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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:38 am

    surprised it took them this long to make a terrorist move like this.

    We will see how the government will respond but they will need to strike back and hard with missile launches all over Ukraine.

    Then promptly repair the bridge and attempt to find ways to combat this in the future.

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    Post  crod Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:43 am

    Yes, a good decent spanking of infrastructure is a measured response.

    The problem with trying to counter it if it was a bridge bombing is that the attacker only has to get it right 1% of the time, whilst the defender has to do so 100% of the time. Not impossible though, a bit back you have trucks pass through xray scanners etc. Not foolproof of course but a decent mitigation method.
    If it was supports and I've no idea what it was, fulltime frogman patrols can be a decent counter.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:46 am

    crod wrote:Yes, a good decent spanking of infrastructure is a measured response.

    The problem with trying to counter it if it was a bridge bombing is that the attacker only has to get it right 1% of the time, whilst the defender has to do so 100% of the time. Not impossible though, a bit back you have tricks pass through xray scanners etc. Not foolproof of course.
    If it was supports and I've no idea what it was, fulltime frogman patrols can be a decent counter.

    It was a truck bomb.

    Best they can do is ban transport of fuel trucks and that is that. Sucks and as our fellow Crimean pointed out, will cause prices in petrol to go up in Crimea but yeah. I imagine rail link is still fine though. Maybe I am wrong and it will also be closed till the investigation is done.

    That said, you are right, cannot protect it 100%. Best that can be done is quick response in repairs and quick response against Ukraine.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:49 am

    The truck exploded at the fuel train depot, they synchronized it.
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    Post  crod Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:50 am

    Looking at some of the footage now on Tel it does indeed look like a truck bombing. Begs the question has the Ukraine turned to suicide bombings now?
    Or did they plant the explosives and have some bugger unknowingly drive it across and detonated remotely by a following car?


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:52 am

    https://t.me/intelslava/38587

    Here is the damage.

    I guess that section of the bridge will be offline for transport of anything until it is fixed.

    Gotta go back to ferry service and risk transport through Kherson region too.

    crod wrote:Looking at some of the footage now on Tel it does indeed look like a truck bombing. Begs the question has the Ukraine turned to suicide bombings now?
    Or did they plant the explosives and have some bugger unknowingly drive it across and detonated remotely by a following car?

    Probably a bugger who didn't know.  They got not qualms doing that to an innocent person.  But I am just guessing.

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    Post  TMA1 Sat Oct 08, 2022 8:57 am

    lolol our local Ukrainian shills called this an atacms strike. **** off doomers. Go to Ukraine and wave some rainbow flags. Surely if you are so angry you can go lick neocon boots over in Ukraine.

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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:00 am

    TMA1 wrote:lolol our local Ukrainian shills called this an atacms strike. **** off doomers. Go to Ukraine and wave some rainbow flags. Surely if you are so angry you can go lick neocon boots over in Ukraine.

    Well, judging by the damage, it definitely wouldn't be an atacms strike since the warhead isn't even remotely big enough to cause such damage.

    Plus there wouldn't be a need for a group to check up on this because AD systems are rather active around Crimea bridge and such missiles are so basic, they light up like a Christmas tree on radar.

    This is rather so basic of information it isn't even funny. Just gives indication that Ukrainian supporters are room temperature IQ groups. Plus there are enough videos from angles showing the explosion.

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    Post  crod Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:03 am

    Someone help me re timing. Earlier footage showed day light approaching evening, footage of bombing look like night time or is that CCTV trick of light? Though it looks like an elevated part of the bridge where the explosion occurs where the pics of damages are quite low lying? Not sure if it's Tel running amok with unrelated footage...not for the first time.
    Doesn't take away from the event of course and the fact that may have either used a suicide bomber or murdered some civilian in a very callous manner.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:05 am

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    Russia has so little deterrence that they (one of Zelensky's advisors) are literally telling you that yes, it was them who crossed your red lines.

    Incoming cope about how it's a plan to bait Putin into making emotion-based decisions. No, it's much simpler than that and can be explained by observing a simple kindergarten for 30 minutes. It's pure power play and Ukraine's brazen behaviour reflects a (perceived?) tipping point in the power dynamics.
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    Post  TMA1 Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:08 am

    Yes, a power play by a nation propped up by western hegemons, with an army of hundreds of thousands bordering it. Please no more gay posts.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:13 am

    TMA1 wrote:Yes, a power play by a nation propped up by western hegemons, with an army of hundreds of thousands bordering it. Please no more gay posts.


    According to his logic, Moscow is already occupied... If "power dynamics" are at stake, why don't they attack Russia from Sumy, Chernigov and Kharkov ?

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:14 am

    thegopnik wrote:I am trying very hard to relax these last few weeks, I am given a little hope with some maps that russia is slightly regaining shit. All we can do is hope for a better tommorow than today.

    So you're of the belief that Russia is being beaten back by the Ukraine for real and really is out of manpower, equipment and whatever else?

    Relax

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:20 am

    First, the U.S blew up Nord Stream pipeline and blamed Russia for this crime. Now the U.S is ratcheting up the nuclear attack threat.

    Quite possible that the U.S will nuke a major European city and shift the blame to Russia.



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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:21 am

    TMA1 wrote:Yes, a power play by a nation propped up by western hegemons, with an army of hundreds of thousands bordering it. Please no more gay posts.

    This is meaningless shadowboxing.

    Nobody is scared of Russia anymore, and the fake DGAF/damage control posts by dimwits like yours truly prove it.

    Tough guy talk follows tough guy action - it's rather easy to sniff out fakers babbling about red lines but never following up on the threats.

    What did I say about psychiatric wards the other day? Man it's a hard landing. Especially when you've structured your whole (online) identity around the imaginary greatness of some state halfway across the globe.

    Seems to me that you'll have to get your own hands dirty - or maybe the coming Midterms will provide solace..

    LOL.


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:21 am

    zorobabel wrote:
    Lapain wrote:Yep, it's bad...too bad the Kerch bridge wasn't built by Soviet standards.
    If it wasn't ATACMS, then perhaps a controlled remote explosion or driverless truck full of explosives.
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    Good Lord...

    They actually destroyed the Kerch Strait Bridge entirely.

    Don't you know? This was all according to plan.

    It's war, it happens

    They've been trying to destroy it for half a year, they finally succeeded

    And yes it looks like a missile strike and the type that the US publicly declared that it won't supply the Ukraine with just 2 days ago. Because no way a drone can do such damage. Nor a HIMARS as we've seen, even if one was in range.
    Their arrogance is such that they publicly and unconvincingly deny in public and do the opposite in practice, no matter how unbelievable. As with the sabotage of Nord Stream, now with the sabotage of the bridge.

    As this is a new weapon type, it will take a little time before it can be analysed and countered, as the TB2 and HIMARS were.

    Big_Gazza wrote:Those bridge sections were taken down precisely, not as a result of any general blast damage.  Planted explosives on key structural items.

    I smell the same kind of US/NATO influences as hit NS1 & NS2.

    The Empire really is panicking.

    Ball is now in Russias court.  Are they ready to move? I don't want them to act prematurely until the strike forces are ready to go, but this shit needs to be answered.  Taking down Kievs civilian infrastucture would be a proper response.

    If it was planted explosives then why is the train on fire on the other bridge?

    Looks like the missile hit one and clipped the other

    But I do agree the damage on the automobile bridge looks rather clean


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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:23 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27 - Page 38 Img_2031

    Russia has so little deterrence that they (one of Zelensky's advisors) are literally telling you that yes, it was them who crossed your red lines.

    Incoming cope about how it's a plan to bait Putin into making emotion-based decisions. No, it's much simpler than that and can be explained by observing a simple kindergarten for 30 minutes. It's pure power play and Ukraine's brazen behaviour reflects a (perceived?) tipping point in the power dynamics.

    Naturally. That is what terrorist do. They will always claim responsibility. With an act like this Ukraine will only hasten their demise. They will dissolve to nothing. Soon you won't find them on any map.

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    Post  sundoesntrise Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:28 am

    Mir wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27 - Page 38 Img_2031

    Russia has so little deterrence that they (one of Zelensky's advisors) are literally telling you that yes, it was them who crossed your red lines.

    Incoming cope about how it's a plan to bait Putin into making emotion-based decisions. No, it's much simpler than that and can be explained by observing a simple kindergarten for 30 minutes. It's pure power play and Ukraine's brazen behaviour reflects a (perceived?) tipping point in the power dynamics.

    Naturally. That is what terrorist do. They will always claim responsibility. With an act like this Ukraine will only hasten their demise. They will dissolve to nothing. Soon you won't find them on any map.

    This is what I want to hear from the Kremlin backed up by action.

    Seems to be that the hands of Kremlin occupants have gotten a little soft over the last 20 years. We will find out soon whether they have what it takes, I personally am very skeptical
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    Post  dionis Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:30 am

    What the hell are you all talking about?

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/12658

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/28745

    It was a truck explosion, and the detonation was timed to be near the fuel train (makes sense for max damage, right?).

    The shrapnel hit a fuel car, but thankfully it didn't look like it did much.

    Did you see the civilian car right by the truck? RIP.

    Edit:

    Another one:

    https://t.me/voenacher/30486


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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:30 am

    Flaming, your giving into stupidity.

    If it was a missile, there would be debris of it and proof. We got videos of a massive explosion from a truck.

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    Post  Mir Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:34 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:
    This is what I want to hear from the Kremlin backed up by action.

    Seems to be that the hands of Kremlin occupants have gotten a little soft over the last 20 years. We will find out soon whether they have what it takes, I personally am very skeptical

    Russia knows how to deal with terrorist. The weekend has only started. Some people in Kiev are not going to have a great weekend.

    The Bridge: Well the damage is done but it is still superficial and fortunately did not damage the arches. The collapsed span can be fixed fairly quickly. I just hope they can contain the fire on the railway line.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:35 am

    PhSt wrote:
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    Yep, and then they release false statements about 'fires' which becomes more ridiculous.

    Though the focus has to be now that Ukraine has ATACMS.


    Why not just declare the obvious, US supplied ATACMS used to target Crimea bridge. Perhaps this will enrage the Russian population and increase the support for TOTAL WAR against NATzO attack

    Exactly what they should do
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:36 am

    Mir wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:
    This is what I want to hear from the Kremlin backed up by action.

    Seems to be that the hands of Kremlin occupants have gotten a little soft over the last 20 years. We will find out soon whether they have what it takes, I personally am very skeptical

    Russia knows how to deal with terrorist. The weekend has only started. Some people in Kiev are not going to have a great weekend.

    The Bridge: Well the damage is done but it is still superficial and fortunately did not damage the arches. The collapsed span can be fixed fairly quickly. I just hope they can contain the fire on the railway line.

    Fire is already out.

    🇷🇺 fire on the Crimean bridge eliminated - emergency services

    https://t.me/intelslava/38592

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:37 am

    sepheronx wrote:Flaming, your giving into stupidity.

    If it was a missile, there would be debris of it and proof. We got videos of a massive explosion from a truck.

    Fuсk it

    Spread some missile debris around, hold them accountable anyway, and use it as a way to motivate the Russian population Twisted Evil

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Oct 08, 2022 9:37 am

    Well, now half of the forum members want nuclear war - luckily you don't have access to a suitcase with buttons.. Very Happy

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