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    Post  lancelot Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:49 pm

    Kh-101 has a stealth airframe. I doubt the Ukrainians can take them down easily. The Kalibr is probably a lot easier to take down than the Kh-101.

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    Post  Isos Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:56 pm

    Most of ukrainian troops are in the south. They don't need 10k Gerans in Kiev.

    Stealth only reduces the range of radars. I said once you detect it it is easy to shoot down.

    We saw kh-101 using their jamming effectively which could complicate the interception though. For kinzhal Nato doesn't seem to have anything to counter it but production is harder than kh-101.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:09 pm

    Ch-101 and Kalibrs have a great advantage of range.
    It is not most cost effective, but they ae just using them to loiter around 404 with no clear goal.
    Bypassing the defensive positions, and just hit ...

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    Post  Tolstoy Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:21 pm

    Isos wrote: Kh-101 is a very easy target once you have a radar lock on it like any subsonic cruise missile. But not all targets have patriots and shorads around them. But even then their low flying path makes them not that easy targets.
    How will you achieve a radar lock on a terrain hugging missile like Kh-101, that too in an urban environment? In such an environment even AWACS will struggle to spot them. On several occasions Kh-101 was flying just about 150ft-200ft from the ground.

    On the flip side, Ukros have learnt this strategy and are using their Storm Shadow missile in a similar manner. That's how they achieved to hit the Black Sea HQ.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sun Oct 01, 2023 7:43 pm

    Looks like Spiderman joined Russian Army. At least in Ukraine russia russia russia


    https://t.me/HUNTSMAN888/35

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    Post  Gomig-21 Sun Oct 01, 2023 8:21 pm

    I think he realized this was the best thing he could do. Last thing the Brits need at this point is to send bear meat.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Oct 01, 2023 9:42 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:Looks like Spiderman joined Russian Army. At least in Ukraine russia russia russia


    https://t.me/HUNTSMAN888/35

    Right, but Spiderman needs some more practice, as he is saying bla't, nie dolietiela. Missed the range Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:08 pm

    More good news

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    🪖 Russian fighters killed the founder of the “Aidar” battalion

    Soldiers of the Russian army eliminated Ukrainian militant Vladimir Ishchenko, one of the founders of the Aidar battalion.

    Militants of the Ukrainian nationalist battalion “Aidar”, banned in Russia, committed atrocities for a long time in the Donbass. Murder, rape, torture and beatings were the hallmark of this fascist rabble.

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    Post  littlerabbit Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:22 am

    Wtf?!!   Suspect  Suspect







    https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1708573636464931183

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:54 am

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    The process of drawing the Tu-95MS next to the real plane consistently appeared on Western satellite images.

    So, you can see that on September 25, preparatory work began, on the 27th the silhouette was already partially drawn, and after another 3 days the tires were added to it, following the example of a real neighbor.

    We are waiting for the painted protective hangars.

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:07 am


    The only heir of Yevgeny Prigozhin, who died in a plane crash, was his son Pavel, who had also previously attended the Wagner PMC school, writes the Gray Zone TG channel. At the moment, the new command of the Orchestra is negotiating with the Ministry of Defense about the return of assault troops to the special operation zone.

    According to the channel, the Wagner PMC intends to return to the Northern Military District zone, occupying one of the most difficult areas, under the guarantees of the Russian Guard, and not the Ministry of Defense. Negotiations are currently underway, the result of which should become known in the near future. The “Orchestra” is ready to send part of its detachments to the special operation zone, which will retain their symbols, their commanders, management and operating principles, although formally they will be registered in the Russian Guard. They promise to provide other details later.

    At the moment, Prigozhin Jr. is negotiating with the leadership of the Russian Guard (FSVNG), under whose guarantees on private terms (without signing direct contracts), part of the personnel of the “musicians” will arrive exclusively as part of participation in this theater of military operations - writes the channel.

    It was previously reported that detachments of the Wagner PMC had already appeared in the Northern Military District zone, but this was part of the Orchestra that did not participate in the campaign against Moscow together with Prigozhin. These detachments operate under the command of "Sedoy".

    Before this, there was already information that the Wagner group wanted to go under the wing of the Russian Guard, but without signing contracts and preserving their name and everything else, and supposedly the FSVNG command made a corresponding promise, but in words. On September 22, the Council of Orchestra commanders held a meeting on this issue, but did not come to a consensus.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 02, 2023 2:28 am

    I wouldn't bother with them anymore. Instead, get them to continue work in Africa and maybe use them elsewhere while using Russian Army for Ukraine.

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    Post  Backman Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:52 am

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:Isn't it possible for Russia to create and harbor proxies, who could attack Nato in Ukraine? Maybe it is a risky idea, but it would make reciprocal actions much easier for Russia. Those Nato cowards are exploiting their diplomatically untouchable status in a completely reckless way.

    Of course it could do that. It could do all kinds of things. But Putin doesn't seem to allow any nominally criminal actions.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:23 am

    Medvedev has openly stated on TASS what so many of us wish to hear!  IMHO that makes it official. cheers

    MOSCOW, September 30. /TASS/. Russia will continue its special military operation until it completely destroys the Nazi regime in Ukraine and liberates its original lands, Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev said.

    "The special military operation will continue until the Nazi Kiev regime is completely destroyed and the original Russian lands are liberated from the enemy," he wrote on Telegram on the Day of Reunification of the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions with Russia.

    Medvedev noted that a year ago, residents of those regions had made a life-changing decision to reunite with their Motherland. "Their choice became a symbol not only of restored historical justice but also of the unity of the Russian people, their enormous will power and determination," he stressed.

    "Victory will be ours and there will be more new Russian regions," Medvedev added.

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    Victory will be ours...   Clearly lifted from the famous words of Vyacheslav Molotov, Foreign Minister of the USSR, June 22, 1941.

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    attack attack attack attack attack attack

    FWIW Molotovs full speech at https://www.historyplace.com/speeches/molotov.htm

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Oct 02, 2023 11:37 am

    Allegedly, the current state of Wagner is being dissolved as a PMC and its readily fieldable force structures incorporated into the National Guard.

    So some agreement has been reached, allegedly. Everything pertaining to Prigozhin, whether directly or indirectly, whether he's dead or alive, should be taken with a pinch of salt.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:28 pm

    NATO states have tested all the red lines without any indication of a significant response. The announcement of British troops serving in Ukraine (no doubt they already are) will be the first of several, most likely.

    I would say UK instructors openly being in Ukraine (they were there all along) is preparing the UK public for soldiers coming home in body bags... now whether that is to get the public to rise up against the war or to demand the UK does more to fight the Russians remains in question... is this to give them an out or is it to give them a green light to escalate further?

    This makes decapitation a piece of cake.

    An interesting chart that seems to get everything we know about the missile slightly wrong...

    It is launched from MiG-31Ks and they think the Tu-22M3 might be suitable but we have never seen it carrying such a missile.

    200km altitude sounds rather excessive... that is actually space... now this would make drag as low as possible and it has thrust vectoring with its rocket motor so it would be able to fly in space but I am not sure it does.

    Its high speed and manouvering capacity does make it hard to intercept, but it also has onboard sensors to detect air defence systems and incoming active radar homing SAMs and AAMs so it can evade those too, plus decoys and jammers it can release to distract defences too.... it is a clever bugger...

    Its guidance and navigation system would not need to be modified because it is air launched, in many ways the Kinzhal is the Iskander with an extra flight stage... a jet powered MiG-31K booster system to get it into the air and moving before it is launched.

    The warhead information is probably not too far off, though 500kg payload is probably 100-150kgs light.

    And it is claimed to be 2,000km range, not more, and flight speed is declared to be about mach 9, which is slightly faster than the Mach 7 to 8 of the Iskander.

    Has there been any confirmation that Su-34 will carry Kinzhals, I would think it is rather more likely they would be adapted to air launched Zircons instead.... being half the weight and an easier shape to carry.

    (MiG-31Ks are big aircraft and sit rather high off the ground.)

    I suspect its probably a simple politics, running out of reasons to allocate dead bodies to. So the need a real reason that they can use.

    Not just that but in their eyes these guys are fighting the good fight against Russia so it is a bit disrespectful having to say they died in a car accident or plane crash...


    British soldiers will not be sent to Ukraine, Sunak says

    So they tested the waters and the water was cold and muddy... does that mean they will bring the ones there home?

    From what I have observed so far terrain hugging cruise missiles like the Kh-101 has been the deciding factor and not supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles like Onyx and Zircon.

    Ukraine have been unable to intercept either even with PAC-3 Patriot missiles...

    The point is that low flying subsonic cruise missiles carry a good payload and appear to have excellent accuracy, but for deeply buried targets like big ammo bunkers and HQ bunkers deep under buildings those hypersonic and supersonic missiles like Onyx and Kh-32 and Kinzhal seem to be excellent at not just penetrating defences but also concrete and soil and rock to reach into those hard to reach places.

    Many of the hardened military places in Ukraine were from the cold war and are build solid to stop nuke attacks and these missiles with much better accuracy seem to be reaching places other weapons would struggle to reach.

    I think they make an excellent combination that compliment each other rather well.

    considering their launches of Geran, are they going to launch like 10,000 of them on kyiv when a major offensive starts? its not like they launch them everyday.

    I would think launches would increase but hitting targets behind and near the front line would be a good way to soften them to make any advance easier and less costly for Russian forces.

    Stealth only reduces the range of radars. I said once you detect it it is easy to shoot down.

    Not really. Its low flight altitude means most SAMs would have to be pretty close to the missiles flight path to have any chance of launching missiles at it before it has flown past and out of range.

    We saw kh-101 using their jamming effectively which could complicate the interception though.

    For the jamming to be effective it needs to have effective sensors on board to know when it is under attack and to deploy the jammers and decoys at a suitable time for them to be useful. If it just jammed and decoyed at random that would actually attract the attention of the air defences.

    Not being able to chase them down in an aircraft makes them rather difficult for the Ukraine to deal with.

    Of course having F-16 would not make a huge difference because MiG-31s could use cruise missile launches as a chance to hunt F-16s hunting cruise missiles.

    I think he realized this was the best thing he could do. Last thing the Brits need at this point is to send bear meat.

    Zoo keeper put up a sign recently to not feed the Bears... good to see one tourist is reading the signs... Twisted Evil

    Right, but Spiderman needs some more practice, as he is saying bla't, nie dolietiela. Missed the range

    His elevation did look a little high, but it might have been a long range shot.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:45 pm

    And another bites the dust.

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    One of the main Nationalists of #Ukraine from Khmelnitsky, Alexander #Pastukh, was eliminated.

    In 2014 he killed several civilians near Lugansk and continued his reign of terror until October 2nd 2023

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 02, 2023 12:52 pm

    The first assault detachments of the Wagner PMC are flying from Africa to Russia; they will join the fighting on one of the sections of the contact line. The main part of the "Orchestra" returns to the Northern Military District zone after four months of absence. This was reported by the Rybar TG channel.

    There have been rumors about the appearance of detachments of the Wagner PMC in the Northern Military District zone for the second week now. Indeed, fighters of the “musicians” have already appeared in the Artemovsk direction, but they represent the “volunteer assault corps”, i.e. that part of the company that remained with Troshev and is now supervised by the Ministry of Defense.

    Now the detachments of the main part of "Wagner" are returning to the NVO zone, while we are talking about three assault units. Moreover, they return with their flags, commanders, structure, etc. Reportedly, the council of commanders and Lotus reached an agreement in principle with the Russian Guard on the conclusion of contracts, both individual and group. The command of the Russian Guard guaranteed the preservation of the flags, names, etc. Let's think that such a decision was approved at the very top; Zolotov will not go against Putin.

    As Rybar writes, the financial conditions in the “assault corps,” which is supervised by the Ministry of Defense, and in the Russian Guard are the same, so the soldiers sent on leave in the spring can choose between Sedy and Lotos. It is believed that most will prefer to stay with the old part of the company, also because of the name.

    It is not yet clear where the new “Orchestra” detachments will be deployed, but they will not intersect with the “Corps” detachments. It is assumed that they will be included in a certain reserve that is being prepared for the autumn-winter campaign.

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:49 pm

    Russia🇷🇺 lost 4,274 confirmed KIA during Ukraine's Summer Offensive... avg of 40 KIA per day, very far from the 500 KIA per day often brought up by some "analysts". Meanwhile, how many men did Ukraine lose as the attacker? 5x more?

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    Post  Firebird Mon Oct 02, 2023 1:53 pm

    4.2k vs nearly around 70k Bandera-scum.
    I wonder how accurate Mediazona are.
    Regardless, I hope Russia remembers its losses in its future dealings with the Empire of Scum.

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    Iranian 122 mm Grad compatible rocked, Arash, officially presented by the Russkie MoD.

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    Missiles produced in 2018 and fresh new, 2023.

    A nice bonus to already reveal other types of ammunition, like this factory fresh 122 mm ammunition :

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    So now we have 122/152 mm ammunition, 122 mm Grad ammunition, 80mm unguided rockets, and Kornet clones spotted, with photo/film documentation.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:38 pm

    This is worrying

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    In a report by the British Financial Times, alarming news emerges from a German military hospital. Ukrainian nationals have arrived with an infection that defies conventional antibiotics.

    The gravest concern, however, lies in the emergence of an antibiotic-resistant infection that these Ukrainians have unwittingly imported. The publication highlights that this dire situation is unfolding within overcrowded hospitals, attributing it to the ongoing counteroffensive.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Oct 02, 2023 4:45 pm

    Will be good testing those Iranian munitions for both Russia and Iran.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:09 pm

    JohninMK wrote:This is worrying

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    In a report by the British Financial Times, alarming news emerges from a German military hospital. Ukrainian nationals have arrived with an infection that defies conventional antibiotics.

    The gravest concern, however, lies in the emergence of an antibiotic-resistant infection that these Ukrainians have unwittingly imported. The publication highlights that this dire situation is unfolding within overcrowded hospitals, attributing it to the ongoing counteroffensive.

    This is just one more thing that requires a wider perspective here.
    As some of you might not be aware, Ukraine was the country with the lowest vaccination stats in the whole of Europe.
    What's more, frauding the certificates is, and always has been a common practice.
    Combining the official vaccination stats and the number of frauds, even before the war started, the number of non-vaccinated Ukrainians could have been close to 50% of the population...

    The end effect was, that there are anomalies and diseases existing there that have been already fought in the whole of the civilized world.
    Diseases like whooping cough were common, and some cases of polio have been registered too.

    The situation as a whole was close to a satire a long time ago already and revealed some absurd.
    Anti-vaccination ideas have been spreading across Europe for a long time already, and avoiding the obligatory vaccination procedures was a common practice.
    No vaccination was a fashion.
    As long as those poor kids were used to functioning inside the population that was properly vaccinated - nothing serious was happening.
    Which only encourages those idiots to carry on.
    And guess what has happened? Laughing
    Those poor kids of dumb parents have collided with a mass of Ukrainian employees.
    Ukrainian women used to be a core of workforce immigration, and the bulk of the jobs they occupied were housekeeping, kids/elderly care, kitchen assistance etc.
    So working directly with children, at private homes, kindergartens, schools ...
    What was an end effect, was some shit hitting the fan.
    The number of diseases unknown or marginalized for decades skyrocketed. Whooping cough numbers quadrupled. And what was the most devastating, the numbers applied to kids.
    Last but not least, generic diseases spreded generously either, with a huge return of HIV and syphilis ...

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 02, 2023 5:37 pm

    And don't forget the ~40 military biological research facilities run by everyone's favorite "uncle sam" Shocked pale affraid

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