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    Post  ATLASCUB Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:58 pm

    Biden let it slip at the very outset that the U.S was willing to entertain limited territorial concessions as part of the empire stratagems many potential outcomes, and the preferable one.

    They will be fine with territorial concessions as long as it's limited to the East. They will do everything in their power (short of starting a world war) to prevent a full Russian sweep of Ukraine.

    Now you gotta ask yourself, why settle for what the enemy has already factored in and is comfortable with (limited territorial concessions)? Why do they want to avoid the full Ukranian sweep? What do they fear that a full sweep does? There is a reason Russia should go for the full sweep, or almost full sweep of Ukraine. Do it and you'll find out, if short on the IQ to figure it out yourself.

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:31 pm

    Moving the goal post again. A few weeks ago the regime called Severodonetsk the decisive battle for the Donbass. Then they "decided" to move back to Lysichansk because it can be better defended. Now that the city is nearly surrounded and attack from five sides they fall back again. Now the new defence line is the real deal. In a week they will tell us that the Kramatorsk area is the real trap for the evil invaders and soon after that some area between Donbass and Dnjepropetrovsk will be the death trap. Rolling Eyes

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    Some new construction going on in Mariupol

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Jun 28, 2022 5:45 pm

    Kremenchug strike was clearly on the factory and not on the mall:



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    Location of the park - red arrow
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    Mall- blue cirlce

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:25 pm

    It is impossible for the extremist sectors of Ukraine to accept that the territories are lost. They have believed their own absurd propaganda and now collide with reality. Likewise, if the government negotiates an agreement, it risks an internal coup. I hope it happens, so Russia crushes the entire western part.


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    Post  Backman Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:25 pm

    The factory was targeted by Russia. Ukraine tried shooting it down and the projectile landed near the pond

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:33 pm

    Backman wrote:The factory was targeted by Russia. Ukraine tried shooting it down and the projectile landed near the pond

    Half of the Ukrainian casualties must be friendly fire. Very Happy

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    Post  Backman Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:34 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Roscosmos published sat images of Decision Making Centre's

    The show is on

    Are you serious ?
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    Post  kvs Tue Jun 28, 2022 6:34 pm

    Backman wrote:The factory was targeted by Russia. Ukraine tried shooting it down and the projectile landed near the pond

    Oh the humanity. Western repetition of this "atrocity" drivel is pure cringe. Every freaking hit on civilians by the US and its NATzO allies
    is always "collateral damage" and "shit happens". But several incidents during four months of the war in Ukraine are proof of Russian
    war crimes. The accusation is the real war crime.

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    Post  ludovicense Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:09 pm

    EndGameWW3 🇺🇸
    @EndGameWW3
    Update: Vladimir Putin told Emmanuel Macron he would rather ‘play ice hockey’ than hold peace talks. ( The Telegraph)


    ..................................


    For those who have doubts about what Putin's willingness to negotiate is, this news clears up.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 28, 2022 8:32 pm

    Backman wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Roscosmos published sat images of Decision Making Centre's

    The show is on

    Are you serious ?

    What do you mean? Yes those are roscosmos photos

    Draw your own conclusions

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    Post  caveat emptor Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:12 pm

    @ Архангельск
    Of course. This is why sanctions were put in the first place. That battlefield is much more important, as winning it makes Russia impervious to western pressure.
    @Atlascub
    Taking whole Ukraine would be a mistake imo. At most, they shouldn't go west of Zhytomir- Vinnitsa oblast borders. Cutting of Ukraine from Black Sea, by taking full Novorossia, plus Kirovograd and Sumy oblast would be a good outcome. Population would be easy to pacify and they would take most of Ukraine's best land, natural resources and industry.

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    Post  Hole Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:22 pm

    Backman wrote:The factory was targeted by Russia. Ukraine tried shooting it down and the projectile landed near the pond

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/new-conclusive-footage-further-debunks-the-russia-bombed-a-shopping-centre-in-kremenchug-fake/

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:44 pm

    ATLASCUB wrote:Suggestion to start all out war? I know you're grade A bullshitter but cmon lol1

    At least you admit weakness and fear in every suggestion you type to damage control.  No amount of tough guy faking can disguise the truth. You fear NATO.

    Anyway I think I've entertained enough idiocy for the day, specially from  clown  clown . Looking forward to the spin of Finland/Swedish ascention and Russia's "asymmetric" response. lol1 lol1 I know the Kremlin scribes and "independent" analysts will be cooking up some mighty bullshit for the dimwits to eat up, and eat it they will, guaranteed.

    Provocative yes , fear? Well war should always be taken seriously as well as the loss of life

    But premature actions should not be taken

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    In the US for example, the Supreme Court rejected Roe vs Wade

    It seems the seed planted by the FSB is giving Washington the things of nightmares

    Because the orange hand from beyond the grave keeps reaching out and spoiling it all for masters in DC

    Some election interference huh?

    The manchurian candidate planted quite a bomb underneath the foundation, and now the great hegemon is heading towards federalization?

    I thought Ukraine was signatory to Minsk 2 not Washington lmfao



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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 28, 2022 10:47 pm

    So Atlascub I do agree NATO enlargement is a threat

    But Russia should wait and see

    Because you never know... by the way it looks a certain Supreme Court Justice now wants to roll back gay rights and the transgender laws !

    If this federalization process works, then Comrade Donald will have effectively federalized the country, negating any actions taken by the executive

    So let us wait and see, because if the Russian agent succeeds , well NATO is the last thing you should worry about

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:31 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:@ Архангельск
    Of course. This is why sanctions were put in the first place. That battlefield is much more important, as winning it makes Russia impervious to western pressure.
    @Atlascub
    Taking whole Ukraine would be a mistake imo. At most, they shouldn't go west of Zhytomir- Vinnitsa oblast borders. Cutting of Ukraine from Black Sea, by taking full Novorossia, plus Kirovograd and Sumy oblast would be a good outcome. Population would be easy to pacify and they would take most of Ukraine's best land, natural resources and industry.

    imho taking half is wrong. You can expect to have a terrorist and cyberthreat breeding ground like in Syria where US backed terrorists reside. Nope. Swallow the whole Ukraine 404. Russian speaking or strategically important incorporate. The rest can be called Ukraine but shall has a colony status with local peace keeping troops and education in the rights direction.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:54 pm

    If Ukraine lays down its weapons, and sign off on the Russian demand

    It would be acceptable to make a deal

    This would provide Casus Belli if they renege on agreement , and would legitimize the territorial gains made

    But the Ukrainians will not take the deal , Russia knows this , but it's good to extend the offer for the sake of optics

    Russia needs to focus on the US elections, this is where most progress can be made in the short term

    And force China to make its own moves as in 2020

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:22 am

    Russia rapidly built two concrete factories in Mariupol, to aid with the reconstruction.

    And it goes on.

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    the assault on Kamyshevakhi in the Popasnyansky district of the LPR


    Russian artillery strikes Ukrainian troops near Lisichansk


    Attack-on-Artyomovsk
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    Notice Aleksey Gordeyevich Yeremenko sticked on the window.

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    Post  caveat emptor Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:40 am

    Pretty good analytical article about historical context of post Cold war conflicts in regard to SMO.
    Original: https://globalaffairs.ru/articles/pervaya-bolshaya-vojna-xxi-veka/
    First big war of XXI century:
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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Jun 29, 2022 1:10 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Russia rapidly built two concrete factories in Mariupol, to aid with the reconstruction.

    And it goes on.

    The RF also send most of the Mariupol child population to summer camps located near St. Petersburg for the summer break.



    good move, give kids an break from the war. and let the RF troops clear the explosives littering the Mariupol streets.

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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 29, 2022 2:19 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Biden let it slip at the very outset that the U.S was willing to entertain limited territorial concessions as part of the empire stratagems many potential outcomes, and the preferable one.

    They will be fine with territorial concessions as long as it's limited to the East. They will do everything in their power (short of starting a world war) to prevent a full Russian sweep of Ukraine.

    Now you gotta ask yourself, why settle for what the enemy has already factored in and is comfortable with (limited territorial concessions)? Why do they want to avoid the full Ukranian sweep? What do they fear that a full sweep does? There is a reason Russia should go for the full sweep, or almost full sweep of Ukraine. Do it and you'll find out, if short on the IQ to figure it out yourself.


    My bet is Russia military will not stop until atleast 60% to 90% takeover of Ukraine ,including Odessa ,
    and everything to the right of Dnieper River. With Kiev and all borders cities of Ukraine with Russia takeover and the creation of puppet states MaloRossiya republic and Novorossiya republic. and after All the territories fully denazified ,with population , re-education of Ukraine real identity ,as a fake western created state ,from a Russian land and support of population high , reintegration with Russia again.  

    Which ever new lines Ukraine territory will have , after Russia airforce achieve complete airspace domination ,they will continue flying over all parts of Ukraine and new Ukraine territories , and will reserve the right to strike at any illegal weapons storage site . or Military  insurgence militia  
    that works for the west .

    The ideal scenario would be a land bridge from odessa to kharkiv sumi ,cherniv to kiev , the entire eastern and southern borders of ukraine ,and another one from odessa  - moldova to hungary.
    Capturing this borders would allow Russia with diplomacy no only create a new pipeline under russia control to central europe. with friendly Hungary being the door , but also create an air bridge with diplomacy ,to supply Serbia in case of a conflict there.

    New interesting report ...

    SEVERODONETSK HAS FALLEN





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