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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:55 am

    Military correspondent of VGTRK Sladkov announced the death of Major General Kutuzov in the Donbass

    Major General Roman Kutuzov was killed during a Russian special operation in Ukraine, VGTRK military correspondent Alexander Sladkov said. According to the journalist, Kutuzov became the fourth general to die during a special operation in Ukraine.

    "Komkor Roman Kutuzov is the fourth Russian general to die in battle. We are talking about our general losses in the Donbas. It's a pity, he was a good man. A native of the Airborne Forces. We started being friends when he was a regimental commander, " Sladkov wrote on his Telegramchannel.

    The military commander noted that in Ukraine "they are trying to pass a law allowing Ukrainian commanders to shoot subordinates who do not go into battle. But here the general stands up and leads the soldiers to attack by his own example."

    "So which idea is stronger? Whose side is the truth on? Ours, since our generals fly attack aircraft themselves, and go on the attack, and die like soldiers. I don't remember such examples in Ukraine," he concluded.

    According to the Telegram ChannelA "military informant", Roman Kutuzov was killed during a battle near the village of Nikolaevka, Popasnyansky district of the LPR. It is noted that the deceased general during the years of service was awarded the Orders of Kutuzov, Courage, "For Military Merit", Honor, as well as the medal "For Bravery".

    Earlier it became known that retired Major General, pilot Kanamat Botashev was killed while performing a combat mission in the sky over the Donbass in May 2022. Awarded the title Hero of Russia posthumously.

    The deputy commander of the 8th Army, Major General Vladimir Frolov, died during a special military operation in Ukraine and was buried with honors in St. Petersburg in mid-April.

    In March 2022, the deputy Commander of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF), Captain 1st Rank Andrey Paliy, was killed in the battles for Mariupol during a special operation in Ukraine. Paliy ensured the functioning of the humanitarian corridor for the exit of civilians.

    https://m.vz.ru/news/2022/6/5/1161767.html


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    Post  diabetus Mon Jun 06, 2022 6:55 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    T-62s are going to the locals, they never stopped using them

    Don't confuse Republicans with Russian Army, different supply chains

    As far as i am aware they always had T-64 and T-72. Maybe some T-55s in 2014.

    Only thing i can think of is that they're running out of t-64s/spares to give them.
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    Post  Ned86 Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:04 am

    Su-34 with X-29
    https://rutube.ru/video/846ea906c2a3f23b63723add694b5a24/

    Ka-52
    https://rutube.ru/video/cbf48035e2ae629dfbfe0bb3c98cfbf0/

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:11 am

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Sure thing. But T-62 should be on its way to Africa or Syria or wherever the **** they want to ship them to. They've been doing upgrade for T-72 for several years now and they've become efficient in it. I don't understand why even taking out T-62 from the storage in the middle of the war, if not for anything else, for fucking 115mm gun. Now you have to haul around another caliber. It makes logistics more complicated. LDPR units were not using it, as well.
    If anything, take T-72B from the storage install ERA and that tank beats T-62 in every aspect.

    That is the very first mistake you are committing.
    Assuming that the Russkies have an endless stock of 72B, which is not true.
    The reserve of 72Bs is being depleted for endless donations, wars, and modernization programs.
    The bulk of Russian reserve anyway, consisted of vanilla 72 and a really big number of 72As. None of them represents any advantage for 62M, as the armor package is almost the same, FCS is inferior to Volna, and none fires ATGMs.
    The second error is the 115 caliber.
    Russian stocks are full of them, and a new generation of 115 mm ammo was introduced in the 80s.
    The tank was made at the peak of the Soviet militarization program, at the peak of its economic might - so imagine the numbers it created at the end...
    The ATGM it fires is just the same round used for BMP-3, making it capable to defeat functionally any tank on the battlefield today. As far as 3BM28 won't impress anyone at the moment with its penetration (still not bad at +/- 480-500mm), all the HE rounds it fires are quite devastating.
    Last but not least, this is the last tank created for mass warfare with the hands of mobilized recruits, being extremely easy to handle. Crew training was scheduled for 2 weeks only.
    To sum it up, it is an inexpensive vehicle, that can be operated by a hardly/short trained crew. It is extremely reliable, easy to maintain, relatively light, and compact which allowed using it in narrow points, forests, urban etc. The ammo supply for it is huge, and the ammo types are quite potent. And they have the waste stock of them, too.
    You can call it an occupation tank if that makes you feel better Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:25 am

    limb wrote:Why do the russians never use S-24 and S-25 rockets for their aircraft?

    They use both all the time. Both the unguided and the laser-guided versions. Mainly with the Su-25s

    There was an article I posted a few weeks back that mentioned them

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:48 am

    Belisarius wrote:"failure with electronic warfare ,in keeping enemy drones blind "

    Meanwhile in reality... The Armed Forces of Ukraine complain that conducting tactical reconnaissance using UAVs has become significantly more complicated due to the operation of Russian electronic warfare systems, which jam cellular communication centers and Internet sources at enemy command posts and make reconnaissance drones absolutely useless.

    https://t.me/asbmil/2000

    My question is:

    Why was there ever a time when conducting tactical reconnaissance using UAVs wasn't complicated for the Ukrainians? Where where these Russian EW systems then?

    Was it a case of Russia being reluctant to deploy them over fears NATO will snoop data on them (which is now going to happen anyway), or a case of bad organization?
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    Post  lyle6 Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:25 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    My question is:

    Why was there ever a time when conducting tactical reconnaissance using UAVs wasn't complicated for the Ukrainians? Where where these Russian EW systems then?

    Was it a case of Russia being reluctant to deploy them over fears NATO will snoop data on them (which is now going to happen anyway), or a case of bad organization?

    Allied forces make extensive use of the same class of COTS UAVs that share the same vulnerabilities to EW which complicates things.
    It will take a lot of experimentation to get the tactics in employing both arms in a mutually supporting fashion boiled down - and of course time to disseminate that know-how to the units.

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    Post  Tolstoy Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:19 am

    Vann7 wrote:Claims of first su-57 strike in ukraine..
    A factory in kiev that had many tanks received by the west.




    finally some tv camera weapons usage . Smile

    they need to do more of this. This is another area ,russia have been failing ,
    in documenting their destruction of ukro army.. that can help in demoralizing them ,to stop fighting.
    And showing their  airforce is doing something.
    Why do they need to do more of this? Su-57 is not needed. Russian UAVs have destroyed similar factories a few dozen times.

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    Post  Tolstoy Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:24 am

    Sujoy wrote:Russian MoD released a video showing Giatsint-S 152mm SP arty engaged in counter-battery firing against a Ukrainian unit of U.S supplied M777 155mm.

    I'm beginning to think, ATAGS are always fated to come cropper against SPs. The only exception is probably mountain warfare where ATAGs may have an upper hand.

    Not necessarily. Counter battery fire can be carried out by towed howitzers and especially MLRS like Grad. Russia can do that too. They are using the Giatsint-S because they had it handy.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Mon Jun 06, 2022 10:26 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed industrial buildings of the smithy-mechanical plant on the outskirts of Lozovaya (Kharkov Region), where the AFU armoured vehicles were being rebuilt and repaired.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit 4 AFU command posts as well as 15 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 73 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 150 nationalists, 3 missile-artillery depots and 1 fuel depot near Kodem (Donetsk People's Republic), 8 tanks and armoured vehicles, 1 Grad multiple rocket launcher, 1 field artillery battery, 10 special vehicles, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station (AN/TPQ-50) near Seversk (Donetsk People's Republic).

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Su-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force near Slavyansk (Donetsk People's Republic). Also, 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Yasinovataya, Stavka (Donetsk People's Republic), Volcheyarovka, Boroven'ka (Lugansk People's Republic), Balakleya, Glubokoe, Verbovka, Liptsy, Mikhailovka (Kharkov Region) and Tokmak (Zaporozhye Region).

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 431 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 34 firing positions of artillery and mortar units.
    The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists, 10 tanks, 2 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 17 special vehicles, 17 field artillery mounts and mortars, as well as 3 AFU misille-artillery weponas depots near Gorlovka.

    📊In total, 190 Ukrainian aircraft and 129 helicopters, 1,127 unmanned aerial vehicles, 330 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,424 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 473 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,795 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,446 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
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    Post  Serberus Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:12 am

    Wehrmacht having a ”blast” in their trenches
    Gorlovka front

    https://t.me/milinfolive/84629

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    Post  Vann7 Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:36 am

    calripson wrote:The USSR lag in microelectronics dates back to the invention of the transistor and semiconductor. Putin didn't invent this issue, but he certainly didn't close the gap.

    Correct , but putin had millions of opportunities in 22 years in power ,to develop the nation towards complete independence of western high tech industry and their asian high tech colonies ,and he did
    nothing. he did not had to rebuild the nation as staling had to do ,after world wwar 2. russia in 22 years with the good scientist they have ,had plenty of time to have a descent high tech electronics industry ,that do all domestically without need of west or taiwan help ,but he totally ignore this.. and now his mistakes are being paid by his military with blood , for not properly
    modernizing the russian airforce ,with enough 100% locally made drones for fighting a war now ,that treaten its own nation cities security as we speak , not enough stealth planes and no advanced high tech weapons , like artificial intelligence missiles , that can directly choose their targets.. and differentiate between real targets or civilians ones. and most importantly no way for mass production of this advance high tech weapons , that require advanced silicon manufacturing facilities , that russia don't have. reason why they need to ask taiwan for help.

    And also a high tech revolution in russia ,could have helped
    the russian army enormously to develop very high quality optics , and real time monitoring of every movement of adversaries army and fully document every target destroyed with high quality videos.. this is very important for demoralization of adversaries ,so they understand they have no chance to survive fighting russia. all this advanced monitoring tech , requires advance electronics, advance nanotech , micro drones . this is why russia lags so much the west in nano tech.. the west did their homework and invested heavily on it.. and putin did nothing.



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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:50 am

    Isos wrote:A plane was shot down.

    It is reported that this is a Ukrainian plane shot down by Ukrainian air defense systems.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 06, 2022 11:52 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    My question is:

    Why was there ever a time when conducting tactical reconnaissance using UAVs wasn't complicated for the Ukrainians? Where where these Russian EW systems then?

    Was it a case of Russia being reluctant to deploy them over fears NATO will snoop data on them (which is now going to happen anyway), or a case of bad organization?

    Allied forces make extensive use of the same class of COTS UAVs that share the same vulnerabilities to EW which complicates things.
    It will take a lot of experimentation to get the tactics in employing both arms in a mutually supporting fashion boiled down - and of course time to disseminate that know-how to the units.

    Still, there is some serious whinning by the Ukro forces that Russkies are flying drones above them all the time. So I guess the balance is shifting seriously in favor of the Russian side.


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    Post  Arrow Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:06 pm

    Yesterday, Russia shot down the Su-27 forces of Ukraine.

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    Post  Serberus Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:19 pm

    Last couple of days Russians shot down a Luftwaffe mig-29 , su25 or 24 can’t remember plus  the su27 in the above post which was either FF or A2A but most likely FF since Rus MOD didnt mention it while they did the other two. I have no idea why they keep sending their pilots on these suicide missions, but then again, its the Ukrainians.


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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:30 pm

    I am smelling a rat here. Russia is using older equipment from the start, because it suffices to fight the zombies, and these claims do not fit at all with the available facts.

    The Russian forces are using older vehicles because they are mostly Naval Infantry and that it the vehicles they use... in Afghanistan they had T-55s... but they were the only T-55s with APS systems installed... seems they lost their faith in APS systems...

    none of russian air defenses "good enough" if they don't shot down those drones as soon they take off ,

    Hahaha... keeping it real... those drones can take off from any where at any time but you demand they be destroyed as soon as they take off...

    The equivalent of demanding the US forces in Afghanistan destroy IEDs just after they are laid in ambush...

    Explains why you think the Russians are doing so badly... noone could live up to the expectations you set... you are being unreasonable.

    The internet is full of destruction of russian positions by guide artillery and drones flying day and night all the time over russian soldiers zones..

    The Internet... the orcs are not shooting down all of the Russian planes let alone their drones, but the Russians are the ones with the problem.

    Air space domination ---> this is what russia needs.

    You keep advising them, you are the space cadet expert here.

    I don't think it's even him. It's a psyop

    Or possibly what Vann is...

    I don't think zelensky will though under any circumstances. Unless he is captured , has a gun pointed at his head and is promised to be released only if he signs.

    So do they capture him ? How ?

    Zelensky has proven to be a bad leader... he made lots of promises and broke them as soon as he got into power... he is a token jewish leader they could claim was proof they were not nazis...

    Killing him on the first day would not effect the balance of power in the Ukraine and another pro American pro EU pro HATO stooge would get the position... they need to hit HQs and buildings with his party to weaken their position along with continuing to defeat them on the battlefield so that eventually the balance of power shifts away from being pro west and more for anti war and pro peace settlement... which might result in Zelensky being couped out of office himself with someone Russia can actually talk to... Zelensky is not going to be part of the solution because he was at the heart of what was the problem for so long.

    I'm beginning to think, ATAGS are always fated to come cropper against SPs. The only exception is probably mountain warfare where ATAGs may have an upper hand.

    Their mobilty is critical... shoot and scoot... quick and easy to set up and fire and then take down and leave... much more important than range.

    There was a video of a Vasilesk 82mm automatic mortar... it was in use by Ukrainians... they set it up and fired some shots and then were about to leave and about 2 minutes into the video they started to receive counter battery fire that seemed to take them out.

    When the Russians and Soviets trained with those guns they deployed them in about 30 seconds... fired off dozens of rounds in bursts for about another 30 seconds and then were gone in about 1 minute and 45 seconds... and that video of the Ukrainians getting pounded shows you why.

    I hope that artillery branch of land forces get some much deserved love after this war. It has shown that it is still Russia's bread and butter, but not much money from MoD went that way.

    They invested a lot in Coalition which is not being used AFAIK... the improvement on its own will be pretty dramatic... and even more of an effect when Russian ships get the navalised version too. Would be interesting if they look at their experience in extending the performance of the 152mm guns and applied the same technology to the 203mm guns they operate too.

    Shows how clueless you are in military subjects and tactics, the m270 is a multiple launcher system , and nato can fire long range missiles from it..

    Shows you are not paying attention... the unguided rockets for MLRS don't go further than 80km as he mentioned... Biden has already said they wont get the long range guided missiles with it or HIMARS.

    but to encourage it in the radical nuclei of its population. If Biden were to die they would be in absolute chaos. It would also be a message for the globalist elite.

    That doddery old fool... expectations on both sides were that he would not last an entire term anyway... no need to kill enemies that are this stupid...

    Why hasn't the derivatsiya been used against quadcopter drones?

    Probably has.... in tests...

    As far as I know the 2S38 is not in the Ukraine, which gives an indication that drones are not wiping the floor with teh Russian forces as Vann suggests.

    The Terminator was going to be equipped with command detonated 30mm cannon shells... and we know there are Terminators in the Ukraine...

    I hope they are very careful about neutralizing all AT weapons where t-62s will be used

    They are not bog standard T-62s... they have the BDD armour upgrades which offers quite decent protection from RPG rounds as shown in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

    It seems like a kh-29T or older kh-59 which also vme with an optical guidance.

    It uses a high quality thermal imager... it is not TV guided... I would guess it was either a Kh-38 or a thermal guided Kh-25... or perhaps a thermal guided bomb... the trajectory seems kinda steep for a missile.. and the size of the target would suggest a reasonably heavy weapon would be used so the Kh-38 which carries a payload of 250kg would be more likely IMHO.

    It might be a Kh-59MK2 model with the box shape and wings for internal carriage on the Su-57 too of course... the thermals are modern.

    Because it's needed, it's all domestic, and uses matured components. It's bullshit that it's not being mass produced.

    It is not fully tested and you want to throw it into war?

    Risky.

    Same for Hermes.

    Same for the drel glide bombs.

    These have been tested in Syria so using them in Ukraine would make sense... but I suspect Vikhr and Ataka and Khrisantema are already doing a good job.

    But most of all, derivatsiya. I want the Russian army to be ble to give 100% of quadcopters a lifespan of minutes, and I don't want any Ukrainian Twitter accounts posting footage from their drones.

    I would think it would be easier to load up the command detonation 30mm rounds into a few Terminators and use those to test the concept first.

    Su 57 is a hunter killer, designed right from the outset to detect and destroy enemy stealth aircraft. Why un necessarily use it against Ukrainian s whose Air Force and SAM systems have already been destroyed.

    The Su-57 is not an interceptor fighter only like the F-22 was originally or the F-15C is... it was intended to engage ground targets too, so practise of attacking ground targets would be useful and interesting... especially if a sneaky attack is required like an HQ target that is emitting signals or a target that Humint has warned about that might have people you want to get but are afraid that launching a missile might give them too much warning to get out.

    Su-57 would be good for getting Zelensky and his clan when the time is right.

    In all fairness though, those M60s are more advanced than any T-62M.

    They might have fancier optics but their armour is no better...

    This is concerning. The hermes is taking far to long to be put into service, so much so that the ukrainians have truck mounted brimstones, but russians have 0 truck mounted small surface to surface missiles. the israelis also have had spike NLOS since the 2010s. What made these missiles be put into service and mass produced unlike the hermes, given that russians have far superior missile technology?

    Stop looking at the infomercial and look at the facts on the ground... Russia has had no problems cleaning up the armoured vehicles of the Ukraine, yet still manages to operate with the vehicles they have which suggests that Kiev cannot say the same regarding Russian armour.

    A truck mounted Brimstone is not the same as Vikhr and Khrisantema on Hokums and Havocs...

    Brimstone is supposed to have a range of 40km or something ridiculous... but tell me how will its super advanced MMW radar sensor tell the difference between a Ukrainian tank and a Russian tank?

    I would expect a lot of own goals.... assuming it even finds any targets... but most importantly it is an opportunity for Russia to get a good look at the system and work out how to defeat it... TOR and Pantsir already can shoot down Hellfire missiles so Brimstone shouldn't be any problem...

    This war should be a proving ground for Russian prototype weapons. You cant perfect a system effectively without real combat.

    It is but I suspect it would be more valuable to test anti drone systems than new anti armour weapons simply because I suspect the Russian forces will struggle to find enough Ukrainian tanks to test it on.

    The bottom line is that ukrainians have brimstones. Russians have 0 hermes.

    The bottom line is that so far the effect of thousands of NLAWs and thousands of Javelins the Russians still seem to have a lot of tanks, but the Orcs don't so the need for Hermes for Russian forces is low... but then how can we assume they are not using Hermes?

    Meanwhile ukrainians are sending all their nazi on the front which keep being destroyed. This war isn't only against Ukraine but against western system.

    The nazis so keen to kill Russians don't seem to be in a rush to get to the front line but they are being chewed up too which is changing the balance from a Nazi dominated force to a force where nazis are a minority and don't control anything... which is where Russia is trying to take the Ukraine... which as you say takes time.

    Turkey upgraded them with 120mm guns if I remember correctly and with modern optics and fire computers.

    Their guns weren't their problem... their armour is average... worse than up armoured T-62s.

    I think this is impossible to achieve for Russia in Ukraine but also for NATO to achieve this against a peer or near pear opponent.

    The definition of air superiority is not that you can operate where you please and never take casualties in aircraft... it just means you control the air and can use it but you wont lose your entire air force in using air power.

    What Vann is confusing with air superiority is air supremacy where you completely dominate the air and anything taking to the air is destroyed before it can do anything, while your own aircraft can operate with reasonable safety in most places.

    The advent of drones that can pop up from anywhere makes air supremacy against a peer enemy nonsence.

    And to be clear Ukraine being a former Soviet state has much higher concentrations of air defence vehicles and units than HATO forces have so defeating every air defence vehicle in the Ukraine would be unlikely by any enemy force, whereas doing the same against a HATO force is quite realistic and likely... while HATO being able to achieve the same over Russia would be zero which is a serious and critical issue for HATO which is so air power centric for attack and defence.

    Now, and I'am no expert on this, I always was teached that the Russian armed forces relied more on rockets, tactical ballistic missiles and artillery to get the same job done were NATO uses its air force for.

    That is very true, and the Su-25 and Hind used rockets a lot but in direct fire mode to get the accuracy required to make them effective.

    Since the end of the cold war however the Russians have developed systems that allow lofted delivery of rockets and presumably bombs to extend their delivery range outside of the air defence capacity of the target... something ignored in the west who prefer using rather more expensive guided weapons.

    Toss bombing is only used in the west for nuclear bombs to increase the distance from the aircraft and the explosion during low altitude delivery.

    They have thermal optics and updates FCS. T-62M, not so much.

    And they are vulnerable to ATGMs from the 1980s like Faggot, and Metis-M.

    I hope that T-62 will not be used anywhere where heavy fighting is going on. This tank is not for modern day fighting anymore.
    Especially, since Russia has 7-8000 T-72 in reserve.

    Those 7-8K T-72s don't have thermals and advanced FCS fitted either... so marginally better armour than the up armoured T-62s and a better gun... but against troops in trenches what advantage is that exactly?

    I have to disagree with this,

    On the Russian border, Russian situational awareness is top level

    You are right... with all their lauded situational awareness and JSTARS and AWACS they didn't hit a single Scud launcher before it had launched its missile during the entire conflict despite having such air superiority and as mentioned they lost a lot of planes to fairly basic air defence systems...

    There has never been a situation where the attacker has no fears for teh safety of their aircraft and there is no chance of a loss of aircraft or sneak attack.

    ok remind me which T-62M has a pretty modern FCS and at least thermal optics for the gunner?

    Remind me which Ukrainian tank is currently operating on the front lines that would require a modern FCS to hit?

    Bunkers don't move so if you hit it with your second shot it still gets destroyed... firing at targets 500m to 1km ahead of the vehicle supporting infantry working their way up to enemy positions is what they will be using it for.

    And what it will be fine for.

    Base T-72 is much better tank than base M60. That's not even for debate. I'm puzzled why Russians activated T-62 with so many T-72 in reserve.

    Perhaps because a T-62/M60 like tank is good enough for the job... and they might have other plans for those T-72s.

    and you believe in that because ?
    let me guess , the west said so?

    You think the Russians wont notice rockets coming from MLRS vehicles travelling 300km?

    If they can shoot down Tochkas then they can shoot down ATCMS easily enough too.

    And when they do they can then start targeting things they have not been hitting so far... like sites in the Ukraine that western intell operate in, and of course they can hammer all the storage areas for everything in the Ukraine and of course simply burn this years harvest of grain and the silos and infrastructure...

    The USSR lag in microelectronics dates back to the invention of the transistor and semiconductor. Putin didn't invent this issue, but he certainly didn't close the gap.

    The lag in consumer electronics was clear and obvious but the lag in military systems didn't exist... hense PESA radar arrays on interceptors in the Soviet Union in the 1980s... the west didn't get AESAs till the 21st Century...

    T-14 will never get introduced in full until they get rid of the old stuff

    The new vehicle families are a new concept in armoured warfare... using the same engine and wheels and transmission in every vehicle in an armoured force means the logistics tail is much shorter and more efficient making the force rather smaller and more mobile and also more unified because there are not hard and soft vehicles... they all have similar levels of protection making them better protected than units of today.

    If anything, take T-72B from the storage install ERA and that tank beats T-62 in every aspect.

    Which is not to say the T-62 is not already good enough for what they expect of them.... it is a much simpler and lighter vehicle with reasonable protection and a decent gun.

    With the correct tactics they will be fine... with the wrong tactics... well any tank is junk in that situation.

    Why do the russians never use S-24 and S-25 rockets for their aircraft?

    The S-25 are used and are popular, but are essentially rocket powered 150kg bombs and are used against rather hard targets... there is a laser guided model of the S-25 for smaller targets, but also HE and HE Frag rockets.

    The unguided S-24 has a similar effective range and a slightly lighter warhead of 125kgs.

    Was it a case of Russia being reluctant to deploy them over fears NATO will snoop data on them (which is now going to happen anyway), or a case of bad organization?

    Most likely the former... plus they were likely shooting down plenty of enemy drones every day and underestimated the number of drones the west is clearly supplying to them so although they are getting shot down they are being replaced rapidly.

    Allied forces make extensive use of the same class of COTS UAVs that share the same vulnerabilities to EW which complicates things.

    It is going to be valuable experience for the Russian forces to learn to deal wiht enemy drones without effecting the ability of their own drones to do their work.

    Why do they need to do more of this? Su-57 is not needed. Russian UAVs have destroyed similar factories a few dozen times.

    And Kalibres and Kinzhals and a variety of other air launched weapons have also taken out such targets too.

    Testing Su-57s might be interesting but I would be keeping it for a decapitation attack to wipe out Zelensky and his entire team when the time is right... hopefully when they are meeting their US handlers... in Brussels... Twisted Evil

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:01 pm

    Serberus wrote:https://t.me/swodki/111105
    Donetsk getting pummelled again today, very frustrating seeing this every day ,  how the hell are they able to continually do this , where the **** is the air response, counter battery, etc ….its Donetsk ffs not some isolated village in the middle of nowhere.

    Remember they are at Avdeyevka,

    All the storms going on are occurring further north

    But near Avdeyevka, Ukrainians are within artillery range to the city

    Thats where they need to hit hard
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    Post  Serberus Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:11 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Remember they are at Avdeyevka,

    All the storms going on are occurring further north

    But near Avdeyevka, Ukrainians are within artillery range to the city

    Thats where they need to hit hard

    As if the last 8 years haven’t been bad enough … Its been 3 fucking months since the Russians arrived, I get the Nazis are dug in at Avdeevka but they still gotta come out to launch grads and artillery ….this is pure bs, RU forces need to carpet bomb that whole area and launch a major offensive or they shouldn’t have come at all, Donets has been absolutely slammed the last 3 days and the Nazis wont stop until they are stopped. YTF is Severodonetsk or Liman a bigger priority than this.


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    Post  MMBR Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:17 pm

    "The more long range weapons supplied by west to Ukraine, the further Moscow will move the line of threat from Neo-Nazis to the Russian Federation"
    - Lavrov

    Did you all hear about Nth Macedonia, Bulgaria and montenegro closed airspace therefore making it impossible for Lavrov to visit Serbia, so he had to cancel it? (apologies if i am behind the times with the news)
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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:22 pm

    Did you all hear about Nth Macedonia, Bulgaria and montenegro closed airspace therefore making it impossible for Lavrov to visit Serbia, so he had to cancel it? (apologies if i am behind the times with the news)

    Either that or they don't get subventions from the european central banks to sustain their economy. I doubt it's their choice.

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    Post  Serberus Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:34 pm

    MMBR wrote:"The more long range weapons supplied by west to Ukraine, the further Moscow will move the line of threat from Neo-Nazis to the Russian Federation"
    - Lavrov

    Did you all hear about Nth Macedonia, Bulgaria and montenegro closed airspace therefore making it impossible for Lavrov to visit Serbia, so he had to cancel it? (apologies if i am behind the times with the news)

    Don’t think it was mentioned here about Lavrov's failed visit but not surprised by the actions of those puppets, just emphasises the situation Serbia is in, landlocked, surrounded by nato slaves and in a real “between a rock and hard place” situation.


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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jun 06, 2022 2:37 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:A plane was shot down.

    It is reported that this is a Ukrainian plane shot down by Ukrainian air defense systems.

    hehe... an own goal in the World Cup qualifiers, and now one in Donbass. Razz

    Poor little Ukro orcs... too bad I have zero sympathy Twisted Evil

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:21 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Did you all hear about Nth Macedonia, Bulgaria and montenegro closed airspace therefore making it impossible for Lavrov to visit Serbia, so he had to cancel it? (apologies if i am behind the times with the news)

    Either that or they don't get subventions from the european central banks to sustain their economy. I doubt it's their choice.

    It also answers folks questions about why Serbia is doing it's own thing and isn't in a rush to officially sign up with Russia or buy too much weapons from them: when even fuckin Bulgaria can make Russia her bitch any time they feel like it what can anyone expect to get from siding with Russia?

    And this is nowhere near the first time it happened





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