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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Aug 31, 2022 3:51 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The hype this is getting is well beyond its actual significance.   This is more HIMARS wunderwaffen wishful thinking.


    Dude. nobody hyping Harm's here. and i should tell you integrating foreign missile into fighter jet is a serious business. You cant just slap it and hope it will work. you have to deal with aerodynamics, weight and how the missile separate from the aircraft during launch.

    Madmax it and you'll have unsafe separation like this.



    The fact they can get it to launch without disintegrating the missile or their own MiG's do deserve some credit.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 31, 2022 4:21 pm

    🇬🇧🇺🇦 The battle for Kherson: the situation on the Andreevsky site
    as of 16.00 August 31, 2022

    ▪The Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless expanded the zone of control near Sukhoi Stavka and, having occupied Kostroma, reached the southwestern outskirts of the village of Bruskinskoye, through which the group in Davydov Brod is supplied.

    As a result of attacks on Sukhoi Headquarters and Andreevka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost at least thirty units of armored vehicles. The corridor from the pontoon crossing across the steppe is littered with traces of a victorious offensive. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine achieved their goal: having lost personnel and equipment in a suicidal attack, they managed to line the corridor over the corpses.

    ▪At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not give up their attempts to move to the northeast from Lozovoye through the Plotnitskoye tract and go through the coastal forests to Belogorka

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:02 pm

    kvs wrote:

    Hilarious nonsense.   So late February and March are dry summer months in Ukraine?   Who is this clown?   There is plenty of winter in Ukraine in late February and
    plenty of mud in March.   I recall that Russia was using mud very effectively against the Kiev regime forces.   They could not move across open fields and were being
    hammered on the roads.   "Winter is coming" is a cheesy western entertainment inspired phrase and shows a feeble mind at work.

    Chill out man. Russell Bentley fights on the side of DNR since 2014 with a callsign Texas. He is there, on the ground in Donbass, which is not any of us can claim.
    Let's not be autistic, like Ukrainians, in this forum.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:20 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    Hilarious nonsense.   So late February and March are dry summer months in Ukraine?   Who is this clown?   There is plenty of winter in Ukraine in late February and
    plenty of mud in March.   I recall that Russia was using mud very effectively against the Kiev regime forces.   They could not move across open fields and were being
    hammered on the roads.   "Winter is coming" is a cheesy western entertainment inspired phrase and shows a feeble mind at work.

    Chill out man. Russell Bentley fights on the side of DNR since 2014  with a callsign Texas. He is there, on the ground in Donbass, which is not any of us can claim.  
    Let's not be autistic, like Ukrainians, in this forum.

    Your wasting your time trying to talk reason with someone like KVS
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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:33 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    This "analysis" is absolute garbage.

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:40 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:



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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:12 pm

    Broski wrote:
    kvs wrote:Hilarious nonsense.   So late February and March are dry summer months in Ukraine?   Who is this clown?   There is plenty of winter in Ukraine in late February and
    plenty of mud in March.   I recall that Russia was using mud very effectively against the Kiev regime forces.   They could not move across open fields and were being
    hammered on the roads.   "Winter is coming" is a cheesy western entertainment inspired phrase and shows a feeble mind at work.
    They don't seem to understand that Winter is Russia's most trusted ally. Anyone thinking this military operation is going to pause in November will be in for a rude awakening, I expect Russia's airforce will take a more prominent role when Bandera's cannon fodder have no foliage to hide themselves and their anti-aircraft systems under.

    Indeed, if anything the summer months made things easier for Kiev regime forces. The cognitive dissonance and compartmentalized thinking in the brains
    of western analysts is something to behold.

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    Post  Isos Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:15 pm

    Any sign of GPS jamming ? Himars rockets use gps and russian army doesn't, why aren't they jamming it yet ?
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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:15 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    The hype this is getting is well beyond its actual significance.   This is more HIMARS wunderwaffen wishful thinking.


    Dude. nobody hyping Harm's here.  and i should tell you integrating foreign missile into fighter jet is a serious business.  You cant just slap it and hope it will work. you have to deal with aerodynamics, weight and how the missile separate from the  aircraft during launch.

    Madmax it and you'll have unsafe separation like this.



    The fact they can get it to launch without disintegrating the missile or their own MiG's do deserve some credit.

    Do not take my post as an attack. The technical difficulties of this "achievement" are not germane to my point. How many Kiev regime jets
    are operating and how many HARM missiles are they going to fire. Thus we are exactly at HIMARS type hype. I am seeing this video being
    spewed all over the place with the same "game changer" drivel attached.

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:18 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    kvs wrote:

    Hilarious nonsense.   So late February and March are dry summer months in Ukraine?   Who is this clown?   There is plenty of winter in Ukraine in late February and
    plenty of mud in March.   I recall that Russia was using mud very effectively against the Kiev regime forces.   They could not move across open fields and were being
    hammered on the roads.   "Winter is coming" is a cheesy western entertainment inspired phrase and shows a feeble mind at work.

    Chill out man. Russell Bentley fights on the side of DNR since 2014  with a callsign Texas. He is there, on the ground in Donbass, which is not any of us can claim.  
    Let's not be autistic, like Ukrainians, in this forum.

    You are basically invoking an appeal to authority. Nobody's claims are justified based on their "credentials". I could care less if this was some hero of the Donbass.
    What he is spewing is pure nonsense.
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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:21 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:🇬🇧🇺🇦 The battle for Kherson: the situation on the Andreevsky site
    as of 16.00 August 31, 2022

    ▪The Armed Forces of Ukraine nevertheless expanded the zone of control near Sukhoi Stavka and, having occupied Kostroma, reached the southwestern outskirts of the village of Bruskinskoye, through which the group in Davydov Brod is supplied.

    As a result of attacks on Sukhoi Headquarters and Andreevka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine lost at least thirty units of armored vehicles. The corridor from the pontoon crossing across the steppe is littered with traces of a victorious offensive. But the Armed Forces of Ukraine achieved their goal: having lost personnel and equipment in a suicidal attack, they managed to line the corridor over the corpses.

    ▪At the same time, the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not give up their attempts to move to the northeast from Lozovoye through the Plotnitskoye tract and go through the coastal forests to Belogorka

    A cannon fodder operation where absurd losses to "regain" some villages are engaged all in the name of propaganda. I am sure we will have all sorts of claims
    about the great Russian retreat spewing from every crack now.

    Where is the counter-offensive that matters, the one in Donetsk?

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:32 pm

    Using satellite fire emissions products to track artillery campaigns takes the cake for retardation. The vast majority of artillery shell explosions do not
    produce fires and do not emit for long enough in the EM range for the spectrometers to register them as fires and not clip them as sensor noise.
    So what you see in the NASA products is anything from brush fires to building fires. Some of it is war related some of it is not but you simply can't
    invert HIMARS activity from this data.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:33 pm

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    Absolutely horrendous for ukrops , the lone grouping is getting savaged

    They advanced in a thin column

    **** it's a massacre

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:34 pm

    kvs wrote:
    You are basically invoking an appeal to authority.   Nobody's claims are justified based on their "credentials".    I could care less if this was some hero of the Donbass.
    What he is spewing is pure nonsense.
    I wouldn't discount at all what he said about Donetsk residents. He is there and communicates with people on daily bases.
    I'm not going to talk about his knowledge ( or lack of) of military strategy.
    But, i can see how every day shelling continuing after six months after the start of war can have negative effect on morale.
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    Post  Backman Wed Aug 31, 2022 6:53 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:

    Still tho hats off to the modification.  I thought they will went easier way of ground launch like Israeli did, that checks out alot of unknowns and potential aerodynamics issues.

    As New Atlas said , this capability was done and tested long before the war started. Plus there are Mig 29's all over the world with mixed weapons. So i dunno if it warrants wanking them off for it.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:14 pm

    Odessa is 818 km from Belgrade, which is not so far, because Russia will get closer to Serbia. Russia in the near future will be from Odessa and Murmansk to Vladivostok, Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. Nice, those in the West are going to be furious.. I'm already planning to go on vacation to Odessa, Russia.
    Nikolaev is 925 km from Belgrade, Kherson is 960 km from Belgrade and Sevastopol 1032 km. Kharkov is 1316 km from Belgrade.. Vladivostok ? 8117 km! What a country !

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:19 pm

    Ukrops were thrown back from bruskinsky

    Z forces are counterattacking on the accumulations of manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the northern outskirts of Sukhoi Stavka and Kostromka. The enemy has been thrown back from Bruskinsky

    It should not be hard to wipe out such a thin column of ukrops

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    Post  nomadski Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:21 pm

    The question is , why would the Americans even bother with it ? Do they hope the Migs will force Radar to reveal itself and shoot down the said Mig ? Then they are sacrificed a Ukrop pilot life to gain such information . The Mig firing the Harm , can be taken out by another plane , without risking any long range  AD over it . And regarding the Ukrop " advance " near Kherson , someone said they had to bring troops from other places , meaning they are concentrated in very small area , lightly armed  in the middle of Russian troops , concentrated in a narrow front ? Yes completely genius !

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:36 pm

    ⚡It is reported that in the evening the Allied Forces are counterattacking throughout the entire Kherson-Nikolaev Front. The enemy has been knocked out to their original positions almost everywhere, having suffered irreparable losses both in equipment and in manpower🧨


    Should this be true, it's the best thing that can happen. Crush them 🗜🗜🗜🗜🗜

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    We need confirmation , but we will see more details later

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 31, 2022 7:43 pm

    T62m is not bad for kherson, most of the t72m1 ukrops had got knocked out by Kornet and Konkurs ATGM

    So t62m is good to go after the destroyed Ukrainian positions

    In any case once ukrops are defeated, Russia should counter until November before winter gets serious

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:07 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:⚡It is reported that in the evening the Allied Forces are counterattacking throughout the entire Kherson-Nikolaev Front. The enemy has been knocked out to their original positions almost everywhere, having suffered irreparable losses both in equipment and in manpower🧨


    Should this be true, it's the best thing that can happen. Crush them 🗜🗜🗜🗜🗜

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    We need confirmation , but we will see more details later
    There were news on UkroNazi Telegram/Twitter channels that Volkssturm untis from Odessa were sent to support the "mightiest counter-offensive in the history of warfare". People feared that there would be not much left around Nikolaev and Odessa to stop a advance by the Russian Armed Forces after they crushed the attack by the Ukros.

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:10 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Ukrops were thrown back from bruskinsky

    Z forces are counterattacking on the accumulations of manpower and equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the northern outskirts of Sukhoi Stavka and Kostromka. The enemy has been thrown back from Bruskinsky

    It should not be hard to wipe out such a thin column of ukrops
    Some sources claim the Russian Army waited for more Ukro forces to advance into the cauldron which was set up by the strategic geniuses in Kiev/Brussels/London/Washington themselves. It seems there was nothing left after the first "wave" of the attack and now they´re getting annihilated.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:10 pm

    Backman wrote:

    As New Atlas said , this capability was done and tested long before the war started. Plus there are Mig 29's all over the world with mixed weapons. So i dunno if it warrants wanking them off for it.

    Nope. and no, Current MiG-29's are firing exclusively Russian weapons. Maybe Romanian MiG's firing Israeli missiles but that one is long gone now. and i am not wanking. If you think weapon integration are easy.. it is not.

    You know back here in Indonesia we were manufacturing dumb bombs for our Su-27 and Su-30's. Despite similarities in look the early batches were unsafe because turns out they have different pressure distribution. Thus we need to tinker around more until finally we can make something as proper as the original Russian made.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Aug 31, 2022 8:10 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:T62m is not bad for kherson, most of the t72m1 ukrops had got knocked out by Kornet and Konkurs ATGM

    So t62m is good to go after the destroyed Ukrainian positions

    In any case once ukrops are defeated, Russia should counter until November before winter gets serious

    I think that the winters in those parts are not as strong as those further north than Nikolaev and Odessa. For Kharkov, yes, because winter will come there sooner. Although, I see that for the last few years, even in Moscow, less and less snow falls before December..
    I have a proposal to make a camp in the Verkhoyansk for Ukroshitstan fighters. It will be nice for them, the air is fresh and of good quality.
    They will also have very drinkable water, of high quality, but during many months of the year they will have to break several meters of ice to reach the water.

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