Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

Have you guys heard that Biden is deploying the 101st Airborne to Europe? Should this concern Russia?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-us-army-101st-airborne-nato-war-games-romania/

zorobabel wrote:Seems there is a large number of RU forces now west of the Dnieper. UKR forces are getting clapped every time they try to advance. Videos today show ~12 armoured losses.

The Ukrainian elite should get rid of the clown in charge and open negotiations with Moscow, against whatever directives from the outside.
However the only alternative to Zelensky is Zaluzhny - who is even more devoted to NATO.

andalusia wrote:Have you guys heard that Biden is deploying the 101st Airborne to Europe? Should this concern Russia?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-us-army-101st-airborne-nato-war-games-romania/

Which begs the question as to what percentage of 'soldiers' don't get a short arm inspection. No military unit in history has survived women coming in to the ranks. My Old Man served in that unit in the second war, beginning to end, and I'm sure he's spinning in his grave.

flamming_python wrote:Never heard about any Indian deal

Did you hear about the Indian deal to smuggle Svetlana Alliloejeva out of the S.S.R? You probably did like millions of gullible Russians when it was too late.

If I was Putin I would be arming Pakistan against India too. They are using some Russian weapons like Kornet, Mi-17 etc , they like Russian weapons and will also be able to afford it.

flamming_python wrote:but the Pakistan one doesn't much surprise me. The Pakistani Army Chief and his top brass are part of the same clique who deposed Khan.

Imran Khan was trying to be too smart by half. He was reaching out to Russia while at the same time he was making deals with the west. His kids continue to live in the U.K.

Pakistan will always remain under army control. They are interested in building a relationship with Russia. They are not anti Russia.

Arkanghelsk wrote:interception of HIMARS GMLRS

Taken down by Pantsir SM

Not just Pantsir. BUK bringing down several of these HIMARS and cruise missiles.

Haven't seen S-350 in action yet, or maybe I missed out. Anyway, now that Ukros are using ATACMS, the S-350 might soon see some action.

Tolstoy wrote:

Pakistan will always remain under army control. They are interested in building a relationship with Russia. They are not anti Russia.

I get that sense too, but hosting airbases for a logsitics operation to load the Ukraine up with weapons and ammo is pretty anti-Russia for a supposedly independent, neutral country - but in reality one whose elite has been bought out.

I wouldn't worry about India for that reason. They are just non-aligned. That's the core of their policy and neither China nor the West are in a position to pressure or overthrow anyone there.
The same India despite its border conflicts with China, did not vote in any Western resolutions against it at the UN.

They're not going to be supplying weapons, nor is China.

So Belorussia will not allow the Uki rear to be plugged shut against weapon shipments ? And everyone is making money by arms shipments , including India and Pakistan ? And American airborne arrived in Europe ? If all this is true , then the Uki side will not run short of weapons , and they may not run outof men , anytime soon . And Russia has to treat the disease symptoms rather than cause . It has to fight a more defensive war , than offensive war . A long war , instead of short war , against the Devil's minions , instead of the Devil .


Therefore if all this is true , then plans are needed to keep forces East of Dnieper . No need to go West in any great numbers , except occasional airborne raids  . Destroying all Bridges on the River , and even near Kherson too , will be viable . Any attack then responded to by air or missiles . Army only defensive in the East , and greater reserves kept for other NATO , incursions into Russia in Europe . Odessa's faith unknown . Shipping in Black Sea , disrupted longer term . However if Americans engage Russia directly in Europe , then they will lose . Because they do not want to die . They will be defeated quickly  and  they are the cause .

nomadski wrote: So Belorussia will not allow the Uki rear to be plugged shut against weapon shipments ? And everyone is making money by arms shipments , including India and Pakistan ? And American airborne arrived in Europe ?

Iran is helping Russia in this conflict which is good but how is Iran's relation with Pakistan and India? Is Pakistan an ally of Iran?

No Iran relations with India is better . India should not be isolated and ports in Iran exist to allow trade with Russia and central Asia . This as an alternative to Suez canal .
China putting too many eggs in Pakistan basket . The trade route to Arabian Sea by ports not entirely reliable , Chinese workers killed recently .  Pakistan too close to America . Then ruling class is composed of land owning classes , with extremist right-wing " Islamist " ideology . Supporters of Taliban , sectarian elements in Afghanistan , anti - socialist and anti- democrat , America likes very much .  Indian is different . China needs more routes through Afghanistan North , Russia needs routes in Iran to PG . Port lease possible , with local Russian " security" personnel .

Tolstoy wrote:
Iran is helping Russia in this conflict which is good but how is Iran's relation with Pakistan and India? Is Pakistan an ally of Iran?

Do you have proof that Iran is helping Russia in the conflict, from either a Russian or Iranian source not just western propaganda?

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:
So this last article confirms my suspicions that the russian military spent too much money on james bond villain weapons instead of practical equipment that wins wars and saves lives.  

Russia should've done what china did. Invest very little in strategic nuclear weaponry, only as much as to gaurantee MAD,  and go all in on precision guided munitions, drones, replaced all the 1960s trash cans like grad and gvozdika with tornado and koialitsiya. This saves russian soldiers rather than trying to be all scary to NATO  with muh superduper godzilla tsunami torpedo 9000.

If we're not in nuclear war yet between NATO and Russia, then the James Bond villain weapons are doing their job

Now as for the rest. Russia did invest in plenty of practical equipment that wins wars. Indeed including a replacement for both the Grad - the Tornado-G, and the Gvozdika in the face of the 2S34 Khosta modernization. Both of these add GLONASS support and modern fire control systems at the minimum. With the Tornado-G also offering up a newer truck chassis, and the Khosta packing a new gun and guided round capability.

It's a different matter that Russia clearly doesn't have enough of either in service in comparison with the earlier Soviet models still vastly outnumbering them in service, also the fact that these are fairly straightforward and inexpensive modernizations raises some questions.

But you can make a criticism of NATO too - in that they've invested too much money into fighting colonial-type campaigns like in Iraq or Afghanistan, with the sort of equipment and capabilities too match. But not enough focus on mass conventional conflicts.

Mostly Russia does use upgraded or new gear where it counts (tanks, air power, infantry equipment, etc..), and the Soviet-era stuff is typically sufficient in the roles where its still extensively employed in (artillery, ATGMs, etc..)

We can notice a deficiency in C4I compared to NATO - but that has been that way for a long time.
On the other hand Russia possess very strong EW capabilities but it is conservative about using them, over fears of revealing too much.
Small unit tactics and command, together with organic UAVs and recon means Russia seems to be behind in - but again that's old news.
On the other hand Russia has the Tos-1s and Shmels, which go a long way towards making a bad day for any commando group with satellite support that is encountered.

Point is you're always going to have strengths and weaknesses in any comparison.
Russia's artillery may be mostly old but there hasn't been any report of it breaking down under stress, as we've heard about the much heralded PzH 2000

Yars, kh-101,bulava and topol prevent nuclear war,
Not janes bond villain tsunami torpedoes.

Russian C4ISR was proven as a weakeness back in 2008. Do you agree that it hadnt been improved very insufficiently by  feb. 24 2022?
They didn't make even an effort to replace the grad, uragan or smerch. If there were a few hundred tornadoes(just like how Russia was repmacing cold war tanjs with the T-90) built, then yes, but there were less than 30 tornado Gs and less than 15 tornado S built since 2010.  The Potbelly dinosaurs clearly thought unupgraded 1960s models were completely sufficient at being the majority of the Russian artillery arm. There has got to be something seriously wrong with the russian army, the supposed premier artillery forve of the planet to have far less modern guided MLRS than china, which sees its army as a third priority.

Most users here before the war were completely sure that mass observation drone availability was actually a strengtg of the Russians. People here were sayong that the Russians had trickloads of orlan drones. Well, the war proved it was BS because everyone on the front complained about severe orlan shortages(4-6 orlans per brigade) , souch so that they had to use commercial quadcopter drones for artillery spotting 90% of the time.

The resumption of ammonia exports was part of the extension of the "grain deal". By the way, the American company Occidental Petroleum has already paid for the next supply of ammonia.

If it is part of the grain deal and an American company has already paid for the ammonium then turn off the pipes and empty them... fill them with water, so attacking them does nothing at all.

Liberating the DPR, I mean russian oblast of donetsk and moving the frontline away from donetsk out of range of child murdering bombardments is the objective. Ukrainians are still murdering children by shooting from avdeevka, Toretsk, novgorodskoe, kransogorovka and marinka without a worry in their minds for 8 months now because theres been almost no progress in the DPR.

It doesn't matter what areas they take, the locals will become the next innocent new Russians being shelled by evil nazis, but the orc lines get shorter and easier to supply, and Russian lines get longer and easier to ambush and more Russian and friendly troops are used to hold territory instead of killing orcs.

So this last article confirms my suspicions that the russian military spent too much money on james bond villain weapons instead of practical equipment that wins wars and saves lives.

Russia should've done what china did. Invest very little in strategic nuclear weaponry, only as much as to gaurantee MAD, and go all in on precision guided munitions, drones, replaced all the 1960s trash cans like grad and gvozdika with tornado and koialitsiya. This saves russian soldiers rather than trying to be all scary to NATO with muh superduper godzilla tsunami torpedo 9000.

They could have invested in all sorts of shit and this conflict might have shown it was all useless... you need the conflict to focus on what you need and what you don't need so much.

Having a tantrum about it and complaining that it all should have been obvious from the start is just being a whiny

GarryB had recently mentioned in one of the threads how those Indian bustards have entered into a deal with Nancy Pelosi to arm Ukraine via Armenia.

Did I? I did mention Pelosi in Armenia making promises but didn't know anything about Indian weapons... I would believe an American front company might have ordered lots of ordinance pretending it was going to Armenia because Armenia uses the Soviet weapons that Ukraine has run out of, but I don't know anything about that.

Did you hear about the Indian deal to smuggle Svetlana Alliloejeva out of the S.S.R? You probably did like millions of gullible Russians when it was too late.

Who cares.... if she wanted to live in the US let her go... makes no difference... she didn't invent cold fusion or a cure for cancer.

Pakistan will always remain under army control. They are interested in building a relationship with Russia. They are not anti Russia.

There will be plenty who are rabidly anti Russian...

Yars, kh-101,bulava and topol prevent nuclear war,
Not janes bond villain tsunami torpedoes.

Don't be silly... US ABM systems in Europe and Asia and the US plus every AEGIS ship they have with Standard SM-6 missiles on board means Yars and Bulava and Topol are useless and that leave Kh-102 (the nuclear armed model) that will be shot down like flies by F-22s and F-35s in US airspace because western air defence is amazing.

It is only the more exotic weapons that are a threat these days... and Zircon is a threat to their entire navy and can be carried by every corvette and frigate they have as well as their upgraded ships and subs.

Thunderbird is even scarier because most cruise missiles cruise on their way to their target at low thrust settings... about 600km/h and medium altitude... because more than 1,000km away from your target the enemy air defences wont even be looking, but when it gets close it will throttle up and drop down to very low level and change direction and follow lines of hills or down river valleys to be tricky... Thunderbird can fly low and fast all the way and be a pain in the arse all the way to spot and to deal with.

Russian C4ISR was proven as a weakeness back in 2008. Do you agree that it hadnt been improved very insufficiently by feb. 24 2022?

It has been transformed and is as different as night is to day... in 2008 no soldier had matching jacket and pants in terms of camouflage colour, and there was no satellite navigation except civilian GPS, and no communication except private cell phone communication... the sniper rifles were old model SVDs with x 4 mag scopes and the equipment was Cold war level stuff.... and they had no drones.

nomadski wrote:No Iran relations with India is better . India should not be isolated and ports in Iran exist to allow trade with Russia and central Asia . This as an alternative to Suez canal .
China putting too many eggs in Pakistan basket . The trade route to Arabian Sea by ports not entirely reliable , Chinese workers killed recently .  Pakistan too close to America . Then ruling class is composed of land owning classes , with extremist right-wing " Islamist " ideology . Supporters of Taliban , sectarian elements in Afghanistan , anti - socialist and anti- democrat , America likes very much .  Indian is different . China needs more routes through Afghanistan North , Russia needs routes in Iran to PG . Port lease possible , with local Russian " security" personnel .

But unlike China, India is anything but affluent. Cannot offer anything worthwhile to Iran unlike Russia and China.

At least Pakistan is an Islamic state much like Iran and millions of Shias live in Pakistan. So Iran has common ground with Pakistan.

JohninMK wrote:Got any proof of that?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/20/in-ukraine-american-himars-missile-launchers-disrupt-russian-military-logistics_5990833_4.html

On October 13, kamikaze drones also flew near Kiev on some infrastructure facilities. Interestingly, judging by the photos of the remains of one of the drones and its engine, here the blow was inflicted not by the usual Shahed-136 aka "Geranium-2" with MD-550 piston engines, but apparently by their younger brother Shahed-131, which, judging by the wreckage, received the name "Geranium-1"from us. Shahed-131-drones from the same Iranian family as Shahed-136, but Shahed-131 has a shorter range of up to 900 km and a smaller warhead of 15 kg and is equipped with a rotary-piston engine (Wankel engine) Shahed-783, which were created in Iran on the basis of copying the Chinese MDR-208 (the latter, in turn, are a copy of the British AR731). The remains of such an engine are also clearly visible in the photo from near Kiev. https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1090085.html

Источник: https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.1b14c91d-6353a842-f3124a00-74722d776562/bastion-karpenko.ru ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko

So according to this these Iranian drones are Russian production copies of Iranian drones using Chinese copies of British Drone engines... not german?

Tolstoy wrote:
But unlike China, India is anything but affluent. Cannot offer anything worthwhile to Iran unlike Russia and China.

At least Pakistan is an Islamic state much like Iran and millions of Shias live in Pakistan. So Iran has common ground with Pakistan.

JohninMK wrote:Got any proof of that?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/20/in-ukraine-american-himars-missile-launchers-disrupt-russian-military-logistics_5990833_4.html

India has the 3rd. highest GDP in the world. You better go look up what affluent actually means.

If you read the article you linked from July, it said "getting" meaning they had not received any ATACMS at the time of the fake news article publication.

Then read this article how Ukraine didn't get ATACMS as you claimed. In fact the US had officially opposed sending the ATACMS to Ukraine.
https://eurasiantimes.com/us-is-retiring-atacms-that-ukraine-is-begging-from-pentagon/

JohninMK wrote:Sorry but a Ukrainian " Mr. Skibitsky stressed that his army will soon have American MGM-140 ATACMS" months ago does not overrule the Pentagon continuing statements that they are not supplying that big missile.

Has the Pentagon accepted that U.S military operatives are working along with Ukraine?

Erk wrote:India has the 3rd. highest GDP in the world. You better go look up what affluent actually means.

They don't. Highest GDP in your own legal tender doesn't help unless it is hard currency like US dollar, Euro, Yen or Pound.

India's per capita income is one-fifth of that of Russia's.

You better go look up what affluent actually means.