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    Post  Belisarius Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:53 am

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    Russian Black Sea Fleet, Ropucha-class landing ship "Olenegorsky Gornyak", that was hit by a Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boat and lying on its side on 4 August, returned to Sevastopol on 7 September after a 34-day repair period and was returned to service.

    Ukrainian general staff claimed that it would be put into service only after 5 years of repairs
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    Post  crod Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:35 am

    Fucking hell, I hope it’s not a grim day for Russia.
    That fucker trying to sell his bullshit to the US and Canadians like a whore on port day. Some PR for him now.
    Hope the building was largely empty. 🙏

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:00 am



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    The Ministry of Defense reports that one serviceman was killed as a result of a missile strike, and the fleet headquarters building was damaged.

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    6 people were injured during a missile attack on the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. Cruise missiles were also destroyed in Crimea by Russian air defense forces.


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    Post  Arrow Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:02 am

    Five of the seven Storm Shadows were captured.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:13 am

    Another major strike last night.

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    Ukrainian resources visualized the routes of Russian cruise missiles during yesterday's attack

    The Russian Aerospace Forces launched strikes in several waves. 44 cruise missiles were fired from 10 aircraft.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am

    Looks like they are using pretty new stock, not the old stuff. So it could be latest spec now in Russian hands.

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    Wreckage of a downed Storm Shadow missile, with a production date of May 5, 2022

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:33 am

    The soundtrack of the attack. Note daytime to maximise manpower at work. At least one SS flying overhead.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:28 am

    It sounds like really good news, if it means that Poland will contribute less to this dangerous war, but it would be bad news, if Poland is breaking up with Ukraine with the intention to fight Russia itself and occupy West-Ukraine in the near future.

    But that would be hilarious... Kiev would have to remove troops from the front line with the Russians to face the Poles attacking their rear... imagine Zelensky being overthrown and the Orc military asking Russian forces to push Polish forces out of their territory in the west in return for a total surrender and peace talks...

    This is all centred around Ukraininan grain that is supposed to pass through the EU to be shipped to the rest of the world but not making it through the EU countries and being sold in Poland et al undercutting the prices that local farmers can sell the same products for so the local farmers are losing money because they can't compete.

    The EU ban on Ukrainian grain sales in the EU ended and the EU refused to extend the ban so three countries have created their own unilateral ban which annoyed the EU and the Ukraine and so Kiev is taking those countries to the WTO... and it seems Poland is responding by cutting military aide.

    Will the Russians make it easy as Pie ? This means partition plan , perhaps the most expedient . Cake for Russia first , Pie for Poland later ?

    Russia has no reason to be handing out cake or pie. If Poland wants anything they are going to have to work for it and up until this point they have been doing everything they could to work against and hurt Russia and Russians and Ukrainians, so I don't really see any reason for Russia to give Poland anything at all.

    And if they want to sneak in and take they might get their fingers burned... off.

    What is the cost to hitting some visible targets like govt buildings and things in Kiev ? Even if it is mostly for show

    Hitting government buildings would make no real difference at all.... I would say most government business in Kiev is done in the US embassy... they don't need the thousands of workers there for issuing green cards... they are either running the war or running the country or both... if you want to hit them hard then hit that.

    But damaging buildings in Kiev related to their government would be pointless because their government is a puppet government... it is like the drunk at a ventriloquist show.... he stands up and says he is sick of all the bad irish jokes they are doing because he is irish and those jokes are making the irish look stupid... and if they don't quit it he is going to go up there and knock some sense into him. The Ventriloquist starts to apologise but the drunk says he is not talking to him, he is talking to the little fellow on his knee.

    Is completely wrong. Iskander is not an MLRS, I thought even u knew this.

    How can I be wrong... did you read what you quoted?

    I am not making a statement, I am asking you a question.

    HIIMARS and ATACMS operate from the same vehicle, but the Russians split the functions into two completely separate systems... Smerch and Iskander.

    Westerners talk about ATACMS like it is HIMARS and an MLRS and it isn't.

    ATACMS and Iskander and Tochka are tactical guided missiles, while HIMARS and Grad and Uragan and Smerch are MRLS systems.

    The fact that HIMARS and ATACMS operate from the same platform blurs things badly... and gives the wrong impression of what the system is and does.

    There is also a difference between rockets and missiles mainly around guidance. But iskander isn't classified as a MLRS, u might have thought it was due to being armed with more than one missile but this doesn't constitute an MLRS.

    The clue is in the name.. Multiple Launch Rocket System... but does HIMARS qualify as a MLRS when its rockets are guided and therefore technically are missiles and not unguided ballistic rockets anymore.

    Doesn't HIMARS become a tactical missile system with either six or one missile?


    The neocons that have their hands up Elensky anus and flap his puppet lips are terminally deluded. Not surprising considering that they
    are nothing more than higher functioning autistics.

    Russia said from day one the longer this takes and the more Russia pays for this war in blood and money, the worse the outcome for Kiev is going to be.

    If they had talked to start with it would not have been necessary and these four regions could be autonomous regions inside Ukrainian territory... they were never going to get Crimea back.

    Now they will be lucky to survive intact with access to the Black Sea...

    And the longer this takes the more damage the west inflicts on itself too...

    Fucking hell, I hope it’s not a grim day for Russia.

    You didn't think they would stop trying did you?

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    Post  Firebird Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:39 am

    These are attacks by GATO.
    In particular, the United Snakes but its vassals are equally to blame.

    A result is the genocide of residents of the Pukrainian area by being frogmarched to the front for a battle they can never win.

    Time Russia struck back at the puppet masters of these atrocities. Firmly.
    The problem is, Putin is a peacetime leader NOT a wartime one.
    Much as I love Putin the peacetime leader.

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    Post  Backman Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:43 am

    You didn't think they would stop trying did you?

    Not when the US and UK have limited incentives to. If the entire Ukr war enterprise had to be pushed into Poland because all the govt buildings were in ruins, that would make a difference.

    Russia usually doesn't bluff. They said they would.
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:44 am

    Jokes aside, if that is how a direct hit of Storm Shadow looks like, rather hard to be impressed.
    Those damages are somehow paired with misfired 5V55 missiles ...

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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:51 am

    The flight path of P8 is very peculiar . Flying in straight line , back and forth . Does it need to do this for simple observations ? Or is the aim , providing additional guidance , while cruise missiles are in flight ? What if they are guiding the missiles in real time ? Does this make them direct participants in war , or not ? And if it does , then do you think this make them legitimate target ? I don't think simple observations needs such strict flight path . But providing an additional GPS ( LPS ) signal , in case of jamming , from a tangent to a circle ( flight path ) , with the centre of circle being the target , does make sense ?
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:02 am

    It's mostly stone...

    The current building was finished in 1958 (the old one was from 1900 but was destroyed by the Nazis during the 2nd Siege of Sevastopol). It was renovated in 2020.

    But this damage seems superficial, again, stone.

    But the attack was clearly symbolic in nature, anyway, with Zelensky's U.S. visit ongoing. And it was clearly well-coordinated, even though most things were shot down anyway.

    The idea being a morale boost, and hopefully an angry Russian retaliation as a secondary goal, that Zelensky can point to, while he's safe and sound elsewhere.

    PS they have attempted to attack it before on multiple occasions. The only previously "successful" one was using smallish drones launched from nearby ("inside" the AD zone so to speak). They didn't really do much damage either.



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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:11 am

    They are struggling for survival, eg. cash to flow.
    Cocainsky plans further investments in his real estates portfolio, Egypt villa is not his last word.
    Desperate for anything can sell on X. Let it be.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:29 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:It's mostly stone...

    The current building was finished in 1958 (the old one was from 1900 but was destroyed by the Nazis during the 2nd Siege of Sevastopol). It was renovated in 2020.

    But this damage seems superficial, again, stone.

    But the attack was clearly symbolic in nature, anyway, with Zelensky's U.S. visit ongoing. And it was clearly well-coordinated, even though most things were shot down anyway.

    Presumably there is one or more nuclear hardened bunkers that contain the actual operational HQ, whilst the decorative buildings that have been hit are administrative buildings. Much like many military sites around the World.

    As said, these are PR maximisation attacks.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:39 am

    Yes, there are vast underground facilities there, and in Balaklava (though most/all of the latter have been turned into a cold war museum and the entrances to the underground submarine pens sealed off).

    There were multiple hardened "pop-up" coastal defense sites built into the mountains facing south, too. At least one of these is in use still.


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    Post  Regular Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:42 am

    What will happen now?


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    Post  zorobabel Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:45 am

    Clearer video of the damage from TASS. Looks like damage to the west wing is significant, top two floors blown out in the center. The picture will be clearer in the coming days.

    9 days since the dry dock attack 1km away, as predicted. Are there any major naval assets left in port? Expect the next escalation from NATO.

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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:53 am

    Wreckage of a downed Storm Shadow missile, with a production date of May 5, 2022
    No more stocks.

    Another major strike last night.
    Regarding missile attacks the ratio is around 40:1 in Russias favor.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:13 am

    Regular wrote:What will happen now?



    Nothing. This is not the first strike in Crimea done by Storm Shadow. Better don't talk about red lines, if you're not ready to follow up. One of the previous strikes:


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    Post  thegopnik Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:21 am

    Regular wrote:What will happen now?



    nothing as usual, they will continue being a laughingstock throughout the world.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:24 am




    Caveat Emptor wrote " Nothing. This is not the first strike in Crimea done by Storm Shadow. Better don't talk about red lines, if you're not ready to follow up. One of the previous strikes: " Why do we think Russia not following up on idea of taking out decision making centres ? I think it is the fear of retaliation ; taking out some or all of Russia leadership ? That is why the Duma must be held in secret Bunker , and Putin must be photocopied in triplicate by plastic surgery , only photocopy to appear in public . In Vietnam the leaders were in hiding in mountains , and so was Mao , most of the time ! Then they can take out decision making centres !

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    Post  mnztr Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:27 am

    Belisarius wrote:[url=https://servimg.com/view/20436982/398

    Russian Black Sea Fleet, Ropucha-class landing ship "Olenegorsky Gornyak", that was hit by a Ukrainian unmanned kamikaze boat and lying on its side on 4 August, returned to Sevastopol on 7 September after a 34-day repair period and was returned to service.

    Ukrainian general staff claimed that it would be put into service only after 5 years of repairs
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    I hope they can do the same with the Rostov on Don. Hopefully the inner pressure hull was not breached, which would make it a relatively easy fix. Esp if they decide to keep it in the Black Sea and reduce its max diving depth.

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