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    Post  ludovicense Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:03 pm

    Isos wrote:Sweeden and Finland are nato members since long time ago. Nothing has changed. Thry will just go at the meetings officially instead of being guests.

    Turkey will never get what it was promised. Once they join everyone will "forget" the promises and Erdogan will keep barking with no real actions. They just finish arming Greeks to win a war against Turks yet Erdogan still do what nato tells him.

    Turkey will be next war theater of westerners in the middle east.

    I do not believe that Turkey is the next European theater of war. They probably only gave in out of fear of western economic retaliation that would be devastating to the already reeling Turkish economy. Turkey cannot openly face the West.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:08 pm

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    "It's just to sell weapons....duh..."

    Even Ukraine was just to sell weapons... ohh wait...

    Turn the cope off.

    The more you idiots try to damage control this, the bigger the pain, the more embarrassing the spin.
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    Post  ludovicense Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:21 pm

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    ❗Transit to Kaliningrad could resume in a few days thanks to EU-Lithuania compromise - Reuters


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    EU became concerned about escalating the situation and put pressure on Lithuania. I don't know what the Russian countermeasures would be but apparently it intimidated the Europeans.

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:27 pm

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    ❗Transit to Kaliningrad could resume in a few days thanks to EU-Lithuania compromise - Reuters


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    EU became concerned about escalating the situation and put pressure on Lithuania. I don't know what the Russian countermeasures would be but apparently it intimidated the Europeans.

    Going down in flames over a Chihuahua is just not worth it. I hope all the Chihuahua's have taken notes. Laughing

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 7:44 pm

    Lithuania is a weapon, and the West showed their willingness to use that weapon. It sends a message.

    Lithuania is currently not militarized enough to face a Russian attack today but that may not stay true in the future as Poland continues to beef up and Germany is going to go through a re-militarization build up, to become, in their own words, "the biggest conventional army in Europe", to "protect the rules based order", "protect every inch of NATO territory", "increase its presence in the Baltics (sea)" and, this is the biggest silent warning yet, "increase its deployment presence to Lithuania".

    Now you gotta ask yourself, why just specifically mention Lithuania, and not Latvia which is closer to Russia? These words are all hand picked before going into a speech. The obvious and flat answer is simple. Lithuania guards Russia's land bridge to Kaliningrad aka Konigsberg, and it's backed up easier by Poland. Top that off with Polish elite murmurs about Kaliningrad and you know it's just a matter of time, not if. Not to mention obviously that said speech by the German chancellor sounded literally like a subtle declaration of War against Russia. Even a sweet boy like Lavrov can't help but air out the obvious... "it appears the West is massing a coalition for war against Russia".... no shit. Kaliningrad will be the first domino to fall. One of the biggest, amongst the many delusions of Russians is believing, (after so much bad blood for centuries between Russians and Germans), that somehow revanchism would not come back. But that defeats human nature and the human condition. The Germans want to be free of their shackles, and their subdued anger after 60 years of humiliation will be aired on someone... seems to me, it's going to once again, be Russia. I just hope if Russia were to survive another confrontation with the Germans.... that for gods sake, finish the fight this time, for good.

    The Kremlin has its work cut out for itself defending that enclave in the not so far future... 5 years tops imo before the insatiable itch takes over. Russia better start seriously thinking about this...the clock is ticking. The conventional military advantage Russia enjoys today may be seriously eroded in that theater of combat very soon. Ignore at your own peril.

    So to take a page out of Putin's "book" regarding the "SMO"... "conflict was inevitable, so instead of waiting like WW2, we attacked first". Might wanna take a look at that once again regarding this topic... eerily similar.

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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:38 pm

    I dont think such tweets are necessary in this thread, but it is good to be placed where the propaganda is. It is good that you do post them though as it shows everyone that not only how dumb these politicians are, but how evil they are too.

    That said, Lithuania and EU caved and will allow transport now to Kaliningrad from Russia. I guess Russia really threatened them with something very harsh that made them fold so easily.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:42 pm

    Might makes right. Weakness invites aggression.

    The current balance of force equation has to be maintained. As soon as this balance is eroded in Russia's enemies favor (conventional military power in the region vicinity), as soon as the wolves start to howl, and circle their prey, where a mere sudden miscalculated movement ends in, war. It's obvious NATO today can't defend Lithuania with any hope of success using solely conventional force. However they're clearly preparing to change that... all of their moves point to it, in blatant detail even. That will require a Russian response.


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    Post  ludovicense Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:42 pm

    I posted yesterday on the economic warfare topic but I'll post the update here since for me this is equivalent to a weapon of mass destruction. This news continues to reverberate on social media.


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    Gas shutdown in Germany from Russia means losses of 193 billion dollars - German "Bild"

    The sudden cessation of gas supplies from Russia will lead to a 12.5% ​​drop in the German economy, the newspaper writes. It will affect 5.6 million jobs across the country.

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    As I understand it is only in Germany, put France, Austria, Poland... etc... how much is this account?

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    Post  Mir Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:44 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Lithuania is a weapon, and the West showed their willingness to use that weapon. It sends a message.

    Sending a Chihuahua into battle  as a weapon is not exactly a great choice against the Russians - especially if you want "to send a message"  Laughing  Laughing

    Germany is going to go through a re-militarization build up, to become, in their own words, "the biggest conventional army in Europe", to "protect the rules based order", "protect every inch of NATO territory", "increase its presence in the Baltics (sea)" and, this is the biggest silent warning yet, "increase its deployment presence to Lithuania".

    It will take DECADES for the Germans to rearm to any kind of competitive level and it will cost much more than just an arm and a leg to do so. A price the ordinary German taxpayer is unlikely to pay for the midgets pipe dream.  What a Face

    The reality is the German economy is in deep trouble and it is unlikely to recover anytime soon. Ditto for the rest of Europe.

    The Germans want to be free of their shackles, and their subdued anger after 60 years of humiliation will be aired on someone...

    Didn't they get the memo? Putin is denazifying Europe! If the Germans believe that a revival of Fascism is the way to cut their shackles, they are in for a messy time. Rather they should get rid of the US occupation in their own country.

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    Post  ludovicense Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:50 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I dont think such tweets are necessary in this thread, but it is good to be placed where the propaganda is.  It is good that you do post them though as it shows everyone that not only how dumb these politicians are, but how evil they are too.

    That said, Lithuania and EU caved and will allow transport now to Kaliningrad from Russia.  I guess Russia really threatened them with something very harsh that made them fold so easily.


    II do not believe in the stupidity of politicians, but in bribery and personal interests above the interests of the population that elected them. It's almost impossible for them not to know that there would be side effects. There are technical bodies in every country in the world and organizations specialized in markets with enough information to inform them.

    Of one thing you are absolutely sure: these people are perverse...

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:54 pm

    The message is that Russia's Kaliningrad territory is vulnerable to a blockade, by land and by sea were conflict erupt, and that its rivals will act on it in a much bigger war. No different that Japan reverting to claims on the Kurils on the other side of the continent. They all convey the same message. You (Russia) control this territory today, but it's ours, and we'll take it, sooner or later.

    That message was sent and received. Obviously Russia responds... that is elementary physics... for every action there is a reaction.

    I can't dismiss the Germans ability to re-militarize nor disagree completely with your assessment as I too have my doubts about their capacity to re-militarize to such an extent in such a quick time. The Germans however are not acting alone, but as a pack, as the wolf often, throughout its history, has done..... so they don't necessarily have to match Russia pound for pound, it's the pack that needs to match it pound for pound.

    We will see 3 years from now if the progress has been significant in this direction or not.

    What is clear is their declared intentions and designs. That, is not, in question.

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:13 pm

    Germany, except for the CIA NGO controlled Greens and a few contaminated with the SPD and CDU, do not want war with Russia. On the contrary, it is always the naturally interested of the elites, the economy to have Russia as the closest friend (not only because of the raw materials).

    Therefore, the elites, the military, etc. are now being used as an excuse to get more means of power. The knowledge that the US will fall as king, fall deep and then there will be new rules, even with Russia. Those as they used to be. Then NS2 is also activated.

    But first the CIA Greens have to go there!
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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:33 pm

    Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:Germany, except for the CIA NGO controlled Greens and a few contaminated with the SPD and CDU, do not want war with Russia. On the contrary, it is always the naturally interested of the elites, the economy to have Russia as the closest friend (not only because of the raw materials).

    Therefore, the elites, the military, etc. are now being used as an excuse to get more means of power. The knowledge that the US will fall as king, fall deep and then there will be new rules, even with Russia. Those as they used to be. Then NS2 is also activated.

    But first the CIA Greens have to go there!

    There are always a couple of posters who will come rushing to bear the banner of "a pacifist Germany that deep down seeks friendship with Russia". The posters provide misdirection by pointing out that "the current roadblock towards this grandiose illusive dream is this insignificant variable or that variable". Always, non fail.

    Germany wants NS2, they built it, they won't kill it.
    Germany won't re-militarize.
    Germany won't sanction Russia.
    Germany won't ship weapons to Ukraine.
    Germany doesn't approve of the 2014 Maiden coup.
    Germany is not on board with NATO expansion East.
    Please let us reunify, we won't be part of NATO....
    We want a peaceful united Europe (without Yugoslavia of course... didn't you read the fine print? without Russia too btw... it's on the invisible print).

    Fact of the matter is, throughout its history the German political class and by extension Germany when unified as nation (or under different constructs dating back to medieval Europe) has spent most of its life as Russia's most ardent and significant rival in continental Europe (by any variable imaginable). The times of peaceful cooperation not mired by silent rivalry or even brief allegiance (if you can even call it that) are drops in a bucket.

    There is no bigger fool that one which can't even recognize their enemies as they stand in front of them.

    To those fools I say, keep dreaming, hopefully that dream doesn't turn into eternal slumber thanks to a German manufactured bullet.

    It's what it's.


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    Post  Hole Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:41 pm

    Mir wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Lithuania is a weapon, and the West showed their willingness to use that weapon. It sends a message.

    Sending a Chihuahua into battle  as a weapon is not exactly a great choice against the Russians - especially if you want "to send a message"  Laughing  Laughing

    Germany is going to go through a re-militarization build up, to become, in their own words, "the biggest conventional army in Europe", to "protect the rules based order", "protect every inch of NATO territory", "increase its presence in the Baltics (sea)" and, this is the biggest silent warning yet, "increase its deployment presence to Lithuania".

    It will take DECADES for the Germans to rearm to any kind of competitive level and it will cost much more than just an arm and a leg to do so. A price the ordinary German taxpayer is unlikely to pay for the midgets pipe dream.  What a Face

    The reality is the German economy is in deep trouble and it is unlikely to recover anytime soon. Ditto for the rest of Europe.

    The Germans want to be free of their shackles, and their subdued anger after 60 years of humiliation will be aired on someone...

    Didn't they get the memo? Putin is denazifying Europe! If the Germans believe that a revival of Fascism is the way to cut their shackles, they are in for a messy time. Rather they should get rid of the US occupation in their own country.

    The Bundeswehr has something between 250 and 300 active tanks. The new incarnation of the Leo 2 will likely cost 10 Mio or more. They will buy the F-35. Puff. So fast all the extra money for the budget is gone. Soon the reality will set in, the money is needed elsewhere or the whole social fabric of the country will explode.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jun 29, 2022 10:48 pm

    Turkiye getting 30 Kurd exiles from Norway or Fins , is but a small step in defeat of Kurd separatist . They have been busy in northern Iraq against them . That is not the problem ! Since a viable NATO aligned Kurd region in ME , is also problem for Syria and Iraq and Iran stability . So they should be helped in this regard . The problem is Turkiye activity in sectarian politics in Azer and central Asia , against Russia and China and Iran stability . Here they will be opposed . And no Kurd is going to be of use here . But Iran and Russia and China put an end to their sectarian politics directly . The Turk NATO servant , can kick the master's Dog , the Kurds , and get away with it . We can not do that , without a fight . Once the NATO servant steps outside and out of line , we kick the servants .

    300'000 troops will not change anything in Europe . No threat to Russia . It is a nuclear war area . Useless waste of money by NATO ! Useless joining NATO for defence ! Nuclear umbrella only is useful against attack by either side .


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    Post  Singular_Transform Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:13 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    Germany wants NS2, they built it, they won't kill it.
    Germany won't re-militarize.
    Germany won't sanction Russia.
    Germany won't ship weapons to Ukraine.
    Germany doesn't approve of the 2014 Maiden coup.
    Germany is not on board with NATO expansion East.
    Please let us reunify, we won't be part of NATO....
    We want a peaceful united Europe (without Yugoslavia of course... didn't you read the fine print? without Russia too btw... it's on the invisible print).

    At the moment Germany looks like an deer freezing in the headlights.


    Russia deciding when and how the Gemran economy collapse, and they know it.

    Let see how they could afford to make coal liquefaction plant AND arm factories at the same time : D

    Oh, and they should not freeze in the winter as well.


    Should see the Germans vote for Hitler jr and for the fourth Reich and attack france, UK and USA than to see any wet dream of the Captiol came true.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:36 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:...So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

    Do they?

    Because last couple of time when they went beyond allowed point they got blown up by VKS and skedaddled

    It's how we got those joint patrols

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    Post  Arrow Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:03 am

    https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1542245500363104256?t=EfrqmqwyVem1pJXngVW6vQ&s=19

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:04 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:The message is that Russia's Kaliningrad territory is vulnerable to a blockade, by land and by sea were conflict erupt, and that its rivals will act on it in a much bigger war. No different that Japan reverting to claims on the Kurils on the other side of the continent. They all convey the same message. You (Russia) control this territory today, but it's ours, and we'll take it, sooner or later.

    That message was sent and received. Obviously Russia responds... that is elementary physics... for every action there is a reaction.

    I can't dismiss the Germans ability to re-militarize nor disagree completely with your assessment as I too have my doubts about their capacity to re-militarize to such an extent in such a quick time. The Germans however are not acting alone, but as a pack, as the wolf often, throughout its history, has done..... so they don't necessarily have to match Russia pound for pound, it's the pack that needs to match it pound for pound.

    We will see 3 years from now if the progress has been significant in this direction or not.

    What is clear is their declared intentions and designs. That, is not, in question.

    Germany has no MIC nor the backbone of infrastructure to make the military grow. Recruitment of 100.000 soldiers or even 200.000 soldiers will not work. It is not a military but a defence force and openly speaking about it. That means they never ought to have any capability to arm themselves.

    You can't just simply throw money at a non existing MIC and have a standing modern army within 5-15 years. It will take at least 5-10 years to build a MIC as a backbone and let's not forget about the missing research centers for modern technology.

    You can't build shit in a country that has no natural resources and needs Russia's steel, titan, timber, gold, silver, gas and oil just to stay in economical and technological terms in the 21st century. If Russia decides to block or certify transport/selling of its resources than the EU is pretty much crumbling from this embargos.

    The situation is pretty simple, Germany is still under the shakle of being a loser of WW2 and is not allowed to have a military and even if the West ignores this shakle and Germany will start rebuilding itself it is still at least two decades to become anywhere near where Kokaina was on 24th February 2022.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:30 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The message is that Russia's Kaliningrad territory is vulnerable to a blockade, by land and by sea were conflict erupt, and that its rivals will act on it in a much bigger war. No different that Japan reverting to claims on the Kurils on the other side of the continent. They all convey the same message. You (Russia) control this territory today, but it's ours, and we'll take it, sooner or later.

    That message was sent and received. Obviously Russia responds... that is elementary physics... for every action there is a reaction.

    I can't dismiss the Germans ability to re-militarize nor disagree completely with your assessment as I too have my doubts about their capacity to re-militarize to such an extent in such a quick time. The Germans however are not acting alone, but as a pack, as the wolf often, throughout its history, has done..... so they don't necessarily have to match Russia pound for pound, it's the pack that needs to match it pound for pound.

    We will see 3 years from now if the progress has been significant in this direction or not.

    What is clear is their declared intentions and designs. That, is not, in question.

    Germany has no MIC nor the backbone of infrastructure to make the military grow. Recruitment of 100.000 soldiers or even 200.000 soldiers will not work. It is not a military but a defence force and openly speaking about it. That means they never ought to have any capability to arm themselves.

    You can't just simply throw money at a non existing MIC and have a standing modern army within 5-15 years. It will take at least 5-10 years to build a MIC as a backbone and let's not forget about the missing research centers for modern technology.

    You can't build shit in a country that has no natural resources and needs Russia's steel, titan, timber, gold, silver, gas and oil just to stay in economical and technological terms in the 21st century. If Russia decides to block or certify transport/selling of its resources than the EU is pretty much crumbling from this embargos.

    The situation is pretty simple, Germany is still under the shakle of being a loser of WW2 and is not allowed to have a military and even if the West ignores this shakle and Germany will start rebuilding itself it is still at least two decades to become anywhere near where Kokaina was on 24th February 2022.



    Germany makes its own tanks and combat aircraft.

    Has a thriving shipyard industry.

    Makes lots of small arms.


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    Post  Erk Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:39 am

    Werewolf wrote:

    Germany has no MIC nor the backbone of infrastructure to make the military grow. Recruitment of 100.000 soldiers or even 200.000 soldiers will not work. It is not a military but a defence force and openly speaking about it. That means they never ought to have any capability to arm themselves.

    You can't just simply throw money at a non existing MIC and have a standing modern army within 5-15 years. It will take at least 5-10 years to build a MIC as a backbone and let's not forget about the missing research centers for modern technology.

    You can't build shit in a country that has no natural resources and needs Russia's steel, titan, timber, gold, silver, gas and oil just to stay in economical and technological terms in the 21st century. If Russia decides to block or certify transport/selling of its resources than the EU is pretty much crumbling from this embargos.

    The situation is pretty simple, Germany is still under the shakle of being a loser of WW2 and is not allowed to have a military and even if the West ignores this shakle and Germany will start rebuilding itself it is still at least two decades to become anywhere near where Kokaina was on 24th February 2022.

    An MIC is non-productive, it saps resources that should be going towards sustaining the population.

    The only way the US gets away with a huge MIC, is by having the ability to conjure $USD out of thin air, and use it to import the goods and services required to sustain their population. There are many areas of the US that can't be imported, eg. maintenance of road, rail and other infrastructure, which are in disrepair. The demise of the US industrial economy, was replaced by the bloated MIC. Because the US MIC is private corporations, it's insanely expensive to get anything done. If Germany follows that model it's game over for their society.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:45 am

    Germany makes its own tanks and combat aircraft.

    Has a thriving shipyard industry.

    Makes lots of small arms.

    They ordered US jets and gave contracts for the new frigate to danmark iirc because their shipyards make warships that roll over.

    Best thing their shipyards did is russian yachts. But no more. Lot of people will loose their jobs there.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:07 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526

    Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Suspect pwnd

    Ex-US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would not have engineered the destruction of Libya if she were a (real) woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Razz

    Boria Johnson didn't attack Russia because he is a... lol1 lol1 lol1

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    Post  Gomig-21 Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:47 am

    Isos wrote:
    Germany makes its own tanks and combat aircraft.

    Has a thriving shipyard industry.

    Makes lots of small arms.

    They ordered US jets and gave contracts for the new frigate to danmark iirc because their shipyards make warships that roll over.

    Tell me more about those German warships that roll over, will ya? I have to see this! OT stuff from the Ukraine war thread - Page 2 1f604

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