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    Post  ludovicense Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:45 pm

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    Post  Firebird Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:20 am

    Kiko wrote:Sometimes they come back: brands that left want to return to Russia again, by Victoria Nikiforova for RiaNovosti. 06.19.2024.




    These American "global brands" exist for ONE reason only.
    American imperialism which includes parasitism, intimidation and global dollar hegemony.
    Without dollar hegemony, they could never finance this imperialism. And they could not leverage laughable crap products into dominance.

    Russia needs to lead the way in de-imperialising the World.
    Russia doesn't know how to cook burgers? How to make coffee?
    How to produce a database which should be open source for your own chose browser/software to read what you want on social networking sites that Facebook etc control?(without LG sodom mass migration brainwashing)
    How to make non alcoholic drinks? (preferably ones that aren't carcinogenic!)
    How to do online retail? (without slavery)
    How to make nice clothes and jewellery?

    American globalism is about control, corporate greed, slavery and the extermination of national cultures.
    It is just as insidious as every other policy coming out of Davos, Brussels and Washington.

    Anyone drinking Starbucks or drinking ****-a Cola should be shamed as a traitor, a facilitator of the attempted genocide of Russian peoples. Ironically in some respects Hungary seems far ahead of Russia in waking up to the reality of how these brands brainwash, control and enslave.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:03 am

    ludovicense wrote:

    That's why Russians are losing. Yes they are losing because they're winning. And the West is winning because they are losing if you read western press Smile

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:26 am

    Back in history we can find the Russian good intentions and the wish for real cooperation with EU.

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    Back to 2001 Russia agreed to use the € to trade with EU, it means Russia agreed to keep the Euro between
    it's reserves , that time the trade balance was in favorite to Russia .

    This gives EU the ability now to blocked Russian assets there in Belgium (euroclear has more than $190b of Russian euro reserves).

    By lending Ukraine $50b repaid by interest on blocked Russian assets , clearly those stupid EU leaders were pressured by US .

    Stealing EU currency by EU itself is badly affecting the trust in this currency which is already happening now .

    2024 EU central bank annual report shows the euro's share of global foreign reserves has declined in 2023 by €100b .

    Keep in mind this has happened even before the last decision , wait for more on the next annual report .

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:29 am

    This is why the hybrid war against the EU was already at full swing back then.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Jul 07, 2024 3:51 am

    The EU started a hybrid war against itself.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:00 am

    That is true, but only for a 2010+

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:22 am

    That is one interpretation, but I would argue the hybrid war started either when the Russians essentially kicked the Americans out of their pantry and stopped using them as their accountants in 2000 from an American perspective, and in 1991 at the end of the cold war when the Soviets/Russians withdrew from Germany and Eastern Europe and the Europeans didn't suggest that it was time for the Americans to leave Europe too.

    Instead the Americans started their advance to Russian borders and we see the results of that today.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:17 am

    It has nothing to do with Russia.
    US unleashed a hybrid war against the EU more than 20 years ago, maybe even more than 30.
    It was not Russia but the EU a threat to the US hegemony back in the 90s.
    Lisbon's strategy was directly addressing increasing EU's share in global trade, the position of the euro as a reserve currency and increasing both investments and innovation in the EU sphere.
    That would all happen at the cost of US-controlled condominia.
    Add to that the very first tries to establish an EU army and foreign politics - you end up with the EU openly condemning Anglosaxon aggression against Iraq in 2003.
    This hybrid war was being played at all levels, but the most influential was a soft power applied by multiple foreign-sponsored NGOs. One of the latest reports of EU accounting office calls of more than 17k NGOs operating inside EU bodies, with unclear funding.
    SEVETEEN THOUSANDS.
    Imagine that number.
    This is why foreign agent's acts turn on such a crazy yapping.
    It is the core of the hegemon's strategy to soften its victims.
    All that NGOs are being used to construct a vassal caste that will be further pushed to politics, making vassal states at the end.
    It is a long lasting strategy measured by generations sometimes. It is a clear example of social engineering, which ends up in Japan-like result. A nation that is thankful its oppressors who used to be kind enough to nuke them.
    Or take a look at Korea, which exists under US occupation for the last 7 decades - which ended up with a total dismissal of its own cultural code and values.
    It is not an accident, that both those societies evolved psychical disorders unknown to any other civilization.
    Both were infused with US virus.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 08, 2024 8:27 am

    The obvious total control that the USA has over the EU governments and elites goes back to WWII. It does not make sense to talk about
    the US waging a hybrid war on U-rope. U-rope has been its vassal for over 80 years.

    WWII is the nominal transition to total control period, but the break down of European independence started in WWI. America sucked out
    massive wealth out destroyed European nation states. It also helped to engineer the post WWI order in Europe that set the stage for WWII.
    WWII was a US racket and Germany was its stooge. Germany's military build up in the 1930s was facilitated by American corporations including
    the construction of factories. American companies were selling oil to the Reich even during the war. Prescott Bush was one of the
    financiers of the Reich.

    Both WWI and WWII acted to greatly increase US GDP and transition it into a superpower. They are now trying to engineer another war in Europe
    in the hopes of getting the same boost. But nukes prevent a repeat of the previous two world wars. But the US masters of the universe think
    they can arrange for a mostly conventional war where they will be sitting safe behind the Atlantic Ocean and raking in the windfalls.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 08, 2024 11:22 am

    kvs wrote:TGermany's military build up in the 1930s was facilitated by American corporations including
    the construction of factories.   American companies were selling oil to the Reich even during the war.  

    Don't look for conspiracy where stupidity is the first answer.
    US companies in the 30s were busy keeping afloat after a big depression.
    Whoever had money, could buy every single thing there.
    It was no other than the Soviet Union who was purchasing not only patents and samples, but a whole factories when needed. Sometimes including skilled and trained personnel. Whole production lines and employees were resettled to the SU, and working there sometimes till the 40s. We are talking about Catepillar, Ford, Hampden, General Motors ...
    Sure there could have been some master devil's plan behind, but ...

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:36 pm

    But there is a difference between civilian and military industry. The US did not impose limits on military related investment into Germany. This is the
    same USA that is always busy minding the politics of other countries. Eugenics was a movement that emerged from the US based on the Social Darwinism
    of the late 1800s. Germany was on the same team.

    Lenin supposedly said that capitalists will sell the rope used to hang them, but that is naive.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:03 pm

    It is about the military.
    Soviets purchased Christie's patent for BT series of tanks.
    They obviously had a good persuading ...ekhm ... potentials Laughing
    The very same Christie refused to sell this patent to the Poles.
    T-26 tank on the other hand is a British-designed Vickers platform, that was a base for the Polish 7TP as well.
    Artillery was transported with Caterpillar cloned tractors.
    The famous Kiroviets tractor was a licensed Fordson - Ford.
    Gaz automobiles were licensed Fords.
    And we can like that all day long.
    Soviets always enjoyed one thing that the west enjoyed even better - money.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 09, 2024 1:47 am

    It was not Russia but the EU a threat to the US hegemony back in the 90s.

    The US kept HATO going to keep the Germans down, the Russians out and the Americans in charge.

    Russia and China are the official rivals to US dominance but the US knows the EU is another centre of power which they control almost totally.

    It is not military threats... it is the vast spy empire that is the US of CIA and NSA that spent way more effort spying on Americas European allies than they ever did on spying on the Soviets.

    When you have dirt on European politicians in all parties then you have control. Anyone you don't have dirt on you destroy their career with claims of anti semitism (Corbyn) or you buy the election (Bernie Sanders), or you just put false accusations in the newspapers you own and destroy them that way.

    Assange was claims of rape, Ritter was sexual assault claims too...

    The court of public opinion it is easy to get a conviction because you don't need any evidence... the accusation is enough.

    Soviets purchased Christie's patent for BT series of tanks.
    They obviously had a good persuading ...ekhm ... potentials

    The US Army had already rejected his ideas, so he probably wanted to earn some money by that stage.

    The very same Christie refused to sell this patent to the Poles.

    He sold them to the British so I guess they were not offering enough.

    T-26 tank on the other hand is a British-designed Vickers platform, that was a base for the Polish 7TP as well.

    It certainly was, but was delivered free to the Soviets at the end of WWI.

    They also massively improved it through the simple act of putting a decent 45mm main gun in it, but also a coaxial machine gun. The Vickers originals had one or the other but not both... being either an anti tank vehicle or a infantry support vehicle. I think the British original had a 37mm gun.

    Soviets always enjoyed one thing that the west enjoyed even better - money.

    Licence production was normal at that time... many gun factories in the Soviet Union were built by Germany from Soviet money and resources... that of course ended in 33 when the little faggot came to power.

    When licence production was not an option they reverse engineered like everyone else.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 09, 2024 3:20 am

    And that is more or less my point.
    Tons of countries made a deal back then.
    It was nothing unusual or suspicious - there were even less candidates for autarky that exist today.
    Both Sweden and Turkey were supplying Reich for a whole time of war - and nobody makes a single claim for the matter.
    Routine goods exchange is not a conspiracy Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:11 pm

    This is what is liable to happen when you mess with a currency that is used as a medium of exchange.

    No wonder the US pushed this deal onto the EU. No way they wanted to increase the already high risk of it happening to their US$.


    Unexpected Danger: Saudi Arabia Threatens G7 to Dump European Bonds in Retaliation for Russian Asset Confiscation - Bloomberg

    ▪G7 countries received a warning from Saudi Arabia about possible disposal of European securities in the event of confiscation of frozen Russian assets. Riyadh did not specify which countries' securities might be affected, but, according to sources, France is most at risk.
    ▪Saudi Arabia's Finance Ministry has expressed its opposition to the idea to G7 countries, with one source calling it a veiled threat. The Saudis specifically mentioned debts issued by the French Treasury.
    ▪Although Saudi Arabia does not hold enough European bonds to crash the market, the EU fears a “domino effect.” If other countries follow Riyadh, it will cause a large-scale crisis in Europe, which is already suffering losses after the imposition of sanctions against Russia.
    http://t.me/RVvoenkor

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:50 am

    It is perfectly understandably for Saudi Arabia to do this... afterall... if the EU can do this to Russia then they can do this to Saudi Arabia... the UK has stolen Venezuelan gold and the US and Europeans did the same to Iran.

    The really sad thing is that they warned them... I am hoping the Europeans are stupid enough to steal Russian assets because they have already frozen them and are stealing the interest payments so they are already stealing from Russia... just seize the whole amount and that frees Russias hands to seize western assets and it will destroy confidence in western economics and the rest of the world will start dumping the west as a trusted partner... that will spell the end of a lot of very very very rich families' dynasties.

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    Post  ahmedfire Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:09 am

    In 1990 George Bush has freezed the Iraqi assets for 12 years then George W Bush took it on 2003.

    But things now are different , switching from freezing to seizure process is not easy.

    We remember on 2022 the British minister of transport  never stepped on the Russian yacht because it's illegal .

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    Germany is fearing that such move could create a legal precedent for Poland to get the 1.3 trillion
    as a compensation for WW2 .

    Assets for assets too ,EU knows it's all in favor of US dollar ,so they are stepping back from seizure to give loans

    repaid by interest of Russian assets which is stupid because they have to be sure the war will be long
    enough to cover such process.


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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 6:31 am

    The drama over the Russian reserve money is a farce. This is a token sum that cannot possibly hurt Russia. It will only hurt the
    NATzO west by destroying its credibility as an investment venue. Also, the amount is not 320 billion but around 85 billion. This
    was reported on in late 2022 when the failure to catch all of Russia's offshore reserve money failed. Russians obviously anticipated
    the freeze and moved to shuffle most of the money to safety. I guess they could not do this for the full amount for some technical
    reasons. The endless discussion by western yaps about this money is masturbatory in nature.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:33 am

    It is more than 85 billion. Most of it is stuck at Euroclear in Belgium.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-envoys-agree-use-profits-frozen-russian-assets-ukraine-2024-05-08/

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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:47 am

    lancelot wrote:It is more than 85 billion. Most of it is stuck at Euroclear in Belgium.
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-envoys-agree-use-profits-frozen-russian-assets-ukraine-2024-05-08/

    Reuters is not a credible source.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:32 am

    Reuters is certainly not a credible source, but the value of the assets is not critical...whether it is 85 or 850 billion the principle of the matter is that theft is theft... and once you get over a billion dollars then it is a serious matter.

    Many court systems wont consider it a criminal matter if it is less than $1,000 dollars, which is why the US is having problems with shoplifting...

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:Reuters is certainly not a credible source, but the value of the assets is not critical...whether it is 85 or 850 billion the principle of the matter is that theft is theft... and once you get over a billion dollars then it is a serious matter.

    Many court systems wont consider it a criminal matter if it is less than $1,000 dollars, which is why the US is having problems with shoplifting...

    it is not a theft. Theft is when you steal for thousand or a bit more. When you steal billions it is the rules based world Smile

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:08 am

    Not quite.

    When you do to me or anyone else it is theft, when I do it it is natural justice and international law and order and rules based international law. Smile

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