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    [Official] Armata Discussion thread #6

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:21 pm

    lyle6 wrote:

    See that gouge on the entry hole? The one that looks to be made by a slanted impact.

    The projectile is supposed to arrive at close to a flat angle maybe a degree angle of descent at most, with the witness plate inclined at 60 degrees more or less. For the projectile to gouge the armor that way it must have a positive tilt relative to the armor surface...

    A 10 degrees relative tilt is enough to reduce penetration by 20% - 20 degrees to 50%...

    And is it just me or is the armor dented further below...

    Look at the direction the removed plate is bent in, it is upside down. That taken into account the holes align such that the incoming projectile would be fired at zero elevation.

    The thing I am not sure about is if the second plate is infact penetrated, that they did not remove it from the mount suggest it was not.

    One other thing I noticed is that the ERA on the newer model T-14 seemed to get up to twice as thick as the ERA shown in this test.

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    Ofcourse this assumes that the ERA is mounted in a similar way to Relikt.

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    Post  lyle6 Fri Jul 05, 2024 8:28 pm

    Its not. The top of the plate is the outer surface when it was hit - look at the slot for the lug. The plate is also bent downwards (inwards).

    Obr. 2021 probably increased the overlap on the vertex to get rid of the edge problem with ERA.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 06, 2024 7:12 am

    In one of the frontline materials provided, one of the VDV Kornet operators explained that Kornet already has an indirect attack mode.
    It must not fly along the laser beam, but can deviate to attack side/top.
    Honestly, I have never heard it before.

    Ahhh, that makes sense... I have seen videos... I think it was Combat Approved, about ATGMs... I think the Khrisantema, where they showed video footage of a missile that looks rather like Kornet, flying towards a T-72 type tank target, but instead of hitting it directly it flys like a Bofors Bill 2... it attacks from directly in front and the tank has its turret facing forward but it flies about 2m above the turret height and when it draws level with the tank directly over the turret it explodes with a plasma beam directed down through the turret and the turret is blown off... presumably it has a loaded autoloader and the ammo is hit directly by warhead...

    The Kornet uses laser beam riding, so how hard would it be to send a pulse code through the beam it is riding on to the target to detonate the warhead as the missiles distance and the tanks distance are equal... a simple MAD detector would probably work too.

    Just watched the Chrisantemum show and it mentions top attack weapons as a direction they are going with improved missile designs.

    I thought it might have been on the Mi-28NM/LMUR video but I can't see it in that either.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sat Jul 06, 2024 6:46 pm

    lyle6 wrote:
    Obr. 2021 probably increased the overlap on the vertex to get rid of the edge problem with ERA.

    That would only apply if the hull used a "solid" wedge shaped composite array. It would also make no sense for them to have ever made a tank with the flier plates touching the hull in any section.
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    Post  lyle6 Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:47 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:

    That would only apply if the hull used a "solid" wedge shaped composite array. It would also make no sense for them to have ever made a tank with the flier plates touching the hull in any section.


    No. There is another section of ERA where the interlap of the upper and lower wedge used to be. Look at the weld marks.

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