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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:39 am

    This is for "fanboys" of Russia. russia



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    Post  billybatts91 Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:07 am

    Even the most liberal weakling weasels are acting very militaristic, imperialist and bloodthirsty now if it means helping destroy a traditional and patriotic nation like Russia smh...These westerners are really exposing themselves and what they're all about.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:33 am

    anyone else seen before this level of carnage among the ukro army?
    telegram is going for days from the ukro side.

    APCs that got gutted including their passengers by RF heavy weapon fire
    loads of vids from RF drones dropping ordnance on custered groups of infantry
    morgues stacked with ukro bodybags , and i mean stacked towards the ceiling
    panicking ukrainians firing on their fleeing men from the frontline, thinking it is the RF advance
    ukro troops posting just a handfull are left after allied troops whiped their platoon nearly out.
    ukrainian troops posting saying they hear RF troops advancing and closing in by the ongoing combat

    this is bigger than the ukro failure of the kherson offensive regarding how bad things go for ukraine
    i do not know what russia deployed on the front near bakhmut

    this kind of effect n the enemy is only caused when you bring skilled,well motivated people together that know combat under capable command
    there is near zero combat footage from the z side from where ukrainians are send en masse to meet Bandera. indicating very tight opsec rules in place.

    eventually the footage will be released. but for now things are apocalyptic for ukrainians in the bakhmut region
    i hope z force is doing well regarding WIA and KIA.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Dec 01, 2022 3:52 am

    I always thought this unlikely... as well as transfers of more advanced Western weapons... much more complex to operate and you have to have an apparatus helping your operation that is simply not feasible at the current stage of the conflict... sooner or later Ukraine will have to sit at the negotiating table... as it is inexorably doomed...

    More importantly they have seen wonder weapons like Stinger and Javelin and NLAW and M777 etc etc all fail miserably or not make a huge difference in this conflict and they don't want to besmirch the name of their own product by allowing the Russians to brutalise it in the field of battle and wave captured trophies on video...

    The latter of course would also mean they would have to get off their arses and actually develop a new replacement system that is better, and while the current shit sells why waste money making new shit?

    That turkish drone is a good example... against an opponent with weak air defence or in the case of HATO not very much air defence stuff at all... mostly just protecting HQs and the odd airfield, then it is fantastic... cheaper than manned aircraft and able to perform a range of roles only rich countries could have done because they could afford the manned aircraft to do it.

    With air defence however those medium sized drones don't actually last very long and appear to be useless.

    All powerful or useless... neither of which is actually true really... useful against weak opponents but too vulnerable against very strong opponents.

    The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksii Reznikov said that 3 French MLRS LRU (M-270) arrived in Ukraine.

    Much easier to distinguish from civilian trucks, and those tracks will burn fuel like nobodies business, not to mention the mess they will make of the roads and areas they drive over... further making tracking them rather easier...

    And the issue of getting those 227mm rockets to those vehicles and loading them... they are not hand load rockets.

    And when I see an idiot like Scholtz make a statement like this, I'm sure how bad things are going for Ukraine...
    I don't know if it's my thing, but every time that guy opens his mouth I have the impression that he doesn't have perfect judgment... honestly: he gives the image of a mental retard... I only feel sorry for the Germans of well...

    Do we think it is an accident that this conflict didn't start until Merkel was out of office.... I am guessing she didn't want a war and to lose cheap gas from Russia in return for not enough gas from the US at ten times the price.

    Could you stop quoting me from other thread like a dickhead. Don't worry they saw your dumb fanboy statements. And stop fllowing me like a dog wherever I write something, go find you some friends. You're sticky as hell.

    GarryB should ban you.

    I wont ban him, but he is getting very very personal... Pod dude, you do need to dial it back, this is becoming an unhealthy fixation for you and some other members.

    It is OK not to agree on things, but this is going too far.
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    If you piss on Russian weapons, I will "piss" on your messages - clear?!

    If anyone does not like Russian weapons or Russian things then that is fine, you don't have to love everything Russian blindly to post on this forum without fear of being abused.

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    Good, hopefully it will go much higher

    Once this is over it is this number which will be preventing new wars from happening

    Any time there's a future correspondence with angsty folks in the west just add a post-it note with this number to any paperwork that gets sent and there will be no problems

    The core problem is that the number will go up or down depending on the message trying to be made in the west... Putin is a bastard because he killed 2 million Ukrainian soldiers in this conflict, but the Russian Army are weak because the Ukraine only lost 10K soldiers and all the rest were innocent civilians wearing uniforms and carrying guns caught up in the fighting... raped and then killed by chechens obviously... Rolling Eyes

    The hilarious thing is that only a few decades ago it was innocent Chechens being oppressed and murdered and killed by evil Russians... those freedom fighters getting their message across by putting bombs in Moscow music theatres and Schools...

    Even the most liberal weakling weasels are acting very militaristic, imperialist and bloodthirsty now if it means helping destroy a traditional and patriotic nation like Russia smh...These westerners are really exposing themselves and what they're all about.

    But don't you just love their confidence... funnelling more money and guns and ammo into the Ukraine and they can defeat the Russian Army... in Europe... in winter...



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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:40 am

    The performance of the Kiev regime army reflects its declining level of training. The losses of trained troops over the last 9 months
    come at a price.

    But the change in pace around Bakhmut is is due to the Russian army finally taking an active role. The 5,000 Wagner mercs could
    not be expected to take the town on a reasonably short timescale even if they have support. The pacing of this war is governed
    by considerations other than military ones.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:44 am

    Yeah, for a while now things the Ukrs upload are devastating for them.
    I suppose that constitutes to the morale breaking.
    Yesterday a mob in Kiev blocked tram line, only furious that the tram has the electricity to run. How dumb it is from the personal perspective, to yap against accessible public transportation in this horror - speaks about the mental condition of the mob.
    On the other hand, the masters of the puppets are starting to be really desperate it seems.
    Blinken just announced, that they consider restarting f a production of WarPac times military gear in Estern European countries - Czech, Slovakia and Bulgaria.
    It is funny why they are calling those, while lets say Poland was one of the main military stuff producer back then.
    Well ... it is because Czech retained an industrial power, just as it was after the WW2, when they have been the first AF in Europe other than Germany equipped with jet planes. Slovakia, because some assisting to the Czech industry stayed there. And Bulgaria, because they have produced and sold worldwide some Soviet era things till very now. Including ammunition.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:57 am

    GarryB Today at 3:52 am

    The French is a man who has no "arguments", which he keeps mentioning, except that he has arrogance.
    I did not threaten him physically or in any other way.
    For him, Limb, Seig, RTN, me and others like me are "fanboys".
    If the forum benefits more from Isos and such arrogant members then feel free to block me Garry. paratrooper

    Has anyone ever seen Isos like someone else's post, because I haven't ?! That says enough about a man - arrogance. .
    His "argument" is as follows; Rafale has an RCS of 0.1 m2. No, it doesnt, but with missiles it has an RCS of approximately no less than 3m2 - without the arenal the story is different.
    His "argument" is the price of the T-14 (where did he get his price list from) and the production capacity for those tanks, where he writes "no more than 50 tanks T-14 can be produced per year".
    As far as I know, Uralvagonzavod has over 20,000 workers, which is a fact in itself.

    If the Russians can deliver dozens of planes A YEAR, as well as 3 nuclear submarines A YEAR, as well as 4 missile brigades of the S-400 system A YEAR - should I remain silent on his "arguments" supported by NOTHING that Su-30/34 are crap (and far less RCS than he states), that Russia cannot produce 50 T-14 tanks, that the Iskander is inaccurate, that HIMARS is Darth Vader's personal weapon, etc ?

    I wrote what I had. I can leave voluntarily and I did that once, but if you block me, I won't come back. Where once I was not welcome, I will not return there.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:03 am

    Let him go bro.
    His ego is shattered to pieces already, the last thing he can do is whine quietly and call daddy for the rescue.
    No need to go emotional, everybody has a clue about his "arguments" Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:05 am

    To Alamo..

    I respect you as a friend and I will listen to your suggestion - so be it.. thumbsup
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:23 am

    Over the last 1.5 months of attempted advances on Kherson, the UA armed forces lost in excess of 10 000 soldiers along 20km of contact line in the Snigirevka area of Kherson oblast, says Barbashov (Snigirevka district head).

    That doesn't seem too far fetched, it looked pretty grim in aerial (drone) surveillance footage. And that was only a part of where the months-long grinding down of Ukrainian attacks took place, before Russia decided to leave Kherson city.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:41 am

    It is CNN that already allows opinions about Artemovsk being a "meatgrinder on Russian rules".
    They are getting the audience prepared for something.
    Yet I dare to be kinda opposite to hurray optimism about the "winter offensive".
    People sometimes put a perspective of let's say 1941 to this, forgetting that back then there were no roads in Russia. Almost nonexistent. Not only in Russia, but in all of Eastern Europe, including Poland, a hardened road was a rare species.
    People were carrying boots on stick on route to the church - and I mean it.
    They had only one pair, and could not allow it to get worn in a mud.
    That was the reality of the late 30s in Lvov area, as easy as that. One of the biggest cities in pre-war Poland, the capital of the Kresy.
    Now the situation is totally different - a road net in the Ukraine is big. Those roads are in fu'cked shape, still are hardened, and one can relocate both units and supply there in a normal way.
    S no, again, it won't be General Winter who will win, but the Russkie STAVKA.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:20 am

    ludovicense wrote:sooner or later Ukraine will have to sit at the negotiating table...

    Their only option is going to be an unconditional surrender, and their presence at any table is not required. Signal their surrender, and order their orcs to drop their weapons in their best imitation of frenchmen. Razz

    White Powder Zellie can sign the formal surrender at a negotiated time thereafter, provided of course he can avoid the Banderite Nazi death squad that will be looking at filling him full of holes... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:31 am

    Hole wrote:Nice comment from a dude on Twitter:
    If Ukraine has such manifestly superior equipment and logistics, why do they keep asking for more money and equipment? This seems to be Schrödinger’s Army: simultaneously running out of everything- troops, supplies, territory- and winning handily.

    Yup, and the Europeans are too scared to open the box and fix the result by observation... cuz they are only too aware that quantum mechanics ain't gonna be their friend on this one.... Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am

    Well Pod I call you a fanboy because you are literally a fanboy.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am

    Ukrs signing a peace deal or not are irrelevant.
    They will break it as soon as rearmed, and a new generation of Volksturm rises enough to unsafe the AK.
    Objectively, Russkie have hell of a job here, and I hardly can imagine how it can be resolved other than mass relocations.
    And really bombing the remaining part of Ukropistan into a stone age.
    Now the damage is mostly inflicted on the Russian historical territories.
    Changing that could make the Ukrs think twice, while they have only started to smell a morning coffee served by Surovikin a 6 weeks ago.
    Let them boil in their own juices for a while.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:17 am

    Lot of satellites were put in orbit during the SMO. I wonder if those are 30-45 days lasting satellites or the better ones that last for 10 years in their last variants.



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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:45 am

    Isos wrote:Lot of satellites were put in orbit during the SMO. I wonder if those are 30-45 days lasting satellites or the better ones that last for 10 years in their last variants.

    Nov 2: EKS/Kupol early warning satellite.
    Nov 28: GLONASS navigation satellite (GLONASS M-61)
    Dec 1: Secret, but officials said it carried multiple payloads. Rumored to be SIGINT-related (Lotos?)

    So, very different pieces of equipment. All supposed to stay for some time.

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:50 am

    But each time they can put more than 1 sat in orbit, no ? Something like or more.

    In theory they could have put 9 satellites in orbit with those 3 launches if not more.
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    Post  lancelot Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:54 am

    What couple of weeks do you think Russia is still using reconnaissance satellites which use camera film? Rolling Eyes

    As for how many satellites they deploy on each launch, if each payload requires a really different orbit it might be impossible or tricky to use the same upper stage for them.

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    Post  Arrow Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:04 am

    Russia, however, still has a shortage of reconnaissance satellites? Optical and radar SAR?
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:07 am

    Well, check the cataloging. Even if the purpose of the payloads is sometimes secret, how many there are of them and their orbital parameters isn't.

    Both Nov 2 and Nov 28 only has one catalogued object each (Kosmos-2563 and -2564 respectively, the latter being the 61st GLONASS-M satellite sent to GSO).

    Today's launch hasn't been properly catalogued yet, but the launch profile matches the Lotos series of SIGINT satellites, so that's a rather safe bet. Keep watching for what gets said of "Kosmos-2565" later today.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:12 am

    GLONASS constellation status at 01.12.2022
    https://glonass-iac.ru/en/sostavOG/

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    Post  Isos Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:26 am

    What couple of weeks do you think Russia is still using reconnaissance satellites which use camera film? Rolling Eyes

    They were launched even 2015. Yantar satelilites.

    No need to be a camera film. Could get modern equipement.

    I guess it can still be useful. It can fullfy interim missions that other sat can't by working on a different orbit. Lasting 45 days it is a small satellite that can be launched during launches of other satellites as a bonus.

    It is a good idea to boost your space assets quickly during a militaty operation like in Ukraine.

    I'm pretty sure with modern tech they can reach 3-6 months of operation.

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