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    Post  Swgman_BK Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:37 am

    Has anybody heard of the Pak-SV/KVP program? Its apparently something the Russian defense ministry is considering. Its a naval fighter jet. Something like a F/A18 but for the Russian Navy. I hear Yakovlev is under consideration for such a thing. I personally feel like Yakovlev is going to do a terrible job and would have had JSC Mikoyan do it instead. But who knows. Apparently its something along the lines of this
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:25 am

    Pak-SV/KVP Pipk_m12

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    Twin engined MiG.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:58 am

    They are gonna build that? That looks awesome. Without the carnards its awesome.
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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 23, 2022 7:59 am

    This thing has no future.

    They should make a single engine light fighter like su-75. It can have clients around the world and even in russian air force.

    But a heavy twin engine mig has no future. Sukhoi already secured that area for the bext 30-40 years with its su-57. And since Russia is not USSR they can't have two such aircraft.

    However there is plenty of room for light single engine aircraft. Jf-17 uses the mig-29's engine and it proved to be reliable as a single engine aircraft. 7 ton class aircraft, 0.5m2 rcs, 1 weapon bay for 4 r-77-1 or 2 bigger r-37M or bombs, a stealthy IR missile under wings (thrust vectoring with no wings), zhuk-AShE aesa radar, ols-35 already developed, ECM pods. And keep the price below 25 million.

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    Post  Swgman_BK Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:06 am

    This thing has no future. They should make a single engine light fighter like su-75. It can have clients around the world and even in russian air force. But a heavy twin engine mig has no future. Sukhoi already secured that area for the bext 30-40 years with its su-57. And since Russia is not USSR they can't have two such aircraft. However there is plenty of room for light single engine aircraft. Jf-17 uses the mig-29's engine and it proved to be reliable as a single engine aircraft. 7 ton class aircraft, 0.5m2 rcs, 1 weapon bay for 4 r-77-1 or 2 bigger r-37M or bombs, a stealthy IR missile under wings (thrust vectoring with no wings), zhuk-AShE aesa radar, ols-35 already developed, ECM pods. And keep the price below 25 million. wrote:

    I dont know who told you this but a naval aircraft is being developed or at least considerations are underway to create such a thing. Its supposed to be built for the Russian navy and be a 5th gen aircraft built specifically for the new Shtorm aircraft carriers. At the moment , 3 fighter jets are under development. 1 Sukhoi , 1 Mig (Mig31 5++ replacement) and potentially 1 Yakovlev (5++ modern interpretation of the Yak141). So this might actually happen.
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:58 am

    alternathistory.com isnt a serious page
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    Post  GarryB Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:05 pm

    They should make a single engine light fighter like su-75. It can have clients around the world and even in russian air force.

    The Russian military is conservative and like twin engined aircraft... look at how many single engined helicopters they have for instance...

    The Su-75 doesn't actually look very light to me... 3,000km range and 7.5 ton payload... light fighter my backside.

    But a heavy twin engine mig has no future.

    True, but this is not a heavy twin engined MiG, this is a light carrier capable MiG twin jet aircraft.

    It is cheaper to operate than the Su-57 and that is all it needs to achieve.

    You don't go to war with the cheapest aircraft you could justify... otherwise no one would buy Rafales for instance.

    It all comes down to value for money and what makes sense to spend money on and what does not.

    However there is plenty of room for light single engine aircraft. Jf-17 uses the mig-29's engine and it proved to be reliable as a single engine aircraft. 7 ton class aircraft, 0.5m2 rcs, 1 weapon bay for 4 r-77-1 or 2 bigger r-37M or bombs, a stealthy IR missile under wings (thrust vectoring with no wings), zhuk-AShE aesa radar, ols-35 already developed, ECM pods. And keep the price below 25 million.

    Amusing people pretend that it is the engine that makes aircraft expensive...

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