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    Post  VARGR198 Sat Jul 15, 2023 11:37 am

    That video makes little sense. Were it not for the live bullets and dead bodies I'd call it a badly-staged hoax or a training exercise for terrorists

    Why did they do that? What was the civilian car doing there? What were they doing there? Where is this even? And who's filming and why?

    It was filmed by a Russian drone

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:06 pm

    Civilians show up in the weirdest places in this conflict, cf that random fisherman that the Ukrainians blew up...

    But that was more clear-cut murder. This looks like the soldiers practiced due caution, with unfortunate results.


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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:06 pm

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    The Ukrainian army is making new preparations for the landing on the left bank of the Dnieper.

    Reserve units of the national guard, local self-defense units and various units trained by NATO for small unit operations from many regions, especially from Kyiv and Lvov, began to be drawn into the Kherson region.
    Special Forces teams from the United States, Great Britain and Poland identified suitable crossing points for the river. Every day they control the weakest defenses on the river. They are making plans of attack in that direction.
    Therefore, the Russian army stepped up its strikes with artillery and MLRS, as well as planning bombs on targets along the river.
    Reserves have also been transferred to this area and UAV activity has been increased throughout the region from the Dnieper Islands to Energodar.
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine again began to gather artillery and air defense batteries on the river bank to support these assault groups. Russian artillery and loitering Lancet munitions are focused on finding and destroying them.
    The previous attempt to force the river ended with the loss of about 1000 people.
    This time, the Ukrainian army wants to make a larger landing in order to divert attention from the Zaporozhye region and, if successful, expand the bridgehead and surround the “Surovikin Line” in Zaporozhye from the rear and force the Russian group to withdraw.

    https://t.me/vicktop55/16081

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:12 pm

    A river crossing with enemy superiority in artillery and air control and recon... and suicide drones in abundance... what could possibly go wrong?

    Regarding the grain deal...

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    Post  Hole Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:16 pm

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    Western MRAP disturbing the landscape.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:25 pm

    US training for an EW battlefield.

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    One of the Ukrainian military, who are trained in Germany, spoke about one interesting fact in the American program - the US military does not trust electronic devices on the battlefield:

    “We were taught for a week to read maps, reflect coordinates, take an azimuth, transfer the azimuth from a compass to a map and vice versa.

    When we said that we use electronic cards on tablets and phones, the Americans did not take it seriously.

    They do not rely on electronic devices at all, and the fact that we go on missions with Chinese smartphones and tablets was wildness for them.

    The same goes for quadcopters. They simply do not even have the concept of "Maviks" and the use of civilian copters.

    It is absolutely normal for scouts to climb a hill, reflect the coordinates of a point using a paper map and azimuth, call artillery on it using a walkie-talkie, correct it using a walkie-talkie and go back.

    Of course, they have UAVs. Aircraft of various types, but this is a purely brigade level.

    The Americans haven't taken part in a serious war for a long time."

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:32 pm

    Regular wrote:“ Russian President Putin agreed to extend the Ukraine grain deal, Turkish President Erdogan announced.

    (Anadolu)”

    dunno

    link to source? Not sure that Turkish state media really cuts it...

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    Post  Regular Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:16 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    That video makes little sense. Were it not for the live bullets and dead bodies I'd call it a badly-staged hoax or a training exercise for terrorists

    Why did they do that? What was the civilian car doing there? What were they doing there? Where is this even? And who's filming and why?
    Could be real, but have doubts.. Soldiers act too expressly. Camera already filmed the empty spot for background until ukrs moved in. Many fake videos start like this like when supposedly Russians shot their deserting soldiers.

    Also, Ukrainians wouldn't try to save civilians, they would shoot up the car for 5 minutes straight and wouldn’t leave the area because of that, killing civilians never stopped them.

    Or maybe I just hope it’s not real.
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    Post  Regular Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:18 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Regular wrote:“ Russian President Putin agreed to extend the Ukraine grain deal, Turkish President Erdogan announced.

    (Anadolu)”

    dunno

    link to source?  Not sure that Turkish state media really cuts it...

    Anadolu was source, but it was just Erdoclown talking crap. No statements from Russia. Should have known Erdogan is full of it

    https://www.euronews.com/2023/07/15/russia-says-no-new-statements-made-over-grain-deal-with-turkey

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:29 pm

    Good

    From all appearances Erdogan seems to have overplayed his hand and underestimated Moscow's reaction to his breaking of the agreement. Not like I said in another thread - because of any innate value of the Azov Nazi commanders themselves.
    Rather perhaps because the public nature of it was a humiliation and challenge to Russia and they have no choice but to react seriously to it, or perhaps because Moscow has guessed that Erdogan's price has been met by the West and in return he is willing to dump all his ties and agreements with Russia, the S-400s and nuclear plant perhaps being next on the agenda for him to screw Russia over with.

    So now he's playing fortune-teller and making all sorts of statements about how Russia will renew the grain deal, or its troops will leave Nagorno-Karabakh by 2025. Don't know what the play here is exactly, but no dice.

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    Post  Firebird Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:04 pm

    Erdogan is the biggest snake in geopolitics. At least with Joe Bidet, you know what you are getting.

    Time to start assisting Kurdish separatists. Then Turdkey should fragment into 3 parts not 2.
    He is an absolute arsehole and knows full well he'd be dead if not for Putin.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jul 15, 2023 3:23 pm

    Firebird wrote:Erdogan is the biggest snake in geopolitics. At least with Joe Bidet, you know what you are getting.

    Time to start assisting Kurdish separatists. Then Turdkey should fragment into 3 parts not 2.
    He is an absolute arsehole and knows full well he'd be dead if not for Putin.

    It could start also with kicking turkey out of ciprus.

    I hope that is the good occasion to have Greece leaving EU and having a new federal state with also Constantinople and all the coastal parts of Anatolia (ideally with good relationship with Russia.

    Turkey could remain a small landlocked statelet with a similar size to Slovakia centered around Ankara.

    Or they could found a new Turkey in the territories of Nederlands, Belgium and Germany.

    Of course Russia shall not involve directly on this mess

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    Post  Broski Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:32 pm

    Firebird wrote:Erdogan is the biggest snake in geopolitics. At least with Joe Bidet, you know what you are getting.

    Time to start assisting Kurdish separatists. Then Turdkey should fragment into 3 parts not 2.
    He is an absolute arsehole and knows full well he'd be dead if not for Putin.
    Kurds are busily occupying one third of Syrian land with dreams of annexing it and creating a Kurdistan (Kosovo 2.0). The enemy of my frenemy is not necessarily my friend, either.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:32 pm

    Firebird wrote:Erdogan is the biggest snake in geopolitics. At least with Joe Bidet, you know what you are getting.

    Time to start assisting Kurdish separatists. Then Turdkey should fragment into 3 parts not 2.
    He is an absolute arsehole and knows full well he'd be dead if not for Putin.

    Judge people by their actions not by their words.

    Erdogan has acted as an opportunist and that is what turkish politicians will do always. He will seek whatever is good for them in mid-term.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:05 pm

    Ah, but the loader is a cool dude, look at his hat's position Laughing Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:05 pm

    Looks like the shipping companies didn't want to be shut in Odessa for months like after Feb 22.

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    "We are preparing to welcome Putin in August and we agree on the extension of the Black Sea grain corridor."

    🇷🇺Kremlin Spokesman Peskov in response to Erdogan's optimism: "There is no statement about this from the Russian side."

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    The joint coordination center in Istanbul has not issued permits for ships to enter the Black Sea as part of a grain deal for more than two weeks.

    This was stated by the representative of the UN Secretary General Stephane Dujarric.

    Grain deal expires July 17

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    Post  Broski Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:43 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I suspect they don't want hostile populations joining the Russian Federation and that destroying their army while their population festers is much simpler that trying to win the hearts and minds of nazi aholes who are happy to watch Ukrainians whose only crime was wanting to speak Russian burn...
    The easiest way of getting the Ukrainians to turn on their government is to let them live under it for a while longer, slow grinding the cannon fodder sent to the frontlines and improving air defense to counter western made missiles. Afterwards...
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    Post  Broski Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1680217394440990720
    Not sure why TOS-1/2's aren't used more often on those trench lines, there's literally nothing more suited to clearing out rats from trenches than a thermobaric weapon.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:04 pm

    JohninMK wrote:US training for an EW battlefield.

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    One of the Ukrainian military, who are trained in Germany, spoke about one interesting fact in the American program - the US military does not trust electronic devices on the battlefield:


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    So just like I thought last year, the much vaunted US/Nato super tablets with F-35 level "data fusion" don't actually exist. There were posters on this board who bought into it

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    Post  Backman Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:15 pm

    So the CIA tried to assassinate Knsia Sobchak and Margerita Simonyan. They choose Sobchak even though she has played ball with the US deep state before. It would have served her right to get knocked off.

    Simonyan should have 24/7 special service protection. Just because they failed once doesn't mean they wont try again.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:22 pm

    Broski wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1680217394440990720
    Not sure why TOS-1/2's aren't used more often on those trench lines, there's literally nothing more suited to clearing out rats from trenches than a thermobaric weapon.




    That is something I noticed myself. Russia was bragging so much about these weapons.

    I remember that back in late February and March of 2022 the Russian columns were driving around with these with the result that they were  getting destroyed or captured due to the Ukrainian ambushes.

    Now when you need them for the static fortifications combat, they are used amazingly rarely.


    That puzzles me.

    The lives of many Russian troops would have been saved by a generous use of these weapons.



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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:26 pm

    Short range of the Tos1 is the major drawback. They need to move rather very close to within range of short range artillery and ATGM's.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:27 pm


    Why does TOS missiles have short range compared to Grad or Tornado? Is it because Thermobaric munitions have heavier weight compared to High Explosive? I heard the new versions have improved range. But I'd like to see bigger thermobaric missiles with extended range and heavier payload to burn more NATO personal and equipment.
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    Post  pavi Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:07 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Why does TOS missiles have short range compared to Grad or Tornado? Is it because Thermobaric munitions have heavier weight compared to High Explosive? I heard the new versions have improved range. But I'd like to see bigger thermobaric missiles with extended range and heavier payload to burn more NATO personal and equipment.

    It is 220mm rocket which have certain amount rocket fuel and certain mount explosives (thermobaric load). If you increase the range, then you need to reduce payload. Purpose of this gun is to inflict maximal damage and therefoe optimum solution has been found this combination of range and destructive power.

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