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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:12 pm

    Here some interesting comments on the announcement by Putin's on possible peace conditions from Scott Ritter (from his telegram channel)

    Scott Ritter wrote:Vladimir Putin just issued a major announcement during a speech delivered to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where he set forth conditions for and end to the Special Military Operation.

    As he had indicated at the Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum, Russia is prepared to accept peace on the basis of the April 2022 Istanbul Communique, updated to reflect the current realities concerning Russian territorial integrity.

    While Putin’s proposal was immediately rejected by Ukraine, the fact is Ukraine was not the intended audience.

    Putin’s announcement was timed to impact the Switzerland Peace Conference, scheduled to begin on June 15.

    It is also intended to influence discussions at the NATO Summit scheduled to convene in Washington DC in July.

    The fact is, this offer is a very good offer—the best Ukraine and NATO could hope for.

    But it has next to zero chance of being accepted by the West.

    However, Putin has sowed the seeds of future dissent within the West, when the consequences of rejecting his offer become apparent as Russia continues to advance and make the cost of continuing a losing proposition too high for the West.

    There will be a future peace offer put out by the Russians in the not so distant future.

    But that one will be far more punitive than that which Putin put on the table today.

    It is not about the west, it is to show the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, South America) that Russia does not want war.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:14 pm

    "Kyiv rejected Russia's new peace proposal.

    Advisor to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Mikhail Podolyak, stated that Putin’s new initiative to resolve the conflict allegedly does not contain a “real peace proposal.”

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:26 pm

    Arrow wrote:"Kyiv rejected Russia's new peace proposal.

    Advisor to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Mikhail Podolyak, stated that Putin’s new initiative to resolve the conflict allegedly does not contain a “real peace proposal.”

    No problem. Next proposal will have in it also Kharkov, Odessa,Nikolaev and Dnepropetrovsk.

    The following one will have Kirovgrad, Poltava, Sumi Chernigov and Kiev.

    And finally they will sign the capitulation giving Russia all of 404 until the polish border.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:29 pm

    They can leave a piece around Lvov and Ternopol.
    There must be some space to deport banderits that will be found.
    Let them sit there enjoying superb Ukrainian ancient civilization while shitting behind the barn.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:32 pm

    ALAMO wrote:They can leave a piece around Lvov and Ternopol.
    There must be some space to deport banderits that will be found.
    Let them sit there enjoying superb Ukrainian ancient civilization while shitting behind the barn.  
    ah for that they can found a nova Ukraina in Canada or Australia instead of polluting the old continent.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:35 pm

    Canada works fine for me, they will reunite with the old core banderit scum living there since 40s.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:39 pm

    If Putin thinks Russia should give up and just have the 5 oblasts, he needs to step down. OR be stepped down.
    End of story.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:52 pm

    Arrow wrote:"Kyiv rejected Russia's new peace proposal.

    Advisor to the head of the office of the President of Ukraine, Mikhail Podolyak, stated that Putin’s new initiative to resolve the conflict allegedly does not contain a “real peace proposal.”

    I just seen a video of a man getting kidnapped and shoved into a van

    And I thought it’s crazy Ukrainians don’t resist this

    But then I realized , they have no intention to resist they just think it will go away on its own

    So what should happen is that their electricity , sewage system, water supply should all be destroyed

    At least they can run away to Europe and they can try to kidnap them there

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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:59 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Right. Interestingly, during the negotiations in Istanbul, Russia did not want these districts. The controversial issue was Donbas.
    It is known that the West will not participate in these negotiations and talks. So, in time, Russia may order even more.

    At this point the US is unlikely to concede to Putin's proposal anyway - and he knows it. Despite all the bravado from the west and the cheering trolls on here - 404 and NATzo will never be able to destroy Russia. The longer this proxy-war continues the more territorial claims will be made from the Russian side - including Odessa etc.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:04 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    I just seen a video of a man getting kidnapped and shoved into a van
    And I thought it’s crazy Ukrainians don’t resist this
    But then I realized , they have no intention to resist they just think it will go away on its own
    So what should happen is that their electricity , sewage system, water supply should all be destroyed
    At least they can run away to Europe and they can try to kidnap them there

    I am quite surprised that you are surprised.
    This shit is going on for more than a year now.
    Even before "mighty peremoga Summer offensive" they were already short of meat, and that sort of things started to appear in the net.
    And it is not true they don't resist.
    They do.
    There are regular battles in all villages going on.
    This week alone, we had a regular war between "ChVK" and paramedics, who performed a classic hostage rescue operation after one of their teams was hold by force inside the building. Where they arrived at a call from an already hostage Surprised Shocked Laughing
    You can find films, where some folks are describing cars parked along Tisa river, that can be collected by anyone who wants - the owners are either on the other side of a river, or the other side of the rainbow bridge ...
    A whole situation out there is, that Ukraine turned into a clear example of military-ruled camp where cannon fodder is raised. It is a pure totalitarian regime, being hold by iron hand of secret services, military and oligarchy.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:06 pm

    mr drunken wrote:What arrogance from Putin... nevertheless I am sure Ukraine does not care what is his opinion or to be more precise they care to learn his concerns and do EXACTLY opposite. They will not stop, it does not matter if it takes 10-20-30 or more years... Russia is now in permanent war ladies and gentlemen.

    In fact Putin is quite generous. Btw Russia has been at war with the modern day west since 1917 - or rather the west has been at war with Russia since 1917.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:07 pm

    404 and NATzo will never be able to destroy Russia. The longer this proxy-war continues the more territorial claims will be made from the Russian side - including Odessa etc. wrote:

    Additionally, Russia will end this conflict with a population of approximately 170 million people. Overall, similar to the USSR after World War II, although they had a demographic boom after the war.

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    Post  billybatts91 Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:13 pm

    Putin looks weak when proposing these peace deals...Why is he doing this publicly?

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    A whole situation out there is, that Ukraine turned into a clear example of military-ruled camp where cannon fodder is raised. It is a pure totalitarian regime, being hold by iron hand of secret services, military and oligarchy.
    The interesting development of all of this is that in a few months most folks from north west Ukraine will be ready welcome the Russian troops as liberators Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:They can leave a piece around Lvov and Ternopol.
    There must be some space to deport banderits that will be found.
    Let them sit there enjoying superb Ukrainian ancient civilization while shitting behind the barn.  

    Ukrian Idlib.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:22 pm

    Banderites can go to EU or Canada.

    No need to keep them in Ukraine.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:27 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:Putin looks weak when proposing these peace deals...Why is he doing this publicly?

    Don't you know that the actual deal is a secret - where they take the whole lot up to Dunkirk. Exclamation

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:41 pm

    Mir wrote:
    mr wrote:What arrogance from Putin... nevertheless I am sure Ukraine does not care what is his opinion or to be more precise they care to learn his concerns and do EXACTLY opposite. They will not stop, it does not matter if it takes 10-20-30 or more years... Russia is now in permanent war ladies and gentlemen.

    In fact Putin is quite generous. Btw Russia has been at war with the modern day west since 1917 - or rather the west has been at war with Russia since 1917.

    I'd push that back by more than a century. The West has been at war with Russia since at least the Napoleonic period (Napoleon and then the "great game" between the British and Russians over central Asia) and maybe as far back as Ekaterina, hell possibly as far back as Peter.

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    Post  Mir Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:45 pm

    Very true but I am referring to modern times. For centuries everyone wanted a piece of Russia.

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    Post  Hole Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:27 pm

    Nah, what I meant was 200+300
    Following Ukro math rules the result is something between 508 and 715.  scratch

    Who needs a nuke?
    ODAB-1500?

    And at the end of the tunnel, there will be only one looser other than 404 itself - Europe as a whole.
    The US looses, too. They are just to dumb to get it.
    Currently the "country" is in a much sadder/worse state than Europe.
    So damaging the EU countries just levels the playfield for the US.
    For a few years.

    It is not about the west, it is to show the rest of the world (Africa, Asia, South America) that Russia does not want war.
    Exactly.
    Putin can turn to any country in the Global South and tell them that he did everything to avoid a further
    escalation.
    Most of the time a russian official comes up with those proposals before the next stage of actions by the
    Russian Armes Forces.
    Lets see what happens next...

    And finally they will sign the capitulation giving Russia all of 404 until the polish border.
    If they don´t do it at this point Warsaw is next on the list.  lol1 lol1 lol1

    Canada works fine for me, they will reunite with the old core banderit scum living there since 40s.
    After that Canadian politicians will be surprised because right-wing parties are getting stronger
    in the next elections.

    Ukrian Idlib.
    Idlib is keeping Syria from a real re-unification and peace.
    So it´s not a good idea to keep such a cancerous area.

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:48 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of the special military operation (for the period from June 8 to June 14, 2024)

    From June 8 to June 14 this year, in response to attempts by the Kiev regime to damage Russian energy facilities, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out 19 group strikes with precision air and ground-based weapons, as well as strike unmanned aerial vehicles, during which energy facilities that provided the work of military-industrial enterprises were hit the complex of Ukraine. In addition, the infrastructure of military airfields, storages of Storm Shadow cruise missiles and other aviation weapons, ammunition and explosives depots, workshops for the production of attack unmanned aerial vehicles, places of preparation for the use of unmanned boats, as well as temporary locations of nationalist formations and foreign mercenaries were affected.

    During the week, the units of the North group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense during the course of combat operations. The manpower and equipment of four formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a marine brigade, as well as two air defense brigades and two brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine were defeated. 45 counterattacks of enemy assault groups were repelled. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine amounted to 1,710 servicemen, two armored combat vehicles, 32 vehicles, three combat vehicles of the Grad multiple launch rocket system, 16 field artillery guns, three electronic warfare stations Bukovel-AD and Nota, as well as eight field ammunition depots.

    During the week, more advantageous borders were occupied by the active actions of the units of the Zapad group of troops and the settlements of Artemovka of the Luhansk People's Republic and Timkovka of the Kharkiv region were liberated. Units of five mechanized, tank, assault and airmobile brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the defense forces, as well as three brigades of the National Guard of Ukraine were defeated. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost up to 3,405 servicemen, four armored combat vehicles, 32 vehicles, 30 field artillery guns, including seven M777 howitzers manufactured by the United States. In addition, three electronic warfare stations and four AFU field ammunition depots were destroyed.

    During the week, the units of the "Southern" group of troops improved the situation along the front line, and also defeated the manpower and equipment of six mechanized, airmobile, motorized infantry and two airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as two air defense units. The enemy lost up to 3,785 military personnel, 11 armored combat vehicles, 48 vehicles, 39 field artillery guns, of which 14 were Western-made. 22 field ammunition depots were also destroyed.

    The units of the Center group of forces improved the tactical situation and defeated the formations of four infantry, four mechanized, as well as the airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the defense forces. 34 enemy counterattacks were repelled. During the week in this direction, the total enemy losses amounted to 2,375 soldiers, 14 armored combat vehicles, including four Bradley infantry fighting vehicles made in the USA and two Marder infantry fighting vehicles made in Germany, six vehicles, as well as 52 field artillery guns, including ten M777 howitzers made in the USA.

    The units of the Vostok group of forces continued to advance into the depth of the enemy's defense and liberated the settlement of Staromayorskoye in the Donetsk People's Republic. They defeated accumulations of manpower and equipment of the motorized infantry, two mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, three brigades of the defense forces and formations of the National Guard of Ukraine. The enemy lost up to 965 soldiers, two tanks, six armored combat vehicles, 29 vehicles, two combat vehicles of the Vampire multiple rocket launcher system manufactured in the Czech Republic and 12 field artillery guns. In addition, three electronic warfare stations "Enclave" and "Nota" were destroyed.

    The units of the Dnepr group of troops defeated the formations of three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a brigade of marines and a compound of the National Guard of Ukraine. The enemy's losses amounted to 555 soldiers, 37 vehicles, 26 field artillery guns, of which seven were foreign-made.

    An air defense system shot down a MiG-29 fighter jet, as well as two Mi-8 helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force. In addition, during the week, 13 ATACMS tactical missiles manufactured in the USA, three Patriot anti-aircraft missiles manufactured in the USA, two Neptune anti-ship missiles, two HARM anti-radar missiles manufactured in the USA, eight Hammer guided bombs manufactured in France and JDAM manufactured in the USA, 46 HIMARS rockets, "Vampire", "Hurricane" and "Alder", as well as 465 unmanned aerial vehicles. Su-27 and Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force were destroyed at the airfields.

    During the week, 46 Ukrainian servicemen surrendered on the line of contact.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 613 aircraft, 276 helicopters, 25,791 unmanned aerial vehicles, 529 anti-aircraft missile systems, 16,329 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 1,337 multiple rocket launchers, 10441 field artillery and mortars, as well as 22,542 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12516664@egNews

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    Post  franco Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:50 pm

    Russian MoD reported 12,795 Ukrainian casualties over the past 7 days.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:16 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:They can leave a piece around Lvov and Ternopol.
    There must be some space to deport banderits that will be found.
    Let them sit there enjoying superb Ukrainian ancient civilization while shitting behind the barn.  

    Ukrian Idlib.

    There may need to be something left that can be called 'Ukraine' to hang all the debts on.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:28 pm

    Hole wrote:Exactly.
    Putin can turn to any country in the Global South and tell them that he did everything to avoid a further
    escalation.
    Most of the time a russian official comes up with those proposals before the next stage of actions by the
    Russian Armes Forces.
    Lets see what happens next...
    I suspect the response, on top of military strikes as normal, will be a huge economic move against the gradual G7 seizing of Russian assets. Billions of Western assets to be nationalised.

    Meanwhile the BRICS settlement currency plans move at top speed and Saudi does not renew the 50 year Pertro$ agreement when it expired on the 5th June. The Western political class seems to have no idea how to cope (if they see it) with the financial tsunami heading there way apart from finding some excuse for declaring war in perhaps 3 months time.

    Strangely Coca Cola yesterday, after the G7 grab, applied for their trademarks in Russia.

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    Post  Broski Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:51 pm

    kvs wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:They can leave a piece around Lvov and Ternopol.
    There must be some space to deport banderits that will be found.
    Let them sit there enjoying superb Ukrainian ancient civilization while shitting behind the barn.  

    Ukrian Idlib.

    Ukrainian Gaza. I'm all for it if the Banderites get the same sort of treatment as the Palestinians do from Israel. Nothing good would come from annexing Galicia (since they'd never vote in favor of joining Russia, nor would any sane Russian want them). Historically speaking, every single Country, Kingdom, Empire and Union that took in the Galicians was eventually destroyed... all of them.

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