planes invited by Kiev to observe and exercise... much like a EU official visit to Kiev... but when they go armed and launch weapons they become legitmate targets... the weapons they launch the aircraft they fly and the BASE they OPERATE from.

    Thirdly, the fighters will be safer on the territory of NATO countries.

    They are safe now because they are not party to the conflict. As soon as they attack something then they are fair game no matter where they are.

    A strike on Alliance airfields would lead to total escalation, which is why it was officially announced that NATO infrastructure would be used by fighter jets to strike Russia.

    The use of HATO airfields to launch strikes on targets in Ukraine and Russia is already an escalation that justifies destroying the aircraft and the airfields.

    Let Romania cry for Article 5 like the pussies they are.

    If Romania is hosting Ukrainian forces and are allowing them to operate from their bases and attack Russian targets in Ukraine and Russia then Article 5 does not apply because they are the aggressor.

    If all else fails, Russia may use tactical nukes high over unpopulated areas of Ukraine to clear the sky of enemy fighters- no need to strike airbases in Poland & Romania.

    Not very effective use of any kind of nuke.

    While NATzO trash talks about war on Russia it is sending its last AD systems to the Kiev regime. Does not look to me like these clowns
    are expecting a Russian attack. If they were, then they would be giving the Kiev regime nothing. There are no replacements in ample
    quantity.

    I suspect they are hoping Russia will send AWACS and Su-35s and MiG-31s to fire long range shots at airbases in HATO areas... if they are sending the last of their Patriot batteries to Kiev it will be near the front to attack those AWACS and fighters from below in sniper type set ups... a launcher with one or two Patriots and a radar set up to launch and try to get hits before they get destroyed. Nobody cares about destroyed Patriots but if they could actually claim a Patriot kill against a Flanker or Foxhound or A-50 then they will probably think that is worth it.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 13, 2024 7:55 am

    They can claim any kill, any moment.
    Patriot will intercept Russian Lunar base any moment now.
    Inventflix is running 24/7 to make a meta world, while the real one is crumbling.
    Do you think they need a situation to happen, to claim it was happening? Laughing

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    Post  Lapain Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:27 am

    A very interesting comment from Two Majors TG in response to Junker channel which advocated for further mobilization in order to capitalize on advances and breakthroughs.



    "A very short and very succinct analysis of what is happening at the front . I have written many times that movement is the only panacea for excessive positional losses under drones. But there is an important nuance here that eludes “Junker” (https://web.telegram.org/a/#-1002138767726).

    In 2023, the enemy tested in certain sectors of the front a global digital target analysis and combat control system ( ATCS ), which is capable of simultaneously observing the entire front and in real time redistributing firepower efforts to the required areas.

    In 2024, this system became fully operational during our offensive operation in Kharkov , which, together with other efforts, made it possible to quickly break down the offensive impulse.

    Further more. This system has its own “NATO” military language, unified with all means of reconnaissance and destruction of the alliance. Now all units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces are studying it, abandoning the military “surzhik” “Nettle”.

    When this system is fully deployed , the flexibility of the enemy's defense will increase significantly .

    What is the weakness of each section of the front separately? In the limited means of destruction, reconnaissance and the narrowness of the commander’s capabilities. At the point of interaction between different combat units , a significant part of the effectiveness of command and control is lost.

    Now imagine that the center for making all defensive decisions, together with the reconnaissance complex, is moved beyond the competence of individual commanders, and each of them knows every second not only the combat situation in himself and his neighbors, but also receives precise instructions about the types and intensity of fire impact on the enemy.

    The effectiveness of such defense increases significantly due to the elimination of “friction” and “subjectivity” of individual commanders. This is the kind of defense that you will have to deal with when trying to break into operational space.

    The only available panacea for such automated control systems is the destruction of communication means for the base terminals through which control occurs . In our case, this is Starlink satellite Internet and Ukrainian cellular communications. To overcome a section of the front equipped with an automated control system, it is necessary to completely shut down the operation of satellite communication terminals and destroy cellular communication towers.

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    If what described here is true, then it is a headache for Russian strategy of movement inside 404 and could extend the conflict far beyond 2026, perhaps into unsustainable grounds. Perhaps the best way of retaliation in due course would be a coordinated and crippling strike against NATO's LEO constellation, specifically Starlink. Would European populations rush towards WW3 for some billionaire's assets getting blown up by S-500? I kinda doubt it.

    For such thing to occur, it would first require NATO's own ruthless escalation into levels fully justifying the Russian reaction and above all, surprise strike after months of passivity. This might be the reason why it might not be judicious to shoot down NATO intel assets in the Black Sea for the moment.

    Hopefully the MOD has devised plans against those NATO intel networks evolving over their heads, just as they did in the 1960s.





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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:46 am

    Lapain wrote:
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    If what described here is true, then it is a headache for Russian strategy of movement inside 404 and could extend the conflict far beyond 2026, perhaps into unsustainable grounds. Perhaps the best way of retaliation in due course would be a coordinated and crippling strike against NATO's LEO constellation, specifically Starlink. Would European populations rush towards WW3 for some billionaire's assets getting blown up by S-500? I kinda doubt it.



    The only option is to Jam it. Considering you are dealing with THOUSANDS of Satellites and they replacing it rapidly thanks to Falcon-9. No amount of Nudol will be enough to take down the whole system.
    Also not just Europe, as Starlink is worldwide, taking down European part is likely cause disruption in other part of the world too. and those outside might not be happy too.

    Attack on NATO Recon asset tho, can be especially in Black Sea, question is when those up there will allow that.

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    Aside from that tho, why not try living with Starlink signal ? It's a potent source for Non-cooperative transmitter for Bi-static or Multistatic radar application. Works in X-band and you can even try figure how to use it for passive GMTI Capability, put it in UAV and use it to observe moving targets, or aircrafts. The future Starlink will feature S-band link for direct to cellphone connection, more diversity in your potential Bistatic system.

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    Post  PhSt Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:41 am


    Considering you are dealing with THOUSANDS of Satellites and they replacing it rapidly thanks to Falcon-9

    This is OT but where is Russia's own Thousand fleet of satellites and its counterpart to the Falcon 9, if these systems can play such a decisive role in warfare, Russia should have developed similar systems to keep a high level of warfighting capabilities against adversaries like NATzO
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:50 am

    Lapain wrote:A very interesting comment from Two Majors TG in response to Junker channel which advocated for further mobilization in order to capitalize on advances and breakthroughs.




    Now imagine that the center for making all defensive decisions, together with the reconnaissance complex, is moved beyond the competence of individual commanders, and each of them knows every second not only the combat situation in himself and his neighbors, but also receives precise instructions about the types and intensity of fire impact on the enemy.

    The effectiveness of such defense increases significantly due to the elimination of “friction” and “subjectivity” of individual commanders. This is the kind of defense that you will have to deal with when trying to break into operational space.

    The only available panacea for such automated control systems is the destruction of communication means for the base terminals through which control occurs . In our case, this is Starlink satellite Internet and Ukrainian cellular communications. To overcome a section of the front equipped with an automated control system, it is necessary to completely shut down the operation of satellite communication terminals and destroy cellular communication towers.
    "


    If what described here is true, then it is a headache for Russian strategy of movement inside 404 and could extend the conflict far beyond 2026,

    Blah, blah, blah, digital wunderwaffe and other voodoo.
    Do you at least understand that moving the decision-making center beyond the boundaries of a combat operation will, by definition, lead to distorted information and often critically incorrect decisions?
    Why do you think that awareness of the state of affairs among neighbors will generally lead to increased efficiency, rather than creating a "domino effect" when the front crumbles because neighboring units will falter after learning about heavy losses somewhere?
    What kind of nonsense is being broadcast on this topic, especially with links to such "experts" as the channel of proxy khokhols "Two Majors".

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:57 am

    [quote="Stealthflanker"]
    Lapain wrote:

    No amount of Nudol will be enough to take down the whole system.
    Also not just Europe, as Starlink is worldwide, taking down European part is likely cause disruption in other part of the world too.  and those outside might not be happy too.

    This is not how orbital mechanics works. Thousands of satellites, right? Have you heard about the Kessler effect? Is a large array of dominoes resistant to external influences?
    In addition, a satellite constellation used in an armed conflict does not require the disabling of thousands of satellites - the main purpose is the mission control center and the satellite production site. Also add launch pads to the list. This is a maximum of dozens of targets, not thousands.
    Just stop pushing the logic of armed conflict into idiotic fictional frameworks.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:10 am

    PhSt wrote: if these systems can play such a decisive role in warfare,

    That is the question.

    That description of the IT system reads almost as if it was taken from the sales brochure of some US military software company based on 20 years of non peer adversary R&D.

    Timely information can be a big help but in a situation like this SMO all it really does is tell you how far up shit creek you are as you do not have the quantity/quality of anything you need in the right place at the right time.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:14 am

    Just noticed in my photo above of the Kiev fire the special nature of the fire engine in it. 

    It looks like an airfield fire engine shooting foam.

    They hit a bullseye there.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:50 am

    Lapain wrote:If what described here is true...

    Pfftt..  more Ukropi/NATOstani yabbering and the predictable repeats by Russian 5th column trash.   I don't care one iota about their endless propaganda bullshit.  Those bastards are being ground down into dogmeat and I'm content for Russia to continue at her own pace.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:15 pm

    Well, we'll see to that on an ex-post basis, if the F-16s for Kyiv based in Romania and Poland are of a defensive nature or not.
    Let NATO proceed with the starting initiative whether to attack Russia inside its territory or not.
    If they do, then Russia should defend itself by strikes on Romanian and Polish F-16 warehouses and airfields, and there will be no justification for invoking NATO's Article 5:

    Stoltenberg did not answer whether Ukraine will be allowed to hit Russia with F-16s, 06.13.2024.

    Stoltenberg did not answer whether Kyiv will be allowed to use F-16s for strikes on Russia.

    BRUSSELS, June 13 – RIA Novosti. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg did not directly answer journalists’ questions about whether Ukraine would be allowed to use Western F-16 fighters to strike Russian territory, but stressed that Kyiv has the right to defend itself, including striking military targets in the Russian Federation.

    Before the start of the meeting of the heads of the defence ministries of the alliance countries in Brussels , journalists asked the secretary general whether the countries supplying Kiev with F-16s would allow them to be used to carry out strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    In turn, Stoltenberg noted that NATO, together with Ukraine, is actively training pilots and personnel to service fighter jets. They try to complete this preparation as quickly as possible. Moreover, each NATO country has different restrictions on the use of its weapons.

    “I welcome that the alliance countries have reduced the level of restrictions or canceled them regarding strikes on military targets on Russian territory... I will not go into various aspects and details, I will only say that Ukraine has the right to defend itself, and we have the right to help it,” - said the NATO Secretary General. At the same time, he once again emphasized that the alliance’s actions do not mean participation in a military conflict.

    https://ria.ru/20240613/f-16-1952540320.html
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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:06 pm

    Intercpet UAVs over Russia

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:21 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    This is not how orbital mechanics works. Thousands of satellites, right? Have you heard about the Kessler effect? Is a large array of dominoes resistant to external influences?

    and given the size of the starlink Satellite, do you think destroying say 12 will create kessler syndrome ?


    In addition, a satellite constellation used in an armed conflict does not require the disabling of thousands of satellites - the main purpose is the mission control center and the satellite production site. Also add launch pads to the list. This is a maximum of dozens of targets, not thousands.

    yeah and where are these pads located ? US..

    which one is more retarded ? Suggesting war by direct attack on US manufacturing and launching site or just build a large jamming station to scramble the Starlink operation in the field.


    Just stop pushing the logic of armed conflict into idiotic fictional frameworks.

    How about if you actually grow some logic yourself ? instead the kind of hawkish retardation you showed here.  Given that Starlink is privately owned, there are more options to attack it than stupid waste of Nudol interceptors which better served for something like Kennen.  

    Also let's not forget if such Kessler effect do happen.. What is going to happen with Russian Satellites in the same orbital plane ? the ISS ? The weather satellites owned by non participant of the conflict ?  The point of military tactics is destruction of enemy assets with preferrably minimum expense of firepower and to protect your asset from destruction.


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    Post  franco Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:35 pm

    Close but no cigar...

    Russian MoD reports 1990 Ukrainian casualties in the past 24 hours.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:46 pm

    franco wrote:Close but no cigar...

    Russian MoD reports 1990 Ukrainian casualties in the past 24 hours.  

    This includes also "code 300" aka wounded soldiers or only "code 200", i.e. irretrievable losses?
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:00 pm

    500 welcome
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:26 pm

    ALAMO wrote:500 welcome

    Refusniks (soldiers who refuse to fight)?
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:36 pm

    Kiko wrote:Well, we'll see to that on an ex-post basis, if the F-16s for Kyiv based in Romania and Poland are of a defensive nature or not.
    Let NATO proceed with the starting initiative whether to attack Russia inside its territory or not.
    If they do, then Russia should defend itself by strikes on Romanian and Polish F-16 warehouses and airfields, and there will be no justification for invoking NATO's Article 5:

    What do you mean, 'defensive nature'?

    Defensive nature is if the F-16s are not only based in Romania and Poland, but stay in Romania and Poland. At all times.
    Them going on excursions to hit Russian forces on Ukrainian territory amounts to Romanian and Polish involvement in the war and an act of war against Russia, and nothing less. Doesn't matter if they go after targets on Russian territory.

    And if you allow them to get away with hitting the Russian military in the Ukraine from NATO territory, then yes they will progress to launching cruise missiles into Russia too. As I postulated earlier, they're already preparing to do that with the ATACMS anyhow.

    I don't understand the advantage of waiting until cruise missiles are raining upon Russia. You're only going to encourage the opponent to dare further and make it less likely that the whole thing can be de-escalated once it does come to open blows. The minute they target so much as a Russian field kitchen in the Ukraine they need to be clapped and clapped good.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:45 pm

    The whole debate is ridiculous.
    Putting your soldiers in someone else's uniform doesn't absolve you of any liability.

    If Russia bombs NYC with a Kinzhal and shows a pic of a Houthi pressing a red button, does that mean Russia "didn't do it"? Of course not.

    GAYTO are already committing acts of war vs Russia. Why? Because Russia refuses to challenge them.
    GAYTO instructors, GAYTO arms FAR FAR beyond anything the Pukrainian region could afford. GAYTO troops. Global Hawk real time assistance when there is no Earthly justification for those planes to be near Russian shores.

    In the Falklands War the USSR refused to supply intel support to Argentina, so why is GAYTO coordinating the attacks here?

    Most importantly, GAYTO (mostly the United Snakes) assisted (or did more) in the collapse of the USSR. This is an act of war. Installing terrorists ie actual Nazis to massacre and ethnically cleanse the pro Ru or ACTUAL Russian half of the Ukraine is also an act of war.

    GAYTO it seems is cowardly ready to support Banderite jet attacks on Russia or Russian people basically imprisoned in the former Pukraine by arming planes, fuelling them, providing the intel and guidance and then defending them when they land back in Romania/whatever again.

    Why the **** hasnt Russia given these scum a taste of their own medicine yet? Houthis actually SINKING big capital ships? Or "the Odessan Resistance" being given missiles to hit Washington DC from a fishing boat or whatever?

    Too many red lines being passed, and being used against Russia. This would never have happened in Cold War 1.
    Putin fucked up (much as I love him, but he admits he made a mistake himself). He needs to smell the coffee and scare these vermin in DC and Brussels. And get them to stop their Nazi and similar terrorist collaboration. NOW.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:01 pm

    No reason to overthink this

    A tekever 3 is a shitty drone

    Just use a similar shitty drone and hit an f35 barely as they did

    And you can fly a drone from some Inuits in Greenland into the Thule early warning radar and claim an accident

    But maybe this type of retaliation is so petty that no one cares to actually do it

    Better to just keep slaughtering hohols

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:18 pm

    I don't and won't give up on Russia.
    "It is not my intention (...) by expatiating on the variety, or the importance of the subject (...), since the merit of the choice would serve to render the weakness of the execution still more apparent, and still less excusable." Edward Gibbon's preface to the The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire .

    Zakharova: Russia, unlike NATO, did not have and does not have aggressive plans, 06.13.2024.

    Zakharova: Russia, unlike NATO, did not have and does not have aggressive plans.

    MOSCOW, June 13 - RIA Novosti. Russia did not and does not have any aggressive plans towards NATO, but Moscow understands that the North Atlantic alliance has them, said Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova.

    “We want to emphasize once again that Russia has not had and does not have any aggressive plans against NATO or its members. At the same time, we clearly understand that NATO has them,” Zakharova said during the briefing.

    She emphasized that provocative statements by Western politicians and military personnel about an “imaginary threat from the East” are aimed at indoctrinating the population.

    “We understand perfectly well that Washington does not need a peaceful Europe . The concept of controlled chaos has gone too far, now the ideologists of the US deep state literally demand even more blood, they need to flood the European continent with it. They are pushing the Europeans from their western end to the edge, to the cliff, to something that will help them survive the current collapse,” Zakharova concluded.

    https://ria.ru/20240613/zakharova-1952612636.html[/quote]

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:35 pm

    A Javelin direct hit of T-90M, filmed from inside the tank.

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    Post  franco Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:28 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    franco wrote:Close but no cigar...

    Russian MoD reports 1990 Ukrainian casualties in the past 24 hours.  

    This includes also "code 300" aka wounded soldiers or only "code 200", i.e. irretrievable losses?

    Does not specify.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:48 pm

    Jen’s Stoltenberg says the use of f16 over Russia is not an escalation

    Okay so then use of kh101 on the bases of those f16 is not an escalation

    It’s a basic syllogism

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