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    Post  ludovicense Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:16 pm


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    The United States does not plan Mad: to transfer Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine.

    This statement was made by Pentagon spokesman Pat Ryder, commenting on media reports that such deliveries are planned.

    According to him, it is important to understand that such systems as Patriot, advanced fighters or M1 tanks require serious maintenance and special training of the military.


    .............
    I always thought this unlikely... as well as transfers of more advanced Western weapons... much more complex to operate and you have to have an apparatus helping your operation that is simply not feasible at the current stage of the conflict... sooner or later Ukraine will have to sit at the negotiating table... as it is inexorably doomed...

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    Post  ludovicense Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:19 pm




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    EU stated Ukraine has suffered 100k KIA and even that is them fudging numbers. Given that UKR had leaked memos in August stating they had lost 190k it stands to reason that after the fall (In which UKR lost 12k in Kherson alone in late October) the number is closer to 220-240k
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    A UE afirmou que a Ucrânia sofreu 100 mil KIA e mesmo assim são números falsificados. Dado que o UKR vazou memorandos em agosto afirmando que havia perdido 190k, é lógico que após a queda (no qual o UKR perdeu 12k apenas em Kherson no final de outubro) o número está mais próximo de 220-240k

    .....

    closer to reality...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Nov 30, 2022 2:37 pm

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    The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksii Reznikov said that 3 French MLRS LRU (M-270) arrived in Ukraine.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:12 pm

    According to the Ukro Gestapo spokesperson Andrey Yusov, they want to exchange detained orthodox priests for POWs.
    How nice of them that they don't hide the kidnappings anymore, agree?
    European values at it's best Laughing

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Nov 30, 2022 3:30 pm

    only 100k ukrops while zelensky says 700k in May? So this war is probably going to be over somewhere in 2027.
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    Post  flamming_python Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:10 pm

    Well there are tens of thousands of missing most likely
    Their fate is anyone's guess. Maybe dead, maybe they deserted.

    Another 10k or so Ukrainian POWs

    And probably about as many as killed - heavily injured and out of the fight for good. With some others potentially up for service again but with long recovery times.

    If we assume that 700,000 was accurate... knowing Zelensky there's no reason to assume it is, but let's assume anyway - then that means around 400,000-450,000 are still active - far from all of which would be front-line personnel BTW. By and large, these are hastily mobilized men from among the population, at a maximum those who got training in Britain, Sweden, etc... over the past year. Maybe some Nazis that Kiev still needs to enforce order and terrorize rather than fight Russia for the moment too.
    The bulk of the pre-war Ukrainian military and its experienced professionals have been destroyed however.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:34 pm

    17:16, November 30, 2022
    Lenta.ru

    The Russian Ministry of Defense announced the capture of Andreevka in the DPR
    The Ministry of Defense announced that the Russian Armed Forces took control of the village of Andreevka in the DPR


    The Armed Forces (AF) of Russia have taken full control of the urban-type settlement of Andreevka in the Donetsk People's Republic (DPR). This was stated by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the official Telegram channel.
    “As a result of the offensive actions of the Russian troops, the Andreevka settlement of the Donetsk People’s Republic has been completely liberated from the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the statement says. https://t.me/mod_russia/22238

    Earlier it was reported that the fighters of the private military company "Wagner" took control of Kurdyumovka. This was told by the war correspondent of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Evgeny Poddubny.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2022/11/30/andreyevka/

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:21 pm

    100,000 dead Ukrainians goes about right with what Scott Ritter reported foe Russian/allied dead 10-15000 (approximately 10,000 Russian and 5,000 Donbass militias). As Ritter said, the Russians will take that ratio all day every day. Lets say 3 times that much is wounded and you have 400,000 Ukrainian casualties and 40 to 50 thousand Russian and allied casualties.

    If Reports about Ukraine's complete breakdown in logistics including medical infrastructure and that Ukraine is not retrieving its dead or honoring them as war dead are accurate, then Z puppet's claim of 700,000 dead could easily be only half of the real number. Yeah, if medical logistics are gone, Ukraine could literally be bleeding out and so we could be talking maybe 1, 1.5 million dead and 3 times that many wounded, some permanently maimed.

    If these numbers are accurate its only a matter of time before that country collapses completely. Even if it somehow "wins" this war, that is to say forces Russia back to just Crimea, and its lines in Donbass at the time of Minsk its going to be an economic basket case that will burden the US and EU economies for decades. Its energy grid alone is going to take years to rebuild. What industry it had that escaped the rot of the 90s -2022 and isn't in Donbass or Crimea is gone now so there is nothing that it has that can contribute to the EU. Hell, if its combat and working age men are all shot to pieces along with its women there isn't even a cheap labor or sex trafficking victim pool for the EU to exploit.

    Frankly, Russia can just win this war by lobbing rockets and drones to destroy NATO weapons and Ukrainian infrastructure, and just digging in and occassionally turning towns into Verduns until the Ukes realize that all their sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, etc are missing, missing body parts or their psyches, or dead.

    The west for its part? Well the United States has admitted we lack chips for new wonderwaffles and we have vowed to defend Taiwan which is doubtful because the weapons selling scam is eating into our munitions stocks. If the US is admitting this, how bad is the situation in Europe. Also, what happens to the EU economies as having to pay 4 to 5 times and more for either reshipped Russian gas, which means Russia makes money, or US LNG means economic decrease and surging living costs? Again, the EU leadership has committed itself to support Ukraine "until victory." So in addition to the EU economy collapsing, & its peoples facing ever higher living costs, it will have to literally babysit a demographic disaster as it will have a Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Iraq all rolled into one on its doorstep. Now that is if Ukraine "wins" this war.
    At what point does the EU realize that its new garden space is a toxic dump full of weeds that will only kill the gardener.

    Long story short, Russia has already won this war demographically and economically if not militarily and the west is beaten even though they don't know it yet.

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:57 pm

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    Arestovich claims 10.000 dead.  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    He didn´t say which week.  Wink


    Ukrainian sources report that the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has been cut off almost along the entire front line. This happened thanks to the strikes of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on vital infrastructure.

    Nice comment from a dude on Twitter:
    If Ukraine has such manifestly superior equipment and logistics, why do they keep asking for more money and equipment? This seems to be Schrödinger’s Army: simultaneously running out of everything- troops, supplies, territory- and winning handily.

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    Post  ludovicense Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:02 pm


    AZ 🛰🌏🌍🌎
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    🇩🇪🇷🇺🇺🇦"I am convinced that Russia can no longer win a war on the battlefield"-German Chancellor Scholz



    And when I see an idiot like Scholtz make a statement like this, I'm sure how bad things are going for Ukraine...
    I don't know if it's my thing, but every time that guy opens his mouth I have the impression that he doesn't have perfect judgment... honestly: he gives the image of a mental retard... I only feel sorry for the Germans of well...

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:06 pm

    Western superiority syndrome, again...

    Forum members, I have a question for you...  Very Happy
    Do you think that Russia is capable of producing only 50 T-14 tanks per year because our French colleague did write a few minutes ago "be happy if they produce 50 T-14 per year".   jocolor

    Rafaleman Isos;
    T-54 or t-72A are just tanks, pieces of metal. T-14 or t-90M are complexe systems involving tens of different companies during design/R&D and as many during production each of them employing highly skilled engineers. Russia can't produce cheap stuff like soviet because new systems are piece of metal like mig-17 or t-54 and they need external ressources to be competitive against west and China, their best thermals were from France (catherine cameras) for exemple.
    Building thousands of them in 10 years is a joke. Be happy if they make 50 per year. And with the west and Taiwan banning electronics sells it will be even slower.
    And their companies apply same prices as the west for export clients to make profit because Russia isn't paying enough.


    AND WITH THE WEST....  Laughing everything was clear to me there.. Suspect
    It seems to me that even in the earlier decades, hundreds or even thousands of smaller and larger subcontractors (not tens as he writes) were needed during the production of one tank.
    Does this mean that in the future we can expect up to 50 tanks, 10 planes and helicopters (together), as well as one submarine within two years - not one per year  ?
    Does that make sense to you because it doesn't make sense to me.

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:23 pm

    Could you stop quoting me from other thread like a dickhead. Don't worry they saw your dumb fanboy statements. And stop fllowing me like a dog wherever I write something, go find you some friends. You're sticky as hell.

    GarryB should ban you.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:45 pm

    I will just remind you, that about a year before NATO run away from Afganistan, Stoltenshit was claiming something like that : Taliban Has been defeated, they shall recognize that, and just surrender 🤣🤣

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:10 pm

    Sholz opinion is less than worthless.

    The guy is single handely de insutrializing Germany and making go for broke. Now mix in with a ridiculous amount of weapons and ammo being sent from all over nato, nato intel involved and shit ton of mercenaries from all over NATO, vs Russia who has sent since beginning of conflict a very small portion of its military (1/10th of it) and facing against all that plus Europe's strongest army (Ukraine) I would say Scholz should kinda refrain from speaking.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:01 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:Forum members, I have a question for you... Very Happy
    Do you think that Russia is capable of producing only 50 T-14 tanks per year because our French colleague did write a few minutes ago "be happy if they produce 50 T-14 per year". jocolor

    I think this number is in the range of 150 to 250 combat vehicles on the Armata platform per year. Perhaps +30% to this level in case the plant goes to full load.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:13 pm

    Isos Today at 8:23 pm

    Dog ? Laughing
    I quoted you because you are a malicious idiot, are you satisfied ?
    If you piss on Russian weapons, I will "piss" on your messages - clear?!
    As for Garry blocking me, no problem, I just wasn't the **** calling for someone to be blocked. That would be his first and last time because I wrote that I could leave voluntarily, but if someone blocked me - that would be the end and I would know that and that I am not welcome.
    I think MR HD should be blocked, because it supports Ukroshitstan, but I didn't even ask for that.

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    Post  Isos Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:19 pm

    Yeah everyone is malicious because he thinks better than you and doesn't support your fanboisme.

    You are the malicious pathetic fanboy here. You bring out my message out of context in a different thread trying to make me look like a retard and attract other fanboys because you lack arguments like everytime.

    You deserve a permanent ban.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:25 pm

    To Scorpius...

    Bearing in mind that Uralvagonzavod delivered almost 300 tanks to the Russian army last year, and in peacetime conditions, the number you presented is what I think.
    The Russians did have a plan to deliver 2,300 vehicles from the "Armata" platform, and my opinion is that they can certainly do it in less than 10 years. The only question that remains is how many other vehicles will be built on the "Armata" platform, although I think that over three quarters will be tanks.

    To ISOS...

    You see evil coming out of you, you can't hide it even in messages.
    Son, France is the superpower only in perfumery - deal with it. So much from a fanboy..

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 pm

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    No infrastructure, no need for a minister

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    Post  Hole Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:31 pm

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    Another day, another train with military stuff
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    End-game?  Laughing

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    Post  Erk Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:17 pm

    Dr.Snufflebag wrote:

    Wow. Did I just hear von der Leyen say that 100,000 UA military personnel are estimated to have been killed?

    No, she actually said "More than 100,000 Ukrainian Military officers have been killed so far".

    I doubt Ukraine had 100,000 Military officers, so it was probably a blunder, or bad script writer.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:19 pm

    ludovicense wrote:Kremlin Sponsored Bot
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    EU stated Ukraine has suffered 100k KIA and even that is them fudging numbers. Given that UKR had leaked memos in August stating they had lost 190k it stands to reason that after the fall (In which UKR lost 12k in Kherson alone in late October) the number is closer to 220-240k....

    Good, hopefully it will go much higher

    Once this is over it is this number which will be preventing new wars from happening

    Any time there's a future correspondence with angsty folks in the west just add a post-it note with this number to any paperwork that gets sent and there will be no problems




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    Post  Regular Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:23 am

    He should stick with WW2 movies, the kid is too funny to watch…
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