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    Post  zorobabel Fri May 24, 2024 3:25 pm

    Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

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    Post  thegopnik Fri May 24, 2024 3:42 pm

    -more S-400s getting destroyed, Production for ATACMs doesn't stop and will only increase.
    -Impossible to find a Russian military official that won't get bribed.
    -current pace of war suggests Ukraine can muster another counter offensive in 2025 by the time Russia reaches Kiev.
    What a clown show, which is why I just check this war weekly than everyday now.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri May 24, 2024 3:55 pm

    thegopnik wrote:-more S-400s getting destroyed, Production for ATACMs doesn't stop and will only increase.
    -Impossible to find a Russian military official that won't get bribed.
    -current pace of war suggests Ukraine can muster another counter offensive in 2025 by the time Russia reaches Kiev.
    What a clown show, which is why I just check this war weekly than everyday now.

    and all this time its because I thought the Ukes pulled off a PR stunt on Fridays so they could get maximum traction for Saturday and Sunday news shows in the west, which is what this is. You are a mouse and they have the cheese and every time you run for the cheese

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri May 24, 2024 3:56 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    Then what ? Nuclear war between NATO and Russia.. Leaving Ukraine in the middle of nuclear wasteland ?

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 3:59 pm

    NATO missile units using NATO equipment manned by NATO personnel using reconnaissance data from NATO satellites and other means are attacking targets inside Russia and outside the bounds of any possible contested territory.

    And the escalation will only continue as others have said. I think Russia has no choice, it should start counter-attacking against NATO bases on the border with the Ukraine as well. I don't think it will cool any heads but again the red line has been crossed and things will only get worse.

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    Post  Hole Fri May 24, 2024 4:02 pm

    er Redsamurai84, who has posted decades worth of Soviet/Russian military parades, "the commander of the 20th Combined Arms Army, Major General Suhrab Akhmedov has been relieved of his command. He was repeatedly involved in failed offensive operations with unjustified losses near Vuhledar
    Some dude on Facebook is not an official source.
    Even if the General was dismissed, that doens´t mean he was fired.
    If he has to take over a new command he has to be dismissed from his old post.

    He keeps trusting thr west's word. He needs to be firm and finish this job
    Judging by the interviews and speeches he gave in the last year... No, he doesn´t trust the west at all.

    Also, Reuters with unnamed sources?
    Please!  No


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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 4:05 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:Hope this isn't true...


    I don't see any mention of what 'sources'

    But if this is true then it essentially means that Putin has folded in the face of direct NATO attacks against Russia and agreed to a 'freeze' of the conflict that will only erupt all over again with a completely rebuilt Ukrainian army and supported even more by NATO within a few years time, backed by a revitalized and rebuilt military-industrial complex in the US and EU.

    That's why I'm skeptical about this report. Could well just be Western psyops timed with the strike on Armavir. It would take whatever advantages Russia currently enjoys and convert them into a losing play.

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    Post  Hole Fri May 24, 2024 4:08 pm

    For months officials in Russia are stating over and over again that there will be no ceasefire and no freezing
    of the conflict.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 4:09 pm

    Hole wrote:For months officials in Russia are stating over and over again that there will be no ceasefire and no freezing
    of the conflict.

    Yeah that goes without saying but we all know what the historical record has been with Russia being too eager to rush to all sorts of treaties and ceasefires and paper agreements.

    So this report touches a nerve even if it's highly likely to be BS.

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    Post  zorobabel Fri May 24, 2024 4:12 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    Then what ? Nuclear war between NATO and Russia.. Leaving Ukraine in the middle of nuclear wasteland ?

    It's been fairly clear from day one that NATO wants to goad Russia into conducting a limited tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine. GAE / NATO would not respond with nukes but would seek to turn Russia into a pariah state, then they can focus on China. That's why the escalation is slow and calculated. You will see, as I said before, an increasing frequency of strikes on Russia's strategic assets, including deep inside Russian territory. This isn't all conjecture, btw, but is based on some first-hand info. As for a solution, it's fairly obvious the only way to bring it to an end would be to push Ukraine to the western shores of the Dnipro. Not sure anyone in the Russian state is committed to that, since it would require more than a million soldiers based on the current rate of progress.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 4:12 pm

    thegopnik wrote:-more S-400s getting destroyed, Production for ATACMs doesn't stop and will only increase.
    -Impossible to find a Russian military official that won't get bribed.
    -current pace of war suggests Ukraine can muster another counter offensive in 2025 by the time Russia reaches Kiev.
    What a clown show, which is why I just check this war weekly than everyday now.

    You should learn to stop panicking and spreading defeatism like a whiny b***h

    This is a very serious situation we're on the cusp of now and no sooner has it occurred do you appear with your criticism before any response can possibly be determined.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 4:15 pm

    zorobabel wrote:It's been fairly clear from day one that NATO wants to goad Russia into conducting a limited tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine. GAE / NATO would not respond with nukes but would seek to turn Russia into a pariah state, then they can focus on China. That's why the escalation is slow and calculated. You will see, as I said before, an increasing frequency of strikes on Russia's strategic assets, including deep inside Russian territory. This isn't all conjecture, btw, but is based on some first-hand info. As for a solution, it's fairly obvious the only way to bring it to an end would be to push Ukraine to the western shores of the Dnipro. Not sure anyone in the Russian state is committed to that, since it would require more than a million soldiers based on the current rate of progress.

    That's what they're doing

    Only at their own pace, and at a time and place most convenient and safe for Russia, rather than going for some mad rush with thousands of casualties only to then over-extend your own forces and face the risk of a counter-offensive from NATO forces positioned right at the Ukrainian border. Russia's military elites have surely taken the lessons of the Polish-Soviet war of 1920-1921 to heart.

    And NATO trying to provoke Russia into going for something like that is something that should be countered by giving NATO the same medicine that it's dishing out. Right now NATO is targeting Russian early warning radars. Analogous NATO radars in the Czech Republic or Poland would have to be the response. This could well mean direct war but then so be it, there's no appeasing NATO and they have their mind to provoking war regardless, which they will achieve.

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    Post  Mir Fri May 24, 2024 4:21 pm

    zorobabel wrote: That's why the escalation is slow and calculated.

    Russia is dictating the pace here and it is working perfectly in terms of the SMO's objectives.

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    Post  Mir Fri May 24, 2024 4:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    But if this is true then it essentially means that Putin has folded in the face of direct NATO attacks against Russia and agreed to a 'freeze' of the conflict that will only erupt all over again with a completely rebuilt Ukrainian army and supported even more by NATO within a few years time, backed by a revitalized and rebuilt military-industrial complex in the US and EU.

    That's why I'm skeptical about this report. Could well just be Western psyops timed with the strike on Armavir. It would take whatever advantages Russia currently enjoys and convert them into a losing play.

    Reuters, CNN, Forbes, Business Insider etc, etc is just not worth responding to...

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    Post  ucmvulcan Fri May 24, 2024 4:25 pm

    zorobabel wrote:
    Stealthflanker wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    Then what ? Nuclear war between NATO and Russia.. Leaving Ukraine in the middle of nuclear wasteland ?

    It's been fairly clear from day one that NATO wants to goad Russia into conducting a limited tactical nuclear strike on Ukraine. GAE / NATO would not respond with nukes but would seek to turn Russia into a pariah state, then they can focus on China. That's why the escalation is slow and calculated. You will see, as I said before, an increasing frequency of strikes on Russia's strategic assets, including deep inside Russian territory. This isn't all conjecture, btw, but is based on some first-hand info. As for a solution, it's fairly obvious the only way to bring it to an end would be to push Ukraine to the western shores of the Dnipro. Not sure anyone in the Russian state is committed to that, since it would require more than a million soldiers based on the current rate of progress.

    NATO will get that tactical strike on Ukraine, but Europe and North America probably get hit with strategic attacks.

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    Post  Mir Fri May 24, 2024 4:28 pm

    An upgraded wunderwaffe Neutral

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    Post  ALAMO Fri May 24, 2024 4:36 pm

    Not so wunder anymore 😈

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 24, 2024 4:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:I guess that are the rumors assisting Yanuk/Batka/Vova "summit" that is going on right now.
    Some political solutions might be riping up.
    Those does not involve Cocainsky, clearly Laughing

    If the strike against the Armavir early warning system was an initiative of Zelensky, using only the Ukraine's own capabilities (although I don't understand with what) - then he has become a major liability and will have to be taken out before he provokes WW3.

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    Post  Mir Fri May 24, 2024 4:39 pm

    There is the hope that this time they will reach the first defensive line - NOT What a Face
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    Post  caveat emptor Fri May 24, 2024 4:49 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    From military perspective, Ukraine doesn't have any reasons to hit targets like these and this is done solely for purpose of goading Russia and n NATO's behest.
    On the other hand, since this radar is of strategic value for Russia, fact that was hit with long range drones is amazing. Few Tunguskas or even Shilkas would be enough to protect it. Another example of complacency and lack of preventive action of Russian command.

    On S-400 hit:

    https://t.me/milinfolive/122838

    It is stupid and pointless to deny losses, especially when the enemy publishes drone footage and merged photos. It is important to understand the causes of such losses in order to prevent them in the future.

    So, on May 22, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched a missile strike with MGM-140 ATACMS cluster missiles at the air defense position of the Russian army in the area of the Mospino airfield, DPR.

    Judging by the footage published by the enemy, the 96L6-CPU active-passive radar complex, developed for the S-350 Vityaz air defense system, was destroyed during the attack. Probably, the complex worked in conjunction with the S-400 Trumf air defense system. In addition, four 5P85SM2-01 launchers from the battery were lost. As you can see, the calculations of the air defense system fought back literally until the very last moment.

    Recently, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been conducting systematic attacks on our air defense positions using cluster munitions. This is due both to the new supplies of ATACMS missiles and to the prompt receipt of intelligence information from satellites and aircraft of NATO countries. Another factor is the inability of the air defense to control the situation and hit targets in the "no access" format, which was talked about so much and enthusiastically before the first real clashes with the threat.

    To counter such attacks, it is necessary, first of all, to establish a unified airspace control system, increase the quantitative composition of air defense in threatened areas and constantly maneuver existing forces. At the same time, as you can see, the components of the SAM were close to each other at each impact, which makes it possible to hit the entire battery entirely with only one incoming cluster missile. This leads to the obvious conclusion that it is necessary not only to maneuver the batteries entirely, but also to disperse the machines inside the battery to each other over a considerable distance.

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    Akhmedov, "butcher of Ugledar" and few other places, is out, hopefully for good.

    https://t.me/milinfolive/122806

    It is reported that the commander of the 20th Combined Arms Army of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Lieutenant General Sukhrab Akhmedov, has resigned.

    This general, who has successfully passed the strictest negative selection within the army structure, has been repeatedly mentioned both by our channel and by some others, purely in a negative way.

    It seems that the reward has caught up with its "hero" after all.

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    Interesting comment from Viktor Murakhovski

    https://t.me/Viktor_Murakhovskiy/622

    Three tanks is not a platoon, but only three tanks

    I have never seen three tanks act together, harmoniously, at the same time – that is, they performed the task as a platoon. There were separate attempts, but the tanks acted separately, in the absence of interaction with each other. And these are only tanks, about interaction with infantry a little later.

    This remark concerns not only our opponents, but also affects our troops to a large extent. I don't know, maybe I didn't see the video, but everything I saw shows this – the lack of coordinated combat work at the platoon level. It's better to keep silent about the company and the battalion.

    The video shows three T-90M tanks that acted separately, even the time of their appearance on the battlefield was different. As a result, we lost two tanks. Electronic warfare equipment was not installed on any tank. No opposition to the enemy's FPV drones. No interaction with the infantry. No artillery cover.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 4:53 pm

    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    I have said it time and time again. And for year after a year.

    This is all Putin's fault.

    He has failed to retaliate against the West when Russia has been attacked. The West has hit Russia directly multiple times over the years, but Russia has never hit them back. Never.

    Putin's supporters have praised him for his seemingly everlasting restraint. They have said Putin is playing a long game and Russia cannot retaliate when attacked until it grows stronger.

    But what benefits has this non-retaliation policy brought Russia? I fail to see any. The West has, perhaps correctly, realized that they can do literally anything to Russia without Russia being willing (or able?) to retaliate in kind.

    This has put Russia to a very dangerous situation. Its nuclear facilities are now being attacked with Western weapons and Western guidance.

    Yes, I heard Russian leadership talk about "red lines" and such again this week. Russia said that they "may" attack Britain directly if British weapons are used against Russian territory. But the problem here is that nobody takes Russian threats seriously anymore.

    Russia now has to go over that very important line between threats and following their threats with concrete action. I don't believe Russia will do that. And thus it will be humiliated and the West will continue to strike strategic targets inside Russian territory with impunity.

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    Post  Arrow Fri May 24, 2024 4:56 pm

    I don't know how true it is?

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 4:57 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    zorobabel wrote:Ukraine hit a ballistic missile early warning radar site in Armavir. Damage to multiple buildings.

    https://x.com/krakek1/status/1793954582327918632

    As I said before, the creeping escalation will continue. This is NATO probing and a direct strike on a Russian strategic nuclear asset hundreds of kilometers within Russia.

    Then what ? Nuclear war between NATO and Russia.. Leaving Ukraine in the middle of nuclear wasteland ?


    Russia will do nothing even if the West destroys all of Russia's early warning radar sites.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri May 24, 2024 4:58 pm

    flamming_python wrote:NATO missile units using NATO equipment manned by NATO personnel using reconnaissance data from NATO satellites and other means are attacking targets inside Russia and outside the bounds of any possible contested territory.

    And the escalation will only continue as others have said. I think Russia has no choice, it should start counter-attacking against NATO bases on the border with the Ukraine as well. I don't think it will cool any heads but again the red line has been crossed and things will only get worse.

    You really believe Putin will do what you just suggested? Nothing in Putin's history as a leader of Russia suggests that he will act even now.

    At best Putin will shrug his shoulders.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri May 24, 2024 4:59 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    If the strike against the Armavir early warning system was an initiative of Zelensky, using only the Ukraine's own capabilities (although I don't understand with what) - then he has become a major liability and will have to be taken out before he provokes WW3.

    Yeah.. I could see that happen. I'm still believe there are still level headed man in NATO side that in position of decisionmaker.

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