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    Post  ALAMO Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:04 pm

    Can you go and be stupid somewhere else?
    That starts to be annoying.

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:10 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    If you knew anything about mobility you'd know power to weight ratio affects speed and acceleration, you'd know turning radius is a thing, you'd know WEIGHT plays a large factor in terrian mobility.

    The fact you only mentioned the amount of wheels is frankly funny, Why should I take this comment seriously now?

    You say I know nothing about military matters but leave out the dozens of factors that affect mobility? RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.

    Its true if the Smerch and Himars weighed the same had the same dimensions, engine power etc then sure their mobility would be similar if not matched or one slightly ending out the offer.

    But they don't weigh the same, they do not have the same dimensions and each carries different weight.

    But let me help you with an example, you ever drive an Abrams near Swampy ground? probs not if so you'd know Abrams is so heavy it will sink in areas like that, where has russians tanks tend to be lighter to avoid issues like this due to the terrian they expect to operate in.

    Point is you comment was hilariously misguided

    Now Seig try and be a bit original. I was the one who started the mobility conversation with "If you knew anything about mobility" Laughing

    Anyway we can talk forever about mobility, but that's not the point. The point is you made a ludicrous statements with things like "Hyper precise" and "far superior mobility" which is absolute BS to begin with. Your little rant above is no different - you are still clueless.

    Btw - the German tanks like the Pantzer III's and IV's were lighter than the T-34's but they drowned in the swamps, whilst the T-34's did not. Why was that? Very simple the T-34's had wider tracks.

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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:10 pm

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    Mir wrote:
    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    During the Malvinas War, Argentina had 5 AM-39 Exocet.
    In addition, he managed to make an adaptation to fire an MM-38 from land, modifying a launcher from a ship.
    It was used from the same Malvinas Islands.

    Geese I knew they only had a couple BUT ONLY 5! Shocked
    Thanks for the additional info.

    The French stopped the delivery of the rest of the planes and missiles at the beginning of the war, at the request of the United Kingdom.

    This how the west wins, by cheating.

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    Post  Hole Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:19 pm

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    Like the "good" Nazis that they are they copy anything from the 3rd Reich, including sending anyone that can hold a weapon to the front.
    Let´s hope the inner circle of the regime follows the example of their role models.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:42 pm

    Latest US package, no more HIMARS just missiles. Whilst they expect those 120mm mortars to be busy  Shocked

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    Then there is the next bundle of cash

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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:46 pm

    Listen to Mercouris' latest analysis and the great Kherson counter offensive is clearly a propaganda ploy to divert attention from
    the failure of Kiev regime forces in Donetsk in the face of the Russian campaign. Now we have the ludicrous claim that Russia's
    successes on the front are because the Kiev regime made the "mistake" of diverting artillery units for the great Kherson counter
    offensive.

    I am losing too many neurons exposing myself to this inanity.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:24 pm

    SolidarityWithRussia wrote:I don't know whether the news are true that North Korea is offereing 100,000 soldiers to Russia, but it sounds interesting.


    In reference to this another article on this states that North Korea had already offered 1,000 construction workers for Donbass once is safe. And the offer of 100,000 volunteers are separate and it wasn't from a western source but originally from a Russian source which was reported by south china morning post. The article states North Korean soldiers are well trained in counter battery fire. Fully article in link. Although I think it's unlikely to happen. Although the construction workers part is quite believable.

    "There are reports that 100,000 North Korean volunteers are prepared to come and take part in the conflict,” said Russian military pundit Igor Korotchenko on Channel One Russia"


    https://amp.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/3188052/north-korea-offers-russia-100000-volunteers-fight-ukraine-state

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:35 am

    I'd personally love 100,000 Norks to come in and give the Ukrs and all the assorted interventions a rollercoaster ride with the 'counter-battery fire'.

    I mean it's the sort of thing that provokes a big grin on one's face

    Sadly though, it's our battle and we really ought to take care of it ourselves. Frankly we wouldn't be a very serious country if we didn't.
    To North Korea if this offer has any truth to it (and I hope it does), we'll have to give the same answer as to Karimov's offer of sending the Uzbek army to Chechnya in the 90s to root out Islamism.
    However I'd certainly welcome North Korean pilots; plenty of Soviet-era gear still lying around in flyable condition with a little servicing; and I'd wager a deficit of pilots to fly it all.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:04 am

    I noticed many people in twitterland at least "enthusiastic" about Ukraine MiG-29 firing Harms... completely ignoring the difficulty and it's unrealistic to install foreign weaponry especially as complex as foreign Anti Radiation Missile into it.

    There are some example like Malaysia and Indian Sukhoi's but all of the alteration are made with cooperation from Sukhoi itself.

    Ground based system like Israeli ground based Shrike are easier to implement and more realistic.
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    Post  Isos Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:19 am

    Western media CBS made article said only 30% of the weapons west sends in Ukraine end up ob the front. Rest is sold on black market.

    Article was quickly removed.

    Now if a western media admits such thing then it should be close to the reality.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:48 am

    Isos wrote:Western media CBS made article said only 30% of the weapons west sends in Ukraine end up ob the front. Rest is sold on black market.

    Article was quickly removed.

    Now if a western media admits such thing then it should be close to the reality.

    Yeah, because all those secondary explosions after daily Russian strikes at the depots never came from divine Western weapons, never ever... they are more deranged than I thought, and that was already a lot Embarassed

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    Post  Werewolf Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:00 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:I noticed many people in twitterland at least "enthusiastic" about Ukraine MiG-29 firing Harms... completely ignoring the difficulty and it's unrealistic to install foreign weaponry especially as complex as foreign Anti Radiation Missile into it.  

    There are some example like Malaysia and Indian Sukhoi's but all of the alteration are made with cooperation from Sukhoi itself.

    Ground based system like Israeli ground based Shrike are easier to implement and more realistic.

    I suspect at this point it is just a propaganda piece trying to bait Russian response towards NATO in rhetoric or even in military action wise. It is probably aimed to use Russia's response, to keep nationalism growing in PONOS countries. Once nationalism is big enough only then they will be stupid enough trying to take on Russia. At this point they are still not eager enough to fight Russia until the last person, so Romania, Poland, Czech Rep. and whoever else is willing enough to get between NATO and Russia, needs to be shaped and formed for this war.

    A: Just fake news
    B: Attempt to lure Russians to attack or threaten NATO
    C: Nato entered with sneaky attacks
    D: Some platforms were equipped able to use HARMs

    How realistic variant D and C is, would be under big question mark.

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:37 am

    What i see from the Harm.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:51 am

    JohninMK wrote:Latest US package, no more HIMARS just missiles. Whilst they expect those 120mm mortars to be busy  Shocked

    At the rate that artillery is being used in this conflict, this is kind of a week supply.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:15 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    A: Just fake news
    B: Attempt to lure Russians to attack or threaten NATO
    C: Nato entered with sneaky attacks
    D: Some platforms were equipped able to use HARMs

    How realistic variant D and C is, would be under big question mark.

    C = zero chance

    D= most likely and now confirmed by the Pentagon. Odds on the Mig-29. More here

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/u-s-confirms-air-launched-anti-radiation-missiles-sent-to-ukraine

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    Post  Mir Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:31 am

    This is the most logical way - a simple mod to make it available for the Mig-29 >>

    From the above link John kindly provided Smile

    The War Zone's Tyler Rogoway explained previously how this might be achieved:

    "Air launch is ideal for the AGM-88 as it provides for far better kinetic performance (longer range and speed). It also allows for a far better, elevated sensing position to organically detect the presence and general direction, or even geolocation, of a threat emitter. The AGM-88 could work with relatively minimal integration, potentially leveraging a federated interface, such as e-tablet, for very basic functionality. Ukraine's fighters are Soviet-era machines and totally lack the right interfaces, including the basic bus architecture, for modern NATO-compatible weaponry. But it's possible a relatively crude modification could have been adapted for this single weapon. There is also the possibility of a clandestine transfer of Soviet-era aircraft from NATO states that have been upgraded with NATO-standard bus architecture and adaptable avionics that could provide an interface for the HARM."

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:41 am

    Oh no, another Wunderwaffe Embarassed
    Russkies are doomed!

    I hope that hype will last longer than the previous ones Laughing Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:01 am

    Why you gotta lie bud? when did I say HIMARS has longer range? I said its more ACCURATE. Additionally RANGE depends on the missile type.

    So a .22lr rifle is more accurate than a sniper rifle because a 25m target for a .22lr rifle is about 50mm across, while most sniper targets are human chest width across and more than 300m away... but according to you the .22lr is more accurate because tighter groups at shorter ranges.

    Except that HIMARs rockets are guided and the guided Smerch rockets is what you should be comparing them to and you will find the guided Smerch rockets are not less accurate than HIMARS rockets even over greater ranges than HIMARS can reach.

    So yes Wolf, you Mir and the others are behaving like total fanboys for ZERO logical reason other then I said smerch was inferior in two aspects to HIMARS.

    And you would be wrong on both counts.

    The guided Smerch rockets which would be the rockets used in the same roles as HIMARS (soon HERMES would be doing this too BTW but able to engage moving targets too), will be every bit as accurate as the HIMARS guided rockets and in terms of mobility...

    They developed lighter more mobile versions of Smerch... AFAIK they have not adopted them yet because the standard truck vehicles being used as standard for Smerch and Uragan and Grad are already cheap and widely used in other roles and have good mobility already...

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    Latest US package, no more HIMARS just missiles. Whilst they expect those 120mm mortars to be busy

    Probably have lots of buyers for 120mm ammo lined up because it can be used in both western and Soviet mortars...

    I noticed many people in twitterland at least "enthusiastic" about Ukraine MiG-29 firing Harms... completely ignoring the difficulty and it's unrealistic to install foreign weaponry especially as complex as foreign Anti Radiation Missile into it.

    Also ignoring the fairly ordinary performance of HARM in actual combat... they would be better off using Soviet missiles like the Kh-25 model anti radiation missile, the Kh-31 anti radiation missile and the Kh-58 anti radiation missile... (AS-12, AS-17, and AS-11 respectively).


    Western media CBS made article said only 30% of the weapons west sends in Ukraine end up ob the front. Rest is sold on black market.

    Article was quickly removed.

    Now if a western media admits such thing then it should be close to the reality

    So what are they saying... 30% get to the front line, while 70% get sold and the money goes into slush funds and overseas bank accounts... does none get destroyed enroute.

    I would expect lots of little warlords across the Ukraine controlling their little territories and areas and payment to transfer goods from one direction or the other would cost... payment taken in cargo perhaps... the amount of stuff getting captured and handed over to friendly forces means plenty makes it to the front line but why distribute new weapons no one on the front line has any idea of how to use... learning to use something in combat with Russian forces including air power and artillery is a very very steep learning curve that after the first few don't survive I suspect the rest will just pass on their chance to be a martyr for Zelensky.

    What i see from the Harm.

    I am sure there is a joke there.... something something something.... no harm in trying... taa daa... clown

    Ukraine's fighters are Soviet-era machines and totally lack the right interfaces, including the basic bus architecture, for modern NATO-compatible weaponry.

    But how many of Ukraines fighters still survive... I would say Macedonian and Polish and other types are more likely...

    Oh no, another Wunderwaffe

    Soviet SAMs from the mid 1980s started to arrive with ARM intercept capacity for self defence... the original SA-11 BUK the Orcs used were not intended for Anti ARM roles but the upgraded SA-17 and the brand new Viking BUK-M3 could deal with them easily enough.... as could TOR and Pantsir etc.

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    Post  crod Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:12 am

    Absolutely NO idea regarding accuracy etc but several internet news sites are reporting counterattack success for uki forces North and South along with possibly 3 Russian arms depots targeted and destroyed in the south. Live map is showing these also.

    Any conformation on what’s happening? Or more accurate maps.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:21 am

    HARM has been compromised decades ago.
    Each Russian battery deploys both passive and active countermeasures.
    Plus is well covered by accompanying CIWS.
    The Soviet legacy missiles Ukrs have (had?Laughing ) leaves no space here either.
    Ch-58 carries almost triple the warhead, at double speed, and 30% more range.
    This thing started to be really ridiculous, as each weapon system NATO provides with fanfares as another Wunderwaffe proves to be inferior to the 40 y/o stuff Ukros already had. So to cover this whole fuckup, a propaganda campaign is being unleashed.

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    Post  Hole Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:26 am

    The "High-mobility" in HIMARS has nothing to do with the truck. The thing is light enough to fit inside a C-130, that´s why it´s called "high-mobility". 

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    Post  franco Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:28 am

    Formation in Russia of regional and "national" volunteer battalions

    The Kommersant newspaper published Andrey Vinokurov's article “Special Volunteer Operation. How the regions form units to participate in the SVO in Ukraine” about the formation in the Russian Federation of regional and “national” volunteer battalions to participate in a special military operation in Ukraine. Soldiers of the volunteer battalion "Tiger" formed in Primorsky Krai, July 2022 (c) press service of the Government of Primorsky Krai

    At the end of last week, it became known about the formation in St. Petersburg of three “named” volunteer units to participate in a special military operation (SVO) in Ukraine. The formation of such detachments has been going on in the regions for several months now: local authorities and veteran organizations are calling for them to join, volunteers are promised solid cash payments and provision with all the necessary equipment. Procedural issues are resolved through the military registration and enlistment offices, where those wishing to go to the NVO enter into a contract with the Ministry of Defense. As a rule, such units consist of fellow countrymen who are trained together and will also have to participate in hostilities together.

    Information about the creation in St. Petersburg of volunteer detachments "Kronstadt", "Neva" and "Pavlovsk" appeared on August 4 in the public "VKontakte" under the name "Point of selection for military service under the contract." According to the announcement, these units are staffed "exclusively by residents of St. Petersburg."

    The formation of such units has been going on in the regions since spring: according to Kommersant's estimates, more than 40 such units have already been created in at least two dozen subjects of the Russian Federation.

    Information about them is published in the media and social networks of the authorities, while they receive special names, one way or another indicating their territorial affiliation. As a rule, these units include residents of the very region where they are formed, who together undergo training and combat coordination, and then go together to the NWO.

    So, in Yakutia, a volunteer detachment is called "Bootur" - according to local legends, Elley Bootur is considered the ancestor of the Yakuts. On July 28, the head of the republic, Aisen Nikolaev, wrote about his forthcoming dispatch to the NVO “to liberate the friendly republics, strengthen the borders and defend our country” in his Telegram channel. According to the commander of "Botur" Alexander Kolosov, it includes drivers, mechanics, air defense gunners and machine gunners.

    “The main principle that we are forming here is fraternity… The battalion will come to its fellow countrymen prepared and will be a good support for the military units that are participating in the special operation in Ukraine,” governor Oleg Kozhemyako described the tasks of the Primorsky Tiger detachment. On July 9, the press service of the regional government announced the beginning of the formation of the battalion. Its fighters are being trained at the base of the 155th Marine Brigade of the Pacific Fleet.

    “The idea is that the battalions should be formed only from the natives of Tatarstan, so that they stand shoulder to shoulder, know each other, walk together and carry out the assigned tasks,” explained the principle of the formation of the Alga and Timer battalions (from Tatar - “Forward” and “Iron”), the head of the selection point for military service under a contract in Kazan, Major Evgeny Tokmakov. And the press secretary of the President of Tatarstan, Lilia Galimova, assured that this initiative was born “at the call of the soul”: “As far as I understand, people who are directly involved in this made an appeal. I have not heard that the leadership of the republic made any appeals.” The Tatar battalions have their own Telegram channel, where campaign videos are periodically published. "I am Alexey. Every day I work in the field in my native Volzhsk, - says in one of them a volunteer, sitting in an infantry fighting vehicle. “I am Bulat, an IT specialist from Nizhnekamsk. I develop programs for large companies in the city,” says another.

    When enrolling in the Chuvash communications battalion "Atal" (from the Chuvash - "Volga"), which can also only be entered by residents of the republic, knowledge of the Chuvash language is considered a plus. To sign the contract, no experience of military service is required, but you need a signalman's education or a driver's license category B, C, D, E.

    In the Perm Territory, a motorized rifle company "Parma" of 90 people and a tank battalion "Molot" (about 160 people) are being formed. Another tank battalion named after Kuzma Minin is being created in the Nizhny Novgorod region. The Amur region, as reported in mid-July by local media, is gathering the Amursky motorized rifle battalion, which is expected to consist of 400-500 people. An announcement appeared on the website of the government of the Leningrad Region about recruiting for the Nevsky and Ladoga artillery battalions. And in the Tyumen region, they announced the formation of three units at once with different specializations: the Tobol sapper battalion, the Taiga sniper company, and the Siberia artillery battalion. According to the official version, Tobol was formed on the initiative of veterans of the Tyumen Higher Military Engineering Command School.

    Bashkiria prepared two motorized rifle battalions for the NVO. The formation of the first, named after Minigali Shaimuratov (a Soviet Bashkir military leader during the Great Patriotic War), was announced back in May by the republican organization Veterans of the Marine Corps and Special Forces of the Navy. And in June, “Veterans of the airborne troops and special forces of Bashkortostan” announced the creation of a battalion named after Alexander Dostavlatov (a Ufa man who died in the second Chechen war). The head of the republic, Radiy Khabirov, said that the total number of two battalions exceeded 800 people.

    Support units are being created in a number of regions.

    For example, the Seim logistics battalion from the Kursk region will transport fuel, food, ammunition, etc. The Omsk region announced the formation of a repair company, a logistics company and a medical unit under the names Irtysh, Avangard and " Om." Auto mechanics, logisticians, freight forwarders, supply managers and paramedical personnel are most in demand there. According to the Omsk authorities at the beginning of last week, 150 applications for service were received, 50 people have already passed the selection and are included in the order, and another 400 people called the contact number and declared their readiness to join nominal battalions.

    Among other "nominal" units - "Angara" (Irkutsk region), Chelyabinsk battalions "South Ural" (261 people) and "Southern Ural" (253 people), Tomsk "Toyan" (after the prince of the tribe of Eushta Tatars who lived on the banks of the Tom in the 17th century). The Ulyanovsk battalions "Sviyaga" (a river that flows through Ulyanovsk) and "Simbirsk" are expected to have 200 fighters each. According to Maxim Korzhov, deputy head of the central recruiting center in Ulyanovsk, the interest in concluding contracts is “very high”: more than 100 calls are received per day.

    In the Krasnodar Territory, volunteer detachments are formed on the basis of the Kuban Cossack army. Back in April, a detachment named after the ataman of the Black Sea Cossack army Zakhary Chepiga was created there, and in May - the Kuban detachment. In total, about 1.2 thousand Cossacks participate in the SVO, and a special training center for Cossack volunteers operates in the region. In addition, on July 22, information appeared on the website of the Union of Cossack Warriors of Russia and Abroad about the reorganization of the Don Cossack detachment into a brigade and the addition of the Terek battalion to it. The new brigade should also include the Kuban and the Yenisei unit. Earlier, the media wrote about the participation of the Cossack divisions Yermak and Taurida in the NWO.

    The Ministry of Defense is responsible for procedural formalities in all regions: volunteers sign contracts with it for a period of several months with the possibility of extension and receive the official status of contract soldiers.

    A typical scheme for the distribution of responsibilities in the formation of regbats for many constituent entities of the Russian Federation was previously described in an interview by the Primorye Governor Kozhemyako: in the case of the Tiger, ammunition (body armor and helmets) is supplied by the Pacific Fleet, the region takes care of clothing and special equipment (“various sights, walkie-talkies, quadrocopters” ), and the Ministry of Defense provides weapons.

    The promised benefits to volunteers vary from region to region. So, in the Omsk region they say that after arriving on the territory of the North Military District, the salary of contractors will be at least 130 thousand rubles. In other regions, higher figures are given, exceeding 200 thousand rubles. And in the Perm Territory, volunteers are promised at all that they will receive at least 300 thousand rubles. per month. Regional authorities, in turn, are ready for one-time payments (from 100 thousand rubles), but they are not always available immediately. For example, in Tatarstan, volunteers are promised to be paid only 60,000 at once, and they will receive another 200,000 after crossing the border. In addition, contract soldiers are entitled to various payments for the successful conduct of hostilities and daily allowances of 8 thousand rubles. "for each day of the offensive." Regional surcharges are also provided in the event of the death of volunteers: for example,

    Recall that Chechnya began to form nominal military units from local residents long before the events in Ukraine, and they participated in the NMD from the first days. In particular, these are the Akhmat OMON and SOBR detachments (named after the President of Chechnya in 2003-2004 Akhmat Kadyrov), the Yug battalion and the 141st motorized regiment named after Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov. At the end of June, the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced the formation of four new battalions to participate in the Northern Military District: North-Akhmat, South-Akhmat, West-Akhmat and East-Akhmat.

    As a well-informed federal official explained to Kommersant on condition of anonymity, contract units are formed on a territorial basis, since it is more convenient to work with volunteers.

    The regional authorities, according to him, were asked to provide, first of all, informational support, they also help with finances and raise funds for additional logistics. To the question of Kommersant whether after the NWO there could be problems with such units at the place of their formation, the interlocutor of Kommersant replied: “This is the principle of the lesser evil. Yes, and fight for a long time and in different directions.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:36 am

    ALAMO wrote:Oh no, another Wunderwaffe Embarassed
    Russkies are doomed!

    I hope that hype will last longer than the previous ones Laughing Laughing

    It is actually very good training for Russian AD, despite US sending probably older versions and not their newest ones of course. AR missiles are supposed to be some of the hardest and more dangerous targets and it will always be good for crews to have a taste of how they are really used by a NATO commanded enemy.

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    Post  crod Tue Aug 09, 2022 10:38 am

    Why are they needing to create such units though? Surely there are enough reserves of well trained soldiers to relieve the different fighting units etc? Would it not be better to send these better trained servicemen into battle? If Russia only deployed 80k as stated here, that leaves 100ks of regular forces to rotate with, whom are much better equipped to fight in a real war due to do their years of training etc. Is it not risky sending in barely trained units or what am I missing here folks?

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