"Army-2022" International Military-Technical Forum

Guns on ships in this day and age are a bad joke and a waste of space

Larger calibre naval guns have stagnated a bit, but their development potential is significant, and if they can share development funding with the Army to boost the usefulness of new guns and new ammo types then it makes sense to look into much longer ranged guided rounds that could replace short to medium ranged missiles.

Against active manouvering targets then obviously missiles make sense, but by volume artillery shells can be carried in vastly greater numbers for a given space and are effective against fixed ground targets and also non manouvering air targets like Harpoon class anti ship missiles.

With modern capable radars targets can be detected at extended ranges and even features like nose mounted anti radiation sensors could be used to fire shells at great ranges against radar guided anti ship missiles...

Optical and IR guided missiles could be defeated more easily with lasers that blind them.

From a video ALAMO posted in the drone section. Now we know what comes out of this tubes. Look at the monitor in the background. You can see the launch.

Nice find.

Those super double big guns totally helped Moskva not get blown out of the water

Naval guns lack the range.

And how much investment has been put into currently in service Russian naval guns?

The Coalition is a joint Naval/Army gun and they are talking about standard rounds with 80km range with guided shells and extending the range to 180km for new HE shells.

That would be useful for a range of tasks.

Cruise missiles are capable of terminal maneuver. Naval guns won't be able to target them.

I think you mean anti ship missiles can manouver and do manouver to hit ships... but their active radar homing guidance could be exploited to make them vulnerable to anti radiation shells.

Those super double big guns totally helped Moskva not get blown out of the water

7 ton anti ship missiles wont put out a fire either, but having 16 big anti ship missiles wont protect the ship from 17 speed boats with goat fuckers on board...

On "Army-2022" for the first time showed the ship system of start and landing of UAVs

The design consists of a rail boom-guide with a system for gripping the wing of the device, mounted on two stabilized telescopic rotary rods that ensure its rotation in various planes
PATRIOT PARK / Moscow region/, August 21. /tass/. During the Army-2022 forum, the Black Sea Higher Naval School named after P. S. Nakhimov demonstrated for the first time a unique ship-based system of its own design for launching and landing unmanned aerial vehicles. The model is on display at the stand of the main command of the Russian Navy, a TASS correspondent reported on Sunday.

As stated in the patent, also presented at the exhibition, the device is designed to work with short-and medium-range aircraft-type drones. The design consists of a rail boom-guide with a system for gripping the wing of the device, mounted on two stabilized telescopic rotary rods that ensure its rotation in different planes.

The device can be installed on the runway of any ship that is a carrier of deck-based helicopters. During the landing of the aircraft, the boom with a grip is taken out of the deck and, being installed at the desired angle, "catches" it right in the air. To launch the drone, the boom is directed either towards the open sea, or parallel to the longitudinal axis of the ship, preventing the device from colliding with the superstructure elements.

According to the information about the invention presented in the presentation video, due to stabilization, the boom is able to maintain a fixed direction and position in space at a roll angle of -10 to 10 degrees and a wave amplitude of 2 to 6 m. The angle of rotation of the boom guide in the horizontal plane is 250 degrees, the maximum distance between the holders of the wing capture system is 240 cm.

The Black Sea Higher Naval School named after P. S. Nakhimov is one of the largest military educational and scientific centers of the Russian Navy. It trains officers, petty officers, as well as scientific and pedagogical personnel in adjunct programs. The research complex of the school consists of four laboratories that closely interact with the departments of the university, other specialized educational institutions and research organizations of the defense industry.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15524491

A toy shop if you are a defense minister of a country with positive cash flow

Krepost wrote:Don't get too excited about the KOKTEBEL. It is just a concept:

Too late!

Shoigu looking at stuff.

Nice photo... from left... belted 7.62x54mmR ammo for PKT coaxial machine guns, then a box of 57mm HE grenade rounds, and then Kornet facing away from us...

Nice.

The missile/s clearly breached the hull of the Moskva. Presence of those two guns didn't help.

No missile hit the Moskva, otherwise there would be blast damage to the upper hull you could not hide by taking a photo from the other side of the ship... the photos reveal fire damage, which indicates an accident or miss fire of perhaps a Fort missile.

If Neptune or Harpoon had hit, let alone two there would be a gaping hole in the side of the ship with superstructure damaged and missing... like this:

Yes they are.
Only baby Kornet is missing on this photo

Don't get too excited about the KOKTEBEL. It is just a concept:

The sharply pointed nose of the ship suggests it was designed by a designer rather than a ship building.

Having a straight edge flat front would not harm the vessel in any way aerodynamically speaking and would make the runways all the same length but also it means if you over run the runway because you are a bit overweight your outer wheel wont drop off the deck first and induce a roll if you are still gaining speed when you hit the end of the deck... ideally when you reach the end of the deck you should already be airborne but if you are a bit over weight you want to be pulling back on the stick to raise your nose to gain more aerodynamic lift from you wings and fuselage surface with your engines at full power trying to gain speed.

With the pointy nose if you are taking off on one side or the other one wheel loses the support of the deck before the other so you would have to compensate for that by rolling the other way which is not adding more lift... it is adding more drag at a time when you need as much lift as possible.

The square nose doesn't even need to be rounded, it can be flat and box like as some Chinese carriers have shown... looks a bit odd but operationally it is just fine.

Btw I think those are the epoch turret 57mm low pressure HE shells.

Yes, I call them grenade launcher shells...  each gun in the Russian and Soviet military has a code, in fact most have more than one, so the 30mm cannon on the BMP-2 and Havoc and Hokum attack helicopters is the 2A42, while the 30mm cannon on the BMP-3 is the 2A72, and the 23mm cannon on the Shilka and the ZU-23-2 towed 23mm cannon are the 2A14 and 2A7 cannon, while the gun for the Tunguska and later model Pantsir is the 2A38M, while the early model Pantsir had the 2A72 single barrel cannon.

The new 57mm gun I call a grenade launcher is the 9A94, while the 57mm gun based in the high velocity 57mm AA gun from the ZSU-57-2 and the towed S-60 gun is the 9A91.
I wonder if that suggests a new generation of gun types with the 9A series... would be interesting to see a new 30mm design, and the fact that it includes a grenade launcher, perhaps it might include the new Baikal 40mm grenade launcher too...

The 57mm grenade launcher can also fire APFSDS rounds as shown at this event and posted already:



Moved my other post to a more suitable thread for discussing carrier designs...