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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:01 am

    Krepost wrote:SURROGATE-W

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    It's supposed to be Surrogate-V, but otherwise great graphics. Smile
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    Post  Mir Fri Aug 19, 2022 8:08 am

    Krepost wrote:
    Project 21632 (A smaller Buyan)

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    Seems to be an upgraded Scorpion design. Hope this one has a better future Smile

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Aug 19, 2022 10:50 am

    The smallest displacement project where they put Calibrs was some 450t or something.
    That shit is getting scary Laughing

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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:58 am

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    Models of future versions

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:44 pm

    Krepost wrote:Project 21635 SARSAR (a larger Buyan-M)

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f20/20/39/08/89/18-10910.png

    This is smart, just add some better AA system



    Krepost wrote:Project 21632 (A smaller Buyan)

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    This is retarded, they already have far superior Bykov-class which does all this only better

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:54 am

    I see the Varan carrier is making a re-appearance - this time with some more deck furniture including the Orion and Sirius UAV's >>

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    She also tagged her little sister along >>

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    Post  George1 Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:28 pm

    Modernized boat "Raptor 2.0"

    From patrol boat to multifunctional attack boat” published a material about the project of a modernized version of the boat 03160 (code “Raptor”), presented by JSC “Leningrad Shipbuilding Plant “Pella” at the ongoing International Military-Technical Forum “Army-2022”, which received the designation “Raptor 2.0”. As an example of technical solutions for the Raptor 2.0 project, the already well-known modernized boat P-437 of project 03160 with building number 713 (built in 2018) was exhibited at the Army-2022 forum .

    The updated boat "Raptor 2.0" has become one of the novelties of the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2022". The Sudostroenie.info portal tells what has changed in the boat based on operating experience in real combat conditions.

    The production of project 03160 patrol boats of the Raptor type began at the Pella Leningrad shipbuilding plant according to its own project eight years ago. Since then, almost two dozen boats have been transferred to the Navy. Raptors were built to carry out patrol duty, deliver and disembark groups of marines, intercept and detain small targets, and participate in search and rescue operations. According to the builder, the boats performed well in operation, including

    However, the new operating conditions of the boats that developed in 2022 led the developers to make changes to the design, strengthen the protection and combat power of the boat. In addition, there was a need to replace some equipment. The updated "Raptor 2.0" became the central element of the open exposition of the Navy cluster at the "Army" forum.

    If earlier project 03160 was positioned as a patrol boat, now it is a multifunctional attack boat. We can say, "armored personnel carrier on the water."

    Compared to its predecessor, the Raptor 2.0 has increased displacement (from 28 tons to 30 tons), as well as length (from 16.9 m to 20 m). At the same time, the Pella designers retained a high maximum speed (from 50 knots it slightly decreased to 48 knots). The main power plant will now use two Russian [apparently Chinese] CHD engines with a total capacity of 1678 kW. The updated Raptor will also be propelled by Russian VD370 water cannons.

    To increase the combat capabilities of the boat, the designers propose to equip the Raptor 2.0 with a more powerful weapon system. It will include: a shipborne remote-controlled module, two guided missile launchers, a laser radiation detection system and passive jamming.

    It is also proposed to use an active protection complex with protective shots, a smoke screen setting system, an optical-electronic surveillance and aiming module, a central computer system and an operator's workstation.

    The computer system allows target distribution of detected targets between the machine gun module and the guided missile module, control of the optical system, guidance of guided missile installations, information exchange between the elements of the complex.

    The main strike armament of the Raptor 2.0 will be guided missiles with a semi-active laser homing head with a range of up to 8 km. Such missiles are designed for use from unmanned aerial vehicles and are at the stage of preliminary tests. The guided missile launcher is a gyro-stabilized rotary device that allows launching on a rocking base.

    The system for detecting laser radiation and setting passive interference is designed to protect against melee weapons with optoelectronic sights and guidance systems operating in the infrared range.

    The Pella designers developed the Raptor 2.0 project, taking into account the full localization of production. The main elements of the weapons complex are made on the basis of technical solutions and samples for other branches of the military. The construction of new "Raptors" in the quantity required for the customer is proposed to be carried out at the facilities of JSC "Pella".

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:46 pm

    This boat in its original config has a very interesting feature that I can't remember from the other crafts.
    It can slow down at an extreme ratio, creating a huge wave, a wall of water in front.
    This can be used as additional coverage against missiles, let it be guided and non-guided ones. Any RPG/NLAW/CG or ATGM will detonate hitting/sensoring the wave.
    If you can find a Combat Approval episode with it, they have shown that in practice. Very picterous !
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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:16 pm

    ALAMO wrote:This boat in its original config has a very interesting feature that I can't remember from the other crafts.
    It can slow down at an extreme ratio, creating a huge wave, a wall of water in front.
    This can be used as additional coverage against missiles, let it be guided and non-guided ones. Any RPG/NLAW/CG or ATGM will detonate hitting/sensoring the wave.
    If you can find a Combat Approval episode with it, they have shown that in practice. Very picterous !

    You may - or may not - be confusing it with this boat?

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    Whether you did or not - to complicate matters even more >>> Smile

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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:16 pm

    Mir wrote:I see the Varan carrier is making a re-appearance - this time with some more deck furniture including the Orion and Sirius UAV's >>

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    She also tagged her little sister along >>

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    The smaller one is a amphibious assault ship. Look at the parking area for vehicles.

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:50 pm

    Hole wrote:
    The smaller one is a amphibious assault ship. Look at the parking area for vehicles.

    Yes they did mention previously that the Varan will be developed into several versions - like the amphibious ship.

    (So you noticed the stealthy hull - you can see right through it! Laughing)
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    Post  Broski Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:32 pm

    The Varan seems pointless to me, Russia already has the 40k tonne Ivan Rogov so why not build a full sized carrier instead?
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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:53 pm

    Broski wrote:The Varan seems pointless to me, Russia already has the 40k tonne Ivan Rogov so why not build a full sized carrier instead?
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    Man I do hope this carrier (Lamantin) will make it into Russian Navy service!

    The Varan is a cheaper alternative to a nuclear powered carrier like the Lamantin - so who knows, it might have a place in the future?
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:04 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Krepost wrote:Project 21635 SARSAR (a larger Buyan-M)

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f20/20/39/08/89/18-10910.png

    This is smart, just add some better AA system


    Indeed. A larger Buyan-M ship with more missiles and a better AA onboard would probably speed things up and get a solid ship for general use (protection and longer range patrol).
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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:13 pm

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    There is already an enlarged version of Karakurt with more silos for cruise/hypersonic missiles and additional silos for SAM´s.
    The enlarged version of Buyan-M is propably an attempt to keep the shipyard that produces the current smaller version in the game and smooth the transition process
    between the versions.

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    Post  Hole Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:20 pm

    Mir wrote:Man I do hope this carrier (Lamantin) will make it into Russian Navy service!

    The Varan is a cheaper alternative to a nuclear powered carrier like the Lamantin - so who knows, it might have a place in the future?

    I´m always for a russian carrier as long as it carries a lot of cruise and hypersonic missiles + SAM, ABM and maybe ASAT systems.  Very Happy

    The main point of the Varan is that it uses the same systems and machinery in different hull forms for different purposes.

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    Post  Mir Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:30 pm

    Hole wrote:I´m always for a russian carrier as long as it carries a lot of cruise and hypersonic missiles + SAM, ABM and maybe ASAT systems.  Very Happy

    Couldn't agree more! Very Happy

    Hole wrote:The main point of the Varan is that it uses the same systems and machinery in different hull forms for different purposes.

    I would like to see a more ASW orientated version as well (with lot of cruise and hypersonic missiles + SAM, ABM and maybe ASAT systems.  Very Happy)
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:17 am

    Mir wrote:
    Broski wrote:The Varan seems pointless to me, Russia already has the 40k tonne Ivan Rogov so why not build a full sized carrier instead?...

    Man I do hope this carrier (Lamantin) will make it into Russian Navy service!

    Lamantin was obsolete since before people who assembled scale model were hired


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Aug 21, 2022 6:21 am

    Hole wrote:"Army-2022" International Military-Technical Forum - Page 3 000929
    There is already an enlarged version of Karakurt with more silos for cruise/hypersonic missiles and additional silos for SAM´s.
    The enlarged version of Buyan-M is propably an attempt to keep the shipyard that produces the current smaller version in the game and smooth the transition process
    between the versions.

    Correct, almost forgot about this

    This thing actually has AA system, just needs more of it

    That Buyan update is completely redundant next to this one, it's butt naked


    They still wasted entire front section on useless gun even here, it should house additional AA cells

    AK-630 is more than enough as a gun and it can actually be used to help deal with missiles


    Guns on ships in this day and age are a bad joke and a waste of space



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    Post  Mir Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:07 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Broski wrote:The Varan seems pointless to me, Russia already has the 40k tonne Ivan Rogov so why not build a full sized carrier instead?...

    Man I do hope this carrier (Lamantin) will make it into Russian Navy service!

    Lamantin was obsolete since before people who assembled scale model were hired



    Very true in terms of the air wing on display. The Lamantin design is an updated Ulyanovsk. The aircraft displayed on the Lamantin model is basically what was proposed for the Ulyanovsk as well, but I think it would be obvious that any new Russian aircraft carrier would see the navalized version of the Su-57 and perhaps the Su-75 as well. Both the Su-33 and Mig-29K would be history by then. Same would be true for the non-realized Yak-44 and the Ka-27's. UAV's would also become common on any new Russian carrier. Even if they want to build the Varan I would be very surprised to see Mig-29K's on board.
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:47 am

    Mir wrote:
    You may - or may not - be confusing it with this boat?


    Nay, the whole episode was about Raptor Very Happy

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    Post  Mir Sun Aug 21, 2022 11:08 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    You may - or may not - be confusing it with this boat?


    Nay, the whole episode was about Raptor Very Happy

    Yes I was confusing it with the one on the episode on the Pr.02800. Anyway it is quite interesting that two different companies developed virtually the same boat. The one in the front is the Pr.02510 BK16 and the presidential one in white is a Pr.03160 Raptor. >>

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