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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:11 am

    Meanwhile, the West itself has greatly neglected SRBM or MRBM technologies. Here, Russia, China, Iran, India, North Korea have huge resources of these weapons. Russia will spread its wings after the withdrawal of the INF. It seems that SRBM or MRBM are better at breaking AD than sophisticated cruise missiles.
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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:36 am

    This too was another FAKE Iranian missile attack. Explains why there has been little or no casualty on the ground. Even mossads HQ was not hit. Not surprising Israelis barely used their air defence system.

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:57 am


    The Israeli army issues a warning to settlers against revealing the locations of missiles falling because this represents cooperation with the enemy. lol1

    https://x.com/ashrafnsier/status/1841375594774163529


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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:03 am

    A whole story is based on a fact that some of the tests were carried at relatively low - 2000 km - range. wrote:

    Yars or Topol can also shoot at 2000 km. They are often tested on such a trajectory from Kapustin Yar. This is the minimum range of a modern ICBM. Although from an economic point of view it is a pity to have an ICBM at such distances, a much cheaper MRBM would be better. Now after the death of INF Russia may develop some MRBM, or more interestingly such a hybrid of a ballistic with a second stage of Tsirkon with a range of over 2000 km, but this is for special purposes. They also have Kinzhal now.
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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:09 am

    Not surprising Israelis barely used their air defence system. wrote:

    Why such conclusions. Israeli AD was used to intercept as many missiles as possible.

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    Post  crod Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:15 am

    Sujoy wrote:This too was another FAKE Iranian missile attack. Explains why there has been little or no casualty on the ground.  Even mossads HQ was not hit. Not surprising Israelis barely used their air defence system.

    Bollocks. Send the pics, you’re clearly on the ground there.

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    Post  Isos Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:20 am

    Sujoy wrote:This too was another FAKE Iranian missile attack. Explains why there has been little or no casualty on the ground.  Even mossads HQ was not hit. Not surprising Israelis barely used their air defence system.

    lol1
    Indians are more worried about Israel than israeli themselves. Stop coping. They smashed Israel hard and israeli AD totally failed.

    Those Arrow couldn't intercept even 5% of the missiles. 200 missiles isn't overwhelming against Israel because they have all the AD system close to each other. That would be something like 10-15 missike to intercept for each of their long range systems including Patriots. They failed.

    They even had Aegis on US ships to help, they failed even with that power up.

    Their bases were impacted. Now we just need to see if iranian missiles are precise enough to hit their target and not fall 200m away in open areas. In that case the attack can be considered as failed. Only way to get images is through satelitte images. If israeli are not lying they will share them, if they are lying and Iran successfully hit their targets then they will share nothing. And it seems like the second scenario is ongoing. So... just cope.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:22 am

    As a physicist, to me what we saw yesterday was 100% obvious all along. You just can't intercept ballistic missiles with other missiles, it is not technically possible, the solid angle is way too narrow.
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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:25 am

    Of course you can intercept ballistic missiles with another missile. Look how the Russians do it. They even intercept SLBMs. Of course you can saturate even the best AD in the world with a large salvo of BM missiles, but physically such interception has been possible for decades.

    " V-1000 rocket made the first intercept and destruction in the world using a conventional warhead of an intermediate range ballistic missile warhead coming in at 3 km/s on 4 May 1961." Very Happy
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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:34 am

    It can happen, it is very hard and under ideal circumstances. You can also make a basket from the other side of the court, but it is not likely.
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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:38 am

    It depends on what resources you have. How many missiles you have to shoot down. What type of ballistic missile you're intercepting. If you have a simple ballistic missile that flies a predictable trajectory, that doesn't maneuver in the terminal phase of flight or even in the middle phase of flight, it's not that difficult if you have advanced missile technology, radar, etc. There are only a few countries in the world that can intercept ballistic missiles.
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:38 am

    🇮🇷🇮🇱According to Netanyahu, effective air defense work looks like this.

    https://t.me/intelslava/67613

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:39 am

    🇮🇷🇮🇱Iranian missiles used to strike Israel and their main performance characteristics.

    The most modern and dangerous is the hypersonic Fattah-2 - there are very few air defense systems in the world that can effectively combat it.



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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:41 am

    🇮🇷🇮🇱Yesterday's launches from Iran to Israel filmed from an airplane.

    https://t.me/intelslava/67626

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:46 am

    Isos wrote:
    lol1
    Indians are more worried about Israel than israeli themselves. Stop coping. They smashed Israel hard and israeli AD totally failed.

    Shall we add Iran to the list of countries that our Indian friend doesn't like so much that makes dumb comments when involved? scratch

    Hannibal Barca wrote:As a physicist, to me what we saw yesterday was 100% obvious all along. You just can't intercept ballistic missiles with other missiles, it is not technically possible, the solid angle is way too narrow.

    What a brilliant comment.
    You should share this wisdom with a wider audience. Start with the US and Russia, and tell them how dumb are the efforts they are making for the last seven decades. You will surely impress them.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:47 am

    Israel “don't want the knowledge out there” about Iran’s penetration of the Iron Dome – ex-CIA analyst

    Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson spoke with Sputnik Tuesday about Iran’s retaliatory strike on Israel, claiming the US ally is attempting to obfuscate its weakness against Russian-provided Iranian military technology.

    “I've seen the videos and you can see the missiles continue to rain down and hit targets. Israel is imposing a news blackout,” said Johnson. “They don't want the knowledge out there about what happened. But Iran made sure that it was not going to hit and run the risk of killing hundreds or thousands of Israeli civilians. They were not going to act like the Israelis… [but] the Iron Dome proved to be a bust.”

    The analyst claimed Iran was forced to strike Israel after false assurances from the United States that Israel would cease attacks on its neighbors after its killing of Hamas chief Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran in July and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah last week. He compared Israel’s Iron Dome to the US Patriot missile system, claiming the US is unable to replenish the defense system rapidly enough to allow Israel to fight a long war of attrition.

    “Lockheed Martin… can make about one and a half, one and a quarter [missiles] a day,” said Johnson. “If Iran continues to launch missile strikes like this... this right now has a chance to really get out of control.”

    The Iranian attacks come as Israel readies itself for an invasion of Lebanon against Hezbollah, which has launched strikes primarily against military targets in northern Israel in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza.


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:48 am

    With superior military tech, Iran would outlast Israel – former CIA analyst

    Ex-CIA analyst Larry Johnson said high-quality military equipment would give Iran the edge in a war against Israel, allowing the country to outlast Tel Aviv and defend its territory against Israel’s US-provided armaments.

    “I cannot rule out that Israel is going to try to launch some conventional weapons at Iran, but I think they're going to be defeated,” Johnson claimed. “Israel may be tempted to try to use a nuclear device against an Iranian target. If that happens then we're going to really be into another dimension, and this is going to get very, very serious.”

    The commentator said Israel would not be able to support military engagement against multiple enemies, even with the United States backing it up.

    “Israel is not in a position to fight a multi-front war and it does not have the strategic depth to fight wars of attrition. And that's exactly what it's got itself into now,” Johnson pointed out. “If US ships are involved that are off the coast of Iran, then we'll see Iran react and they may even end up attacking some US ships. But they'll certainly retaliate against Israel. Israel is not out of the woods at all, despite all the delusional nonsense that the extreme Zionist supporters are saying.”

    The development comes as Democrats attempt to hold onto the White House in November’s presidential election.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:51 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Isos wrote:
    lol1
    Indians are more worried about Israel than israeli themselves. Stop coping. They smashed Israel hard and israeli AD totally failed.

    Shall we add Iran to the list of countries that our Indian friend doesn't like so much that makes dumb comments when involved? scratch

    Hannibal Barca wrote:As a physicist, to me what we saw yesterday was 100% obvious all along. You just can't intercept ballistic missiles with other missiles, it is not technically possible, the solid angle is way too narrow.

    What a brilliant comment.
    You should share this wisdom with a wider audience. Start with the US and Russia, and tell them how dumb are the efforts they are making for the last seven decades. You will surely impress them.

    I used to be quite good in my profession, before I moved to business endevaurs. Why don't listen someone who had actually put the effort and the brains to study something instead of talking crap. What's wrong with internet?
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:53 am

    Iran’s attack on Israel shows peril of mistaking country’s restraint for weakness

    A number of international affairs analysts joined Sputnik to comment on Iran’s retaliatory strike against Israel, noting the country has demonstrated substantial military power after practicing restraint for an extended period.

    💬 “It does seem that if people are going to mistake that measured response for weakness, they're going to regret it,” said journalist Robert Fantina. “Iran is waiting and watching, and it's playing the long game. It's not necessarily looking for an immediate victory, but it does want to see progress in peace in the region, and that means the defeat of Israel.”

    💬 “That previous attack was just almost like a showpiece to let Israel know that, ‘not only can we hit you, but we can hit you hard. Our missiles can get through your many layers of defense even with all of your protectors in NATO and in the US, basically shooting down most of those key projectiles for you; our main missiles hit their targets and hit them precisely and hard,’” said author and independent journalist Esther Iverem, summarizing Tehran’s perspective.

    Iran said it deployed its hypersonic Fatteh-2 missile during Tuesday’s attack, which is able to maneuver at a speed of about 10,000 miles per hour (over 16,000 kilometers per hour). Analysts claim the United States would also struggle to frequently replenish Israel’s Iron Dome during a prolonged conflict.

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:53 am

    This is what it is all about. Advertisement of western SAM systems. How does an Iranian MRBM become exo atmospheric? Is there any MRBM in the world that goes exo atmospheric?

    Are Iran's missiles so terrible that they couldn't even hit Mossad's HQ?

    Not a single Israeli soldier was even touched by any of these missiles.

    Iran should be the brand ambassador of incompetent western 2-3 tier missile defence system.



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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 02, 2024 6:57 am

    Is there any MRBM in the world that goes exo atmospheric wrote:

    Yes, everyone Very Happy
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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:00 am

    🇮🇷/🇮🇱 Iran's attack in April was a message and a show of force. The attack was extensively telegraphed for over 2 weeks, and Iran gave advance warning to the US in order to avoid an all-out war.

    This time, Iran did not inform anyone. US intelligence only detected the attack about 2 hours before it happened. There were also no NOTAMs issued in Iranian airspace, which usually signals an imminent attack. Iran also decided to carry out the attack with ballistic missiles only, which arrive in Israel within ~15 minutes, giving Israel virtually no time to respond. Most US aircraft carriers recently left, something Iran was waiting for. Everything shows that Iran really aimed to re-establish deterrence this time, while still not going 'all-out'.

    All in all, it seems that today was for real. We'll have to wait to assess the damage, and Israel will try to cover up as much as possible, as usual. From the videos that are available, I would estimate at least 60-70 impacts in total, and that's a conservative estimate. We won't know for sure until the satellite images get released in a few days.

    Until then, we wait for a potential Israeli response. Last time, there was virtually none, but this time seems different. In any case, this was only the first wave, and the IRGC has prepared for an unprecedented exchange that could last multiple months.

    @Middle_East_Spectator

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    Post  Sujoy Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:06 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote: The attack was extensively telegraphed for over 2 weeks, and Iran gave advance warning to the US in order to avoid an all-out war.
    Exactly! That's how wars are fought. Inform your enemy before hand that you are about to attack.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:28 am

    Iranian missiles before their launch carried a sticker that read: Revenge of dear Haniyeh 🇵🇸🇮🇷🔻

    https://t.me/gazaalannet/60884

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:32 am

    Analysts have identified the locations of strikes on Israeli airbases.

    ▪Military facilities were subjected to powerful attacks, as evidenced by videos and geolocations from the flyover sites.
    ▪One of these bases was the Nevatim airbase, where F-35I fighters are based.


    https://t.me/c/1465202821/66934

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