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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    But Sky News doesn't want Russians to know the truth it seems, shucks

    I can make a shortcut for ya'
    They are winning on all fronts, and a parade in Moscow will follow soon.

    As for Mr. Sikorski, that would require some more info, as hardly believe most of you even know the guy.

    He is married to Mrs. Anne Applebaum, the Russian eater with deep connections in the US-based entities like Washington Post, and a deep state in general.
    Back in the 80s, he was a merc in Afghanistan, actively fighting the Soviets.
    Later he was masqueraded as a "war correspondent" or just "a reporter", but lots of photos are available showing him with a weapon in his hands not for posing. The story was needed only due to his political role.
    He is a clear CIA asset, being for a while Polish MFA, which speaks for itself already.
    4 years ago, both with wife participated in the Bilderberg meeting, so both are obviously a members of this non-existing organization Laughing

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    Post  kvs Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:52 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

    The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

    That is not obvious at all. We are dealing here with Russian military production and not US or NATzO grift.

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    Post  Firebird Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:08 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/556942-language-discrimination-ukraine-oppression/

    Language oppression is often the precursor or parallel of political, ethnic and other oppression.
    The above link is an account by RT of how the scummy "Ukrainian" nationalists ie puppets of NATO were long long LONNNNNG overdue a good kicking.

    Imagine being made to feel like a foreigner in what was your land for the last 1100 years!

    Still, the pondlife that controlled the Pukraine will soon be learning a new word. Re-Russification !

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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:30 pm

    kvs wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

    The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

    That is not obvious at all.   We are dealing here with Russian military production and not US or NATzO grift.


    Probably even Soviet era production - which would make the missile practically free!
    Besides even a "rinky dinky drone" can cause some serious damage if it's allowed to roam free as we've seen a couple of times already.

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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:31 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    If u mean Frog-7 forget it it's very old out of service and very inaccurate. Tochka and smerch  is good enough for them. Or get Belarus to send them Polonez.

    I think he meant Frog as in French Wink

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:04 pm

    ALAMO wrote:As for Mr. Sikorski, that would require some more info, as hardly believe most of you even know the guy.

    He is married to Mrs. Anne Applebaum, the Russian eater with deep connections in the US-based entities like Washington Post, and a deep state in general.
    Back in the 80s, he was a merc in Afghanistan, actively fighting the Soviets.
    Later he was masqueraded as a "war correspondent" or just "a reporter", but lots of photos are available showing him with a weapon in his hands not for posing. The story was needed only due to his political role.
    He is a clear CIA asset, being for a while Polish MFA, which speaks for itself already.
    4 years ago, both with wife participated in the Bilderberg meeting, so both are obviously a members of this non-existing organization Laughing

    The guy who admitted to giving blowjobs to Washington and went to Kiev a day before the Maidan scaring everyone into signing the document between Yanukovich and the opposition?

    Sure we all know him; he's the most famous bootlicker of the US in Eastern Europe

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:12 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    The guy who admitted to giving blowjobs to Washington and went to Kiev a day before the Maidan scaring everyone into signing the document between Yanukovich and the opposition?

    Sure we all know him; he's the most famous bootlicker of the US in Eastern Europe

    Well, yes and no Laughing
    He was taped while describing the real condition o POL/US relations as "giving them a blowjob", but the funny story is that it sounds in Polish quite similar to the other phrase, which means "giving someone a big favor". So he played Goofy later.
    Plus he went to Kiev to persuade Yanuk for dealing with the opposition, hand in hand with Macron. As we know, they succeeded, but later on, the US supervisors said: "screw the EU" as there was another plan in being.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:19 pm

    Situation with shelling of civilians in Donbass is getting beyoned ridiculous right now. If there was ever a moment to hit " decision making centers" in Kiev, it is now.
    Otherwise it is all empty threats

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:27 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:Situation with shelling of civilians in Donbass is getting beyoned ridiculous right now. If there was ever a moment to hit " decision making centers" in Kiev, it is now.
    Otherwise it is all empty threats

    Absolutely not

    Civilians need to remember for all eternity what awaits them if they even think of staying​ passive ever again

    And Ukrainian leadership must live long, happy and wealthy lives in the West after this as a reminder to Ukrops of their real place in the world

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    Post  Backman Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:33 pm

    The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Absolutely not

    Civilians need to remember for all eternity what awaits them if they even think of staying​ passive ever again

    And Ukrainian leadership must live long, happy and wealthy lives in the West after this as a reminder to Ukrops of their real place in the world

    It's easy for you to say that from Serbia.
    Civilians in Donbass already know who are they dealing with. And many Ukrainian civilians actually support this shelling.

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    Post  Ned86 Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:53 pm

    Star No1 is definitely Ka-52.

    Another video from Russian defense ministry and so for the best video of Ka-52 in action.....
    (RuTube only - can't find it on youtube)

    https://rutube.ru/video/19468894af3a14323402ba5cb5306720/

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:05 pm

    Mir wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    If u mean Frog-7 forget it it's very old out of service and very inaccurate. Tochka and smerch  is good enough for them. Or get Belarus to send them Polonez.

    I think he meant Frog as in French Wink

    Yup, I meant the French.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:33 pm

    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

    The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

    Taking out that drone could be the difference between Russian troops receiving a barrage of artillery from Ukraine or not. It's not as if we are talking about S-400 taking out a drone, sa-13 is designed to take out short range targets and although carry a slightly larger warhead than a MANPAD I would still say it's well worth taking out that drone.

    And techiia foundation(NGO) are fundraising to purchase a furia drone the cost is $132,645. So I would imagine it's actually more expensive than a SA-13 missile.

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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:34 pm

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    Maybe, or he will flee to Florida. I mean, he will be more useful dead to the US than him being alive and all. But if they do kill him off, it may raise too many eyebrows.

    Did you have to repost that conversation to make that comment?

    I edited it out now.

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    Post  Broski Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:00 pm

    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?
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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:14 pm

    Broski wrote:
    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?
    They can't restart production in Russia, as originally, plane was built in Georgia. I believe that building a new model would be better, unless they plan on going with drones instead.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:20 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Broski wrote:
    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?
    They can't restart production in Russia, as originally, plane was built in Georgia. I believe that building a new model would be better, unless they plan on going with drones instead.

    Only 1 version was made in Georgia. Dual seater variant was made in Russia. They could simply opt for a single seat by filling second seat with avionics.

    But the attempt was technically Yak-130 but that failed due to high costs and general lack of protection.

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    Post  ArgentinaGuard Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:29 pm

    Western fervor for Ukraine has been losing steam. Western leaders do not take into account that today's societies are marked by immediacy and novelty. They do not support important causes; precisely because of the moral emptiness that they themselves have caused.
    There are no "sacred" causes and quickly lose interest as if it were a commercial product. Now, let's see how they deal with inflation and the economic destruction they caused.

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    Post  mnztr Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:22 pm

    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

    Various sources say Russia has up to 250 SU-25. Not sure if there is a need to do more then upgrade them, and the heavy drone will probably be its successor.
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    Post  mnztr Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:25 pm

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    mnztr wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:Sa-13 taking out Ukrainian drone

    https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukraine_-_russia_conflict_war_2022/russian_soldiers_use_sa-13_air_defense_missile_system_to_shoot_down_ukrainian_furia_drone.html

    The SAM has to cost at least 10x the price of that rinky dink drone.

    Taking out that drone could be the difference between Russian troops receiving a barrage of artillery from Ukraine or not. It's not as if we are talking about S-400 taking out a drone, sa-13 is designed to take out short range targets and although carry a slightly larger warhead than a MANPAD I would still say it's well worth taking out that drone.

    And techiia foundation(NGO) are fundraising to purchase a furia drone the cost is $132,645. So I would imagine it's actually more expensive than a SA-13 missile.

    Sure but that is why patsir is idea, as it has the gun option. I think you will see more autocannons on tactical air defence as they would be ideal for drone swarms
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    Post  Scorpius Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:34 pm

    Broski wrote:
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?

    Already there. These are the Su-30 and Su-34. The Su-34 is generally a replacement for the Su-24, Su-25 and partially the Tu-22M3.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:40 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Broski wrote:
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?

    Already there. These are the Su-30 and Su-34. The Su-34 is generally a replacement for the Su-24, Su-25 and partially the Tu-22M3.

    Naaah ...
    If something is made for everything, it is good for nothing.
    Su-25 again proved its extreme potency in both surviving and effectiveness.
    Ukros are flying them because those are so hard to kill, not because they have the privilege of making choices.
    They will be out of them very soon, but still operating those a 3+ months into such intense conflict is impressive.

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    Post  Isos Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:47 pm

    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.

    Yes and no. They are fighting a enemy that has no real air power and their AD aren't good against low flying planes which can easily sustain damages from manpads. So very good against such enemies.

    But against an enemy with r-77 or amraam or meteors su-25 would be following from the skies daily. It's a pretty easy target with slow speed and big rcs. Against such enemies they will use drones with stealthy design to drop bombs undetected.

    Most likely wars to happen are the ones against weaker enemies so su-25 has still a long future. China and NATO aren't gonna attack Russia any day soon, they are the only one that have a chance to keep their plane flying effecyively for a long time in a war with Russia.

    But the drone may just replace it totally. If okhotnik is as cheap as 10 million $ then smaller drones will be even more cheaper. A modern su-25SM3 is not as cheap to produce a su-25.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:54 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Broski wrote:
    Backman wrote:The su 25 is certainly one of the 3 stars of this war. I wonder if there's structural things on it that they'd like to change. If so then we need a new model. Production ended in 2017.
    I've always wondered what the successor to the Su-25 will be for the VKS and if they have nothing in the works, will they restart production of the plane in Russia?
    They can't restart production in Russia, as originally, plane was built in Georgia. I believe that building a new model would be better, unless they plan on going with drones instead.

    The Ulan-Ude Aviation Plant has every competency required to restart production of the Su-25 if needed, as they were producing the Su-25UB trainer variant since the Soviet era, and as late as only 10 years ago produced some one-off prototypes that were ultimately rejected (the Su-39 and I believe another 2-seat trainer)

    A different matter though is that there is little need for that. Russia withdrew dozens of Su-25s from service over the last 15 years and should have enough stored in flyable condition to even form new squadrons if needed, but certainly to keep the existing models flying and supplied with spares

    I personally also see more of the Su-25s work being carried out by drones made for the purpose sooner or later.

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