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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
ALAMO- Posts : 5848
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- Post n°577
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
zorobabel Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:59 pm
It is pretty clear the US will provide Ukraine with anything that doesn't have the threat of being captured. HIMARS was the first step. Now GLSDB. No, they won't provide Abrams tanks because they don't want them to be paraded around, but they will provide MLRS that can kill 100 Russian soldiers in a single strike.
It's chess. Right now it is Russia's move.
It's chess. Right now it is Russia's move.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
thegopnik Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:15 pm
Russians just want to drag this war on into the future to use it as a dick measuring contest, oh you destroyed 100 tanks in Afghanistan. we destroyed 10,000 tanks in Ukraine backed by NATO intel 24/7.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
PapaDragon Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:19 pm
Roshel Senator?
That thing barely has enough ground clearance to handle asphalt let alone mud
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Oh no bro.
Russkie just reversed the PPP concept.
Putin, by saying that Russia produces the amount of AD missiles equal to the whole world combined - was serious.
And that includes the Israel, forced to make hundreds of missiles to match a bloody hydraulic pipe filled with powder the Palestinian teenagers are throwing on them ...
They can provide at least 3x factor of toys for the same pricetag. 5x would be more realistic.
And they are supported by the numerous countries, where this factor is even bigger ...
Let's play a game ....
Russkie just reversed the PPP concept.
Putin, by saying that Russia produces the amount of AD missiles equal to the whole world combined - was serious.
And that includes the Israel, forced to make hundreds of missiles to match a bloody hydraulic pipe filled with powder the Palestinian teenagers are throwing on them ...
They can provide at least 3x factor of toys for the same pricetag. 5x would be more realistic.
And they are supported by the numerous countries, where this factor is even bigger ...
Let's play a game ....
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and is a heavier munition
Most Himars missiles have a 91kg warhead, the SDB has 93kg. Technically correct phrase but the difference is really not so great.
Kherson
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With GLSDB they will target Belgorod, Kursk, Brjansk and Mariupol on a daily basis. Woronesch is too far away.zorobabel wrote:The US is going to provide GLSDB to Ukraine. Nasty weapons. But as expected, Ukraine is the testing ground for NATO's frontline armaments.[/b]
The 80 km more range won't change much militarily, but you can terrorize more big cities and that's exactly the goal of the Nazis. They want to hit oil tanks, pipelines, power plants, and possibly civilian targets like malls or hospitals.
Advantage for AA is the trajectory of the GLSDB and its RCS, it is likely to be much easier to intercept than the GLMRS.
It must be noted that Russia has no means of escalation to prevent such deliveries. The only two options would be to attack NATO directly or defeat Ukraine. The US has smelled blood and they will deliver EVERYTHING except nuclear warheads (Pretty sure we'll see ATACMS and F-16s on the battlefield soon). I even think NATO intervention in the conflict is 50% possible...the retards of the collective West are so self-confident and think Russia is about to capitulate tomorrow.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
zorobabel Wed Jan 18, 2023 11:59 pm
ATACMS will be the next step. Those will allow Ukraine to target the Kerch Straight Bridge as well as almost all of Crimea. Those are coming but I think we are still two or so months away from seeing that happen.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:31 am
Great Prigozhin's retort on recent ridiculous rules tried to be imposed on military. If military really tries to impose any of these rules on the army in field, I expect even more officers and professional soldiers to join Wagner ranks after their contract expires. Not to mention that he used another opportunity to show a certain disdain to some career military men and their way of thinking.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36332
Founder of PMC "Wagner" about the ban on shaving beards and giving up tablets and smartphones.
E. Prigozhin commented on the words of the deputy of the State Duma, Lieutenant-General V. Sobolev, that many commanders demand from soldiers.
“A soldier must fight. A soldier sees civilians once a month, or even less often. 80% of the time at the front, soldiers wash themselves with a bottle, and shaving is generally a great luxury. A considerable part of both Muslims and Orthodox, according to religious customs, wear a beard. The beard at the front is a symbol, it is a tradition. As Leonid Osipovich Utyosov sang: “When we drive out the Fritz, there will be time, we will shave ...”.
As for tablets and smartphones. Tablets and smartphones are essential to modern warfare. Accurate geodata are available, including heights and other terrain secrets. Thanks to smartphones and tablets, junior commanders and fighters of certain specialties (and they are from 30 to 50% of all military men) know the general situation and can transmit the data necessary in battle. Another thing is that it is necessary to correctly use the means of communication and have those that the enemy could not detect. Of course, some of the degenerates use them to chat on WhatsApp, Viber and other enemy means of transmitting information.
The requirements that Lieutenant General Sobolev spoke about are archaic of the 60s, the lack of modern military erudition. This is one of the serious reasons why the quality of combat operations suffers. As they say, instead of bending your fingers and trying to comb everyone under your ridiculous rules, principles and whims, you need to develop along with the development of modern warfare, learn how to effectively kill the enemy and seize territories. And if you follow the principle: instead of the development of military equipment - parades, reviews and competitions, instead of iron eggs - stupid obedience and sycophancy, then you need to play lightning. It is impossible to castrate the combat-ready population of the country, to drive them into an absurd framework. War is the time of the active and courageous, and not of the clean-shaven with phones handed over to the warehouse. Personally, unlike the fighters at the front, I have enough time, so I carry out the instructions of Lieutenant General Sobolev and shave almost every day.
t.me/RVvoenkor
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36332
Founder of PMC "Wagner" about the ban on shaving beards and giving up tablets and smartphones.
E. Prigozhin commented on the words of the deputy of the State Duma, Lieutenant-General V. Sobolev, that many commanders demand from soldiers.
“A soldier must fight. A soldier sees civilians once a month, or even less often. 80% of the time at the front, soldiers wash themselves with a bottle, and shaving is generally a great luxury. A considerable part of both Muslims and Orthodox, according to religious customs, wear a beard. The beard at the front is a symbol, it is a tradition. As Leonid Osipovich Utyosov sang: “When we drive out the Fritz, there will be time, we will shave ...”.As for tablets and smartphones. Tablets and smartphones are essential to modern warfare. Accurate geodata are available, including heights and other terrain secrets. Thanks to smartphones and tablets, junior commanders and fighters of certain specialties (and they are from 30 to 50% of all military men) know the general situation and can transmit the data necessary in battle. Another thing is that it is necessary to correctly use the means of communication and have those that the enemy could not detect. Of course, some of the degenerates use them to chat on WhatsApp, Viber and other enemy means of transmitting information.
The requirements that Lieutenant General Sobolev spoke about are archaic of the 60s, the lack of modern military erudition. This is one of the serious reasons why the quality of combat operations suffers. As they say, instead of bending your fingers and trying to comb everyone under your ridiculous rules, principles and whims, you need to develop along with the development of modern warfare, learn how to effectively kill the enemy and seize territories. And if you follow the principle: instead of the development of military equipment - parades, reviews and competitions, instead of iron eggs - stupid obedience and sycophancy, then you need to play lightning. It is impossible to castrate the combat-ready population of the country, to drive them into an absurd framework. War is the time of the active and courageous, and not of the clean-shaven with phones handed over to the warehouse. Personally, unlike the fighters at the front, I have enough time, so I carry out the instructions of Lieutenant General Sobolev and shave almost every day.t.me/RVvoenkor
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The Anglosphere and its minions are seeking hard to unbalance Russia's attrition strategy and force it to make stupid moves.
I assume contingency plans have been drawn up for the eventuality of ATACMS by increasing the amount of air defence, electronic countermeasures and tools to hunt the HIMARS more efficiently.
I assume contingency plans have been drawn up for the eventuality of ATACMS by increasing the amount of air defence, electronic countermeasures and tools to hunt the HIMARS more efficiently.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
SolidarityWithRussia Thu Jan 19, 2023 12:34 am
Do we have any reliable sources about how many artillery systems are left for Ukraine at the moment? Reports about attacks from Himars have been rare recently, so I assume most of them are already destroyed.
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I worry about the leader of Wagner and Wagner itself becoming a kind of praetorian guard. Is he a patriot? Would he be influenced by the west to make a coup attempt?
Ruskies are in the right in this conflict, and yet I hear much more internal criticism inside Russia than here in the west. I find this unsettling. Russia needs to learn from mistakes and stay open to genuine criticism but it is so vital for the leadership to hold to a unified front of unwavering support to knock back the west.
Ruskies are in the right in this conflict, and yet I hear much more internal criticism inside Russia than here in the west. I find this unsettling. Russia needs to learn from mistakes and stay open to genuine criticism but it is so vital for the leadership to hold to a unified front of unwavering support to knock back the west.
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Wagner is not Rosgvardia. It is not a "standing army". As functional entity it will spend all of its time outside Russia's borders.
The Praetorian Guard were bodyguard units for the Roman power elite so they were a tool for politics. Russian oligarchs during the
1990s had such personal guard units composed of ex-KGB and military. Rosgvardia is nothing like this and no unit of the Russian
army answers to oligarchs and state bureaucrats.
We saw in 1999 the Russian army acting to prop up Putin in the wake of the NATzO gang rape of Serbia and essentially stage a
coup against comprador Yeltsin. The transition did not involve the usual fight around the presidential palace but it was a real
turnover of power. I do not see any rot since 1999 that would turn parts of the Russian army into a Praetorian Guard.
The Praetorian Guard were bodyguard units for the Roman power elite so they were a tool for politics. Russian oligarchs during the
1990s had such personal guard units composed of ex-KGB and military. Rosgvardia is nothing like this and no unit of the Russian
army answers to oligarchs and state bureaucrats.
We saw in 1999 the Russian army acting to prop up Putin in the wake of the NATzO gang rape of Serbia and essentially stage a
coup against comprador Yeltsin. The transition did not involve the usual fight around the presidential palace but it was a real
turnover of power. I do not see any rot since 1999 that would turn parts of the Russian army into a Praetorian Guard.
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Summary by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine (18.01.2023)
In the Kupyan direction, artillery of the Western Military District inflicted fire on units of the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades of the AFU and the 103rd Territorial Defense Brigade in the areas of Dvurechnoye, Krakhmalne of Kharkiv Oblast and Novoselovskoye of Luhansk People's Republic. Over 60 Ukrainian servicemen, an armored personnel carrier, two pickup trucks, two vehicles and one US-made M777 artillery system were destroyed.
In the Krasno-Limansky direction, artillery fire from formations of the Central Military District and Airborne Troops and strikes by army and assault aviation on accumulations of manpower defeated units of the 92nd Mechanized, 80th and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU near the settlements of Stelmakhivka, Chervona Dibrova of the Lugansk People's Republic, as well as Serebryansky forest area. Total losses of the AFU in this direction during the day amounted to more than 90 Ukrainian soldiers, infantry fighting vehicle and three armored fighting vehicles.
In addition, two US-made AN/TPQ-50 and AN/TPQ-48 counter-battery radar stations and an ST-68 target detection and tracking radar were destroyed.
In the Donetsk direction, volunteer assault squads, with fire support from tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery of the Southern Military District, liberated the settlement of Sol in the Donetsk People's Republic. During the day, up to 90 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored fighting vehicles, four vehicles, an Msta-B howitzer and a Grad MLRS combat vehicle were destroyed in this area.
In addition, a warehouse of HIMARS and Grad multiple rocket launcher ammunition was destroyed near the city of Kramatorsk.
On the South Donets direction, artillery units of the Eastern and Southern Military Districts, as well as marines of the Pacific Fleet thwarted attempts by the AFU to attack with up to three assault groups in the direction of Stepnoye, Sladkoye and Urozhaynoye settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic. Total losses of the enemy were up to 90 Ukrainian servicemen, four armored fighting vehicles, one pickup truck and seven vehicles.
Operational-tactical aviation, missile forces and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during the day struck 76 AFU artillery units at firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 103 areas.
Fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force shot down an Su-25 aircraft of the air force of Ukraine near the village of Yablonovka, Donetsk People's Republic.
The air defense forces destroyed seven Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Krivosheyevka, Kremenna, Chervonopopovka and Krasnorechenske settlements of the Luhansk People's Republic, as well as intercepted an Olha multiple-launch rocket near Vladimirovka settlement of the Donetsk People's Republic.
In the Kupyan direction, artillery of the Western Military District inflicted fire on units of the 14th and 92nd mechanized brigades of the AFU and the 103rd Territorial Defense Brigade in the areas of Dvurechnoye, Krakhmalne of Kharkiv Oblast and Novoselovskoye of Luhansk People's Republic. Over 60 Ukrainian servicemen, an armored personnel carrier, two pickup trucks, two vehicles and one US-made M777 artillery system were destroyed. In the Krasno-Limansky direction, artillery fire from formations of the Central Military District and Airborne Troops and strikes by army and assault aviation on accumulations of manpower defeated units of the 92nd Mechanized, 80th and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU near the settlements of Stelmakhivka, Chervona Dibrova of the Lugansk People's Republic, as well as Serebryansky forest area. Total losses of the AFU in this direction during the day amounted to more than 90 Ukrainian soldiers, infantry fighting vehicle and three armored fighting vehicles. In addition, two US-made AN/TPQ-50 and AN/TPQ-48 counter-battery radar stations and an ST-68 target detection and tracking radar were destroyed. In the Donetsk direction, volunteer assault squads, with fire support from tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery of the Southern Military District, liberated the settlement of Sol in the Donetsk People's Republic. During the day, up to 90 Ukrainian servicemen, three armored fighting vehicles, four vehicles, an Msta-B howitzer and a Grad MLRS combat vehicle were destroyed in this area. In addition, a warehouse of HIMARS and Grad multiple rocket launcher ammunition was destroyed near the city of Kramatorsk. On the South Donets direction, artillery units of the Eastern and Southern Military Districts, as well as marines of the Pacific Fleet thwarted attempts by the AFU to attack with up to three assault groups in the direction of Stepnoye, Sladkoye and Urozhaynoye settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic. Total losses of the enemy were up to 90 Ukrainian servicemen, four armored fighting vehicles, one pickup truck and seven vehicles. Operational-tactical aviation, missile forces and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during the day struck 76 AFU artillery units at firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 103 areas. Fighter aircraft of the Russian Air Force shot down an Su-25 aircraft of the air force of Ukraine near the village of Yablonovka, Donetsk People's Republic. The air defense forces destroyed seven Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Krivosheyevka, Kremenna, Chervonopopovka and Krasnorechenske settlements of the Luhansk People's Republic, as well as intercepted an Olha multiple-launch rocket near Vladimirovka settlement of the Donetsk People's Republic.GarryB, d_taddei2, Big_Gazza, kvs, Hole, Broski, Belisarius and Podlodka77 like this post
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all western tank reputations would be on the line.
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Oh Alamo, the fun is just getting started. M1A1s and leopards losing their aura of invincibility may just demilitarize the USnA. Oh the senate hearings about why they and bradleys got smashed are gonna be popcorn worthy
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 19, 2023 2:17 am
The issue is, the Ukrainians will respond to the fall of the Charlie Line by using terror tactics
I expect something major to explode soon
That's usually how it has gone since the beginning of the SMO
Yes security measures have been beefed up- but how long can that last?
All it would take is one hit to discredit everything Moscow has done until now
And that will be talked about at the Russian dinner table-
Russians won't mind the war as long as it's not on the territory, but one strike can change all that
The Russian leadership has a bad habit of falling into comfortable routine
I expect something major to explode soon
That's usually how it has gone since the beginning of the SMO
Yes security measures have been beefed up- but how long can that last?
All it would take is one hit to discredit everything Moscow has done until now
And that will be talked about at the Russian dinner table-
Russians won't mind the war as long as it's not on the territory, but one strike can change all that
The Russian leadership has a bad habit of falling into comfortable routine
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Doubtful Leopard 2 or M1A2 tanks will be sent. I think Russians captured one of the Polish T-72s in less than a week? They're scared to death to see them destroyed by Kornets or captured by Russian soldiers.
Just more long-range weapons.
Just more long-range weapons.
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Alright I got it now, the 300k + reserves are to fight Poland and not Ukraine. But if NATO really did promise they would not assist Poland if they got involved in the conflict than the best outcome of the war is for Russia to annex them next.
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Yeah, no. While I know Polish can be a nuisance (except Alamo), can you imagine them and how they will be under Russian control?
It's best to just keep em at arms length.
It's best to just keep em at arms length.
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All it would take is one hit to discredit everything Moscow has done until now And that will be talked about at the Russian dinner table- Russians won't mind the war as long as it's not on the territory, but one strike can change all that The Russian leadership has a bad habit of falling into comfortable routine wrote:
if this happens support for the war will get even stronger. The Russian people will demand Zelenskys head.
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RE: Soledar, the salt mine is now the pretty part. 
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36
GunshipDemocracy Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:28 am
@Alamo - I just hope that Wagner soldiers after a half year contract decide to continue being a part Wagner team. It would be such a waste to disband many experienced and brave soldiers during war against Russia.
Thanks I love you too
BTW being a country friendly to Russia would require to stop pro Us propaganda and blatant lies for years to come and start to straighten up history..not realistic foreseeable future.
Sepheronx wrote:Yeah, no. While I know Polish can be a nuisance (except Alamo), can you imagine them and how they will be under Russian control?
Thanks I love you too
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I didn't even know you were Polish either honestly.
But yeah, it isn't even US propaganda and what not. Poland always had its beef with Russia for longer than any one of us or our grandparents been alive. Only way is to try and build relations with new people where maybe both sides can look past the issues of the past.
But I doubt it.
But yeah, it isn't even US propaganda and what not. Poland always had its beef with Russia for longer than any one of us or our grandparents been alive. Only way is to try and build relations with new people where maybe both sides can look past the issues of the past.
But I doubt it.
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