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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:53 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    caveat emptor wrote:

    " The IFR’s use of the term “industrial robot” is based on the definition of the International Organization for Standardization: an “automatically controlled, reprogrammable multipurpose manipulator, programmable in three or more axes, which can be either fixed in place or fixed to a mobile platform for use in automation applications in an industrial environment". (ISO 8373:2021) "


    In other words, "pseudo high-tech voodoo, which has an extremely limited range of applications in industrial technological operations."
    For clarity, this is an industrial robot:


    Do I need to explain the difference in performance between these two cases, and the level of demand in heavy engineering for each of them?
    As I said earlier: It's nothing more than smoke and mirrors.


    Then you must share your observations with Manturov and Putin since they want to increase Russian IR base base orders of magnitude.

    Around 85,000 robots planned to be delivered to Russian enterprises by 2030

    Denis Manturov also said that state support measures that will be available to manufacturers
    MOSCOW, July 18. /TASS/. About 85,000 industrial robots are to be delivered to Russian enterprises by 2030 and more than half of them will be produced domestically, First Deputy Prime Minister Denis Manturov said in an interview with Rossiya-24 TV channel.

    https://tass.com/economy/1818513


    Rosatom Robotics dept
    https://rosatom-service.ru/en/directions/robotics/



    At the Chelyabinsk Forge-and-Press Plant, the President inspected the products manufactured there as part of the state defence order.


    The President also visited the Robotics Factory, an enterprise that is engaged in the serial production and assembly of 6-axis industrial robotic manipulators. He visited an exhibit of import-substitution parts for industrial robots

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73471


    BTW
    Xiaomi assembly line





    VAZ assembly line

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:00 am

    As usual, Gunship you do not have much understanding in whatever you say.

    You also need to take into consideration:
    - Russias population vs China's. Why? More people need cars in China than in Russia. So you can mass produce vehicles compared to Russia through entire automation.
    - What is happening to overall populations? Full automations means less workers. Less workers means less Jobs. Less jobs means less income coming in through taxation and less people purchasing. China faces an odd issue where in the neighboring regions away from the south east, people are predominantly poor with little options and thus stick to farming. Beijing and Shanghai? They cant get cheap labour anymore. Russia's mass industrialization isn't as localized as some people think. Automation in a lot of European and American enterprises are not even like China's. As well, workers are great to have currently to help deal with QA.
    - Scorpius is actually correct in what he said. a massive Russian 3D printer making metal components and auto CNC machine is not classified as robotics. The biggest cost cutter is in the trained personnel needed for these parts as you need specialists. If that is replaced by a Massive 3d printer and auto CNC machine, it removes the human need for it and the machine will do that specific task faster. What you posted was a video showing assembly. I mean, assembly robots are nice but that is what already Togliatti already has. Just not complete automation of assembly.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:26 am

    sepheronx wrote:As usual, Gunship you do not have much understanding in whatever you say.

    You also need to take into consideration:
    - Russias population vs China's.  Why? More people need cars in China than in Russia.  So you can mass produce vehicles compared to Russia through entire automation.
    - What is happening to overall populations? Full automations means less workers.  Less workers means less Jobs.  Less jobs means less income coming in through taxation and less people purchasing.  China faces an odd issue where in the neighboring regions away from the south east, people are predominantly poor with little options and thus stick to farming.  Beijing and Shanghai? They cant get cheap labour anymore.  Russia's mass industrialization isn't as localized as some people think.  Automation in a lot of European and American enterprises are not even like China's.  As well, workers are great to have currently to help deal with QA.
    - Scorpius is actually correct in what he said.  a massive Russian 3D printer making metal components and auto CNC machine is not classified as robotics.  The biggest cost cutter is in the trained personnel needed for these parts as you need specialists.  If that is replaced by a Massive 3d printer and auto CNC machine, it removes the human need for it and the machine will do that specific task faster.  What you posted was a video showing assembly.  I mean, assembly robots are nice but that is what already Togliatti already has. Just not complete automation of assembly.




    Sepheronx, please take a moment to carefully read my post before replying—it usually helps to avoid misunderstandings or ad hominem arguments.

    I didn't refer to CNC/Printers. CNC machines or 3D printers and IRs are completely different—like apples and oranges. I was specifically referring to the IR part. An IR is a high-tech product, not some kind of "voodoo."

    And yes, it plays a significant role in workforce replacement, which is a critical need for Russia right now. While China is struggling with the rising cost of labor, Russia faces a shortage of workers altogether. Why else would Putin and Manturov suddenly push for more IRs in Russian industry? Doesn't sound like "voodoo," does it?

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:33 am

    I really do not think you are understanding this conversation.

    Industrial robots is to replace a workforce for complete automation. But it is for something trivial. You remove a workforce by complete automation is gonna lead to a massive deficit in work. Something already plenty in China are actively worried about. Something that has also lead to a stagnation sort of "growth" in China which resulted in China looking at property management as a way to increase economics".

    You need a balance, something Russia needs to do. Industrial Robots could help but isn't be all solution. Real robotics isn't what you classify as IR because that is just a broad term. Auto CNC is actual IR too and you can wish it isn't the case all you want but it isn't my problem. And Auto CNC and 3D printers are indeed a form of industrial roboticization that removes a major fundamental issue of skilled labor force. Assembly robots do not. If that was the case, then auto workers of Ontario would be revolting and Canadian automotive industry would be in major trouble.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:49 am

    lancelot wrote:He also claims that South Korea can make 250 tanks a year when the number is closer to like 50.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther#Production
    The best they did was 106 K2 tanks in two years. i.e. 53 tanks a year.
    Japan is even worse at producing new tanks.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_10#Operators
    The best they did was 14 Type 10 tanks in a single year.
    But I guess even that is better than the US which produces ZERO new tanks a year.

    I guess the real number is even less than 50, and a very good example is fulfilling the contract with Poland.
    It is the only active contract pending at the moment, and take a look at the numbers.

    Quoting a mythical numbers for the western MIC is just one more indicative how deluded one can be having not a single clue of how the industry works if combined with the business.

    Germany can supply ONE Iris-T system a YEAR, and if asked kindly they can increase that up to TWO.
    But nobody asked them, because that would mean additional investments to be made that needs to pay off.
    And won't, as there will be no extra orders for t.
    Amazing, isn't it?

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    Post  Kiko Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:11 pm

    One of the main points stressed today by Putin on "Russia Calling":

    Russia's GDP grew by 3.6% in 2023 and by 4.1% in January-October 2024; growth is concentrated in manufacturing industries - this sector has added 8.1% over ten months, with the auto industry and mechanical engineering showing the fastest growth rates

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    Post  Arrow Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:45 pm

    The incredible rise of the most sanctioned country in the world. And fighting one of the biggest wars since World War II.

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    Post  Scorpius Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm

    As of August 1, 2024, the funds of the population (individuals) in accounts and deposits in Russian banks reached 50.39 trillion rubles, according to the Central Bank. This is equivalent to 26.3% of Russia's projected GDP for 2024 (RUB 191.4 trillion, according to estimates by the Ministry of Economic Development).
    https://www.rbc.ru/finances/22/08/2024/66c755709a79478704c1ff7c

    In 2024, interest payments on deposits and savings accounts will exceed a record 7 trillion rubles, about 1 trillion of which will be paid to its customers by VTB. This was stated by VTB Senior Vice President Dmitry Breitenbicher at the 15th VTB Investment Forum "Russia is Calling!".
    https://www.rbc.ru/quote/news/article/674f01989a7947be9c403995

    By October, the amount of deposits of individuals amounted to 51.6 trillion rubles. The growth rate of this market is the highest in the last 14 years
    According to the results of the first nine months of 2024, the average deposit size among the population (excluding depositors with account balances up to 10 thousand rubles) amounted to 583 thousand rubles, according to data from the Deposit Insurance Agency (DIA). This is almost 21% more than it was at the end of 2023. For legal entities, the average deposit amount was 4.6 million rubles (by the end of 2023 it was 21% less — 3.8 million rubles).
    https://frankmedia.ru/184198

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Dec 05, 2024 4:57 am

    And I got nothing in my bank account but red....
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    Post  Scorpius Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:17 pm

    A small detail: in Russia we have credit cards with a grace period of repayment - up to 100 days. That is, you pay 0 (ZERO) interest on the loan if you repay the debt during the grace period. So, you can live on credit for three months, after which you repay the debt and pay nothing to the bank. And you can make short-term deposits for the same three months - now, for example, you can open a deposit at 24% per annum for a period of 2-3 months.
    Yes, I take advantage of this offer.

    ...or, for example, recently I bought myself a coat, scarf, gloves and a hat at the Kalyaev store. Since I was shopping with them for the first time, I got a 30% discount on the coat, and 50% on the rest. In total, it cost me about 17 thousand rubles. Now another 7 thousand rubles have fallen in the form of cashback to their club card, and within two months I can use them to pay up to 30% of the cost of any purchase in their store.

    These are private stories, of course - but they also demonstrate some economic processes in Russia.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Dec 20, 2024 4:21 pm

    The Bank of Russia kept the key rate at 21%, by Alexandra Yudina for VZGLYAD. 12.20.2024.

    The Central Bank of Russia has decided not to change the key rate and leave it at 21% per annum.

    The Central Bank of Russia has decided not to change the key rate, keeping it at 21% per annum, which came as a surprise to financial analysts and experts.

    The Central Bank announced that it would maintain the key rate at 21% per annum, RIA Novosti reports .

    This decision came as a surprise to many experts, who expected a rate cut against the backdrop of stabilizing inflation and macroeconomic indicators.

    Experts believed that the key rate would be raised to 23% per annum. However, they expect the rate cut cycle to begin in the third quarter of 2025.

    According to their forecasts, by the end of 2025 the rate level could fall to 16-18%, although some analysts predict its level at 20-21%.

    The day before, Putin expressed hope that the Central Bank’s decision would be balanced and would meet the requirements of the current time.

    Let us recall that the head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina announced a possible increase in the key rate in December, noting the influence of the exchange rate and high prices on inflation.

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2024/12/20/1304596.html

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:34 am

    Why the Central Bank is afraid of the economy's "overcooling", by Olga Samofalova for RiaNovosti. 12.23.2024.

    The Bank of Russia continues to surprise the market. If in the past it made surprises in the form of a tougher rate increase, then this time it surprised, on the contrary, by not raising it. Although the market was sure of the opposite, because inflation continued to rise. Why did the Central Bank decide to change its game tactics?

    The consensus forecast of analysts was that the rate would definitely be raised in December, immediately from 21% to 23%, and some analysts did not rule out an increase to 24-25%.

    No one dared to assume that the rate would not be raised. Because neither inflation nor the growth of the Russian economy have stopped. Moreover, inflation continues to go up. And in previous times, this was the main reason for the Central Bank of the Russian Federation to raise the rate.

    "We considered the main option to be raising the rate to 23% with a moderately tough signal. This was due, firstly, to the acceleration of inflation by the end of the year: as of December 16, accumulated inflation exceeded 9% with the October consensus forecast of the Central Bank of 8-8.5% by the end of the year. Secondly, to the increase in price expectations of enterprises and inflation expectations of the population. Thirdly, to the expected transfer of the November weakening of the ruble to prices," says Olga Belenkaya, head of the macroeconomic analysis department of FG Finam.

    Why did the Bank of Russia keep the rate at the same level as before - 21%? The regulator shifted its focus from inflation to lending, which is showing a cooling. In November, retail lending actually stopped, and corporate lending began to slow down for the first time since the beginning of 2024. Next year, the Central Bank expects lending to continue to cool.

    As for inflation, which has not yet slowed down, it needs time for the already high rate to have its effect. The Central Bank believes that prices are growing by inertia due to the fact that there was previously high credit activity, that the ruble was devalued earlier and, finally, budget injections into the economy have accumulated. However, in the coming months, inflation will begin to decline due to the 21% rate, which is already high, and due to the slowdown in lending, the regulator believes.

    "The Central Bank's logic has changed significantly compared to previous meetings. There is an explanation for this," Belenkaya says. According to her, Elvira Nabiullina actually said at the last meeting that the increase in the key rate was "not predetermined" and that the turning point could be a slowdown in lending growth, but few paid attention to this because of rising inflation.

    Now, Belenkaya explains,

    The Central Bank is not focusing on the current economic situation, which it can no longer change, but on the future. The effect of a high rate is not immediately visible, but in 3-6 months, and it remains to be seen.

    The effect of raising the key rate from 16% to 21% in the second half of 2024 will be fully reflected in the economy next year, Belenkaya says. This is what the Central Bank is counting on. They expect annual inflation to fall to 4% (and this is the main goal) in 2026.

    In addition, the regulator was afraid of the negative consequences of the fact that it could inadvertently "over-squeeze" the rate with its rigidity. "Business is already concerned that the key rate is higher than 20%, and even higher rates on new market loans could lead to excessive "overcooling" of the economy or even a recession. The realization of credit risks due to the deterioration of the financial situation of borrowers also threatens banks. The Central Bank probably also took these risks into account," Olga Belenkaya believes.

    “Perhaps the reason for the change in rhetoric is that the regulator fears a recession,” Ilya Fedorov, chief economist at BCS World of Investments, does not rule out.

    The regulator is essentially balancing on the edge. On one side of the scale is the acceleration of inflation to double-digit values, when it is no longer possible to stop it. Which inevitably leads to devaluation, crisis and impoverishment of the population. Russia has already experienced this in modern history. "High and stable inflation leads to a rapid depreciation of savings, a rapid weakening of the national currency, and the impossibility of implementing investment activities. Such episodes occurred throughout most of the 1990s, as well as during the main crises of the 2000s and 2010s," says Vladimir Yevstifeyev, head of the analytical department at Zenit Bank.

    If the regulator had not raised the rate this year, inflation would have been several times higher than the current one. “We calculated alternative scenarios, and if we, for example, had left the rate at the level it was from the fall of 2022 to the middle of last year – that is, 7.5%, then inflation would not have been just double-digit, it would have been much higher than 20%, and perhaps even 30%, because inflation expectations would have grown sharply, and most importantly, it would have continued to accelerate rapidly,” Nabiullina said at a press conference. This is why the rate hike has already worked, she believes.

    Meanwhile, on the other side of the scale is a sharp cooling of the economy due to very high rates and very expensive credit money, which are killing business. In the construction sector, market participants are already sounding the alarm. Excessive rate increases also lead to an economic downturn and a crisis with unpleasant consequences. Therefore, stopping rate increases in time so as not to overdo it is also an important decision. Whether the Central Bank did the right thing on December 20 will become clear in a few months.

    And the first important result will be summed up at the Central Bank meeting in February 2025. The regulator softened its rhetoric, but still left the possibility of raising the key rate there.

    "The Central Bank indicates that it trusts the current slowdown in lending, which is why it decided not to raise the key rate in December. But if inflation continues to accelerate at the beginning of 2025, and lending again accelerates its growth rate, the Central Bank may resume raising the key rate," Evstifeev believes.

    "The regulator made a bold assumption that the sharp rise in prices in November and December is temporary. The text of the press release does not contain any clear arguments in support of the decision to keep the rate at the current level, so the Bank of Russia, in our opinion, will consider the possibility of raising the "key" in February next year," notes Sergey Konygin, senior economist at the analytical department of the investment bank Sinara.

    However, Vladimir Chernov from Freedom Finance Global expects the rate to remain at this level for at least three more months, so that the Central Bank can assess the effectiveness of the previous increase and additional inflationary restrictive measures. "Perhaps the Central Bank also realized that high inflation rates are not only due to the regulator's soft monetary policy, but even more so because of sanctions, since the logistics of all imported goods have become significantly more expensive, and the ruble has depreciated by about 10-15% - and all imported goods for Russians have become more expensive by about the same amount," Chernov believes. However, it is becoming difficult to predict the Central Bank's actions, so experts do not rule out any scenarios.

    As for when the Central Bank might start cutting the rate, Fedorov from BCS World of Investments believes that the reduction will begin in the middle or end of the second quarter of 2025, after external (geopolitical) and internal inflation risks have become clear. “By the end of 2025, the rate, according to our expectations, will be reduced to 16% with inflation at 5–5.5% and near-zero economic growth. The forecast for the average annual rate has been reduced by 1 percentage point – to 19.5%,” Fedorov notes.

    https://m.vz.ru/economy/2024/12/23/1304590.html
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:57 am

    There are loans through various programs were interest is very low. These are more of either government or private. In either case, companies reducing borrowing is because this is the time period where they start to look at repaying their debts. This is a cycle.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:04 am

    Russia is facing "sanction shock".
    With most of the western companies out of the market now, and capital investment opportunities reduced - all the money stays in the economy.
    It makes a very significant inflation impulse.
    Supply shortages pushed the prices of some goods up.
    Lack of manpower while the economy is booming pushes the salaries up.
    They are facing a combination of events that generate inflation - every single one of those alone is a pressure, while combined ...

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    Post  Arrow Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:38 am

    Supply shortages pushed the prices of some goods up. Lack of manpower while the economy is booming pushes the salaries up. They are facing a combination of events that generate inflation - every single one of those alone is a pressure, while combined ... wrote:

    They overheated the economy? Rolling Eyes I read that they are even deliberately reducing economic growth because they have such a boom that causes the economy to lose and there are no workers.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:49 am

    Sort of.
    This gives us a clear hint about the scale of money laundering schemes that are being operated by "western businesses".

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Dec 23, 2024 5:03 pm

    There is also other ways around this.

    The biggest one will be working with other countries who may be able to provide better loan options to private entities in Russia. For instance, if Chinese banks or Indian banks or what not would be willing to invest in Russia they could potentially operate that way. This is least ideal imo though.

    The other option is for the companies seek to open up manufacturing in these other countries like India, China, Belarus and Kazakhstan. This one would mean they could gain access to those respective markets for the goods, have a decent to large labor pool, gain access to obtain credit in those countries if need be, and help in balancing out trade with friendly nations giving bonus to them to keep cooperation going long term. This would also help reduce inflation when they can increase the goods coming into the country if they cannot automate certain processes but need more of the goods.

    Last but not least, open up more incentive to third parties to open up businesses in Russia. More Chinese, Indian, Vietnamese, Belarussian, etc businesses who want to be able to sell in the Russian market and meet demands of the locals.

    All in all, Russia is in an interesting situation as Alamo pointed out. Massive growth in demand/consumption, growth in wages yet labor pool not big enough and with high interest rates, businesses find it expensive to expand. In that regard, government loans and incentives will end up increasing in the end in order to provide to the companies, bypassing standard banking process. Russian government did this multitude of times especially for their technograds.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:00 pm

    There are loans through various programs were interest is very low. These are more of either government or private. In either case, companies reducing borrowing is because this is the time period where they start to look at repaying their debts. This is a cycle.

    Plus there are various schemes that allow cheap loans for various reasons like import substitution and various other drives to boost the economy, in which case loans from banks become rather less attractive especially as interest rates and inflation are up.

    The biggest one will be working with other countries who may be able to provide better loan options to private entities in Russia. For instance, if Chinese banks or Indian banks or what not would be willing to invest in Russia they could potentially operate that way. This is least ideal imo though.

    Banks are a licence to produce money so allowing foreign banks in might force your own banks to be more competitive, but it would also lead to money going out of your economy too.

    The other option is for the companies seek to open up manufacturing in these other countries like India, China, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

    Isn't that what that guy developing that engine for their training aircraft do by setting up production in Germany?

    Shifting production to other countries is what has led America to where they need a Trump to Make America Great Again by imposing tariffs to force US manufacturers to bring production back to the US of A...

    You are trading one set of problems for a different and worse set of problems.

    Russian producers should already have access to the markets of friendly countries... that should be how free trade works.

    I don't think the answers are as easy as you suggest.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Dec 25, 2024 12:54 am

    No, they aren't as easy as I suggest and I admit. I mean, I bet far more intelligent people thought if these lot earlier.

    My suggestion to open up production outside of Russia wasn't on items that aren't being built in Russia be built elsewhere. More like help supplement current production by opening same production elsewhere.

    But yes, overall it doest create an issue especially when the other country could produce it cheaper which may lead to factory in Russia closing instead.

    I guess the last real option besides governmental loans at very low interest specifically for key industries, is mass production through automation. Just open more factories for manufacture of goods that doesn't require hands on talent.

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    Post  franco Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:25 pm

    According to the results of the third quarter, the number of employees of small and medium-sized businesses (SMEs) amounted to 19.77 million people. This is the highest value compared to the data of the third quarters of 2019-2023, the autonomous non-profit organization (ANO) National Priorities told Izvestia on December 28.

    They noted that the growth of employment in the sector means that the consequences of restrictions and sanctions shocks of recent years have been successfully overcome. Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak emphasized that this was largely facilitated by the implementation of a set of measures to support SMEs within the framework of the national project "Small and Medium Entrepreneurship".

    "The targeting of state support measures and control over their implementation in the regions allow us to support priority areas for the state. This work will be continued within the framework of a new cycle of national and federal projects, taking into account the fine-tuning of the most effective instruments for the new goals and objectives outlined by the President [of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin ]," ANO quoted him as saying.

    At the same time, as Deputy Minister of Economic Development of Russia Tatyana Ilyushnikova specified, over the first nine months of 2024, compared to the same period in 2019, the largest absolute increase in the number of employees in the SME sector is observed in industry, tourism, and IT. In terms of relative increase in the number of employees, the leaders are education (+51%), tourism (+39%), and IT (+32%).

    The day before, it was reported that the number of small and medium-sized businesses created in Russia this year exceeded 1 million. Of these, 814 thousand were created in the form of individual entrepreneurship , according to an analytical note from the autonomous non-profit organization National Priorities.

    https://iz-ru.translate.goog/1815591/2024-12-28/v-rossii-chislo-rabotnikov-msp-v-iii-kvartale-stalo-rekordnym-za-shest-let?main_click&_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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    Post  kvs Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:10 pm

    The clowns at the CBR are doing everything possible to suppress the growth of small enterprises. A 21% interest rate is loan shark grade nonsense.
    Inflation is not a trivial function of the interest rate. By suppressing investment, the CBR is actually keeping the money from being absorbed by
    activity that is not consumer related.

    The CBR is a wannabe Gosplan. It wants to eat its cake and have it too. It cannot properly manage investment in Russia and the formation of
    new businesses. It should get out of the way. Here we have a case where free market principles are genuine and CBR price fixing is a pure negative.
    The money flow in Russia is being distorted and inflation is a symptom. The CBR's "overheating" BS is creating the problem.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:13 am

    Controlling inflation on the backdrop of economical overheating and a huge worker shortfall is a far greater priority at the moment, than stimulating the growth of SMEs

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    Post  sepheronx Sun Dec 29, 2024 2:53 am

    That's the thing, if they don't control it, it will be like Turkey.
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    Post  Kiko Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:12 pm

    Russians will receive a new legal way to earn money in 2024, by Dmitry Skvortsov for VZGLYAD. 01.08.2025.

    In 2024, a revolutionary change in the position of Russian financial authorities regarding the use of cryptocurrencies took place. A package of laws was adopted concerning digital currencies and activities related to their circulation and use. Against the backdrop of sanctions, bitcoins, ethers, etc. turned out to be a unique tool for generating income for both citizens and the entire state.

    Until 2024, mining and use of digital currencies in the Russian Federation took place mostly outside the legal framework. Advanced citizens mined (produced using special computing machines) bitcoins (Bitcoin) or ethers (Ethereum) and sold them either to other individuals or converted them into dollars/euros on foreign cryptocurrency exchanges. And investors bought bitcoins and other similar instruments in the hope of their rapid growth or to conduct arbitrage transactions.

    Soon, there were offers of services to include a small computing power of an individual user in a pool (this was more efficient for mining), the organizer of which took on the obligation to either transfer each user's share to his crypto wallet, or independently convert the mined and distribute the received currency among the pool participants. Reputable mining farms also appeared, requiring significant investments, but having no legal status.

    Softening and legalization

    For a long time, the Central Bank was categorically against the circulation of surrogate currencies in Russia (which, according to experts from the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, should include cryptocurrencies). At one time, there was even talk about the possibility of introducing criminal liability for the use of surrogate currencies in Russia, but then the rhetoric of representatives of the Russian financial authorities began to soften.

    The beginning of the West's sanctions war against Russia, the disconnection of most Russian banks from the SWIFT system, the threat of secondary sanctions against banks in third countries that maintained cooperation with Russia, forced them to look for an effective means of circumventing these sanctions. Making payments in national currencies did not always solve this problem. A bank with dollar correspondent accounts is in any case transparent to American financial intelligence - and accepting payments for supplies to Russia arouses close interest and the threat of secondary sanctions.

    This problem can be solved either through barter transactions (there are no payments, and it is impossible to track the financial trail of the transaction), or by conducting export-import payments through small regional banks that do not work with dollars and are therefore opaque to American control.

    Finally, the third way is to use cryptocurrencies. This is because their circulation is technically completely different from the circulation of fiat currencies (such as the ruble, dollar, euro, yuan or any other currency issued by the state).

    But in order to use cryptocurrencies in international settlements, Russia needed to adopt a whole series of laws. This was implemented in the summer of 2024. On August 8, Law No. 223-FZ "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation" (to a number of federal laws) was adopted.

    Thus, the Central Bank was granted the powers of a regulatory body on issues of experimental legal regimes (and at first, international settlements in cryptocurrencies will be carried out within the framework of such regimes). The government received the right to introduce a ban on mining in certain regions of Russia (and in a number of regions, this has already been implemented since January 1 ). A ban was established on combining mining with activities related to the production, transmission, accounting and sale of electricity.

    Changes concerning digital currency mining came into force on November 1, 2024. Amendments to the law on digital financial assets essentially legalize cryptocurrency mining activities in Russia. Legal entities and individual entrepreneurs now have the right to mine cryptocurrency, but only after they are included in a special register. Individuals will be able to mine without registering in the register, but they must not exceed the established energy consumption limits.

    This immediately led to a significant increase in sales of mining farms (computing machines). In November, it was reported that the demand for the corresponding equipment in Russia had grown several times. The reason for this was the sharp increase in the cost of bitcoin.

    Invisible payment

    The main goal that served as an incentive to quickly implement legislative changes legalizing mining is to ensure international settlements. The threat of secondary sanctions affected banks in a number of countries - Russia's trading partners. And although the problems with China that arose were solved each time, a slowdown in bilateral trade occurred periodically.

    To what extent can the use of cryptocurrencies help to avoid such situations? On the one hand, the blockchain system allows you to trace the path of bitcoin (or other cryptocurrency) from the moment it was created as a result of mining through all the crypto wallets in which it ended up. On the other hand, these crypto wallets are anonymous. Existing anti-money laundering systems allow you to identify suspicious wallets, which, however, in most cases still remain anonymous.

    Thus, if a Russian importer mined cryptocurrency himself or bought it after the verification procedure showed that it was clean, no one will be able to establish not only the name of the company, but even the country where this crypto wallet is located. Well, unless information from the Russian registry leaks to the Americans.

    Here it is important to understand that Russian importers will not be able to pay for imports from China directly with cryptocurrency. In China, cryptocurrency transactions were recognized as a form of money laundering in 2024. However, these restrictions do not apply to Hong Kong - and it will be possible to buy goods in China through Hong Kong.

    It will be possible to pay for imports from India, the UAE, and Singapore with cryptocurrency. Iran will also be interested in receiving cryptocurrency for its exports to Russia. But not because of fear of secondary sanctions (Iran has long been disconnected from SWIFT, and it is too late for it to be afraid), but because of the lack of convertible currency in the country.

    Hidden energy export

    The Central Bank's tough position on preventing the use of cryptocurrencies within the country as a means of payment is quite understandable. If bitcoins and ethers take up part of the domestic settlements, the need for rubles as a means of payment will decrease. That is, an excess of rubles will form, which will increase inflationary pressure. And the use of cryptocurrency in foreign trade transactions will play against the dollar rather than against the ruble.

    But the main motive for allowing crypto mining within the country is to encourage energy “exports.” At the moment, the possibilities for exporting electricity from Russia are limited either by infrastructure capabilities or by sanctions and geopolitical realities (the refusal of Russian electricity by Finland, the Baltic countries, and Ukraine).

    And for cryptocurrency mining, there is enough excess generation within the country and the Internet, so that the mined can be transferred to any crypto exchange. There are no problems with generation in most regions of Russia. And selling bitcoins on a foreign crypto exchange will be equivalent to exporting the electricity spent on their mining.

    But if InterRAO receives currency from physical export of electricity, sells it within the country and pays taxes on its income, then miners (as they worked before) did not pay anything. Only for electricity (and at a fairly low rate).

    Legalization of mining is intended to create conditions when miners will also pay taxes on their activities, thereby sharing their earnings with their country. And only the first step has been taken so far. But given that Russia is currently in second place in terms of mining volumes (approximately 1 GW of capacity versus 2-3 GW in the US), this step had to be taken.

    Thus, the legalization of mining that took place in 2024 brought benefits and income to both Russian citizens and the Russian state. And in 2025, this trend will only intensify.

    https://m.vz.ru/economy/2025/1/8/1307306.html

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jan 08, 2025 7:43 pm

    That was a senseless ban to begin with. Even before the ban, there were other hurdles and result was that many fintech start ups relocated to Dubai, Singapore and other places, because of that.

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