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    Post  Kiko 11/10/22, 01:49 am

    SBU puts Bortnikov, Kolokoltsev, Matvienko, Naryshkin, Shoigu and Patrushev on the wanted list. 10.10.2022.

    https://rg.ru/2022/10/10/sbu-obiavila-v-rozysk-bortnikova-kolokolceva-matvienko-naryshkina-shojgu-i-patrusheva.html
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    Post  JohninMK 11/10/22, 01:54 am

    For those plotting what is getting knocked out, sorry about the crap quality, I couldn't get it better from the original source.


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    Post  Stealthflanker 11/10/22, 02:23 am

    This attack might also be a good time for advancing. It would not be a good time there after Blackout suddenly T-90's are pouring in from the border.

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    Post  VARGR198 11/10/22, 02:26 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:This attack might also be a good time for advancing.  It would not be a good time there after Blackout suddenly T-90's are pouring in from the border.

    Not yet. This is the muddy season now for the next few weeks. Once it gets colder and winter sets in the ground will harden and it'll be time to advance. Gives more time to grind down the Banderstan military further.

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    Post  Werewolf 11/10/22, 02:50 am

    Russia should launch 68 calibres tomorrow and announce it everywhere until Elon Musk requests one more missile to troll the Ukrops further. At this point it's worth the twatter rage.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug 11/10/22, 03:04 am

    Isos wrote:
    Backman wrote:Some more info on bridge attack. I maintain it was CIA++. Not sbu


    It was a total fail. The vridge was barely damaged. That attack isn't hard to be made since it wasn't controled heavily and its a kms long civilian target.

    IMO it's some ukro who did it but rest isn't even aware. Like the killing of that women. They seem to work in groups seperatly and no one is coordinating them  a bit like their soldiers on the fronnt. Kiec has no idea what's going on.

    Bridge was severely damaged, but European ISIS only managed to put it out of action for half a day. Russia got it up and running only a few hours later, in limited mode. Sturdy things, these bridges.

    However, for full capacity, the repairs are estimated to take about 4-5 weeks. They need to lift in place a lot of heavy things, and I read in Crimean news that they needed to repair/reinforce one of the supports.

    ..It was a hefty as hell blast that European ISIS used, unbeknownst to the driver even. So it's not only general terror and murder, even the "suicide bomber" himself didn't know what he carried behind. Murder, murder, murder.

    But that's what the west supports. Terror.

    edit: I guess it's a victory for Russia in a sense though, because for years Ukrainian media denied that the bridge even existed. UA propaganda kept telling their sheep that it was all Muscovian Photoshopskiy, simply no way that the untermenschen could build something (sure, we didn't manage to build any proper bridges under 30 years of independence, Putin seems like a Roman Pontifex by comparison, but nevermind that). You think this sounds crazy? Oh, you haven't heard of Ukrainians digging out the Black Sea, building the Egyptian Pyramids etc. And genocidal morons like Bandera, Shukhevych, Petliura etc are literally God(s), and probably had predecessors that flew to the moon in 1000 BC.

    ...In light of that, it's a victory that they at least acknowledged that the bridge exists.


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    Post  Fred333 11/10/22, 03:28 am

    Meanwhile, the western public at large is being groomed for a false flag event, possibly trying to come across as a Russian tactical nuke attack to justify full on NATO military intervention. Russia is being portrayed as losing and desperate and running out of men and equipment, a pathetic projection, but believed by many here unfortunately. A nuclear attack by Russia would fit this narrative very well:

    https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1579593225241001984

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    Post  Backman 11/10/22, 03:33 am

    Fred333 wrote:Meanwhile, the western public at large is being groomed for a false flag event, possibly trying to come across as a Russian tactical nuke attack to justify full on NATO military intervention. Russia is being portrayed as losing and desperate and running out of men and equipment, a pathetic projection, but believed by many here unfortunately. A nuclear attack by Russia would fit this narrative very well:

    https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1579593225241001984

    Yeah. Moldova said that some missiles went into its airspace. And yet they didn't close this airspace down or anything. The flight radar maps show all traffic avoiding Ukraine. But there are some planes hugging the western Ukr border with Poland.


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    Post  thegopnik 11/10/22, 03:34 am

    only ukrainian i worry about in ukraine.

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    Post  PhSt 11/10/22, 03:41 am

    Fred333 wrote:Meanwhile, the western public at large is being groomed for a false flag event, possibly trying to come across as a Russian tactical nuke attack to justify full on NATO military intervention. Russia is being portrayed as losing and desperate and running out of men and equipment, a pathetic projection, but believed by many here unfortunately. A nuclear attack by Russia would fit this narrative very well:

    https://twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1579593225241001984

    Good. A full NATzO military intervention means Russia will have the right to take back its territories currently under illegal occupation by Baltic and Finnish Nazis. Also, the rest of NATzO will be subjected to a nuclear firestorm. This is a Win-Win situation for Russia and the rest of the world. russia

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    Post  Fred333 11/10/22, 04:01 am

    Ehm, not good. It will mean we will all die. Goodbye humanity. It would have been better if Russia continued playing the long game, time is on its side. Today's cruise missile barrages, although understandable, will galvanize Ukraine common people's resolve against Russia and perhaps engender a true insurgency against Russian forces once they will inevitably take the rest of the country. It would have been better to just bomb the SBU HQ and Zelensky's office, but nothing else.

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    Post  ucmvulcan 11/10/22, 04:17 am

    Fred333 wrote:Ehm, not good. It will mean we will all die. Goodbye humanity. It would have been better if Russia continued playing the long game, time is on its side. Today's cruise missile barrages, although understandable, will galvanize Ukraine common people's resolve against Russia and perhaps engender a true insurgency against Russian forces once they will inevitably take the rest of the country. It would have been better to just bomb the SBU HQ and Zelensky's office, but nothing else.

    Except I don't think Ukraine is going to be able to do the insurgency shit. While I do see the rest of Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaprhoziye liberate and possibly Odessa and Nikolayevsk and maybe even Kharkov, any other incursion into Ukrainian territory will be temporary and will be solely to draw Ukrainian troops into battle until there is no more Ukrainian army. Putin himself has said as much. I think the whole point of the war is to turn Ukraine into one large Verdun. Take territory, man it with a small contingent of forces, dare the Ukes to take it back and bomb and hell the crap out of the Ukes when they advance.

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    Post  LMFS 11/10/22, 04:48 am

    Ishchenko, from yesterday, demonstrating how real professionals think:

    Crimean Bridge: Will Russia respond to the Ukrainian terror? And most importantly, how?

    While congratulating Putin on his birthday, Ramzan Kadyrov called him, along with his father, Akhmad-Haji Kadyrov, the savior of the Chechen people. And this is not an exaggeration. The Federal army had never been particularly ceremonious before, and after the bombings of residential buildings in Moscow and Buinaksk, it was ready to wipe out the whole of Chechnya, which would have happened if Putin and Kadyrov hadn't started the peace process. At least modern Grozny is beautiful not only because a lot of money was allocated for its restoration, but also due to the almost complete disappearance of the old Grozny.
    Ukraine congratulated Putin on his birthday with the explosion on the Crimean Bridge. Of course, the Crimean Bridge is a transport artery that also feeds front-line units. But the strike was not carried out in the course of hostilities, not by people in uniform attacking the object from the sea or from the air, but by persons masquerading as civilians.
    In accordance with traditional views, a spy differs from a scout not in that he is their spy, but our scout, but in that a scout performs his duties in the form of his own army (like front-line intelligence, partisans of the Medvedev, Kovpak, Fedorov and many other detachments led by the Central Headquarters of the partisan movement), while a spy is disguised in civilian or in someone else's uniform (disguised). Therefore, scouts were considered prisoners of war like the rest, and spies were hanged, periodically hanged now, although now the age is more humane and they prefer to rot in prison for decades, waiting for the moment when they get their spy and it will be possible to arrange an exchange.
    The activity of people disguised as civilians and committing sabotage behind enemy lines (even if you are waging a war with them) qualifies as terrorism, and they themselves are terrorists. Thus, the explosion on the Crimean Bridge is an act of terror.

    The good news is that the builders ' claims about the high design strength of the bridge were confirmed: the explosion of several tons of explosives collapsed only two spans. Railway and automobile communication with Crimea was restored on the same day.
    The rest of the news is bad. The worst part is probably that if you can arrange an explosion at such a carefully guarded object as the Crimean Bridge, the sabotage against which has been announced many times, then you can arrange an explosion anywhere. What prevents, for example, from blowing up the same truck on the Moscow Ring Road, where there will be much more victims during rush hour? And if you blow up ten of them at the same time in different places, the psychological effect will be not ten, but a hundred times greater, and it will spread to the whole country.
    In general, if war can come to the Crimean Bridge, then it can come to every house.
    But intimidating the population was clearly not a priority for those who planned this terrorist attack. Otherwise, they would have chosen a different place (for example, a market where everyone can find themselves in their own city and where there would be much more victims, which means that the public's impression of the event would be much more powerful).
    The Crimean Bridge is a symbol of the Russian spring of 2014, a symbol of a bloodless victory, the beginning of the reunification of Russian lands, and Russia's return to the rank of a superpower in international politics. His attack is a challenge to the Russian state and society. The fact that it was made on the day of the 70th anniversary of the President of Russia should have increased the effect.

    The United States said that this was a Ukrainian amateur act. I don't think. The Ukrainians could have killed Daria Dugina on their own initiative. Neither she nor her father could stop the Americans, and the murder of a young girl always leads to the conviction of murderers mostly normal people, in whatever country they live. In the United States, this is well known, so they are trying to organize sacred victims of their Maidans from girls in white blouses.
    But the Crimean Bridge is too serious a strategic target for the Ukrainians to decide to attack it without US approval. In addition, Kiev has talked for so long about its intention to destroy it, without ever being condemned by the Americans for these plans, which can be considered approval received long ago and publicly.
    The fact that the Americans quite correctly calculated the reaction of Russian society is evidenced by the fact that in the public space of Russia there was an immediate demand not just to respond to Ukraine, but to respond with a nuclear strike. The United States has been promoting the topic of an imminent Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine for a couple of months. Most recently, Zelensky screwed them up by demanding a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. With the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge, they win back information losses — once again, the demands for a nuclear strike are heard from Russia.
    Now, if the Americans organize a nuclear provocation, the sequence of events will be presented by Washington as follows::
    - Ukraine, allegedly without the consent of the United States, arranges sabotage against the Crimean Bridge;
    — since the Crimean Bridge has a sacred meaning for Russia, the population is excited and demands nuclear revenge;
    - Putin, stung by the attack on his birthday, agrees;
    — and here you have a nuclear explosion over Kiev or Lviv.
    And no one will make any investigations or listen to any excuses. The Western press will declare Russia a nuclear terrorist, and its president "lost international legitimacy", launch a campaign against the "Russian barbarians" and begin to consolidate against Russia all those who can be intimidated. The country's overall international situation will worsen. How much worse it will get is a question. Traditional allies will most likely not turn away from Russia, but there may be questions about various Afro-Asian trifles. And in Latin America, some of the positions are likely to be lost.

    The current situation requires Moscow to respond to the attack on the bridge. The answer is hard, open, but non-nuclear. A variant of such an answer may be a massive raid on the Ukrainian capital of strategic aviation.
    There are enough government offices, barracks, bridges, factories, thermal power plants, and other military, government, and infrastructure facilities in the city to make the entire city a legitimate target. Strategic and long-range bombers are capable of striking without entering the range of the Ukrainian air defense system, and the number of missiles in their salvo is enough to overload the Kiev air defense system. The simultaneous take-off of hundreds of nuclear weapons carriers will impress not only Ukraine, but also the United States, making you think about the impermanence of all things.
    Hundreds of explosions around the city in the dark promise an unforgettable sight. The ruins of government and administrative buildings, industrial enterprises, military and infrastructure facilities scattered throughout the center of Kiev, bridges easily visible from the elevated right bank, will long remind the Ukrainian authorities of the fragility of the world in which they live. If you add airports and railway stations (both freight and passenger) to the bridges,the city will also be partially blocked by traffic.
    After all, near Kiev, in the Obukhov direction, there is a "Ukrainian Rublevka". Of course, civilians will also die in multimillion-dollar mansions, but it will be Ukrainian deputies and oligarchs, their family members and service personnel — all those who have long demanded the destruction of all Russians and promised to move the war to the streets of Moscow.
    Kiev is not alone. There are many cities in Ukraine that can serve a collective purpose. Targets to strike in these cities are not a tank company, they do not move or disguise themselves, and their coordinates are known and constant. Targets for admonishing strikes will last for a long time.
    We don't lose anything. Those who consider Russia a cruel aggressor no longer love us, already want to kill us and are already making every effort to do so. Those few who are still waiting for us have long said that it is better to let the cities be wiped out, but Russia will come, than to continue the horror without end.

    By demonstrating powerful non-nuclear strikes, Russia will show that it does not need to resort to weapons of mass destruction to bring the Ukrainian authorities to reason. This will weaken the effect of the American propaganda campaign, although the issue of a US nuclear provocation in Ukraine will still remain relevant.
    And finally, the citizens of Russia should see that the country is fighting for the sake of victory, and not for fun. The people have long been demanding an answer to Kiev's provocations. It is necessary to satisfy his wishes. After all, the love, trust and support of the people only seem eternal and endless. Sometimes they end. And it happens in one moment. One moment everything was unshakable, and then it became very shaky.
    In the end, why could Chechnya, where Russian citizens lived and still live, be leveled to the ground for a good purpose, while Ukraine, where citizens of a hostile state live, waging war against Russia and proud of being on the cusp of another Western campaign to the East, cannot be touched with a finger? It is impossible to raise a banner over the Reichstag without turning Berlin into ruins.

    https://ukraina.ru/20221009/1039533342.html

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    Post  flamming_python 11/10/22, 04:49 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:Ehm, not good. It will mean we will all die. Goodbye humanity. It would have been better if Russia continued playing the long game, time is on its side. Today's cruise missile barrages, although understandable, will galvanize Ukraine common people's resolve against Russia and perhaps engender a true insurgency against Russian forces once they will inevitably take the rest of the country. It would have been better to just bomb the SBU HQ and Zelensky's office, but nothing else.

    Except I don't think Ukraine is going to be able to do the insurgency shit.  While I do see the rest of Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaprhoziye liberate and possibly Odessa and Nikolayevsk and maybe even Kharkov, any other incursion into Ukrainian territory will be temporary and will be solely to draw Ukrainian troops into battle until there is no more Ukrainian army.  Putin himself has said as much.  I think the whole point of the war is to turn Ukraine into one large Verdun.  Take territory, man it with a small contingent of forces, dare the Ukes to take it back and bomb and hell the crap out of the Ukes when they advance.  

    That pretty much looks like the way things are going

    I kind of think Russia doesn't know what to do with the rest of the Ukraine itself.

    Because if no-one appears there that a deal can be made with, as Putin found Kadyrov Sr. back in the day - then what then? The Washington-appointed rulers will simply continue the war and squeeze out every last resource that's left on Ukrainian territory, and every last able body to attempt to inflict further casualties on Russia. And whatever doesn't come under Moscow's control will just be this radical-nationalist ruled khanate with which it will be impossible to agree on terms.

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    Post  Backman 11/10/22, 05:02 am

    ^ i thought they would keep taking territory as they headed west, and then do the federal republic of Ukraine idea. Annex the territory into the FRU. Make a govt for it. They could take it up to central Ukraine. See how it works.

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    Post  Erk 11/10/22, 05:15 am

    Backman wrote:^ i thought they would keep taking territory as they headed west, and then do the federal republic of Ukraine idea.  Annex the territory into the FRU. Make a govt for it. They could take it up to central Ukraine. See how it works.

    I see little point in taking territory that doesn't have a clear majority of ethnic Russians.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard 11/10/22, 05:32 am

    What would the United States gain by provoking a nuclear war? Russian submarines would quickly wipe out their cities and Europe. It is an assured annihilation.
    I think the US Jewish elite is looking for a war to reduce the world's population (especially the white population) and favor Israel. Then they will divide the world with the Chinese. Abortion and gender policies are not giving the expected results. Another explanation does not close.


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    Post  Erk 11/10/22, 05:36 am

    ArgentinaGuard wrote:What would the United States gain by provoking a nuclear war? Russian submarines would quickly wipe out their cities. It is an assured annihilation.
    I think the US Jewish elite is looking for a war to reduce the world's population (especially the white population) and favor Israel. Another explanation does not close.

    The WEF is the largest threat to humanity atm. Their religion is the rich and powerful elite.
    Yes, they are for eugenics. They are keen on reducing and purifying the human population, Hitler would be at home in their group.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard 11/10/22, 05:43 am

    Erk wrote:
    ArgentinaGuard wrote:What would the United States gain by provoking a nuclear war? Russian submarines would quickly wipe out their cities. It is an assured annihilation.
    I think the US Jewish elite is looking for a war to reduce the world's population (especially the white population) and favor Israel. Another explanation does not close.

    The WEF is the largest threat to humanity atm. Their religion is the rich and powerful elite.
    Yes, they are for eugenics. They are keen on reducing and purifying the human population, Hitler would be at home in their group.

    The foundations of Judaism are eugenics, did you know? "chosen people". WEF. It doesn't matter if the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are false, the interesting thing is that they are being followed to the letter.
    Fortunately, humanity has Holy Mother Russia to protect it from international Jewry and its minions.
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    Post  Regular 11/10/22, 05:53 am

    Erk wrote:

    I see little point in taking territory that doesn't have a clear majority of ethnic Russians.

    Not only that, but it would cost a fortune to restore and integrate that territory.

    I bet there are other plans for Ukraine and it won’t be nice for Ukrainians. 90s will look like a paradise.

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    Post  PhSt 11/10/22, 06:07 am

    Erk wrote:
    I see little point in taking territory that doesn't have a clear majority of ethnic Russians.

    Russia needs the territory to expand its frontier against NATzO forces in Eastern Europe. The population can be subjected to Russification, and those who still offer resistance can be converted to fertilizer.

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    Post  Erk 11/10/22, 06:23 am

    PhSt wrote:

    Russia needs the territory to expand its frontier against NATzO forces in Eastern Europe. The population can be subjected to Russification, and those who still offer resistance can be converted to fertilizer.
    I don't think so.

    The only reason I can see for Russia to take more territory off NATOkraine, is to make the domestic Russian population feel more confident, by that I mean to be able to force the enemy to retreat, which has good optics for the average Russian.

    Wherever the border ends up, NATO will be causing trouble from their side, up until it stops getting funding.

    As we have seen, NATO has seriously limited hardware resources, it's just the sales arm of the US MIC, the job of NATO is to get more members, and to direct their GDP to the US MIC.

    You need industry to produce military hardware, not dollars. The US just engineered the collapse of the EU industry, so don't count on them, and the US MIC blows it's trillions on extraordinarily overpriced R&D, rather than producing volumes of good reliable military products.






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    Post  PhSt 11/10/22, 06:35 am

    Erk wrote:
    I don't think so.
    Wherever the border is, NATO will be causing trouble on the other side, up until it suffers economic collapse from being funded mostly by the non-productive Rentier class. As we have seen, NATO has seriously limited hardware resources, given all the billions poured into it. You need industry to produce hardware, not dollars.

    The only reason I can see for Russia to take more territory off NATOkraine, is to make the domestic Russian population feel more confident, by that I mean to be able to force the enemy to retreat, which has good optics for the average Russian.


    NATzO can cause as much trouble, but its a double edge sword; Russia can escalate the situation by causing trouble to the NATzO side. Then it will be up to NATzO if they wish to proceed to nuclear annihilation. Once all of Ukraine has been liberated and incorporated to the new Russia, Article 5 of NATzO needs to be exposed as what it truly is, a big Fraud. Russia can then take its rightful territory from the Baltics and Finnish occupiers and then proceed to restore its borders from that of the Soviet and Russian empire.
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    Post  diabetus 11/10/22, 06:39 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Fred333 wrote:Ehm, not good. It will mean we will all die. Goodbye humanity. It would have been better if Russia continued playing the long game, time is on its side. Today's cruise missile barrages, although understandable, will galvanize Ukraine common people's resolve against Russia and perhaps engender a true insurgency against Russian forces once they will inevitably take the rest of the country. It would have been better to just bomb the SBU HQ and Zelensky's office, but nothing else.

    Except I don't think Ukraine is going to be able to do the insurgency shit.  While I do see the rest of Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaprhoziye liberate and possibly Odessa and Nikolayevsk and maybe even Kharkov, any other incursion into Ukrainian territory will be temporary and will be solely to draw Ukrainian troops into battle until there is no more Ukrainian army.  Putin himself has said as much.  I think the whole point of the war is to turn Ukraine into one large Verdun.  Take territory, man it with a small contingent of forces, dare the Ukes to take it back and bomb and hell the crap out of the Ukes when they advance.  

    That pretty much looks like the way things are going

    I kind of think Russia doesn't know what to do with the rest of the Ukraine itself.

    Because if no-one appears there that a deal can be made with, as Putin found Kadyrov Sr. back in the day - then what then? The Washington-appointed rulers will simply continue the war and squeeze out every last resource that's left on Ukrainian territory, and every last able body to attempt to inflict further casualties on Russia. And whatever doesn't come under Moscow's control will just be this radical-nationalist ruled khanate with which it will be impossible to agree on terms.

    The problem is that rump state Ukraine will always receive state of the art western weaponry and will never accept the status quo of lost territories. Russia might have to establish a DMZ like area along the entire border.

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