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    Post  sepheronx Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:03 pm

    Well, they will get Observer status to start with.

    But as mentioned before, they were defacto NATO anyway. Now this just makes it obvious to everyone that they are in. Issue for Finland though is that they can have forces stationed in their country - but if war ever to break out, those forces are within line of sight of Russian artillery and rockets from within the border. And the Russians may be less inclined to be cautious in dealing with them as they are in dealing with Ukraine. Instead, it could possibly flatten the country rather quickly and say "screw the civilians".

    All this will do is force Russia not only to expand its military in terms of manpower and equipment - but to also put pressure on Finland economically.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:20 pm

    Finland joining a military organisation designed to fight Russia clearly moves them out of the neutral basket into the hostile stack of stupids.

    That means payments in Rubles, which of course they have already openly refused, which means no payments, no trade.

    I rather suspect a closed border and not very much interaction moving forward.

    BTW:

    https://www.rt.com/business/557733-finnair-bankruptcy-sanctions-russia/

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    Post  owais.usmani Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:47 pm

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526

    Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Suspect pwnd

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    Post  Broski Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:05 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526

    Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Suspect pwnd
    I highly doubt that President Maria Zakharova would watch the Nazis terrorize ethnic Russians and Russian speakers for the last 8 years and not send the Russian military in to eliminate the Banderites.

    Can we move anything Boris Johnson says to the "Talking Bollocks" thread?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:59 pm

    🇹🇷⚡Turkey, within the framework of the NATO agreement, demanded that Finland and Sweden extradite dozens of Kurds suspected of "terrorism" - AFP

    Well the 2 cuban clowns forgot to mention this little tidbit lmao

    So I guess with sweden and finland deporting Kurds


    Russia will have no problem with the SDF integrating Kurdistan into the Syrian Arab Republic

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:14 pm

    The other consequences of anti kurd hatred will be not only Russian support of kurds in upcoming turkish operation

    But it will be open season on turks

    And internal Kurdish insurrection could be supported by Russia

    Of course another donbass genocide, or another Armenian genocide should not be allowed to happen

    This will mean fighting turkey with kurds in Syria, as well as support to Kurdish separatism within turkey proper

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:39 pm

    Sweeden and Finland are nato members since long time ago. Nothing has changed. Thry will just go at the meetings officially instead of being guests.

    Turkey will never get what it was promised. Once they join everyone will "forget" the promises and Erdogan will keep barking with no real actions. They just finish arming Greeks to win a war against Turks yet Erdogan still do what nato tells him.

    Turkey will be next war theater of westerners in the middle east.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 4:55 pm

    Isos wrote:Sweeden and Finland are nato members since long time ago. Nothing has changed. Thry will just go at the meetings officially instead of being guests.

    Turkey will never get what it was promised. Once they join everyone will "forget" the promises and Erdogan will keep barking with no real actions. They just finish arming Greeks to win a war against Turks yet Erdogan still do what nato tells him.

    Turkey will be next war theater of westerners in the middle east.

    That and the fact there is ka52, su24, su35, pantsir, Tor, s400 along the turkish border , so kurds will be reliably protected

    If Turkey wants to double deal, Russia will too, and no turkish incursion into Syria will be tolerated , neither in Kazakhstan which is russian protectorate,

    Lachin corridor is as far as azerbaijan will ever go under the current arrangement

    The Russian moves to counteract NATO will be as Zhirinovsky always advocated

    To the south

    Coincidentally Putin is meeting with Turkmen, Kazakhs, Iran, Armenia to strengthen this bloc

    Russia will move south and bloc turkish expansion
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:00 pm

    Putin moves to block Turkey rely upon weaker ground forces, He will never commit the army against Turkery over Syria, he will never have Russian assets destroy turkish ones. The turkish army will have zero problems steamrolling the SAA and whatever militia forces that would oppose them.

    Turkery is pretty much free to advance in Syria all they have to do is drive around the russian positions and just not attack them.

    Clowns acting like Russia will actually shoot at Turkey are Fing funny, Russia is involved in a war in Ukraine, they cannot afford to mess with Turkery.

    Russia has no reliable means to mass transport the men and gear needed for such a thing to Syria, Turkey does.

    So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:19 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61976526

    Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Suspect pwnd

    Ex-US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would not have engineered the destruction of Libya if she were a (real) woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Razz

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    Post  Sprut-B Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:21 pm

    Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he were a woman, Boris Johnson has claimed.

    Bozo Boris is sexist & misogynist?? I thought a feminazi apologist mangina would view men & women are equal. How dare he to assume that a female President would be docile just because of her gender.



    Someone should educate this idiot clown about the Russian Empress Catherine the Great. He wouldn't be wishing for a female Russian president had he knew what Catherine did to Europe.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin moves to block Turkey rely upon weaker ground forces, He will never commit the army against Turkery over Syria, he will never have Russian assets destroy turkish ones. The turkish army will have zero problems steamrolling the SAA and whatever militia forces that would oppose them.

    Turkery is pretty much free to advance in Syria all they have to do is drive around the russian positions and just not attack them.

    Clowns acting like Russia will actually shoot at Turkey are Fing funny, Russia is involved in a war in Ukraine, they cannot afford to mess with Turkery.

    Russia has no reliable means to mass transport the men and gear needed for such a thing to Syria, Turkey does.

    So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

    From hamedan airbase tu22m3 will rocket Turks who commit genocide

    Don't forget su34 dropped 1500 lbs of kickass on turkish special forces, wasting 80 of them

    Russia is controlling Syria, and will not allow any transgression
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:39 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin moves to block Turkey rely upon weaker ground forces, He will never commit the army against Turkery over Syria, he will never have Russian assets destroy turkish ones. The turkish army will have zero problems steamrolling the SAA and whatever militia forces that would oppose them.

    Turkery is pretty much free to advance in Syria all they have to do is drive around the russian positions and just not attack them.

    Clowns acting like Russia will actually shoot at Turkey are Fing funny, Russia is involved in a war in Ukraine, they cannot afford to mess with Turkery.

    Russia has no reliable means to mass transport the men and gear needed for such a thing to Syria, Turkey does.

    So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

    From hamedan airbase tu22m3 will rocket Turks who commit genocide

    Don't forget su34 dropped 1500 lbs of kickass on turkish special forces, wasting 80 of them

    Russia is controlling Syria, and will not allow any transgression

    SAA already fought turkey face to face. And russians already bombed them as a warning. Turkey isn't powerful enough to attack frontaly and win.

    However here we have a different situation. Turkey wants to attack kurds and not SAA. Russia/SAA don't give a **** about kurds but don't want turks to gain terrain.

    Kurds are nato dogs who were sold by them yesterday for sweeden and finland.

    Most likely scenario I see is Turkey getting a deal with Russia to storm kurds but retreats afterward.

    Kurds are about to be badly hit. And I don't see Russia helping them or making a new allience.they will just arm them so that it increases turkish losses. Then both turks and kurds will be weaker for SAA advances.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:51 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Putin moves to block Turkey rely upon weaker ground forces, He will never commit the army against Turkery over Syria, he will never have Russian assets destroy turkish ones. The turkish army will have zero problems steamrolling the SAA and whatever militia forces that would oppose them.

    Turkery is pretty much free to advance in Syria all they have to do is drive around the russian positions and just not attack them.

    Clowns acting like Russia will actually shoot at Turkey are Fing funny, Russia is involved in a war in Ukraine, they cannot afford to mess with Turkery.

    Russia has no reliable means to mass transport the men and gear needed for such a thing to Syria, Turkey does.

    So spare me such deluded propaganda if Turkey decides to advance Russia cannot stop it and the Turks know this.

    From hamedan airbase tu22m3 will rocket Turks who commit genocide

    Don't forget su34 dropped 1500 lbs of kickass on turkish special forces, wasting 80 of them

    Russia is controlling Syria, and will not allow any transgression

    Ah yes that story, first off its impossible to prove if Russia knew or not. Russia has stated over and over they did not know Turkish forces where there.

    Now its possible that's a lie, but there is no way to prove that.

    So in the end the claim cannot be verified and therefore cannot be taken as fact.

    Has for your other claim about T22 well you can make whatever claim you want, the BS you believe doesn't translate into reality.

    Turks have AA and jets more then capable of dealing with TU22 and they can easily over whelm that bases AD if they want.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:54 pm



    Isos wrote:SAA already fought turkey face to face. And russians already bombed them as a warning. Turkey isn't powerful enough to attack frontaly and win.

    However here we have a different situation. Turkey wants to attack kurds and not SAA. Russia/SAA don't give a **** about kurds but don't want turks to gain terrain.

    Kurds are nato dogs who were sold by them yesterday for sweeden and finland.

    Most likely scenario I see is Turkey getting a deal with Russia to storm kurds but retreats afterward.

    Kurds are about to be badly hit. And I don't see Russia helping them or making a new allience.they will just arm them so that it increases turkish losses. Then both turks and kurds will be weaker for SAA advances.

    Yeah and the SAA got their asses handed to them.

    Russia never bombed turkish forces, minus that one time, Russia claims was an accident.

    That could be true or it very well could have been bad intel. So to claim they did it has a warning is talking out your ass.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:57 pm

    yes an "accident"

    Just like "war with Ukraine can end today"

    This is Kremlin speak to aggressors

    I don't believe Russia will allow Kurds to be steamrolled

    After the TB2 supplies to Ukraine, it's time for payback

    And supporting kurds means shit as far as independence for them

    Kurds made their bed, now they must lie down in it

    Russia and SAA are already across the euphrates so Kurds cannot claim independence even if they wanted to

    They are just meat bags against the Turks now

    Let the fireworks begin

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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Isos wrote:SAA already fought turkey face to face. And russians already bombed them as a warning. Turkey isn't powerful enough to attack frontaly and win.

    However here we have a different situation. Turkey wants to attack kurds and not SAA. Russia/SAA don't give a **** about kurds but don't want turks to gain terrain.

    Kurds are nato dogs who were sold by them yesterday for sweeden and finland.

    Most likely scenario I see is Turkey getting a deal with Russia to storm kurds but retreats afterward.

    Kurds are about to be badly hit. And I don't see Russia helping them or making a new allience.they will just arm them so that it increases turkish losses. Then both turks and kurds will be weaker for SAA advances.

    Yeah and the SAA got their asses handed to them.

    Russia never bombed turkish forces, minus that one time, Russia claims was an accident.

    That could be true or it very well could have been bad intel. So to claim they did it has a warning is talking out your ass.


    It wasn't an accident.

    SAA exchanged artillery fire with them and turks couldn't do shit.

    Now Russia will arm them even better since their involvement in ukrainian war to be sure lot of turks die. They will also arm kurds with suicide drones and kornets.

    Turkey will loose lot of vehicles and won't be able to sustain it.


    Javelins will be funny to face for turks. A big stock of nato weapons is waiting to go fight a nato army right now.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:09 pm

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    Isos wrote:SAA already fought turkey face to face. And russians already bombed them as a warning. Turkey isn't powerful enough to attack frontaly and win.

    However here we have a different situation. Turkey wants to attack kurds and not SAA. Russia/SAA don't give a **** about kurds but don't want turks to gain terrain.

    Kurds are nato dogs who were sold by them yesterday for sweeden and finland.

    Most likely scenario I see is Turkey getting a deal with Russia to storm kurds but retreats afterward.

    Kurds are about to be badly hit. And I don't see Russia helping them or making a new allience.they will just arm them so that it increases turkish losses. Then both turks and kurds will be weaker for SAA advances.

    Yeah and the SAA got their asses handed to them.

    Russia never bombed turkish forces, minus that one time, Russia claims was an accident.

    That could be true or it very well could have been bad intel. So to claim they did it has a warning is talking out your ass.


    It wasn't an accident.

    SAA exchanged artillery fire with them and turks couldn't do shit.

    Now Russia will arm them even better since their involvement in ukrainian war to be sure lot of turks die. They will also arm kurds with suicide drones and kornets.

    Turkey will loose lot of vehicles and won't be able to sustain it.


    Javelins will be funny to face for turks. A big stock of nato weapons is waiting to go fight a nato army right now.

    That is the main point right there

    Let the NATO weapons flow

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:21 pm

    Kurds on CIA payroll whose whole claim to 1/3 of Syrian land and control depend on U.S cover/financing will run and switch allegiances to Russia cause some of them will be supposedly deported from Finland? And this is the "unintended" win??? With delusional fanboys like Arky you don't need enemies. My IQ dropped drastically just reading that... jocolor

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:26 pm

    Azerbaijan could not pass lachin corridor and took land from a militia, in NGK, they would have been trashed by Armenia

    Russia took heavily defended land from the most equipped and trained army in Europe by NATO

    With a peacetime force and a regiment worth of airpower

    I read the geopolitika analysis of SMO and I disagree with several points

    For one, the VKS engaged the IADS including S300 and BUK, which is incomparable to NATO SEAD missions thus far facing at best S125 and Kub or Kvadrat systems

    Secondly Russian mercy to Ukrainian cities is not a question of capability , but of mercy and restraint

    Russia fights differently from the west in this theater and sees no point to bombing civilian targets

    Contrary to bullshit about kremenchug

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:28 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Kurds on CIA payroll whose whole claim to 1/3 of Syrian land and control depend on U.S cover/financing will run and switch allegiances to Russia cause some of them will be supposedly deported from Finland? And this is the "unintended" win??? With delusional fanboys like Arky you don't need enemies. My IQ dropped drastically just reading that... jocolor

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    Wasn't Mujahideen on CIA payroll too?

    It will be funny seeing javelin and NLAW in the hands of kurds blowing up western army

    Would not be the first time either Laughing

    And noone said anything about allegiance, the kurds will fight for survival , because they have to,

    And Russia will use the opportunity of 2 US allies killing each other to be the king maker

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:33 pm

    🇷🇺❗As part of the Caspian Summit, Russia, Iran, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan agreed that the military forces of other states cannot be allowed into the Caspian Sea.

    Excellent, turks have giant crosshair painted on em

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    Post  ATLASCUB Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:35 pm

    Lol idiot there is no way to spin the ascention of Finland and Sweden in any positive light. The best thing to do when bad news like this hit, is shut up, admit the problem, and ask yourself important questions, as to, how and why did we get here?

    Any fanboy here that tries to spin this positively is embarrassing himself. The only thing you do by typing garbage and spin is continue to show how much of a clown you're, your ignorance of all of the topics at hand and your agonizing pain deep down. But since I know better about what your purpose is here, and the nature of your account... well, I'm merely addressing the crowd, not really the real you. But that can be said for a lot of accounts here. Total pollution of the topic with absolute nonsense... a side goal.


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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:39 pm

    What should be done is to reduce Europe to ashes with nuclear weapons. Only three countries. Great Britain, Poland, Germany and France
    Wow factor. They would never expect that.
    The main question must be. The Russians are ready to change human history and go all out? In part they already did. One more step to go.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:43 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Lol idiot there is no way to spin the ascention of Finland and Sweden in any positive light. The best thing to do when bad news like this hit, is shut up, admit the problem, and ask yourself important questions, as to, how and why did we get here?

    Any fanboy here that tries to spin this positively is embarrassing himself. The only thing you do by typing garbage and spin is continue to show how much of a clown you're, your ignorance of all of the topics at hand and your agonizing pain deep down. But since I know better about what your purpose is here, and the nature of your account... well, I'm merely addressing the crowd, not really the real you. But that can be said for a lot of accounts here. Total pollution of the topic with absolute nonsense... a side goal.

    They took everyone in nato just to sell them US weapons. Even germany is buying f-35 when it has airvus to make fighters.

    Finland and sweeden were going to enter that organization no matter what. Just line Russian and China were going to be sanctionned no matter what.

    US will always get money from nato members and will always remain on the top with very rich companies.

    Everyone thinking something else is dumb falling for US propaganda like when falling in love and being blind.

    Turn your brain on.

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