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    Post  dionis Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:05 am

    Ukr MoD reported that Russians left Svatove in Luhansk? If so, this is really looking bad.

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    Post  nero Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:11 am

    Calm ye' trousers virgin followers of global conflicts.

    Here's one of the better Telegram accounts reporting on the conflict in English.

    You'll find the relevant information there. You might also want to scroll up, he says it how it is.

    On another note, reading these threads is like observing people with fucking alzheimers. It's sad in it's own right, though really surprising given the Syrian Civil War, Ukraine (2014-2015), Ukraine (2022 onwards). You'll either learn to have some self reflection in these matters or you'll be forever bitter.

    Take a look at what's happening today. Do you think the Russians only now realized where electrical stations in Ukraine are located?


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    Post  thegopnik Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:14 am

    Ghost of Zeepo
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    ⚡Reports of arrivals in Slavyansk and Konstantinovka
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    ⚡Reports of arrivals in Zaporozhye, Ukrainian controlled part

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    Post  nomadski Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:43 am


    I expected a counter - offensive from Ukraine . I mentioned that several lines of defence should exist . That troop density in Russian controlled sector , should be maintained . That any further offensives should happen by more troops being called up . I said this because , despite withdrawing troops from around Kiev , and concentrating them around LDPR , was only just giving an advantage , and enabling slow advances . Now by this Ukrainian counter - offensive , and planned or semi planned withdrawal by Russian troops , and the scale of area lost , it becomes clear that , even with a tactical withdrawal , the scale of the loss is too big . Much bigger than would have been necessary or expected for an entirely planned withdrawal . To trap 50'000 advancing troops , you do not need to retreat from this large an area . As long as the bulk of their forces are in the net , then you close the gap . I do not imagine that the bulk of their forces was 50 km deep !

    Air power or missiles alone , does not win a war . As the Americans found out in Iraq or Afghanistan " you need Boots on the ground " . And as we all know , an advancing force , needs a 3: 1 advantage . Recently , I think , Russia realised this need and ordered the expansion of Army by 15 % . I thought that , this meant more troops for Ukraine . But looks like the counter- offensive happened , before Russian fresh troops arrived . But it is not too late . The gap can be closed , a pincer to trap them . I think Russia can call up more troops and use more equipment in Ukraine , since even a conventional attack by NATO against Russia in Europe , can be answered by advancing through Ukraine . You kill two birds with one stone . If they attack by , say Finland , then counter against Poland and Germany , through Ukraine . For this reason also , it makes no sense , to keep the reserves in reserve , for a rainy day . Plus , in reality a conventional war in Europe , will not last long , before it turns nuclear . No sense in reliance on further conventional battles .


    Erk wrote " The battle is not about control, or occupation, it's about de-militarization and de-nazification of Ukraine. Maps don't tell us how that is going because the military of either side can move around.We assume it's about occupation, but that is our mistake of interpreting the stated objectives. " You can not make an Omelette , without cracking an Egg ! We can not send a polite letter and eradicate Nazis and disarm them . We need to control and occupy territory and need to liberate both communities from war . However this loss of territory need not be an epiphany for us becoming Buddhist monks and renouncing Earthly possessions , as recompense for lost pride and land . Russia has more bullets than Nazis have bodies to spare . Russia has more reserves than Europe has fuel for Winter . Russia is justified in liberating Russian speakers and territory from NATO backed Nazis .

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:49 am

    Ispan wrote:Brief summary today for lack of time and news, at least the retreat is stopped

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/09/11/parte-de-guerra-12-09-2022/

    War part 12/09/2022 - end of the withdrawal in Kharkov
    11 September, 2022 Zhukov

    Brief summary of the general situation on the Oskol front:



    The Russians have withdrawn from Izyum after a rearguard action and the troops and material have been saved. The withdrawal was inevitable and it is the right decision because the disparity of forces was enormous. There were very few forces in this inactive sector, about 5,000 fighters and the Ukrainians have engaged in the offensive a minimum of 30,000 bayonets and continue to bring forces, up to 50,000. That is, there can be no talk of either collapse or conquest because the Ukrainian offensive has struck in an unprotected area.

    A new front has formed on the Oskol, at both ends of the reservoir. In Kupyansk a few battalions defend the eastern part of the city, which is the industrial zone and conducive to defense, although there are infiltrations of patrols, to the south on a stretch that is fordable a new front is being formed between Kupyansk and the Pecheneg reservoir, from East to West. It seems that the Russians are waiting to evacuate all the civilians so that the camp will be empty. The Ukrainian offensive seems to be losing momentum due to the lengthening of the supply lines and the losses suffered.

    To the south Krasny Liman resists and with the arrival of Izyum troops the bridgehead in Stary Karavan will be able to be contained and eliminated. The front of the Donbass salient is not in danger.

    The Ukrainian offensive has conquered ground but has not achieved any military objectives. It has not encircled or destroyed Russian forces, which in the worst case have suffered no more casualties than those successfully defending the Kherson front (about 2,000), and a further advance to the north to reach Vovchansk and the Russian border or turn east and cross the Oskol River higher up from Kupyansk is no longer possible.



    Summary of Rybar:

    Situation in the Kharkov direction
    at 13.00 on September 11, 2022

    At the moment, Russian units continue to reconfigure the front in the Kharkov direction. The withdrawal of the Russian Armed Forces from the Udy — Kazachya Lopan — Bolshye Prokhody line has begun.

    The Russian Armed Forces maintain a limited presence, covering convoys with refugees departing for the territory of the Russian Federation. East of Seversky Donets, separate mobile groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have so far reached the Khotomlya-Bolshoy Burluk border. To the north, Russian units continue to evacuate civilians.

    Due to the lack of coordination between the Ukrainian units, the Ukrainian Armed Forces shelled Bolshoy Burluk, although only civilians remained in the village.

    The Russian Armed Forces continue to line up the front along the Oskol River, bringing reinforcements to the left bank. In the area of the village of Oskol, detachments of the 60 OMSB maintain a rear guard so that the road remains open, ensuring the exit of certain groups of refugees.

    In the area of the village of Senkovo, the army aviation of the Russian Armed Forces destroyed a pontoon crossing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



    The situation at night:

    The withdrawal has concluded. The Russians have withdrawn all their forces from the Kharkov region and are entrenching themselves on the border, forming a front at right angles to the Oskol line

    The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have practically withdrawn their troops from the territory of the Kharkiv region. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have confirmed their control over Volchansk, Veliky Burluk, Hoptovka and Liptsy.

    In the Seversky Donetsk, Liman resists.

    Russian units still retain control of Liman, and heavy fighting is taking place in the vicinity of the city with superior enemy forces. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to get to the settlement from the east via the induced ferry near Zakotny in order to create a springboard for further movement towards Kremennaya.

    On the central front the Ukrainians are preparing a new offensive in Ugledar

    Summary of Cassad:

    1. The enemy continued to occupy abandoned villages in the north of the Kharkov region.

    2. The Russian Armed Forces continue to equip new positions on the border of Ukraine and the Kharkov region.

    3. The Russian Armed Forces will continue to strengthen the front on the Oskol River.
    The defense of Krasny Liman, which is being attacked by the enemy, continues.

    5. The enemy continues to slowly occupy Izyum, but the capture of the city has not yet been officially announced, they will probably announce it tomorrow.

    6. Kupyansk is still divided into 2 parts: the Armed Forces of Ukraine - in the west, the Armed Forces of Russia - in the east.

    7. The enemy is accumulating forces in the Donetsk and Kherson directions, possible attempts to attack in the next 1-2 days.

    In Operation Balakleya, the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not use all available reserves.

    8. As a result of night shelling on power generation facilities, 2 thermal power plants were seriously damaged, which led to a crisis of power supply in several regions of Ukraine.
    With a systemic impact on the energy system, the Russian Federation is quite capable of achieving an energy collapse in Ukraine.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:43 am

    Hole wrote:
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    Burn, baby, burn.   Twisted Evil
    Good photos as they clearly show the achilles heel of any electrical transmission system - the step up/down transformers and the associated HV switching yards. You don't need to destroy the power stations themselves, just take out their ability to export any power they produce.

    These units are now u/s and won't be able to put back into production. There will be no putting out of fires, making "repairs", and reconnecting to the grid.  These units will need to be replaced with new - a long and expensive business.  Ukrops won't have the capability to buld new transformers, and the West might not have commercial units suitable for Ukraines transmission voltages (don't know off top of head what kV levels they use).  Russia needs to follow up with hits on the HV switching yards as well.

    Even if they have spare Tx units and can instal them, Russia can simply rinse and repeat.  Easy and cheap for Russia to disable, long complex and expensive for Ukropisstain to try (and fail) to recover.

    Lets see how the Ukrops deal with General Winter without electricity and oil/gas/coal.  Twisted Evil

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:46 am

    what happened to Rybar what are the updates now? https://mobile.twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1569105350317555713
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    Post  Belisarius Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:47 am

    Kharkov battle SITREP by Evgenii Poddubnyi (subtitled)
    https://thesaker.is/kharkov-battle-sitrep-by-evgenii-poddubnyi-subtitled/

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 1:52 am

    thegopnik wrote:diesel generators last for a bit.

    Diesel is too expensive for anything but short-term power for large areas, or for back-up power for specific critical facilites. Ukropi military will have diesel sets, and will most likely commandeer any portable diesel generation from private or commercial enterprises in order to support their key facilities and field units.

    A general blackout helps Russia locate the critical Ukropi state facilities that they have tried to protect through dispersal - just looks for the few lights and signals activity that remain in a blacked out city or region. Twisted Evil

    What is "turn that fuking light off!!!" in Ukrainain? It will soon become the most spoken phrase in Caveman Land. Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:07 am

    ALAMO wrote:By the way, in a case, you have missed that. It is a material RAK published today.

    https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/2809

    It is one of his most powerful entrances.

    First, he asks why the Chechen people are so devoted to the whole Russkie family.
    Because of freedom and respect, they get back.
    A chance to build mosques, cheer the god they admire, and do that while being a part of a vast family of free nations that stand side by side for each other.
    Nobody who watched and participated in the Chechen conflict as I had, would imagine that change.

    You should live for values you can die for.

    BINGO!!

    That is why Russia will WIN and the Banderites will be CRUSHED. If Russia can win over the Chechens and help them make the transition from a Wahhabbi-infested islamist shthole into a modern, tremendously loyal and integral part of newly restored Russia, what can they do with Ukraine by helping the Easteners to throw off the shackles of Banderite repression and wholescale murder?

    Fools think that Russia won't be able to exert its will upon post-liberation Ukraine but they are getting it wrong. Russia doesn't have to. The East Ukraianians will do it, and will do it gladly. Any attempts by Banderites to launch "insurgency" in the East will be a total failure as the populace will be irrevocably hostile to them. West Ukraine will be hammered into the ground, de-energised, and de-industrialsed while Easterners take revenge and suppress any organised resistance.

    Impose crushing war reparations upon the Banderite West. Use the cash (and their labour) to rebuild the East, and use the boot to silence any dissent. Treaty of Versailes II on steroids, but without the formality of a signed scrap of paper. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:26 am

    Now that Ukro-orc cities have gone black (and internet is down), lets see if this cuts down the traffic from both the pro-Ukro bots and ostensibly"Russian" doomer-gloomer idiots on social media.  I'd be willing to make a wager that much of the FUD merchants will have gone strangely quiet?  Razz

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    Post  VARGR198 Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:38 am

    lol!

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Sep 12, 2022 2:54 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:Now that Ukro-orc cities have gone black (and internet is down), lets see if this cuts down the traffic from both the pro-Ukro bots and ostensibly"Russian" doomer-gloomer idiots on social media.  I'd be willing to make a wager that much of the FUD merchants will have gone strangely quiet?  Razz

    I think the Hee Haw Bunch, for those in countries with youtube look up the Gloom Despair and Agony on me sketch, will be quited more if Russia's current air and rocket strikes are a prelude to an offensive and/or if the Wehrmacht is decimated in coming days. The Neues Wochenschau is a Hollyweird production and will probably go on long after the war itself ends

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    Post  Erk Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:18 am

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    Hole wrote:

    Good photos as they clearly show the achilles heel of any electrical transmission system - the step up/down transformers and the associated HV switching yards. You don't need to destroy the power stations themselves, just take out their ability to export any power they produce.

    These units are now u/s and won't be able to put back into production. There will be no putting out of fires, making "repairs", and reconnecting to the grid.  These units will need to be replaced with new - a long and expensive business.  Ukrops won't have the capability to buld new transformers, and the West might not have commercial units suitable for Ukraines transmission voltages (don't know off top of head what kV levels they use).  Russia needs to follow up with hits on the HV switching yards as well.

    Even if they have spare Tx units and can instal them, Russia can simply rinse and repeat.  Easy and cheap for Russia to disable, long complex and expensive for Ukropisstain to try (and fail) to recover.

    Lets see how the Ukrops deal with General Winter without electricity and oil/gas/coal.  Twisted Evil

    I am sure the making the citizens of Ukraine suffer, is not part of Putin's game plan.
    It's more like something the west would do.

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    Post  Krepost Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:38 am

    Information is from UKRAINIAN sources.

    Here is the list of Russian Losses in Ukraine:

    Total of 102 tanks, BMPs, BTRs, Artillery pieces, Kamaz trucks, Ural trucks, Orlan UAV etc.

    Many of the above were probably abandoned because they were not driveable and needed repairs.
    Otherwise, losses are relatively minimal.
    It is also said that Russian casualties are minimal too because of most of them retreated safely.

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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:45 am

    ^ Go outside and take a walk

    Anyway

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    Post  par far Mon Sep 12, 2022 3:57 am

    There is a lot of nonsense by idiots that think they know war and politics and most of them have only played Call Of Duty, so much of it is nonsense.

    One of the best comments made and something I fully agree with was by SeigSoloyvov and that was
    Russia needs to treat this as a war and not some SMO crap.

    This is a Russia vs NATO and Russia needs treat it as such.

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    Post  Backman Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:06 am

    Interesting  comment directed at the Duran perhaps ? The Duran boys are good but they aren't above it. Let me preempt this. Imo propaganda has to matter too. If you an avoid a huge propaganda loss , you do it. You don't step right into a total propaganda disaster

    I have a very simple question for all those "military experts" who are obviously smarter than the russian general staff and super-clever western "analysts" on ukraine who have never been there, do not speak a single word of ukrainian and would probably end up under some bridge in Kyiv or in front of a church in Lviv begging for Hryvnias after a week when put there ( two Gentlemen from London and Greece coming to mind). Here goes:

    Imagine you are fighting a proxy war against NATO on a 1.500 kilometer long front line with several hot-spots. You are reducing their proxy forces and mercenaries very nicely and make "slow but steady" progress and NATO doesn't give a shit about how many natives you kill, and of course they are stupid enough to deliver weapons and ammo to the point where they run out of them, but you know exactly at some point in time NATO will panick and go all in, the seasons playing a role too. Waging war in ukrainian winter is no fun. So you know at some point they will go all in, but you do Not know where or when. What do you do, "experts" ?

    Stuff the entire 1.500 kilometer long front line with men and weapons just to wait where they will strike ? That's impossible. Stop your SMO and go to trench warfare allowing NATO to dig in ? That's impossible, too. The only possibility is to prepare your reserves and logistics for the big one and just wait. In war, most of the time is spent just waiting. The "experts" do Not tell you because they don't know war. That's what the russians did. They waited patiently. Now NATO has finally panicked. It's exactly what russia was waiting for. Now they will do their thing. And people are calling for the removal of Putin. Idiots.

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    Post  Erk Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:11 am

    par far wrote:...

    This is a Russia vs NATO and Russia needs treat it as such.

    Like what? Nuke the Pentagon? I am sure that would work out well for everybody.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:20 am

    Martyanovs views on the recent developments.



    His main takeaway. Be patient. Watch what happens. Ignore the white noise.

    He is so dismissive of the online "analysts" and social-media hype mongers, even the Russian ones whom he seems to despise almost as much as the Ukropi ones Razz

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 12, 2022 4:29 am

    mr_hd wrote:...Russia does not have man power to rule Ukraine, that story is over couple of years ago...

    They will once they kill enough of them thumbsup



    ALAMO wrote:Oh shit, that must have been massive Shocked

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    De-energized?

    I have just the solution Ukrainians need:

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:00 am

    Larry Johnsons take on the latest.

    https://sonar21.com/knowing-what-we-know-knowing-what-we-dont-know-and-knowing-the-difference/

    Two quotes worth highlighting:

    We also know that Russia is much better at deception than Ukraine and NATO. Ukraine did nothing to hide its intent to launch an attack in the Kherson region and also signaled it would attack around Kharkov. Russia? Helped the Donbas militias reinforce their forces around Kherson (and successfully beat back the Ukrainian attack causing massive Ukrainian losses). Russia also leaked information that it was sending huge armor and artillery reinforcements towards Kherson as that offensive got underway when, in reality, it organized a tactical withdrawal from the region and redeployed forces south to Donetsk.

    One final fact to take into account. Ukraine has incurred horrendous casualties over the last two and a half weeks of combat. Russia and the militias have far fewer losses. Russia has not tapped into its trained military reserve. Ukraine has no trained military reserve left. So, for all of you arm chair generals out there second guessing Russia’s command decisions, please explain how Ukraine comes out on top? I look forward to your answers.

    These last few days have been a real eye-opener and I've certainly learned to always question what I think I know from open-sources. Clearly Russians knew this was on the way, and had long planned to perform a widescale redeployment away from Kharkov to refocus on Donbass. I'd assumed that the withdrawal was shaping up to be a "classic" feint and encirclement but it was clearly something much more significant and strategic. It all makes a bit of a mockery of attempts to forecast what was going to happen, not ashamed to admit it Surprised Embarassed

    As the dust settles, it all starts to look very different, and the weeks ahead are going to be most interesting thumbsup

    One bit of good news seems to be that Russians have been active at getting pro-Russian loyalists to withdraw to east of the Oskol, so hopefully that means very few "separs" will be swept up the the SBU Gestapo for "re-education". The jack-booted tugs will probably run a few randoms thru the grinder to keep up appearances, but that would be counter productive in the long run.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:02 am

    ALAMO wrote:You know what?
    This is the kind of scenario I was considering in Jan/Feb.
    Russia using its overwhelming technological advantage, and just bomb the shit out of them
    And asking once a day, are they done already?
    Hit the targets one by one, down to the list, waiting until they will get some sanity.
    Well, it didn't end up this way, so I still have an aired question : why?
    And more and more I am convinced, that they knew something that changed the situation drastically.

    The **** up in Kharkov clearly changed the situation

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:05 am

    ucmvulcan, I presume that you accidently disliked your own post?  #113

    Laughing

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Sep 12, 2022 5:08 am

    Arsenic wrote:It is also time to destroy all the Ukrainian railway networks which are used to transport all the heavy weapons from the west to the east...

    Destroying rail networks is actually not that simple you can missile a track but it can be repaired within hours your best beat is to destroy the train and stations themselves

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