OT stuff from the Ukraine war thread

Isos wrote:Sweeden and Finland are nato members since long time ago. Nothing has changed. Thry will just go at the meetings officially instead of being guests.

Turkey will never get what it was promised. Once they join everyone will "forget" the promises and Erdogan will keep barking with no real actions. They just finish arming Greeks to win a war against Turks yet Erdogan still do what nato tells him.

Turkey will be next war theater of westerners in the middle east.

ludovicense wrote:Levi
@Levi_godman
Transit to Kaliningrad could resume in a few days thanks to EU-Lithuania compromise - Reuters


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EU became concerned about escalating the situation and put pressure on Lithuania. I don't know what the Russian countermeasures would be but apparently it intimidated the Europeans.

ATLASCUB wrote:Lithuania is a weapon, and the West showed their willingness to use that weapon. It sends a message.

Germany is going to go through a re-militarization build up, to become, in their own words, "the biggest conventional army in Europe", to "protect the rules based order", "protect every inch of NATO territory", "increase its presence in the Baltics (sea)" and, this is the biggest silent warning yet, "increase its deployment presence to Lithuania".

The Germans want to be free of their shackles, and their subdued anger after 60 years of humiliation will be aired on someone...

sepheronx wrote:I dont think such tweets are necessary in this thread, but it is good to be placed where the propaganda is.  It is good that you do post them though as it shows everyone that not only how dumb these politicians are, but how evil they are too.

That said, Lithuania and EU caved and will allow transport now to Kaliningrad from Russia.  I guess Russia really threatened them with something very harsh that made them fold so easily.

Mir wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:Lithuania is a weapon, and the West showed their willingness to use that weapon. It sends a message.

Sending a Chihuahua into battle  as a weapon is not exactly a great choice against the Russians - especially if you want "to send a message"    

Germany is going to go through a re-militarization build up, to become, in their own words, "the biggest conventional army in Europe", to "protect the rules based order", "protect every inch of NATO territory", "increase its presence in the Baltics (sea)" and, this is the biggest silent warning yet, "increase its deployment presence to Lithuania".

It will take DECADES for the Germans to rearm to any kind of competitive level and it will cost much more than just an arm and a leg to do so. A price the ordinary German taxpayer is unlikely to pay for the midgets pipe dream.  

The reality is the German economy is in deep trouble and it is unlikely to recover anytime soon. Ditto for the rest of Europe.

The Germans want to be free of their shackles, and their subdued anger after 60 years of humiliation will be aired on someone...

Didn't they get the memo? Putin is denazifying Europe! If the Germans believe that a revival of Fascism is the way to cut their shackles, they are in for a messy time. Rather they should get rid of the US occupation in their own country.

ATLASCUB wrote:
Germany wants NS2, they built it, they won't kill it.
Germany won't re-militarize.
Germany won't sanction Russia.
Germany won't ship weapons to Ukraine.
Germany doesn't approve of the 2014 Maiden coup.
Germany is not on board with NATO expansion East.
Please let us reunify, we won't be part of NATO....
We want a peaceful united Europe (without Yugoslavia of course... didn't you read the fine print? without Russia too btw... it's on the invisible print).

SeigSoloyvov wrote:...So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

ATLASCUB wrote:The message is that Russia's Kaliningrad territory is vulnerable to a blockade, by land and by sea were conflict erupt, and that its rivals will act on it in a much bigger war. No different that Japan reverting to claims on the Kurils on the other side of the continent. They all convey the same message. You (Russia) control this territory today, but it's ours, and we'll take it, sooner or later.

That message was sent and received. Obviously Russia responds... that is elementary physics... for every action there is a reaction.

I can't dismiss the Germans ability to re-militarize nor disagree completely with your assessment as I too have my doubts about their capacity to re-militarize to such an extent in such a quick time. The Germans however are not acting alone, but as a pack, as the wolf often, throughout its history, has done..... so they don't necessarily have to match Russia pound for pound, it's the pack that needs to match it pound for pound.

We will see 3 years from now if the progress has been significant in this direction or not.

What is clear is their declared intentions and designs. That, is not, in question.

Werewolf wrote:

ATLASCUB wrote:The message is that Russia's Kaliningrad territory is vulnerable to a blockade, by land and by sea were conflict erupt, and that its rivals will act on it in a much bigger war. No different that Japan reverting to claims on the Kurils on the other side of the continent. They all convey the same message. You (Russia) control this territory today, but it's ours, and we'll take it, sooner or later.

That message was sent and received. Obviously Russia responds... that is elementary physics... for every action there is a reaction.

I can't dismiss the Germans ability to re-militarize nor disagree completely with your assessment as I too have my doubts about their capacity to re-militarize to such an extent in such a quick time. The Germans however are not acting alone, but as a pack, as the wolf often, throughout its history, has done..... so they don't necessarily have to match Russia pound for pound, it's the pack that needs to match it pound for pound.

We will see 3 years from now if the progress has been significant in this direction or not.

What is clear is their declared intentions and designs. That, is not, in question.

Germany has no MIC nor the backbone of infrastructure to make the military grow. Recruitment of 100.000 soldiers or even 200.000 soldiers will not work. It is not a military but a defence force and openly speaking about it. That means they never ought to have any capability to arm themselves.

You can't just simply throw money at a non existing MIC and have a standing modern army within 5-15 years. It will take at least 5-10 years to build a MIC as a backbone and let's not forget about the missing research centers for modern technology.

You can't build shit in a country that has no natural resources and needs Russia's steel, titan, timber, gold, silver, gas and oil just to stay in economical and technological terms in the 21st century. If Russia decides to block or certify transport/selling of its resources than the EU is pretty much crumbling from this embargos.

The situation is pretty simple, Germany is still under the shakle of being a loser of WW2 and is not allowed to have a military and even if the West ignores this shakle and Germany will start rebuilding itself it is still at least two decades to become anywhere near where Kokaina was on 24th February 2022.

Werewolf wrote:

Germany has no MIC nor the backbone of infrastructure to make the military grow. Recruitment of 100.000 soldiers or even 200.000 soldiers will not work. It is not a military but a defence force and openly speaking about it. That means they never ought to have any capability to arm themselves.

You can't just simply throw money at a non existing MIC and have a standing modern army within 5-15 years. It will take at least 5-10 years to build a MIC as a backbone and let's not forget about the missing research centers for modern technology.

You can't build shit in a country that has no natural resources and needs Russia's steel, titan, timber, gold, silver, gas and oil just to stay in economical and technological terms in the 21st century. If Russia decides to block or certify transport/selling of its resources than the EU is pretty much crumbling from this embargos.

The situation is pretty simple, Germany is still under the shakle of being a loser of WW2 and is not allowed to have a military and even if the West ignores this shakle and Germany will start rebuilding itself it is still at least two decades to become anywhere near where Kokaina was on 24th February 2022.

Germany makes its own tanks and combat aircraft.

Has a thriving shipyard industry.

Makes lots of small arms.

Big_Gazza wrote:

owais.usmani wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526

Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

Ex-US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would not have engineered the destruction of Libya if she were a (real) woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

Isos wrote:

Germany makes its own tanks and combat aircraft.

Has a thriving shipyard industry.

Makes lots of small arms.

They ordered US jets and gave contracts for the new frigate to danmark iirc because their shipyards make warships that roll over.