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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:25 am

    Moskva is a capital ship, on paper should have coped with the task

    But even if first rank commanders knew the deficiency, they should have given Moskva help

    How can you send such a ship by itself to that area?

    It's dangerous water, AsHm and mines are there

    So why sail a ship of first rank there? Or without assistance of a picket , or aerial support?

    The problem is, even elementary non military people would know such a basic concept / idea

    If the area was so important to patrol, what difference does it make now that the ship is gone?

    The premise is, why the **** do you send a ship to do a job, which if it fails will not be replaced ?

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:27 am

    flamming_python wrote:The Jordan-bound weapons from Kazakhstan can be interdicted on the Caspian Sea

    This clown-show should not be accepted, time to stamp the foot down.

    At the end of the day Kazakhstan is a manageable problem. There's no need for any military operation or whatever. It's enough to cut all communications over the Caspian and there go all these budding links of Kazakhstan to the Anglo-Saxons.
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    How do you plan to stop them on Caspian sea with present Kremlin policies? If policies were different that wouldn't be happening in the first place.
    Also, be sure that both Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are encouraged by Turkey, as Turkish influence is very strong in both countries. It's not only about Anglo-Saxons.
    Russia didn't have any political strategy during the '90s in regards to Kazakhstan and Putin and his administration didn't do much better. Russian population was continuously leaving the country and slowly Kazakhstan was working on assimilation of Russian populated north Kazakhstan. Big reason why Astana was built and set as a new capital.
    What is surprising, at least for me, is Kazakhstans reaction since start of the war, after they saved Tokayev's ass earlier this year. It tells you how much political elite in the country takes Russia for granted.
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    Post  billybatts91 Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:05 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:sorry if i double post something.
    i missed waaay too much post so i skimmed trough them fast.


    RF kamikaze drone hits Ukrainian army checkpoint


    RF Krasnopol shell takes out Ukrainian tank





    Destruction of the American howitzer M777.


    RF and allies are battling for Soledar, DPR


    RF kamikaze drone chases down Ukrainian M109A3

    Great videos, keep them coming. Love your channel.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:34 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:

    Meh, Moskva was solely the fuckup of Russian Navy, nothing more

    Surprisingly enough it faded from memory very quickly, I guess killing fuckloads of enemies since then will have that effect  


    Moskva- was a lack of oversight

    What happened there is a combination of factors

    But above all, if Moskva had orders to patrol that close to shore, other tools should have been assisting Moskva with that job

    For example, and AWACS would have great improved the survival of Moskva in that scenario

    Identifying low flying missiles would be done by the AWACS and relayed to the air defense on board

    Then you also need other tools such as su35 and su30 patrolling, Rotating constantly as long as Moskva is performing its mission

    What if project 23900 Ivan Rogov or Mitrofan Moskalenko is present? How to protect such amphibious assault ships? An AWACS helicopter?

    Same for Moskva, as only 1 helo can deploy,  it would have been better to have an A50U up watching the area

    As well TU214R monitoring communications there

    IMHO it was a matter of complacency.  Moskva was a cruiser, and should have been perfectly capable of acting alone in a radar picket role.  She was however an old ship, had received no technical upgrades in her 40+ year lifetime, with overhaul limited to repairs. If she was ambushed by Ukropi AShMs (with or without clandestine NATOstani assistance) then its a black eye for Russian navy, but also a learning experience.  Never get complacent, always assume the worst is possible, never ascribe benign motives behind anything that NATO does or says.

    One lesson-learned might be for future RuN capital ships to come with a pair of UAV rotocraft equipped with deployable surveillance radar arrays. In high risk actions where support from other forces is lacking, the UAVs can take turns hovering above the ship and provide radar survellance over an extended horizon, ie early warning against sea skimmers trying to come in under the ships main surv radar coverage. Practical?

    Edit: Of course this assumes that she was taken out by AShMs rather than an "accident" onboard Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Backman Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:46 am

    zorobabel wrote:I don't think threats about attacks on 'decision making centers' are taken seriously anymore.

    Next target will probably be Sevastopol or, if they can reach it, the Crimea Bridge.

    There's a list of provocations against Russia in Syria too. The su 24 shoot down , swarm drone attack on base and a few others.

    I think as long as Russia is accomplishing it's objectives, it will just absorb these cheap shots. It has answered some of them with big missle attacks.

    There is truly nothing redeeming about this regime. If I was Putin I'd snuff it out and see what replaces it.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 10, 2022 5:58 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:

    IMHO it was a matter of complacency.  Moskva was a cruiser, and should have been perfectly capable of acting alone in a radar picket role.  She was however an old ship, had received no technical upgrades in her 40+ year lifetime, with overhaul limited to repairs. If she was ambushed by Ukropi AShMs (with or without clandestine NATOstani assistance) then its a black eye for Russian navy, but also a learning experience.  Never get complacent, always assume the worst is possible, never ascribe benign motives behind anything that NATO does or says.

    One lesson-learned might be for future RuN capital ships to come with a pair of UAV rotocraft equipped with deployable surveillance radar arrays. In high risk actions where support from other forces is lacking, the UAVs can take turns hovering above the ship and provide radar survellance over an extended horizon, ie early warning against sea skimmers trying to come in under the ships main surv radar coverage. Practical?

    Edit: Of course this assumes that she was taken out by AShMs rather than an "accident" onboard Rolling Eyes  

    We both know it was no "accident"

    Same as explosions in Crimea destroying aircraft, ammunition, and other facilities

    It is no accident , but criminal negligence same as Moskva, same as Belgorod fuel depot, same as Antonovsky Bridge, same as Saki and Novofedorovka explosions

    And soon like Crimean Bridge "accident"

    What pisses me off most, is that all of this is announced in advance

    From Moskva to Crimean bridge

    And NOONE does a fucking thing

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:04 am

    Again I will announce, there are no "game changers"

    Drones, missiles, aircraft carriers, ICBM,  Stealth Submarines , hypersonic missiles, Stealth fighters, New PAK DA,

    Make no difference, if command is a bunch of imbeciles

    You can have the best technology, and lose strategic targets and equipment, due to negligence and complacency

    No amount of "game changers" can change any game for a fucking imbecile

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Aug 10, 2022 6:25 am

    Kazakhstan will keep doing what it's doing because it can. There is zero deterrent at play. Power is nothing if not properly used. There is a clear calculation on the part of the Kazakh elite here that's at play and they are becoming more emboldened with every move until something gives.

    Nothing like a good war to expose all the filth underneath the facade.

    As for red lines... lol1 The tales of Putin & Peskov!

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:52 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Kazakhstan will keep doing what it's doing because it can. There is zero deterrent at play. Power is nothing if not properly used. There is a clear calculation on the part of the Kazakh elite here that's at play and they are becoming more emboldened with every move until something gives.

    Nothing like a good war to expose all the filth underneath the facade.

    As for red lines... lol1 The tales of Putin & Peskov!

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    Russia's 'red lines' are in the same category as China's 'final warnings'.

    I remember very vivisly VVP saying, on Feb 24, that any foreign power meddling with the 'SMO' would pay a very heavy price.

    That was 10 'red lines' ago.

    The red lines mean nothing and everybody knows it.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:35 am


    Broski wrote " Kazakh oligarchs, like most post-soviet oligarchs are stupid, greedy people that somehow think the West won't do the Kazakhstan what they've done to every country that's not a US/EU vassal already. Russia should extend the special military operation to Almaty once they're done with country 404. " well we had the same problem with the yanks in the ME region . You can eliminate all the minions of Satan , but there will always be Satan itself . It will find new recruits , yesterday ISIS and today SS . Purely defensive tactics become increasingly expensive and impractical . There is no SAM panacea against all threats . There are blind spots and low resolution and Radar can get distracted by false target or be electronically spoofed . I think objectives can be reached , in near future , with addition of more ground troops . But American assisted missile strikes may continue and become significant . At some point the big bully , needs to be hit . The chief hood will then loose it's many minions .
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    Post  RTN Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:18 am

    Russian Air Force bases are protected by S-400, Pantsir, Tor and even BUK. Despite that Ukraine was able to strike the air base in Crimea.

    The presence of anti radiation missile with Ukraine means that Russian air defenses could not be switched on. So Ukraine has successfully carried out the first part of SEAD that is suppression.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:43 am

    RTN wrote:Russian Air Force bases are protected by S-400, Pantsir, Tor and even BUK. Despite that Ukraine was able to strike the air base in Crimea.

    The presence of anti radiation missile with Ukraine means that Russian air defenses could not be switched on. So Ukraine has successfully carried out the first part of SEAD that is suppression.

    Bullshit.

    Witnesses have reported no sight or sound of incoming missiles.

    This looks like a case of sabotage by either SBU infilitrators or locals sympathetic to the Kiev regime (or combo of both).

    Ruskie AMD and shoraads are more than good enough to smack junk like HARM outta the sky if it dares show its skanky radome anywhere near protected airspace. Ukro rats have zero chance of inflicting any serious suppression on Russian defenses, and Ruskies certainly won't turn their systems off in fear of Murcan wundewaffe garbage. Razz

    I have you on ignore for good reason. Why, oh why, do I succumb to the temptation to just take a peek at your posts?  I should know better...  clown

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:43 am

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:07 am

    RTN wrote:Russian Air Force bases are protected by S-400, Pantsir, Tor and even BUK. Despite that Ukraine was able to strike the air base in Crimea.

    The presence of anti radiation missile with Ukraine means that Russian air defenses could not be switched on. So Ukraine has successfully carried out the first part of SEAD that is suppression.

    It was sabotage on the ground, not a missile/air strike

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:09 am

    owais.usmani wrote:

    The Estonian President (or Prime Minister, forget) is already calling for Russian tourists to be denied entrance to Europe

    Good. I wholeheartedly support this initiative. More internal tourism, and even less illusions that some people may continue to entertain.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:11 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:The Jordan-bound weapons from Kazakhstan can be interdicted on the Caspian Sea

    This clown-show should not be accepted, time to stamp the foot down.

    At the end of the day Kazakhstan is a manageable problem. There's no need for any military operation or whatever. It's enough to cut all communications over the Caspian and there go all these budding links of Kazakhstan to the Anglo-Saxons.
    .
    How do you plan to stop them on Caspian sea with present Kremlin policies? If policies were different that wouldn't be happening in the first place.
    Also, be sure that both Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan are encouraged by Turkey, as Turkish influence is very strong in both countries. It's not only about Anglo-Saxons.
    Russia didn't have any political strategy during the '90s in regards to Kazakhstan and Putin and his administration didn't do much better. Russian population was continuously leaving the country and slowly Kazakhstan was working on assimilation of Russian populated north Kazakhstan. Big reason why Astana was built and set as a new capital.
    What is surprising, at least for me, is Kazakhstans reaction since start of the war, after they saved Tokayev's ass earlier this year. It tells you how much political elite in the country takes Russia for granted.

    About Turkey and Azerbaijan

    With Turkey, Russia is in a proxy conflict in Syria. It's not a surprise they are providing arms (and presumably not for free) at the behest of Washington to the Ukraine
    With Azerbaijan, Russia has been backing Armenia also in a proxy conflict. Both sides get along fine officially as neither needs the problems of open antagonism but covertly yes it's not a surprise Azerbaijan has provided the Ukraine with weapons. Just the way it works.
    With Kazakhstan, Russia not only has not ever had, nor has now - any such conflicts whatsoever, but it is in fact a military ally of Russia in the CSTO. Russia even saved the leadership back in January.

    I am frankly incensed by this treachery. How could the Kazakh elite stoop so low and act so primitively and audaciously? And it's not in the interest of the common people of Kazakhstan or anything of the sort. Just a stupid, bold provocation by the ruling elite, with all their mansions in London - at the behest of their new Western friends, against their largest economic partner and military ally.
    Astana must be confronted and forced to explain itself then suffer the consequences

    Of course it's also possible that this invoice or document received by the Colonel Cassad blog is a fabrication of Ukrainian or other unfriendly intelligence agencies. It goes without saying that my views bank on the veracity of this information being confirmed.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:23 am

    Sadly, but this is an effect of the Ukrainian operation lasting so long, and without monumental things happening.
    Sure that is a part of a strategy to limit the casualties among allied troops and perform the operation with minor forces, but the backside effect is what we can see.
    In the first weeks of the operation, NATO was simply terrified. The progress the Russian army achieved was devastating. If Russian troops would have reached the western borders of Ukro in a month, nobody would even dare to breathe loud.
    That applies to the ex-USSR states either.
    I hope that Russian planners know better what&why they are doing.

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:26 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:

    The Estonian President (or Prime Minister, forget) is already calling for Russian tourists to be denied entrance to Europe

    Good. I wholeheartedly support this initiative. More internal tourism, and even less illusions that some people may continue to entertain.

    I mean, it kinda stops the Russian brain drain. Even the ones who left for Armenia/Georgia are now coming back.

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:34 am

    ALAMO wrote:Sadly, but this is an effect of the Ukrainian operation lasting so long, and without monumental things happening.
    Sure that is a part of a strategy to limit the casualties among allied troops and perform the operation with minor forces, but the backside effect is what we can see.
    In the first weeks of the operation, NATO was simply terrified. The progress the Russian army achieved was devastating. If Russian troops would have reached the western borders of Ukro in a month, nobody would even dare to breathe loud.
    That applies to the ex-USSR states either.
    I hope that Russian planners know better what&why they are doing.

    You'd think after seeing the Ukraine's male population steadily being fed into an endless meatgrinder, ex-Soviet states would catch the hint

    NATO was not terrified, it prepared for this conflict. And what it was preparing for was for the Russian military to seize most of the Ukraine, for the Ukrainian army to collapse, but then for a vicious partisan war and insurgency to erupt that would be fed by Western support and finances as in Afghanistan.
    The Ukrainian army's main objective would really be to hold out until sanctions and isolation can take its toll on Russia, ruin the economy and start to elicit protests. Said insurgency would finish Russia off.

    What happened was different but has the potential to conclude all fighting on Ukrainian territory much sooner - with the rate of casualties that the Ukrainian military is suffering every day and the sheer war exhaustion that is taking its toll there.
    Just as importantly, Russia's in no hurry about the operation because it can afford not to be - it's home front and economy has weathered the storm fine.

    In other words all NATO/US calculations failed. They pushed the Ukraine as a trap for Russia, but that trap is now in the process of being dismantled and Washington has little to show for it.

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:50 am

    ALAMO wrote:Sadly, but this is an effect of the Ukrainian operation lasting so long, and without monumental things happening.

    This is also the reason for the "discussion" here on the last pages.

    Some bombes going of at some military airfield. Wow. Must be sabotage. Because shit like this never happens at military bases where a lot of ammo is stored. Never ever.  Rolling Eyes

    Or the moaning about other things like the Belgorod attack or the bridge in Kherson region. The bridge is only important for the local population which doesn´t want to prolong their
    traveltime by one or two hours. Even then there are ferries. In Belogorod one or two oil tanks got hit at an civilian oil depot. How many are there in Russia? 5.000? 10.000? Not a single car had to wait its turn at the gas station because of that.

    And Moskva? It was months ago and the west and his Nazi minions didn´t provide a single shred of evidence that it was hit by something. Shit, they show pics of their own equipment being destroyed by Russia and claim it was russian equipment being destroyed by them. They hit something so important like a cruiser and not single pic from a drone or missile launch or some "leaked" sat pic from the second the ship was "hit" emerges? Proves that it was a internal matter, most likely a fire started by a short circuit. Which happens all the time on ships.

    The same shit was going on here a while ago when this 150 year old building in Mosow burned down. Next day a trashbin on some parking lot burned and half of the people here talked about "sabotage".

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:58 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    You'd think after seeing the Ukraine's male population steadily being fed into an endless meatgrinder, ex-Soviet states would catch the hint

    Well, that is a good lesson, but the learning process is slow. People will realize that only with time.

    flamming_python wrote:
    NATO was not terrified, it prepared for this conflict. And what it was preparing for was for the Russian military to seize most of the Ukraine, for the Ukrainian army to collapse, but then for a vicious partisan war and insurgency to erupt that would be fed by Western support and finances as in Afghanistan.

    Believe me, bro, they were as hell.
    Nobody in real believed that Russkie won't bluff.
    It is a chain reaction. Kazachstan operation was like a clap of thunder, and the beginning of the Ukrainian operation was like that either.
    Sure that they have trained and prepared the plans you talk about, but they really didn't believe that Putin will dare to unleash this war.

    flamming_python wrote:
    The Ukrainian army's main objective would really be to hold out until sanctions and isolation can take its toll on Russia, ruin the economy and start to elicit protests. Said insurgency would finish Russia off.

    Yup, plus the rapid advance was to put the Russian forces for constant pressure, artillery strikes from well prepared urban positions, and supply chain served on a silver plate for rapid raids and irregular warfare.

    flamming_python wrote:
    What happened was different but has the potential to conclude all fighting on Ukrainian territory much sooner - with the rate of casualties that the Ukrainian military is suffering every day and the sheer war exhaustion that is taking its toll there.
    Just as importantly, Russia's in no hurry about the operation because it can afford not to be - it's home front and economy has weathered the storm fine.

    I am aware of that all, and share the opinion - still it opened the other options.

    flamming_python wrote:
    In other words all NATO/US calculations failed. They pushed the Ukraine as a trap for Russia, but that trap is now in the process of being dismantled and Washington has little to show for it.
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    There is a good article in the August release of Marine Corps Gazette covering that, with rather sad, still predictable conclusions.
    The West was preparing a Ukrainian proxy army in a way, they wanted Russia to fight.
    And the way they wanted them to fight, was an effect of the propaganda campaigns and bullshit stories about Russian incompetence, human waves tactics, carelessness toward their own soldiers etc.
    Meanwhile, the modern Russian army represents the opposite. They are very elastic, able to adapt quickly, confident in their own resources, capable of changing the tactics ad hoc, and pragmatic.
    The conclusion of the article is, that a potential enemy is nowhere close to the picture of him painted, and in reality the potential struggle would have been much, much more dangerous than considered.
    What they faced, is the opposite. It is a rapid and brutal force applied at a chirurgical rate.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:50 pm

    Why are they needing to create such units though?

    They likely started the conflict expecting a potential enemy collapse and therefore they might only occupy Donbass and Lugansk territory, but now they might end up taking the entire Black Sea coast and more territory in the interior of the country and having volunteers even just as a structure or backbone around which local Ukrainians not happy with Kiev can work together to rebuild and create new states as they please.

    If Russia only deployed 80k as stated here, that leaves 100ks of regular forces to rotate with, whom are much better equipped to fight in a real war due to do their years of training etc. Is it not risky sending in barely trained units or what am I missing here folks?

    Think of the war in Afghanistan... the west didn't need enormous numbers of troops... just a relatively small contingent of special forces and advisors to operate with local forces to call in artillery or air strikes when the enemy formed up to fight, or manage the attack using local forces for the basis of the operation.

    Those idiot Russians, allowing Ukro Nazis to shoot and not incinerating them all already.

    Ukraine is not a person... you can't just cut off its legs and arms in one blow and expect it to not be able to respond.

    Exactly. This MP seems like a clown. This was his minute of fame.
    How low can politicians go

    And in the west it is generals and politicians that say stupid things and nobody stops them because they want to see the reaction it gets before they decide how to react... look at calls for Putin to be murdered or Assange to be killed etc etc.

    Everyone is a badass warrior tough guy until they need to actually put their own ass on the chopping block

    Once that happens they all discover their inner hippie

    To be fair it is one thing to stand up to a home invader or single bully, but it is something else when an entire country is destroying your country...

    Hard to say what you would do unless you had experienced it yourself... everyone thinks they would be brave, but fear can be powerful and make you do strange things or cling to very weak reasons to run away...

    Thanks for sharing. It must be two accidents at the same time. Or two saboteurs.

    Might have been captured ammo being stored in two separate locations with timed fused rounds hidden within them that explode at the same time...

    Would explain why no casualties... and simultaneous explosions... if they were staggered explosions they might just destroy captured ammo which would make the sabotage ineffective.

    They actually look like the kind of bombs they use at airshows for pyrotechnics

    Which are normally just petrol bombs with something small to ignite them...

    I don't believe it was accident as area of explosions was too far apart. At the end of the day, someone in BSF command chain needs to be kicked out, as this is not the first **** up they did.

    No investigation.... just fire some people... wow... how dumb are you?

    Well I certainly don't consider the Crimea as part of the Ukraine, but if we're to entertain the notion for a minute

    Dforce is correct in the sense that they consider Donbass and Lugansk and Crimea to be their territory... which is contradicted by the way the shell and bomb the first two areas over the last almost decade.

    Surprisingly enough it faded from memory very quickly, I guess killing fuckloads of enemies since then will have that effect

    The best solution moving forward....

    Really dumb to not have some hangars to cover your aircraft. Russians are dumb on that point.

    Hangars would have redirected the blast waves and ended up with the same result if it was an accident.

    Moskva- was a lack of oversight

    If the Moskva was a successful antiship missile attack using either neptune or harpoon or both why on earth have they not followed it up with attacks on other ships and fixed ground structures for which anti ship missiles are rather good at engaging.

    Unless it wasnt a missile attack and it was Kiev capitalising on an accident or mistake... faulty Rif launch or it hit a mine...

    The premise is, why the **** do you send a ship to do a job, which if it fails will not be replaced ?

    The real question is how much money did they save by not upgrading a ship they were going to operate.

    I understand normally the Black Sea is a backwater, but even still the money they saved not giving it upgrades and improvements will be spent on dealing with the wreckage and lost sailors.

    I understand them not scrapping it, but there is no excuse for not upgrading its air defences and basic systems... at the very least to make it a more useful platform for a range of tasks.

    Great videos, keep them coming. Love your channel.

    I agree, but not a good reason to repost all the videos he posted... just click the like button on his original post in future please.

    If she was ambushed by Ukropi AShMs (with or without clandestine NATOstani assistance) then its a black eye for Russian navy, but also a learning experience. Never get complacent, always assume the worst is possible, never ascribe benign motives behind anything that NATO does or says.

    If their AShMs worked they would hardly stop using them... why no attacks since?

    I think a failed Rif launch is a more likely source of fire and fire on any ship is always a serious problem...

    There's a list of provocations against Russia in Syria too. The su 24 shoot down , swarm drone attack on base and a few others.

    They could have surrendered quietly and avoided all this bloodshed, instead they tried to get the whole world to fight Russia and these pinprick attacks are just further evidence of their malice and evil intent which is why the Ukraine that were knew is likely not going to exist much longer moving forward and the current regime cannot be left in power either.... they are sealing their own doom.

    Each cowardly attack means their peace options get smaller and less appealing to them, but that is the price for making Russia fight.

    We both know it was no "accident"

    How can we know?

    An attempted Rif launch where the missiles main rocket motor fails to ignite and the missile after being catapulted into the air falls back down on the deck and splits open and the solid rocket fuel bursts into flames... S-300 missiles have 150kgs of HE as a warhead and weight about 1.8 tons much of which is solid rocket fuel... would that start a big enough fire to risk a ship in a storm?

    I would say that would explain what happened perfectly... the safety fuses on the warhead should prevent a 150kg explosion but the HE would burn along with the solid rocket fuel.

    No amount of "game changers" can change any game for a fucking imbecile

    All the so called game changers are coming from western propaganda... meanwhile MSTA and Malka and Pion and Tuplip and Grad and Uragan and Smerch and Iskander and Su-25 and Su-34 and Su-35 etc etc etc get their work done over and over and over.

    Kazakhstan will keep doing what it's doing because it can. There is zero deterrent at play. Power is nothing if not properly used. There is a clear calculation on the part of the Kazakh elite here that's at play and they are becoming more emboldened with every move until something gives.

    You can say that but that does not make it true... I am sure Russia and Putin wont forget them selling weapons and ammo to the British to supply to Kiev.

    That was 10 'red lines' ago.

    The red lines mean nothing and everybody knows it.

    Winter is coming... so many are so impatient and want immediate results... the instant gratification generation...

    Russian Air Force bases are protected by S-400, Pantsir, Tor and even BUK. Despite that Ukraine was able to strike the air base in Crimea.

    You make two claims in those two sentences... can you prove the second, because if you can't then your point is meaningless.

    Besides... Kiev attacking a military target... that would be a change.

    The presence of anti radiation missile with Ukraine means that Russian air defenses could not be switched on

    The existence of an ancient ineffective anti radiation missile that could be shot down by TOR or Pantsir or BUK or S-400 or S-300... whose effective launch range from 15km up in the air is about 150km which means it would be shot down as would the aircraft that tried to launch it.

    Russian air defences around an air base can run 24/7 because their general location is going to be well known anyway... or do you think if they turn off their radar the enemy might think there is no air defence there?

    So Ukraine has successfully carried out the first part of SEAD that is suppression.

    Ukraine has done nothing except again claimed credit for what was probably an accident.

    Ban Russians in the rest of the world... Erdogan just went to Sochi to sign agreements with Russia to increase trade and tourism to get Russians to holiday in Turkey... Turkey is not part of the EU but it is part of HATO... if a HATO country wont ban Russians how could they possibly get the rest of the world to do the same?

    Ridiculous delusion.

    It was sabotage on the ground, not a missile/air strike

    We don't know what it was... it might have been a faulty fuse for ordinance or it could have been an accident and fire while fuelling up Kh-22M missiles...

    With Kazakhstan, Russia not only has not ever had, nor has now - any such conflicts whatsoever, but it is in fact a military ally of Russia in the CSTO. Russia even saved the leadership back in January.

    I am frankly incensed by this treachery. How could the Kazakh elite stoop so low and act so primitively and audaciously? And it's not in the interest of the common people of Kazakhstan or anything of the sort. Just a stupid, bold provocation by the ruling elite, with all their mansions in London - at the behest of their new Western friends, against their largest economic partner and military ally.

    Do we know it is government sanctions sales or the acts of a few dishonest individuals just trying to make some easy money...

    If Russian troops would have reached the western borders of Ukro in a month, nobody would even dare to breathe loud.
    That applies to the ex-USSR states either.
    I hope that Russian planners know better what&why they are doing.

    They could only reach those borders by bypassing all the cities and major population centres and then they would be terribly vulnerable to flank and rear attacks on their supply columns and support units... where would the artillery be based where it could be protected... attacks could come from any direction... and for what... they probably don't want most of the land or the people on those parts of the land.

    They wanted a meat grinder and that is what they have been running 24/7.


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    Post  Singular_Transform Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:59 pm

    This Kazakh wapons sale is most likelly the work of a single official , to collect same retirement fund.

    C'mon, state owned bank boss stelaing few billion
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-k-court-freezes-up-to-5-billion-tied-to-alleged-kazakhstan-bank-theft-11606817488

    Financem inister stealing few millions
    https://www.occrp.org/en/daily/6065-kazakhstan-former-economic-minister-accused-of-embezzling-millions-out-of-construction-project

    Making illegal transaction by a goverment worker to earn few millions is not a new development, it is part of the political culture in Kazahstan .

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    Post  flamming_python Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:20 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    They wanted a meat grinder and that is what they have been running 24/7.

    No-one wanted a meat-grinder

    Russia wanted the Ukrainians to vacate the Donbass and give up claims on the Crimea.. failing that, to surrender or even better switch sides
    Ukraine wanted America/Europe to finally strangle Russia with sanctions and no-fly zones as they've been led to believe the West had the power to all along just not the justification for.. until now

    But the Anglo-appointed President of Ukraine has certainly been very willing to organize a meat-grinder in the hopes of even the slightest chance of some sort of 'psychological' victory or to buy a little more time for those sanctions to collapse Russia.
    In fact he grabbed every opportunity to orchestrate a meat-grinder even when the chances of success were vanishingly minute, and against the advice of his own military staff
    A meat-grinder in Avdeevka, Severodonetsk, Volnovakha, Popasnaya, Peski and a host of other small settlements defended to the last man contrary to strategic sense in locations where the Ukrainian army was not in any way welcome by the locals in the first place.
    A meat-grinder in Mariupol sending out helicopter after helicopter to evacuate precious NATO officer VIPs in desperate actions that got dozens of Ukrainian crewmen and pilots killed, not to mention not allowing the Azovites to surrender even long after break-out for them had become impossible - German 6th Army style. They were even awarded Hero of Ukraine medals in the hopes that they would die as martyrs instead.
    A meat-grinder on Snake Island to take back a tiny dot of land whose significance to the war had already faded but that was somehow important enough morally that many tens of Ukrainian SF and pilots were killed in ridiculous attempts at landing there. In the end the Russians just gave up the island themselves anyway.
    A meat-grinder in the Kherson region constantly sending out unsupported infantry to get decimated just to maintain the illusion of a grand upcoming offensive that will kick the Russians out.. when the last hopes for such an operation disappeared, it was explained away as a psychological op all along.
    When the Azovites held in Yelenovka had become a little too conversational with their Russian captors, a meat-grinder was set-up for them and they were incinerated right in their own holding cells
    In Kramatorsk, a meat-grinder was prepared instead for the civilian population. They were told one day to assemble at the railway station for evacuation. The next day when they assembled, they were hit with a Tochka missile. It's something quite literally out of Nazi Germany's playbook; what's the difference between assembling civilians under a false pretense for deportation to a death-camp, or assembling them under a false pretense to be hit with by a cluster bomb warhead? Yet this meat-grinder was carried out in the hopes of being able to blame it on Russia; which they managed to fail at too.


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