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    Post  Hole Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:42 am

    Which ones?
    The medium and intermediate systems that will show up in the coming years after the morons in Washington decided
    to scrap the INF treaty and put their missiles into Germany.

    Israel will say it intercepted 101% of Iranian missiles.
    Their PR officer is "Ukrainian".

    It was a feel good PR shitshow
    A show which destroyed a lot of very expensive ABM and AD systems. Plus possibly some fighter jets, too.

    Only military sites were targeted.
    Waiting for western sat companies to show pictures of the destruction... Rolling Eyes

    Adding naval element, we can end up with a 2000 pcs salvo.
    Add the Tu-22M3 with Kh-22/Kh-32 missiles.

    effective air defense work looks like this.
    The missiles were intercepted by buildings, Ukro style.



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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:50 am

    Either Ahmadinejad is a sold out himself, hence raising question about the integrity of a genuine Iranian leader or what he said is true.

    Either way Iran is screwed, big time.

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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:45 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Either way Iran is screwed, big time.

    You should seriously consider using a milder curry as it appears to have an extremely negative effect on your senses.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:57 am

    Hole wrote:
    It was a feel good PR shitshow
    A show which destroyed a lot of very expensive ABM and AD systems. Plus possibly some fighter jets, too.

    A shitshow that effectively showed to the world that Iran (and of course, Russian also) has the ability to crush Tel Aviv (and Washington DC, also) "invincible" defense system if their are really provoked.

    The so-called "invincible" AA systems were completely silent. That is what Tehran (and probably Moskva) want to show to the world.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:03 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Add the Tu-22M3 with Kh-22/Kh-32 missiles.

    Yeah, but that won't make a big difference - 60 planes with a maximum of 3 missiles each.
    We can add Zircons and Onixes as well, as we have seen multiple cases of using them.
    And last but not least - Kinzhals.
    Still, it will make a maximal size of the Russkie salvo in a range of slightly more than 2000 missiles.
    This would be enough to kick the 40 mln size country back into the middle ages, as all that is needed for it is taking down less than 100 power plants and some big transformation hubs.
    Just use the Kinzhals to take down the dams, and you have a medium-sized EU member country half flooded and without any electricity generation/transfer options.
    Cannibalism would have started in a week.
    One salvo.

    And keep in mind that as someone has mentioned, they have way too many things to allocate to being focused on ballistic missiles. That will change very shortly, and we will see the rocket brigades number double pretty soon.
    It is all about the increased size of the Russian army.
    They tripled the size of the land forces in the last 2.5 years.
    And a "funny" observation - those data are coming from the ukro sources.
    It was Syrsky who stated that the number of tanks and IFVs in the Russian army doubled, and the artillery - tripled compared to 2022.
    It all makes perfect sense, and those new ballistic missiles brigades will get a 1000 km range Iskanders, and an upper tier of weapons with 2500 km range pretty soon.
    Yet it is Finland and Sweden as a new NATO members that makes the difference, not the tripling of the Russkie army, right? Laughing

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    You should seriously consider using a milder curry as it appears to have an extremely negative effect on your senses.

    He is using the one that you feels burning three times : when taking in, while getting out, and when you step into ... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:14 pm

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [2/10/2024 08:26]
    🇮🇷🚀🏴☠ Israeli Army Radio: Several air force bases were damaged due to the Iranian attack, but their infrastructure remains unaffected.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

    ResistanceTrench mirror, [2/10/2024 08:31]
    🇮🇷🚀🏴☠ Israeli media: The Iranian missiles destroyed buildings and maintenance workshops for warplanes at Israeli air force bases.

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    ResistanceTrench mirror, [2/10/2024 08:46]
    🇮🇷🚀🏴☠ "CNN": A large number of Iranian missiles hit the "Nevatim" base in the Negev desert.

    🔴The "Tel Nof" base, located more than 15 miles south of "Tel Aviv," was also struck multiple times during the Iranian attack.

    🚩 @ResistanceTrench

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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:23 pm


    @ Sujoy

    The problem with security services everywhere is that by nature they have to be secretive . They are then not subject to public scrutiny or oversight . In Iran this problem may be exacerbated by modest wages and low income . Plus , since the start of revolution , the right wing have used this section for political purposes or political control , rather than more directly for internal or external security . So by nature they become vulnerable to enemy infiltration .

    The way to fight this problem , is first and foremost by establishing a free and democratic political system . This leaves no motivation by any group to use this section for political purposes . Then operatives have to be paid a good wage and directed to only carry out security work . Since there is no longer a market out there to fight political opponents through violence or oppressive measures .

    Of course members of security , must be tested continuously by a specialist spy catcher , who poses as foreign agent trying to recruit or bribe . Other tests include , forcing them to walk on hot Coals , or putting them in perilous or life-threatening mock - up situations . They must be ready to " sacrifice , " their lives , in order to work !

    At the moment , procedures can be put in place , to save the lives of leaders and personnel . It is not that difficult . I just also say that , Iran can start sending ground troops to Lebanon to defend against any Israeli aggression . Why this is not done so , is a mystery to me . Although they say , there is no need , I think that Iranian troops on the border , will be a great morale boost .

    Rolling Eyes

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:29 pm

    Targeting workshops is quite effective strategy - there is a chance that planes there are not able to emergency start, so will stay there when attacked.
    The scale of hitting all that 3 bases is shocking, so no fukin' way they have not lost a serious numbers of planes.
    Where is Maxar when you need a good photos for aftermath? Busy elsewhere? Laughing

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:37 pm

    🇮🇷/🇮🇱 An Iranian ballistic missile remnant in the Negev

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10527
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:04 pm

    Mir wrote:You should seriously consider using a milder curry as it appears to have an extremely negative effect on your senses.
    It's a shame that your taste buds are so limited. But then you can't do without your refined palate of Dehydrated Cardboard that has an extremely negative effect on your IQ that's yet to reach double digits.
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:10 pm

    nomadski wrote:The way to fight this problem , is first and foremost by establishing a free and democratic political system
    You provided some valuable insights but a free and democratic political system is not a deterrent to corruption. Look how corrupt democratic states like US and EU are.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:15 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    nomadski wrote:The way to fight this problem , is first and foremost by establishing a free and democratic political system
    You provided some valuable insights but a free and democratic political system is not a deterrent to corruption. Look how corrupt democratic states like US and EU are.

    Not democratic . Mostly oligarchic and kleptocratic .

    Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:28 pm

    The scale of hitting all that 3 bases is shocking, so no fukin' way they have not lost a serious numbers of planes. Where is Maxar when you need a good photos for aftermath? Busy elsewhere? Laughing Like3 wrote:

    Israel of course denies it. Several dozen F 35Is would be a huge loss. It also shows how vulnerable the air force is to this type of attack. Of course, satellite photos will not appear. Unless the Russians make something public.
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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:35 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    It's a shame that your taste buds are so limited. But then you can't do without your refined palate of Dehydrated Cardboard that has an extremely negative effect on your IQ that's yet to reach double digits.

    Clearly you have forgotten that here in South Africa we have a very, very strong connection with India. Almost every town over here have a large Indian community. I have a particular liking for Indian cuisine, whether vegetarian or meaty. Tonight's menu will include a chicken curry and Basmati rice with some chardonnay. Laughing

    Typical Indian deserts suck though Razz

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:54 pm

    But they have a nice yoghurt based drink with lots of herbal. I love IT 👍 and IT is dry not sweet 🤭 IT is called lassi.  Ok, you can have IT sweet, too 😈

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:23 pm

    Sujoy wrote:You provided some valuable insights but a free and democratic political system is not a deterrent to corruption. Look how corrupt democratic states like US and EU are.

    USA and EU are neither free nor democratic.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:28 pm


    Likely Israel will retaliate . Offering quiet periods in missile activity , allows them a safe window of operations . Wave attacks are needed . But to keep their heads down and disrupt preparations , then continuous strikes are needed . Say one per hour , should do it ! Until they cease fire on all fronts .


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:16 pm

    Middle East Spectator, [2/10/2024 09:56]
    🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: 'Iran did not hit any of the airbases 'critical infrastructure', but they hit the administrative buildings and the maintenance hangars with pinpoint accuracy' – Channel 12

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    Middle East Spectator, [2/10/2024 10:01]
    🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: 'The Iranians showed a lot of restraint yesterday, but they also showed us they can hit wherever they want to hit' – Channel 12

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:18 pm

    🇮🇷 Ok, I'm seeing too many people confusing Iranian missiles, so here's some clarification:

    Fateh, Fattah and Fath are all Iranian ballistic missiles, but they are all different from one another. You cannot use these interchangably. The spelling is similar, but they're DIFFERENT missiles.

    Fateh (Fateh-110 and Fateh-313) written as فاتح in Persian, is a short range ballistic missile. It's extremely accurate, but its range is very limited. These are usually the missiles used by Iran when attacking targets in neighouring Iraq, or by Hezbollah inside Israel. Top image shows this missile.

    Fattah (Fattah-1 and Fattah-2) written as فتّاح in Persian, is a medium range hypersonic ballistic missile. It's extremely fast and very accurate. It was officially revealed in 2023, and Iran used it against Israel last night, in limited numbers alongside various other missiles. Bottom left image shows this missile.

    Fath (Fath-360) written as فتح in Persian, also known as BM-120 in export, is a short range satellite-guided tactical ballistic missile, which is launched from canisters. The system fills a similar role as the American HIMARS, and Russia allegedly acquired this system from Iran recently for use in Ukraine. Bottom right image shows it.

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10541

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:46 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    Israel of course denies it. Several dozen F 35Is would be a huge loss. It also shows how vulnerable the air force is to this type of attack. Of course, satellite photos will not appear. Unless the Russians make something public.
    Maintenance hangers will contain not only a number of planes under repair/upgrade but also stores of spare parts, all good to destroy. We keep mentioning F-35i but the F-15i as a bomb truck is probably as or more valuable to the IAF as they don't seem to face enemy SAMs or AAMs very often.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:31 pm

    Sujoy wrote:This is what it is all about. Advertisement of western SAM systems. How does an Iranian MRBM become exo atmospheric? Is there any MRBM in the world that goes exo atmospheric?

    Are Iran's missiles so terrible that they couldn't even hit Mossad's HQ?


    So you believe in Isnotreal propaganda "news" ? 110% Iranian missiles were intercepted, no zionist aggressors killed. Those vids with multiple explosions are fake, right? Im so comforted right now Razz Razz Razz

    BTW why air raid sirens were activated only after first explosions?

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:57 pm

    🇮🇱/🇮🇷 NEW: Israel has obscured today's satellite imagery of Nevatim airbase in the Negev with fake digital clouds, to avoid showing damage done by the Iranian missile strike

    https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/10565

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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:59 pm

    It's amazing that only one person died from the impact of approximately 200 missile.
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    Post  Mir Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:06 pm

    Arrow wrote:It's amazing that only one person died from the impact of approximately 200 missile.

    Even more amazing is that the sole victim is a Palestinian from Gaza seeking refuge in the West Bank. What a lot of balony Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:08 pm

    Arrow wrote:It's amazing that only one person died from the impact of approximately 200 missile.

    The Palestinian killed by a discarded stage of an Iranian missile?

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