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    Post  nomadski Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:00 am





    And for my morning mental constitutional ; regarding destroying Bridges on Dnieper , then Russia can preserve those that it borders on the East coast of River , and destroy those that it does not border , further north . It is unlikely that Russia will want to go North , along the Bank of the River , much further than Zap city . Anything North of Zap city , should be taken down . This way , Russia can cross River in the South to go to Odessa by land , and insure no Tanks cross in the South and none cross Bridges in the North . Barges then only way left for Tank transports over River , can be dealt with .

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    Post  Erk Sat Jan 28, 2023 9:01 am

    Lol @GaryB crickets = "Land Shrimp".
    I guess they will be in military rations at some point.

    At least you can get flavored ones.
    https://www.edibleinsects.com/product/mini-kickers-set-savory-flavored-roasted-cricket-snack/


    Interview on Redacted with Scott Ritter on Western tanks being sent to Ukraine.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:33 pm

    @WarMonitors
    According to Ukrainian sources, Bakhmut is only 2.5km away from falling under operation encirclement.
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    @AZgeopolitics
    Soledar direction,situation as of 13.00 on January 28, 2023
    ▫At the Soledarsky site, Russian units advanced in the direction of Razdolovka, establishing control over two company points of the 10th ogshbr.
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    Post  Azi Sat Jan 28, 2023 12:53 pm

    limb wrote:Chinese industrial robots and machinery is superior to russian and the west.
    Seriously...WHAT kind of BAD SHIT you are smoking?

    The biggest companies for industrial robots are...

    • ABB (Switzerland)

    • Fanuc (Japan)

    • KUKA (Germany)

    • Yaskawa (Japan)

    • Comau (Italy)

    • Epson (Japan)

    • Kawasaki (Japan)

    • Mitsubishi (Japan)


    China is nowhere near the top 10!

    Yes, Russia also has mechanical engineering and a robot industry. But in the past it wasn't that important for Russia because it imported high tech...that's still due to the curse of the 90's. With the decoupling from the West, this area will grow strongly in Russia and in 10 to 20 years we will surely see companies that can compete on the world market. We have seen that Russia has regained skills it lost in the 1990s. Russia is again building large, highly efficient gas turbines, etc.

    By the way, no country in the world has to be good at EVERYTHING, if someone can do something better why not buy from them... that's called the golbal economy. It is important that you don't lose important core competencies and that you are always technically up to date, if you master a technology, the output of the production is only a child's play.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:25 pm

    Fighters for Pukraine.  My view, not politically but militraly:

    1) no change of actual strategic balance yet good to be prepared.
    2) no way Uknazi regime can train pilots  - NATO pilots will be fighting.
    3) US/NATO strategy tactics is based on air superiority and virtually no AAD - it would be nice to prove them wrong attacking Russians
    4) 24 less qualified piloits for NATO to attack Russia + Laughing Laughing Laughing




    @Azi
    no no no Baltics  have surely all. Including armies ready to crush evil Ruskies. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil

    As for robots - we are talking here about industrial robots, not UAV or unmanned cars, army robots or Poseidon drones. Here Russia is on pair  with the west.
    IMHO industrial robots are not prerequisite to manufacture but are driven by manufacturers of different goodies.  In  USSR there were up to 100,000 industrial robota because of not enough man power.. West destroyed this in 90s and now Russia must rebuild.  With surge of aerospace and electronics, car/military vehicles industry + not enough workforce this will enforce massive robotization of manufacturing.

    China is not yet the biggest country as IR manufacturer. But number of installations is ~ 1million of  IRs.  Chinese have program to increase domestic IRs from 30% in 2021 to 50% in 2025. So when they can make half a million robots yearly Russia can got a helping hand till own Ir industry will kick off.




    IFR: China surpasses U.S. in robot density
    https://www.therobotreport.com/ifr-china-surpasses-u-s-in-robot-density/

    Almost Half of Industrial Robots Are in China
    https://www.engineering.com/story/almost-half-of-industrial-robots-are-in-china





    With China currently importing the vast majority of robots it installs, the government is prioritizing this area for development as part of the Made in China 2025 initiative as Firouzian explains:

    “Chinese robotic manufacturers are now on an offensive path to gain ground on their home turf and boost the domestic market share from 30% to 50%.”


    China’s Top 5 Industrial Robot Producers
    https://emag.directindustry.com/2022/09/29/chinas-top-5-industrial-robot-producers/


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    Post  Arrow Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:27 pm

    It seems that Ukraine will probably also receive F-16s and maybe F-18s. I wonder how long they will survive on the battlefield with such a high saturation of Russian anti-aircraft defenses and VKS? They will probably be supported by AWACS.
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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:31 pm

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    Perhaps its only fair to bombard Kiev and other major Pukrainian cities with these petal mines to make life for every Pukranian cannon fodder more miserable. Without power, and with snow, it will be more difficult to spot these mines in the streets attack

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    Post  DerWolf Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:47 pm

    How is the situation in Ugledar, any progress?
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    Post  limb Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:47 pm

    None.
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    Post  Broski Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:56 pm

    Perhaps its only fair to bombard Kiev and other major Pukrainian cities with these petal mines to make life for every Pukranian cannon fodder more miserable. Without power, and with snow, it will be more difficult to spot these mines in the streets
    Russia has nothing to gain from committing the same atrocities and war crimes on ordinary Ukrainians that the Ukronazi regime does since Russia will be living with at least half of these people after they vote to rejoin the Russian Federation.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:21 pm

    I heard one of the Russian fighters in the Donbass being interviewed who dropped claim that Kiev will be retaken. It does not seem
    like an official position, but I think that Russia should leverage NATzO's escalation to go for the best option. So the west
    bank of the Dnepr from the north to the south extending to a boundary running north from Moldova should be the goal.

    The latest US "peace proposal" involves rearming the Kiev regime with tanks, missiles, ABM systems and even demilitarizing Crimea.
    Russia needs hard core regime change and not some partial territorial loss in the south and east. This is "decisive" in the wrong
    way. The objective must be to prevent any NATzO proxy platform for aggression against Russia and ethnic Russians on its
    territory.



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    Post  Firebird Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:21 pm

    Kiev needs to be Russian controlled again.
    Kiev has the biggest Motherland status already, along with Volgograd.
    That gives us one indicator of some of the issues.

    The Mother City of the Rus can be cleansed of vermin. And it sends a powerful message to GATO. That Russia is back, not part of Russia, not most of Russia, but Russia proper.

    And it will also need a buffer zone.
    So ultimately, that means most of Banderastan can come under the control of a pro Russian strongman.
    Its clear they have no time for democracy. Which is fine. Vichy puppet elensky can be replaced with someone who will round up the Banderavermin.

    Fix the problem now, or let it grow for another 30 yrs.
    Putin finally admitted he should never have let the problem grow from 2014 to 2022. Infact he actually apologised for it.

    So there's a lesson for the Baltics, Kazakstan, other FSU places and indeed the whole of E Europe.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:38 pm

    @Broski
    No way border can be on Dnieper river, as there are too many cities that would get cut in half. Best example would be Kiev. They will have to take whole Kiev, Cherkasy and other oblasts. But, it is still too early too talk about that.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:42 pm

    They will have to take whole Kiev, Cherkasy and other oblasts. But, it is still too early too talk about that. wrote:

    And the whole south to Transnistria. For this, an additional million troops are needed. It is doubtful that Putin would want to mobilize so much.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:47 pm

    Yeah you cannot make a boarder at Dnipro, due to act major cities are right on it you'd need to seize these cities and advance past the river for this.

    To take that much land much more men are needed its just impossible with the current russian numbers in Ukraine.

    Which outcomes remains to be seen, Russia is it wants to save it self problems in the future that it will not be able to fix, better take what it needs to now. From a security perspective failing to do this is a strategic failure.

    Only way to stop NATO from using Ukraine has a platform is to seize all of ukraine


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:48 pm

    I have to agree, no stopping at the Dniepr or whatever is an option.

    Every inch of the Ukraine should be secured and prevented from becoming any sort of threat in the future

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:50 pm

    And the whole south to Transnistria. For this, an additional million troops are needed. It is doubtful that Putin would want to mobilize so much.

    The war will evolve irrespective of what Putin wants

    And it will evolve according to the will and actions of the most belligerent party, not the most reasonable one. The former being the neo-cons in Washington.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:59 pm

    Having half of ukraine full of hungarian/polish related people in Russia is a bad thing on the long term. They will always object to everything and play US game.

    They shouldn't take it IMO. Take where there are russian people and leave the rest to depend on EU and don't allow nato there.

    It would be good to have the lands but the population will be too hostil and useless.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:10 pm


    Having half of ukraine full of hungarian/polish related people in Russia is a bad thing on the long term. They will always object to everything and play US game.

    t would be good to have the lands but the population will be too hostil and useless.

    There is a policy called Russification, look at the Ukrainians, a bunch of Russians who got brainwashed thinking that they have a separate national identity called "Ukraine". I'm sure Russia can use the same method for its own interests.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:14 pm

    I agree with the French and I have written about it myself several times. The city of Kiev hardly has a population that would want to live under the Russian flag. The question is how all this would pass in Odessa or Nikolaev now. The only solution is to displace a good part of the population and get half-empty cities. As for Kharkov, I have no doubt that it is gravitating towards Moscow. It is enough that Ukroshitstan is under the Russian boot, the territory is irrelevant.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:19 pm

    "Having half of ukraine full of hungarian/polish related people in Russia is a bad thing on the long term. They will always object to everything and play US game.

    They shouldn't take it IMO. Take where there are russian people and leave the rest to depend on EU and don't allow nato there.

    It would be good to have the lands but the population will be too hostil and useless."

    This is some fantasy view, you cannot stop NATO from going in once the war is over, sure those people will be hostile but they won't fight, they will bitch and moan sure.

    You will probs have to deal with a small scale insurgency for a bit but better than then letting NATO turn it into a platform against you

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:19 pm

    Just a note on one of the recent targets, it was not ancient Soviet as it was only a couple of years old.

    Dniprovska Substation is a 750/330/15.75kV substation located in Dniprovska, Zaporizhia, Ukraine. The construction works on Dniprovska Substation began in 2019. The project was commissioned in 2020.

    https://www.power-technology.com/marketdata/dniprovska-substation-ukraine/

    Irreplaceable.


    Meanwhile re Ugledar, there are comments that the Russians have fallen back. So, if correct, it could be another 'bait and switch' job where they poke the Ukies to get a reaction that hopefully pulls resources from other areas or some reserve units. All part of the reducing the UA being more important than gaining territory strategy. For now.

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    Post  Firebird Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:27 pm

    I doubt the lots hohols families who were forced to die for Uncle Sham will love the EU when the truth gets out.

    In any case, Japan is a compliant little bitch for America. So there are precedents for it.

    All in, the Westernmost bits could be demilitarised, with Russian bases and left to their own devices to some extent, provided Russian culture is respected.

    Half the Pukraine is even more pro Russian today. The central quarter would be fairly easy to manage.
    The Western quarter will have many of its inhabitants fucked off to clean toilets and suck cock in Europe.

    Anyone who supported Nazism/similar can be carted off to a forced labour camp on terrorism charges. Even Western powers considered Svoboda etc to be terrorists.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:35 pm

    For this, an additional million troops are needed.  
    BS. Most of NATOs best army has already been destroyed. 95% of the population will keep their heads down, just like they did in the last 9 years
    under the Nazi regime. Jobs (receiving money) and electricity/gas/food are more important than some worshippig of Bandera. Most of the pure 
    Nazis will run away to the west. Will be fun to watch what NATO/EU does with all those entitled UkroNazis. The few thousand (at best/worst) that
    will try some insurgency/terrorism will be dealt with mainly by the FSB and Rosgvardija.

    The area in which Russia needs some form of mobilization are the civilian administrations and even the state-owned corporations. They have to
    take over the local administrations and parts of the economy. You can´t just keep all of the civil servants in place. At least until their innocence
    is proven.

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