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    Post  Firebird Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:15 pm

    There seems to be a bit of a fundamental shift with Russia's policy towards the CIS.
    The old approach was to simply develop the Eurasian Union, with key players on-side and coaxing more non-committal members in. The prob with the Eurasian Union is that its vulnerable to outside forces ie crooked rats like Uncle Sham. Just look at Belarus, Kazakstan, Armenia etc.

    The new approach, as mentioned by Putin is more about "de Communisation" ie looking at what was Russia before some of the idiocies of the USSR. So we're now seeing parts of the former Ukraine looking to rejoin Russia. Likewise with Belarus after Lukashenko.

    With Kazakstan, Krushchev had the moronic idea of giving away a chunk of Russian land to the Kazak SSR. And post Communism, ethnic Russians fled Kazakstan. Furthermore, back in Imperial Russia, Kazakstan was part of Russia itself.

    Evidently demonic forces from Washington are looking to do a "Pukraine" with Kazakstan at some point.
    To me, the solution is to absorb atleast a chunk of the current Kazakstan into Russia proper. And the rest of it could be headed up by a no-nonsense character.

    Thats not about "empire building". Its simply looking at the identity of Kazakstan, what is best for it, preventing bloodshed and enhancing prosperity and a good quality of life. Because the Devil aka Uncle Sham will promise one thing, but only bring misery and lies.

    Hopefully Russia can be very proactive with all this. Esp given that it can now weather any sanctions storms created by Uncle Sham. A Russia with much of the Ukraine, Belarus and the better parts of Kazakstan could be pretty powerful AND unified on the World stage. Other former Soviet areas could very likely then be re-attracted by the softest of power plays.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:26 pm

    One thing is certain, the color revolution attempt in Kazakhstan showed that there is blood in the water, and the current dilemma shows that still holds very much true. Thus, sharks quickly come to feed. You can bet your life savings that the empire and lackies will be cooking up something for Kazakhstan in the future. The empire is predictably relentless in this regard. They just keep coming. And they'll keep coming unless bogged down elsewhere, or until they collapse (once the dollar as reserve currency does - not anytime soon).

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:28 pm


    You guys will NOT BELIEVE the sentence that just got posted on DefenseTalk.com:

    If Tyler Rogoway says it's possible, I trust him

    https://www.defencetalk.com/military/forums/t/the-russian-ukrainian-war-thread.15283/page-202#post-408624


    Hahahahaha, remember folks, it's a forum for "defense professionals" lol1 lol1 lol1



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    Post  Azi Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:09 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    This is contradictory statement

    Either this war isn't protracted and Russia is stuck with Nazi insurgency that will be receiving infinite funding and weapons or they take as much time as needed and exterminate every single Ukrop stupid enough to take up arms against Russia thus solving many problems before they happen

    You can only pick one
    It's not. By pussyfooting you can make this war go on for years and still end up with half assed results. Let's just say that they have to be efficient. No back and forth bs.
    Hey guys...

    The only reason the operation goes soo slow is psychological!

    You remember the fast advance of Russian troops towards Melitopol, Kherson and Co? What happened later? Hundreds and thousands of civilians going to the street demonstrating for Ukraine against Russia. I know it was only a minority but what should Russia do in this situation??? Shooting with tanks in a crowd of civilians? Killing childrens? How fast Russia would lose support of India, China and other countries?

    The pace of the operation is perfect for delegitimizing the Ukraine administration, saving costs, saving life of civilians and saving the life of russian soldiers!

    If Kiev fell in 3 days Zelensky would be a hero, unrest across whole Ukraine would rage, the losses in material, men and money would be tremendous...exactly what USA wants the perfect breeding ground for a color revolution in Russia. Zelensky is now a sad-looking knight, a loser and he loses the support of the population. You can see the videos in Western Ukraine of women resisting that their husbands, brothers and sons in the east of the country are burned to death.

    I was skeptical at first, of course driven by the Western media's fake news, but now I fully understand the operation. By the way, many Russian soldiers gain a lot of experience. The longer the operation lasts -> more experience. The mix is important.

    And don't forget...Russia is only committing 15% of its forces to this operation. If the shit becomes serious it can easy ramp up the forces!


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    Post  d_taddei2 Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:13 pm

    Firebird wrote:There seems to be a bit of a fundamental shift with Russia's policy towards the CIS.
    The old approach was to simply develop the Eurasian Union, with key players on-side and coaxing more non-committal members in. The prob with the Eurasian Union is that its vulnerable to outside forces ie crooked rats like Uncle Sham. Just look at Belarus, Kazakstan, Armenia etc.

    The new approach, as mentioned by Putin is more about "de Communisation" ie looking at what was Russia before some of the idiocies of the USSR. So we're now seeing parts of the former Ukraine looking to rejoin Russia. Likewise with Belarus after Lukashenko.

    With Kazakstan, Krushchev had the moronic idea of giving away a chunk of Russian land to the Kazak SSR. And post Communism, ethnic Russians fled Kazakstan. Furthermore, back in Imperial Russia, Kazakstan was part of Russia itself.

    Evidently demonic forces from Washington are looking to do a "Pukraine" with Kazakstan at some point.
    To me, the solution is to absorb atleast a chunk of the current Kazakstan into Russia proper. And the rest of it could be headed up by a no-nonsense character.

    Thats not about "empire building". Its simply looking at the identity of Kazakstan, what is best for it, preventing bloodshed and enhancing prosperity and a good quality of life. Because the Devil aka Uncle Sham will promise one thing, but only bring misery and lies.

    Hopefully Russia can be very proactive with all this. Esp given that it can now weather any sanctions storms created by Uncle Sham. A Russia with much of the Ukraine, Belarus and the better parts of Kazakstan could be pretty powerful AND unified on the World stage. Other former Soviet areas could very likely then be re-attracted by the softest of power plays.

    Kazakhstan president won't forget that Putin saved his ass a few months ago. Kazakhstan knows who really has its back. I think Kazakhstan is using this opportunity to make good money. And it's not as if Kazakhstan can replace Russian oil supply to EU.

    As for absorbing Kazakhstan no need, I believe Kazakhstan is firmly in Russian sphere of influence. Russia just needs to ensure others follow suit Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Armenia are already sorted in this respect. Uzbekistan Turkmenistan needs a little work. Azerbaijan is up turkeys ass. Mongolia is surrounded by Russia and china so it's not a problem. Russia ought to have its own funded backed takeover like USA does, but in Georgia and Moldova. And as already said by many once Odessa is liberated they can welcome transnistria and gaugazia into the fold.

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    Post  Azi Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:44 pm

    limb wrote:
    Azi wrote:
    Hole wrote:https://www.stalkerzone.org/a-new-stage-of-the-russian-special-operation-has-matured-in-ukraine/
    Phase 3 is coming up. Breaking through Kramatorsk will "open up" a large area.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #20 - Page 22 Scree388
    The howitzer in the little picture is the Dana-M2, the howitzer in the video looks like the Dana-M1 or a prior version...so the video of RuMoD shows really the destruction of a "western" Dana howitzer.

    A search on Google shows only pictures of the Dana M2. The cabin of the truck is too tall and looks too big in comparison with the turret. The window us far too big too.
    , And the chassis is too short. Theres no chassis visible after the "turret".This therefore looks like a poorly made mockup  which ironically worked. Russians should use something better than 80s  quality cameras. A krasnopol was wasted on a junk truck.

    I bet you believe in the story of 2 pzh2000s captured.
    Bullshit! If you search for Dana-M1 Google will show you Dana-M1!

    The cabin is not too tall it's angled. You can't see windows but the shadow of the armor flaps. The chassis is not too short you can't only see it because of the turret.

    Again, self-propelled artillery systems are often camouflaged so that they don't look like something out of a promotional brochure from above.
    And Western videos of such operations usually do not look any better. I remember a lot of guys jerking off on the Bayraktar videos without actually being able to see anything

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:09 pm

    Photo of a GMLRS projectile (or M142 HIMARS) shot down by the Pantsir S1 air defense system in Novaya Kakhovka yesterday. Far from all the shells reached the target, and the casualties among the civilian population could have been much higher.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/14237?single

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    Post  Hole Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:47 pm

    The only difference between Himars and Uragan or M777 and D-20 is the media coverage. Back in March nobody in western media gave a shit about some random Nazis shooting some howitzer or rocket launcher in the direction of russian troops, but as soon as western weapons arrived there were headlines all over the place. "Ukrainians using sophisticated M777 gun against evil russians". The result is the same, mostly civilian targets hit, but today each empty barn burning down is a command post or a ammunition depot.  Rolling Eyes

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    Post  Belisarius Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:10 pm

    According to Rybar sources - Ukraine has sold one MLRS HIMARS for 800 thousand dollars to the RAF

    Additionally, the issue of transferring ammunition for 330 thousand dollars is being decided.

    The method of transmission chosen is extremely funny: leave the launcher in a shed in the gray zone, so that Russian servicemen “accidentally” stumble upon it during the sweep

    Rybar were the first to report on the deal with french CAESAR howitzers.
    https://t.me/levigodman/4023

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:That image as the thumbnail for that video is from a US propaganda piece of shit from the 1980s and it is still horseshit.

    No discussion about anti satellite lasers because they are not relevant to this discussion.

    The 5km range anti drone lasers on the other hand would be relevant...

    Not propaganda .

    Russia building Kalina anti-satellite laser facility for electro-optical warfare
    https://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/russia_building_kalina_anti-satellite_laser_facility.html

    The image is not the actual system ,that is for illustration purposes.

    This is very relevant because if you see the report , it will be used to Blind NATO satellites ,so they
    can't spy as easily from space on Russian military or any other place ,territory movements.. IF  this thing is activated this year , and works as advertised , it would be a major significant help , in protection of Russian cities by blinding NATO satellites.  Which is also connected to Ukraine war ,because Ukraine is attacking RUssian cities.. Doh!  So don't  comment if you have no idea what you talking about.

    If you don't see a connection is because you are an ignorant  , Since the ukraine conflict is not contained in Ukraine alone..  Russian mainland cities attacked too by drones and ballistic missiles using satellites to guide them, Something Kalina laser ,if works as advertised ,could help ,significantly reducing NATO monitoring of Russian and ukraine territory.  So in short you are wrong dude .
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:19 pm

    Vann calling people ignorant...lawls still waiting for those syrian controlled S400's

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:35 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Vann calling people ignorant...lawls still waiting for those syrian controlled S400's

    But he is an Ignorant..  Garryb is the most naive and ignorant person in the forums , or perhaps a paid NGO troll ,hired to promote certain agendas..   he claim Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are  "safe" after all the overwhelming evidence by American Doctors ,and  even the major opposition in a dozen of some states ,for those vaccines, That Is "conspiracy  theories" all this claims this western vaccines , are plans for population control . And not mentioning how Russian top scientist have openly told ,those vaccines kill people as is the case of Sputnik V creator.


    Garryb is the one that claimed "nobody will dare to attack Russia , because have nuclear weapons."  lol1  Rolling Eyes

    I only  read   his post for fun ,when they are short  , to see the stupid things he says.  HE lives in a parallel fantasy world , out of touch with reality.

    And speaking about ignorant.. what happened with your claims that Russia "lost the war" in Syria?
    that US military won it?   lol1

    I have never claimed Syria controls S-400s.. go and show me where i said that..   Rolling Eyes

    And for those  that try to label me as a "TROLL" , or as an "ANTI Russia"
    I am neither one.. I only  care about what is True . about facts.. i don't give a shit patriotism or flags.
    only care about facts. hate propaganda from any side ,happens in both sides and  only against Putin ,for how mediocre he is as a President.

    So i can understand the 5th column in Russia ,why they hate putin. they are 100% justified in wanting to remove him.. and would fall short in wishing them success, if it wasn't because they want to remove him to put a zelensky like puppet in place. Very horrible president.. he needs to be arrested ,for life. with Poroshenko too.  they indeed are worse than Putin , add  justin trudeu too..
    but that doesn't means putin is a Good leader . because he is not. he is a fool, that dont know the mistakes he is doing.

    IS unfortunate , because Russia do have a lot of scientific talent , and is most of it wasted ,because of the outdated leadership they have.  Russia needs to re-invent itself and detach from the orthodox and also its soviet past. And only use the past as reference to learn from their mistakes.


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    Post  Mir Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:50 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Dunno the amount of time and effort vann7 puts into his posts here is strange. I dont think he is a troll. This kind of behavior can only be explained by a weird obsession he has (for example he might have been here years ago under another alias and got caught up in intense drama that he cannot let go. This is just one scenario as an example) or it could be that he is a legit paid shill. That doesnt seem likely though as this forum, awesome as it is, is not important enough to wage legit infowar.

    All I can say is this. I'm kinda an eccentric. Vann7 makes me look extremely well adjusted.

    I believe Vann has a secret fetish for Putin - but unfortunately for Vann Putin's security cluster rejected his advances Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:00 pm

    Firebird wrote:There seems to be a bit of a fundamental shift with Russia's policy towards the CIS.
    The old approach was to simply develop the Eurasian Union, with key players on-side and coaxing more non-committal members in. The prob with the Eurasian Union is that its vulnerable to outside forces ie crooked rats like Uncle Sham. Just look at Belarus, Kazakstan, Armenia etc.

    The new approach, as mentioned by Putin is more about "de Communisation" ie looking at what was Russia before some of the idiocies of the USSR. So we're now seeing parts of the former Ukraine looking to rejoin Russia. Likewise with Belarus after Lukashenko.

    With Kazakstan, Krushchev had the moronic idea of giving away a chunk of Russian land to the Kazak SSR. And post Communism, ethnic Russians fled Kazakstan. Furthermore, back in Imperial Russia, Kazakstan was part of Russia itself.

    Evidently demonic forces from Washington are looking to do a "Pukraine" with Kazakstan at some point.
    To me, the solution is to absorb atleast a chunk of the current Kazakstan into Russia proper. And the rest of it could be headed up by a no-nonsense character.

    Thats not about "empire building". Its simply looking at the identity of Kazakstan, what is best for it, preventing bloodshed and enhancing prosperity and a good quality of life. Because the Devil aka Uncle Sham will promise one thing, but only bring misery and lies.

    Hopefully Russia can be very proactive with all this. Esp given that it can now weather any sanctions storms created by Uncle Sham. A Russia with much of the Ukraine, Belarus and the better parts of Kazakstan could be pretty powerful AND unified on the World stage. Other former Soviet areas could very likely then be re-attracted by the softest of power plays.


    It is the stupidities of leftists financed by Germany and the Jews, like Lenin. They are unaware of race, culture, blood and land. History is putting things in their place.

    25 million ethnic Russians expelled from their land. Half of the population of my country, approximately.
    They have a right to return home.


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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:00 pm

    Azi wrote:

    The only reason the operation goes soo slow is psychological!

    Yes, kind of.
    But what is more important, Russkie claim any advantage they have to sustain a high casualty ratio for Ukrs and vice versa.
    Donbas is a meatgrinder for the best units Ukrs had. It is long supply lines for them, a hostile population. Opposite for Russkies. The population is heavily favoring them, supplies are just there, and last but not least, the republican units, but not only them, have a strong belief in bringing freedom to the population and land.
    As conflict is prolonged, more and more allied troops gain a hell of experience. As the republican soldiers had some good background, they mastered tranche warfare and war of attraction mostly, not familiar with offensive operations much. Russian soldiers could have been trained more versatile, still, they didn't have the real experience. The way this operation is expanding is direct proof of how confident the Russian troops became. Ukros don't have trained, battle-ready manpower anymore, while Russkies have only warmed up.

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    Post  Vann7 Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:25 pm



    Azi wrote:


    The only reason the operation goes soo slow is psychological!



    Psychological operations in war are valid , but it have to be aimed at the enemy,not at your own soldiers.  Laughing

     Because i don't understand why Russian airforce leave alone their military fighting in the ground , there is almost zero close air support for their ground troops..almost zero combined arms operations.
    Tanks send alone to ambush , without drones or special forces to provide intel to them of Ukraine positions.  So indeed is psychological war without a doubt, a real nightmare for Russian soldiers ,to have 24 hours a day Ukraine drones flying above their heads and not a single fucking plane of the Russian airforce helping them ,to protect them ,from ukraine endless supply of strike drones.  How fast or slow is the advance is not the real issue ,
    the real issue is how many Russian soldiers ,tanks ,armor , convoys are attacked , because there no airforce providing close air support to them.. taking those drones first , BEFORE they provide information of Russian positions.  Russia could have reduced in half , if not more , their casualties ,if the Russian airforce was doing its job is smashing Ukraine artillery quick and fast ,and achieving full air superiority ,not allow enemy  drones get far from their take off positions.

    in more news..

    Russian Army Encircles Siversk, “West Plotting Russia Attack






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    Post  Sprut-B Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:30 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Some are saying the supposed Ukrainian offensive is a psychological operation

    To intimidate the poor civilians in Kherson

    I think the civilians should leave temporarily , to Russia, and wait it out, if they stay they will be subject to harsh fire

    Russia is going to increase the fire pressure on VSU, but the nazis will keep going after civilians

    This is the best solution to save civilians. Build a camp in Crimea for the civilians to stay there comfortably till the war is over. I'm sure many people will volunteer to help them out with foods & other amenities.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:59 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Azi wrote:

    The only reason the operation goes soo slow is psychological!

    Yes, kind of.
    But what is more important, Russkie claim any advantage they have to sustain a high casualty ratio for Ukrs and vice versa.
    Donbas is a meatgrinder for the best units Ukrs had. It is long supply lines for them, a hostile population. Opposite for Russkies. The population is heavily favoring them, supplies are just there, and last but not least, the republican units, but not only them, have a strong belief in bringing freedom to the population and land.
    As conflict is prolonged, more and more allied troops gain a hell of experience. As the republican soldiers had some good background, they mastered tranche warfare and war of attraction mostly, not familiar with offensive operations much. Russian soldiers could have been trained more versatile, still, they didn't have the real experience. The way this operation is expanding is direct proof of how confident the Russian troops became. Ukros don't have trained, battle-ready manpower anymore, while Russkies have only warmed up.

    No, it is because of low manpower, they have to pick and choose where to attack due to this, and no this isn't saying anything bad its just facts you need men to man a frontline, guard flanks, keep reserves etc.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:34 pm

    A large column near Kherson were they getting ready to renew the southern front?


    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1546887540640256000?t=56id1G82itTrqP3wQMNspg&s=19

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:40 pm

    Arrow wrote:A large column near Kherson were they getting ready to renew the southern front?


    https://twitter.com/spriteer_774400/status/1546887540640256000?t=56id1G82itTrqP3wQMNspg&s=19

    Plenty of videos of trains with t72b3 and bmp3

    They have increased the BTG numbers to 120+

    We are going to see a February 24 style storm like Gostomel and Kiev , but they will move through the south and the east, simultaneously pinning the Ukrainians down and possibly overwhelming them

    For the last 5 months the VSU has been pinned down and gasping for air, now is the time to knock them down hard

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    Post  sundoesntrise Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:07 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:

    Kazakhstan president won't forget that Putin saved his ass a few months ago. Kazakhstan knows who really has its back. I think Kazakhstan is using this opportunity to make good money. And it's not as if Kazakhstan can replace Russian oil supply to EU.

    As for absorbing Kazakhstan no need, I believe Kazakhstan is firmly in Russian sphere of influence. Russia just needs to ensure others follow suit Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Armenia are already sorted in this respect. Uzbekistan Turkmenistan needs a little work. Azerbaijan is up turkeys ass. Mongolia is surrounded by Russia and china so it's not a problem. Russia ought to have its own funded backed takeover like USA does, but in Georgia and Moldova. And as already said by many once Odessa is liberated they can welcome transnistria and gaugazia into the fold.

    'I believe...'

    Stop right there Johnny. I understand that this forum has become a feel-good safe space for the most ardent pro Russia Westerners - where they are allowed and even encouraged to one-up each other in making such ridiculous statements and claims that it would even make seasoned Pravda commentators blush, but this ain't it.

    In the last weeks/months Kazakhstan has:

    - Ratified a Turkey-Kazakhstan customs agreement
    - Declaration of intent on diversifying its oil and gas supply routes (ie bypassing Russia through China/Turkey-Azerbaijan/Iran-Turkmenistan)
    - Signed the Baku Declaration which will integrate the country further with Turkey/Azerbaijan and will lead to increased oil exports to Europe
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with China
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with Turkmenistan/Iran
    - Has banned the transport of Western sanctioned goods through its territory (fear of secondary sanctions). There is also reason to believe that this will extend to third countries (let's say India)
    - As an extension of that Kazakhstan is banning the export of Kazakh goods to Russia sanctioned by the West
    - Refused to recognize the DPR /LPR in Putin's own face.
    - Stated that the CSTO saved Kazakhstan, and not Russia.
    - Stated that it won't hold any May 9 parades anymore.
    - Appointed vicious hardline Kazakh nationalists in power, whose rhetoric is on par with Maidanists (calling ethnic Russians colonial settlers who eventually will have to leave)
    - Stated that China is much more important to Kazakhstan than Russia
    - Stated that under no circumstance Kazakhstan would join the war in Ukraine, even if the CSTO mechanism was activated.
    - Stated that Ukraine has a right to join EU/NATO if they seem to wish so.
    - Kazakhstan has withdrawn from the Russian led CIS Agreement

    I hate the break the news for ya, but this is what de-coupling looks like. They are using the mayhem in Ukraine as a window of opportunity. Tokayev says thank you for saving his ass in January though - oh wait, it was the CSTO who did that.

    Kind of an expensive mistake not to leave a 'peacekeeping force' in Kazakhstan after Russia saved the country from imploding.

    But hey at least Putin looked better doing it than the US, according to the geopolitical experts here and elsewhere.
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    Belisarius wrote:According to Rybar sources - Ukraine has sold one MLRS HIMARS for 800 thousand dollars to the RAF

    Additionally, the issue of transferring ammunition for 330 thousand dollars is being decided.

    The method of transmission chosen is extremely funny: leave the launcher in a shed in the gray zone, so that Russian servicemen “accidentally” stumble upon it during the sweep

    Rybar were the first to report on the deal with french CAESAR howitzers.
    https://t.me/levigodman/4023

    Eagerly awaiting the photos.

    About those Caesars bytheway, any visual confirmation? Judging by the fact that the Russians photograph every ATGM captured - up until the empty tubes, and have no qualms showing off wrecked second hand Humvees one would expect at least a simple picture to go with these bold claims.
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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:32 am

    sundoesntrise wrote:

    'I believe...'

    Stop right there Johnny. I understand that this forum has become a feel-good safe space for the most ardent pro Russia Westerners - where they are allowed and even encouraged to one-up each other in making such ridiculous statements and claims that it would even make seasoned Pravda commentators blush, but this ain't it.

    In the last weeks/months Kazakhstan has:

    - Ratified a Turkey-Kazakhstan customs agreement
    - Declaration of intent on diversifying its oil and gas supply routes (ie bypassing Russia through China/Turkey-Azerbaijan/Iran-Turkmenistan)
    - Signed the Baku Declaration which will integrate the country further with Turkey/Azerbaijan and will lead to increased oil exports to Europe
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with China
    - Agreed on new transportation corridors with Turkmenistan/Iran
    - Has banned the transport of Western sanctioned goods through its territory (fear of secondary sanctions). There is also reason to believe that this will extend to third countries (let's say India)
    - As an extension of that Kazakhstan is banning the export of Kazakh goods to Russia sanctioned by the West
    - Refused to recognize the DPR /LPR in Putin's own face.
    - Stated that the CSTO saved Kazakhstan, and not Russia.
    - Stated that it won't hold any May 9 parades anymore.
    - Appointed vicious hardline Kazakh nationalists in power, whose rhetoric is on par with Maidanists (calling ethnic Russians colonial settlers who eventually will have to leave)
    - Stated that China is much more important to Kazakhstan than Russia
    - Stated that under no circumstance Kazakhstan would join the war in Ukraine, even if the CSTO mechanism was activated.
    - Stated that Ukraine has a right to join EU/NATO if they seem to wish so.
    - Kazakhstan has withdrawn from the Russian led CIS Agreement

    I hate the break the news for ya, but this is what de-coupling looks like. They are using the mayhem in Ukraine as a window of opportunity. Tokayev says thank you for saving his ass in January though - oh wait, it was the CSTO who did that.

    Kind of an expensive mistake not to leave a 'peacekeeping force' in Kazakhstan after Russia saved the country from imploding.

    But hey at least Putin looked better doing it than the US, according to the geopolitical experts here and elsewhere.

    The elite are much more interested in Brazilian diesel deal ongoing with balsonaro

    None in Russia are spending time talking about Kazakhs except for immigration

    Russia is focused to increase trade with China, India, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Iran, Turkey and the smaller states like Venezuela , Nicaragua, Kazakhstan, Myanmar, CAR, Sudan will get some attention

    But are not at all important for main development of the Russian economy

    The Turks should increase trade locally, as it would assist them with inflation, and gas, but Kazakhs are hardly competing with Turk stream

    It's an old republic with some ties to Russia in the northern territories, but in terms of overall importance, ranks low

    Russia will always lend a hand to Kazakhs if there is instability

    But there's not much to worry about there

    Those problems with Uzbeks also go on for years , it's important to control the immigration from Kazakhstan,

    But economically it's not much to talk about, for China either , yes in the future ONE day it will develop

    But until then, it's better for Russia to look to Brazil and Argentina, Turkey and Iran, China and India, then Kazakhs or Uzbeks

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