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    Russian Electronics: Semiconductor and Processors #2

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 16, 2024 10:52 pm

    This is very interesting stuff with enormous potential, but integrating it into an aircraft that operates at a huge range of temperatures (-50 - +50 degrees C at sea level, and much colder temperatures and higher temperatures at altitude and speed... it is about -60 degrees C at 10km altitude, but flying at mach 2 means some parts of the aircraft will actually get quite hot...) not to mention issues with humidity and vibration and the effect of other things near it like EW jammers and radar and radio antenna equipment... it might take a while to integrate such systems into the Su-57.

    Of course now it is in production new radar antenna and communication antenna and of course internal networks shifting information from sensors to displays and to CPUs for processing and GPUs for display might make things possible that were not practical before.

    The idea of a Helicopter with a mast mounted AESA radar scanning 360 degrees for drones and vehicles and air targets transmitting to nearby vehicles and commanders on the ground giving them a real time view of their piece of the battlefield allowing them to pick out enemy positions for targeting with the battle management system looking at the position and type of target and then assessing local fire power based on their weapon type, their current ammo loading and their current status, and allocate the job to the most suitable team. You might send a drone to mark the target and have an old 2S3 rolling around the countryside being tasked with the job.... all the calculations are done and transmitted to the vehicle who loads up the appropriate ammo type... stops the vehicle turns the turret, aims the gun and then on a schedule fires the shell.... the drone over the target is notified the round is on the way and it will have a counter counting down the time to impact... 5 seconds before impact it lases the target and boom... job done... the drone monitors the effect of the attack and the 2S3 loads another shell and starts driving away. If a second attack is required that same vehicle can stop and fire a second round with all the calculations for the new firing position and any movement of the target and perhaps any correction needed because of local wind and atmospheric conditions and boom... off it goes... the drone counts down the time and marks the target again and boom, hopefully job done... meanwhile other targets are being engaged. Targets like individual enemy soldiers where there are just too many targets and attack drones to manage manually can use AI to engage targets in large volumes quickly... which is going to decimate a large enemy force quickly.


    High speed avionics that allows information to be shifted around platforms on the battlefield gives the advantage to the side with the most platforms as each will have data collection sensors and weapons and can populate the battle map with target data and provide nodes to engage those targets as they pop up.

    If enemy forces get destroyed every time they start moving they will stop moving or be destroyed. Either is good for you.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Nov 23, 2024 11:18 am

    Thoughts.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:24 pm

    Quantum computing as it is being hyped is a total scam. I hear claims of a general purpose QC but I have not seen a single one presented. All of the
    current examples are variants of analog computers where a specific problem is cast in hardware. They are not executing code written in a computer
    language and compiled into an executable. Claims about QC curing cancer are simply retarded. We do not have enough knowledge to put into any
    computer to "solve" the problem. Computers do not solve the universe, they are data manipulation and generation devices predicted on exogenous
    inputs. That is even true for QC where magical quantum effects are leveraged.

    Google's "programmable" processor is a BS claim. They have no language to program it with. And here we come to a show stopper. What
    sort of problems can be handled by QCs? If I wanted to take my geophysical fluid dynamics code that requires hundreds of processors to run at a
    reasonable resolution, I could not run it on a QC. It is not just a matter of recasting the algorithms. It is fundamental. The fluid parcels are following
    deterministic trajectories. There is no value from using methods such as Monte Carlo to predict their location at different times.

    In principle, Monte Carlo methods can be used to solve any problem having a probabilistic interpretation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method

    There are no general circulation models (used for air quality, climate, etc.) and engineering fluid dynamics models that use the Monte Carlo method. This is
    even true when there is a stochastic process involved such as the atmospheric boundary layer which is subject to turbulent mixing. I do not see QCs
    supplanting deterministic computers. They can complement them but that is it. The problem with the US is that everything is showboating hype. Musk
    makes all sorts of BS claims and these QC makers are spreading shit around like there is no tomorrow. But such BS apparently works to bring in the money.



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    Post  Kiko Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:22 am

    Russia Announces Computer That Works at the Speed ​​of Light, by Maxim Popov for VZGLYAD. 11.29.2024.

    Scientists to create prototype computing system for processing data at the speed of light.

    Russian scientists plan to create a prototype of a hybrid electron-photonic computing system in the next two years that will process data at a speed of more than 10 to the 19th power operations per second, said Alexander Sergeev, scientific director of the National Centre for Physics and Mathematics (NCPM).

    According to Sergeev, leading centres are participating in the project, including the Russian Federal Nuclear Centre – All-Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics and Samara State University, TASS reports .

    The scientist noted: “In fact, it will be a computer whose coprocessors perform calculations at the speed of light.”

    Such systems promise to be 100-1000 times faster than current solutions and will reach the exascale level by 2030. This will be possible due to the use of special photonic computing systems, which will provide significant acceleration and improved energy efficiency compared to traditional processors and graphics accelerators, he said.

    https://vz.ru/news/2024/11/29/1300563.html

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:46 am

    Let's hope that photonic computers are arriving. So far they have been endless talk. The mass media also does not properly report on
    developments in this region. "Processors" that use some photonic features are tagged as photonic, which is utter BS. We need real
    photonic transistor based processors. Restricting the photonics to IO still gives benefits, but is nowhere near what is being promised.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Nov 30, 2024 12:25 pm

    my source says 2027 on the supercomputers
    https://tass.com/science/1879543

    Russian scientists to develop computer working at ‘speed of light’ by 2027 — researcher
    "In the next two years, we plan to create a working prototype with processing speed of over 10 to the power of 19 operations per second, which significantly exceeds the current global level," Alexander Sergeyev said
    SIRIUS /Federal territory/, November 29. /TASS/. In the next two years, scientists from the National Center for Physics and Mathematics (NCPM) of Russia will develop a working prototype of the most powerful hybrid electronic-photonic computing system, which will process data "at the speed of light," NCPM lead researcher Alexander Sergeyev told TASS.

    According to the researcher, the cooperation of scientists working on this project includes the leaders in this area of knowledge: the Russian Federal Nuclear Center - Russian Research Institute of Experimental Physics and the Samara State University.

    "The computing system, which combines electronics and photonics, is intended for super-rapid processing of data using neural network methods based on the optical artificial neural networks. Effectively, it will be a computer, whose co-processors compute at the speed of light. In the next two years, we plan to create a working prototype with processing speed of over 10 to the power of 19 operations per second, which significantly exceeds the current global level," he said.

    Sergeyev also noted that, unlike modern computers with their universal processors and graphics processing units, developed by the leading international companies, specialized computing system can significantly speed up the solution of a number of tasks - by 100 to 1000 times - possibly reaching the exaop level by 2030, all while significantly increasing the energy efficiency.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 30, 2024 1:17 pm

    You need this shit to run stalker 2 on decent frame rates with no upscaling or fake frames.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:07 pm

    I am trying to visually imagine what it would be like having CPUs and GPU's operating 1000 times more FLOPS than the current high-end products along with 1000 Gbps wireless data on multiplayer games being exchanged with insane FPS rates. Time for some super large maps with games based off Day Z, Tarkov or Stalker. Hope Russia's video game programmers get the 1st dibs on photonic computers to develop the video games after the 1st one gets created.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:38 pm

    Video games are a big part of what has been pushing computer hardware development.

    I remember in the mid 1990s thinking Doom was amazing with its animated 2D sprites pretending to be 3D... even old games a few years later like the first Half Life blow it away and stuff and the bar kept getting raised... Operation Flashpoint was a favourite of mine, though there were so many errors with it that bothered me... Russian platoons didn't have SVDs as standard issue or RPG-7s and the only disposable rocket launcher was Czech or something. Otherwise I loved it... being able to get into any vehicles and operate them and the range of weapons in the game.

    With photonic computers they should be able to manage rather realistic graphics with open worlds where you could wander around entire countries or even planets and fly through galaxies...

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    Post  Kiko Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:54 am

    Photonic integrated circuits with 90 nm and 350 nm topologies have been manufactured at the Sedakov Scientific Research Institute of Information Systems, 12.11.2024.

    The Sedakov Scientific Research Institute of Information Systems has produced photonic integrated circuits with 90 and 350 nanometer topologies. They are needed to create optical quantum and neuromorphic processors, which are necessary to accelerate artificial intelligence systems and computing devices.

    As CNews has learned, photonic integrated circuits (PIC) have been developed and manufactured in Russia. One of them was created based on the 90-nanometer topological norms of Mikronom, while the other, with a 350-nanometer topology, was released by the Sedakov Research Institute of Measuring Systems. This follows from the presentation of the development of the National Center of Physics and Mathematics (NCPM), which CNews has become familiar with.

    At the same time, research is being conducted in the country to develop a photonic coprocessor based on the principles of integrated photonics.

    These developments are necessary for the creation of a hybrid electronic-photonic computing system (EPCS), which was presented by the NCFM.

    The system is expected to achieve performance of up to 1 zettaflops, or 1021 floating -point operations per second.

    The presentation notes that the Russian hybrid electronic-photonic computing system will be made using components available in Russia.

    Photonic integrated circuits are one of the key elements for creating optical quantum and neuromorphic processors, which are needed to accelerate artificial intelligence systems and computing devices.

    In 2024, the Functional Micro/Nanosystems Research and Education Center (FMN REC) developed a FIS technology based on silicon nitride waveguides, which uses technologies similar to the production of chips for the most modern processors. These technologies will form the foundation for the implementation of the integrated photonics development programme in Russia.

    Currently, the Zelenograd Nanotechnology Center (ZNTC) and the Technological Center research and production complex are engaged in the design of photonic integrated circuits.

    The computing system, which combines electronics and photonics, is designed for ultra-fast data processing using neural network methods based on optical artificial neural networks, Sergeev said.

    "In fact, it will be a computer whose coprocessors perform calculations at the speed of light. We plan to create a working prototype of a device with an information processing speed of more than 10 to the 19th power operations per second in the next two years, significantly exceeding the current world level," he said.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/165186/#cut

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    Post  PhSt Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:21 pm

    NAziTO Propaganda outfits are celebrating this piece of information but since this article is from NAziTO Finland based The Moscow Times it is obvious that the entire situation has been exaggerated to demonize Russia.



    Russia's Largest Chip Factory Bankruptcy Begins

    In Russia, one of the largest chip manufacturers, Angstrem (Zelenograd), has begun to go bankrupt. It has introduced a monitoring procedure, and the decision to declare the debtor bankrupt was made at the request of Zenit Bank on December 2, 2024. According to the case materials, in November 2019, the court collected 1 billion rubles from Angstrem in favor of Zenit, but the plant does not return the money.

    The plant was a landmark for Russia and was to become the largest player in the production of microchips. It was supervised by former communications minister Leonid Reiman, who was close to Vladimir Putin. He received $1 billion in government funding - in 2008, his company attracted a credit line from VEB in the amount of 815 million euros to create a production facility for processors, smart cards, and electronic passports. The project was supported by the government and the Security Council.

    Having accumulated more than 100 billion rubles in debt, Angstrem suddenly stopped paying its loans. In 2014, Angstrem no longer had the funds to operate, the tax service noted. According to its data, Angstrem has 108 enforcement proceedings worth 147.6 billion rubles. It also has unfinished legal proceedings worth more than 500 million euros. By January 2019, VEB had taken all the equipment and shares of the plant and also filed for bankruptcy.

    Reiman was removed from the project, but was not harmed. In the summer, his company, Rutek, received benefits from the state and began construction of a new plant in the special economic zone (SEZ) Sistema in Saransk, CNews reported. Investments in the project amount to several billion rubles. The company intends to carry out import substitution projects - to produce smartphones, computers, tablets, laptops and telephone stations. Import substitution does not always go smoothly for his companies - the "domestic" smartphone for officials, R-fon, turned out to be an exact copy of the Symphony Helio 80 device from Bangladesh, although it cost three times more.

    https://www.moscowtimes.ru/2024/12/06/v-rossii-nachalos-krupneishee-bankrotstvo-zavoda-chipov-a149900
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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Dec 22, 2024 9:46 pm

    That guy, Leonid Reiman, i mentioned him before on this theme, knows Putin from Peter days, when Putin was still in St Peterburg city administration.  
    Two times communications minister.
    Stole bunch of money in Angstrem T. All their projects were running terribly late and coming substantially over budget. He is known to overpromise and underdeliver. In few words, a piece of shit.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 22, 2024 10:42 pm

    Well the company may end up in liquidation but that doesn't mean the factory itself will be cut up and sold for scrap. Pretty sure that place will fetch a good amount of interest for a buy-out.

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    Post  caveat emptor Sun Dec 22, 2024 11:56 pm

    Reiman already bailed out, after he sucked it dry. Ruselectronics is the owner atm, i believe. Factory has work, it is just not known how will they figure out all debt that is on the books.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 23, 2024 12:07 am

    Will be sold to a bank most likely who will resell it back.

    Happened more than once
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    Post  Scorpius Wed Dec 25, 2024 6:18 pm

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    In 2025, the first batch (more than 10,000 units) of tensor processors based entirely on Russian design based on 28 nanometer technology will be released. Processor modules are designed to work as part of neural networks.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:39 am

    Scorpius, where did you find this news? This is absolutely fantastic news and means that Russia can also start creating GPU's that utilize Tensor Cores and thus make more competitive products in future. Maybe work with Chinese team to mass produce a better GPU with tensor core units.

    Quantum Processing:

    Presented the first 50-cubite quantum computer on cold atoms in the Russian Federation

    Specialists of Moscow State University. M. AT Lomonosov and the Russian Quantum Center presented the country's first prototype of a 50-cubite quantum computer on single cold atoms. This was reported by the press service of Moscow State University.

    In 2020, the Government of the Russian Federation approved a roadmap for the development of the high-tech field «Quantum computing ». One of its goals is — to create a quantum computer with a capacity of at least 50 dice by the end of 2024. In Russia, several scientific groups are implementing this task, developing prototypes on different technological platforms: neutral atoms, ions, superconductors and photons. The created computer is based on single neutral rubidium atoms, which are captured by optical tweezers (focused laser beams). The control experiment, which made it possible to test the prototype supercomputer, took place on December 19, and was specified at the university.

    «Scientists of Moscow State University. M. AT Lomonosov and the Russian Quantum Center within the framework of the „Quantum Computing “, which is coordinated by the state corporation „Rosatom “, the first prototype of a 50-cubite quantum calculator on single neutral rubidium atoms », — reported in Moscow State University.

    The prototype supercomputer is an optical table, most of which is occupied by the laser system used to cool and manage the conditions of atoms, as well as a system with ultra-high vacuum and optical access, said Stanislav Straupe, head of the quantum computing sector of the Center for Quantum Technologies of the Faculty of Physics of Moscow State University.

    «At the moment, at the Center for Quantum Technologies of Moscow State University, we can create quantum registers of 50 atoms located in an ordered array and carry out operations on single dice. < ... > Neutral atoms in optical tweezers — is a good system in terms of scaling prospects, we more or less understand how to get from systems of dozens of dice to hundreds and even thousands of dice », — explained the scientist whose words the university’s press service cites.

    Deposit for a 300-cube system

    You can connect to the supercomputer remotely using the cloud platform. The performance of the system during the control experiment was evaluated by representatives of Rosatom, the Physical Institute. P. N. Lebedeva RAS and a number of other organizations.

    «The results obtained under the roadmap were made possible thanks to many years of research conducted at the Center for Quantum Technologies of MSU named after M. AT Lomonosov. Over the past 10 years, a team of highly professional specialists — has formed here, mainly from among students, graduate students and graduates of the Faculty of Physics of Moscow University », — noted the scientific director of the Center for Quantum Technologies of Moscow State University, professor of the Faculty of Physics of the University Sergey Kulik, the words of which are given in the message.

    Moscow State University noted that the result can be considered as a «backlog for the development of this system to the level of 300 or more dice ». In the immediate plans of scientists — work to increase the accuracy of operations and launch useful algorithms.

    «The result obtained by the Center for Quantum Technologies of Moscow University, — is an important step towards achieving the technological sovereignty of our country. The focus of the quantum computing roadmap — the development of quantum computers ending this year. At a new stage, it is important to begin the practical application of quantum innovation. The nuclear industry has already launched a pilot program for quantum computing. We look forward to the synergy in this area of the efforts of Rosatom and the scientific teams of the country, including the Central Committee of Moscow State University named after M.V. Lomonosova », — said, in turn, the director of digitalization of state corporation «Rosatom » Ekaterina Solntseva, which is quoted by the university’s press service.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/165802/

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:49 am

    Another bit of very important information I glossed over:

    In «NIIIS them. Yu.E. Sedakova » photon integrated circuits for topology 90 nm and 350 nm made

    In «NIIIS them. YuE. Sedakova » produced photon integrated circuits according to the topology of 90 and 350 nanometers. They are needed to create optical quantum and neuromorphic processors necessary to accelerate artificial intelligence systems and computing devices.

    As CNews became aware, photon integrated circuits (FIS) were developed and manufactured in Russia. One of them was created on the basis of topological norms of 90 nanometers «Micronome », the other with topology of 350 nanometers was released by the Research Institute of Measuring Systems named after Yu.E. Sedakova. This follows from the presentation of the development of the National Center for Physics and Mathematics (NCFM), which was reviewed by CNews.

    At the same time, research is underway in the country to develop a photon coprocessor on the principles of integrated photonics.

    These developments are necessary to create a hybrid electronic photon computing system (FVM), which was introduced by the NCFM.

    The system is expected to achieve productivity of up to 1 zettaflops or 1021 floating point operations per second.

    The presentation notes that the Russian hybrid electronic photon computing system will be made on an element base available in Russia.

    Photon integrated circuits — is one of the key elements for creating optical quantum and neuromorphic processors that are needed to accelerate artificial intelligence systems and computing devices.

    In the scientific and educational center Functional Micro / Nanosystems (NSC FMN) in 2024, the FIS technology was developed based on waveguides from silicon nitride, which uses technologies similar to the production of chips of the most modern processors. These technologies will become the foundation for the implementation of the program for the development of integrated photonics in Russia.

    Now the Zelenograd Nanotechnology Center (ZNTC) and the scientific and production complex «Technology Center » are engaged in the design of photon integrated circuits.

    The computing system, combining electronics and photonics, is designed for ultra-fast data processing using neuro-network methods based on optical artificial neural networks, said Sergeyev.

    «In fact, it will be a computer whose coprocessors conduct calculations at the speed of light. In the next two years, we plan to create a working prototype of the device with an information processing speed of more than 10 to the 19th degree of operations per second, significantly exceeding the current world level », — he said.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/165186/

    What makes this important is that the high performance output is done on a much older node - 90nm. So if in theory they are able to produce such a photonic chip in 28nm, can you imagine the performance? I am unsure how the overall design and what structure it falls under, but if its a MIPS or RISC based processor (lets say RISC-V) but in the photonic design, the possibilities are endless and Russia can have a very competitive processor with using older node technology.

    And this is something that has been said before on here - that maybe Russia wont rush to compete in the field of traditional IC's but to look towards photonics rather than standard electron method in IC. And doing so, could very well shape a new generation of processing chips that Russia can be leader in. AND it seems now Intel started to look at making photonic chips. I guess they caught wind of this.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Dec 28, 2024 2:20 am


    The system is expected to achieve productivity of up to 1 zettaflops or 1021 floating point operations per second.

    To be clear 1 Zettaflop is not 1021 floating point operations per second... it is 10 to the power of 21 floating point operations per second...

    1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 floating point operations per second...

    Impressive rate of processing.

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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 28, 2024 11:04 am

    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Russia-is-developing-a-11-2-nm-EUV-lithography-system-to-rival-ASML-s-technology.935627.0.html

    It is not a full machine but elements that will be used to make one.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:29 pm

    Scorpius wrote:In 2025, the first batch (more than 10,000 units) of tensor processors based entirely on Russian design based on 28 nanometer technology will be released. Processor modules are designed to work as part of neural networks.

    Is this fabricated inside Russia or in Taiwan?

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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Dec 28, 2024 1:01 pm

    My guess would be China. Taiwan follows western sanction policies on Russia.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Dec 28, 2024 2:06 pm

    Current 65nm can do extreme low level of 28nm. But to be mass produced or produced in any noticeable numbers will be China.

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    Post  thegopnik Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:43 pm

    This is 1 of the reasons why I don't bother to be invested in China's 6th generation aircrafts because they will be using MMICs for it which will make it obsolete later. their air to air missile and engines is nowhere near Russia or the US either.

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