Off Topic stuff from Ukraine Police action thread

Oh Lord have mercy ...
Can someone finally end this drama?

Tolstoy wrote:

flamming_python wrote:While Russia's friends are mostly non-white and non-Europeans. China, India, Iran, Syria, Cuba, etc..

This is one area where Russia needs to invest time and energy. In this list that you have provided the only worthwhile friend is China. The rest are poor and extremely backward. Was making this point in another thread that these countries in BRICS like India, South Africa, many other Asian and African countries have been defeated, colonized by foreign powers for hundreds of years. Today they have Internalized Defeat. Consequently, they just can't help Russia.

Instead Russia should try to drive a wedge between European countries and get as many on board. This might not happen over night but if Russia can invest in such a strategy over a period of time it will pay dividends.

You suffer from Eurocentrism.
The share of the collective West in the world's economy has been decreasing by 1 - 1.5% every year, and since COVID I think the trend has probably only accelerated. They still make up some 35-45% of the total depending on how you count and which countries you include, but it's the 21st century and wasting undue energy on Europe in particular in preference to the 90% of the rest of humanity makes little sense.

And given the hostility of the European elites to Russia - fk em. For the less anti-Russian European countries meanwhile, it's up to them to rethink their priorities. Some have - but geographically have no alternatives; countries such as Serbia or Hungary. Others have British-installed regimes and the Russophobia stuff is simply not popular, such as Greece. But it will be a while before the situation can be fundamentally shifted; the EU will have to be shaken economically first by the establishment of new rules of the game in worldwide economics and balances of power.
In this list I've noted a bunch of countries that by themselves, can not do much, but will against of the backdrop of the situation - take every opportunity to strengthen their own economic and political sovereignty. As every country will do; given that the West has its hands tied dealing with Russia. These countries will do so quietly, without needless antagonism or harsh language, but regardless, the longer this whole situation goes on for, the more the world will turn multipolar. Within this multipolar world, Russia will have friends among all the countries I mentioned and others too.

Scorpius wrote:
So, you were a soldier, you completely lost the war for your country, while you remained alive - and now you think that this is a subject for your pride? Sounds to me like your shameful defeat. Unlike you, we in Russia have been fighting almost completely alone and surrounded, since the collapse of the USSR. We have suffered hunger, poverty, a colossal wave of crime, we have lost tens of millions of lives - and we still continue to fight. In fact, the war for me lasts my whole life - and every day I benefit my country - from working at a factory to create aircraft for my country, to my current job and helping people in the Donbas. And unlike you, I'm not shouting that I'm so cool, since I wore a military uniform. The army is nothing without all those people who create weapons for it, who feed and clothe it. If you don't understand that, well. But don't talk to me about pride here, you don't have it.

You really can't compare Serbia to Russia in terms of capabilities

Everything Russia suffered through was because of its own cowardly and sold-out elite. No NATO bombed Russia, at most they sent some mercs to Chechnya, but even that was a conflict that Russia's elite themselves allowed to happen and grow into what it became.

flamming_python wrote:

You really can't compare Serbia to Russia in terms of capabilities

Everything Russia suffered through was because of its own cowardly and sold-out elite. No NATO bombed Russia, at most they sent some mercs to Chechnya, but even that was a conflict that Russia's elite themselves allowed to happen and grow into what it became.

You conveniently forget how the Yugoslav elites betrayed the USSR, largely contributed to the collapse of the socialist bloc in Europe. So their NATO bombing was a consequence of the actions of THEIR corrupt elites. Besides, I don't understand what the common people have to do with corrupt elites. The elites did not suffer during the collapse of the USSR. The people suffered.
Besides, the conversation wasn't about any possibilities. I only see the drama queen here claiming that everything is shit because he was wearing a military uniform. He don't care that he fucked up the war. Everyone now has to bow down to his swaggering ego.

Besides - I'm REALLY tired of this topic. I am not present on this forum to measure the length of the dick with random morons.

ALAMO wrote:Oh Lord have mercy ...
Can someone finally end this drama?

Let me give this a shot...

Attention everyone, you are all wrong!

Only I actually know what is what...

And I'm not telling you

Just saying

GARRY, THIS IS YOUR SECOND TIME THAT YOU THREATENED ME WITH A BLOCKADE AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN !
DELETE MY PROFILE SO I DON'T HAVE TO ASK FOR THE OPTION TO DELETE IT.

There is no need to delete anything, just stop visiting the site.

You said you hate all Athiests and describe us as what your religion describes and the manifestation of evil on earth... anti christs, how should I react?

Would you appreciate being called a Serbian Nazi?

I'm done with both you and your forum.

That is your choice... just stop visiting... problem solved.

You have RTN and Atlasclub, so write with them.

I don't have anyone. I am interested to hear their views and reasoning even if I don't agree with them... the opinion of anyone on this forum means nothing at all... we can be as right or as wrong and it is possible to be and it wont effect anything at all... think of it being the UN.

I don't want to write with communists and antichrists, end of story !

But if Athiests are antichrists then we are everywhere...

A man who writes that no one is a "tsarist" in Russia has nothing more to write with me.

Which political party in Russia is the pro Tsarist party?

How could the Russians be "tsarists" when the communists killed their entire imperial family?

Hahahaha... look at history... the royal families of the house of Saud and all the other royal families in the middle east trace their origins just over 100 years back right now... they were created when the colonial powers of the UK and France divided up the known oil reserves of what was called Palestine or Arabia... because it used to be divided up into UK and French and German territory and when Germany lost WWI the British and the French split up German territory between them and formalised boundaries and countries and created royal families and regimes to manage their new countries oil supplies.

Modern day Russia could vote in a family to be royal if they wanted it that bad... but they wont... Putin might be a good choice but what are his kids going to be like... it is better to select them with votes than have power run through a bloodline that might be a bit inbred and dodgy.

So who killed the Russian imperial family, the Russian church ? I love Russia, I despise communism, Lenin, Stalin and everything that wants to violently change the centuries-old order in Russia.

There was no invasion... the people who bumped off the Russian royal family were Russians too... no part of communism requires that royal families be killed but a thing about power is that if they didn't kill them they would keep popping up wanting to take back control... which is distracting when you have a country to run.

Civil wars are normally brutal nasty affairs... their civil war was no different from others around the world.

The French tried to wipe out the entire upper class structure in their civil war didn't they?

The fact that you want to identify the Catholic and Orthodox Churches as one and the same is your problem.

They all get lumped together as religion as far as I am concerned.

Who are you writing to about this, man? I live in Serbia and I know very well what those same Catholics think of us and what they have done to us in the past. Yes, there is no faith in the West anymore and the only faith is resources and the struggle for resources.

Well as a species we can answer more questions than we used to be able to, so there is less reason to have gods, so of course religion is going to struggle as education improves.

Last greetings to Big Gazza, Hole, KVS, Airbornewolf, etc. I NO LONGER WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM FULFILLED WITH COMMUNIST, NAZI AND ANTICHRIST (pardon, heretics) .

Bye then.

I and my ancestors are from Russia, and this will tell WE what Russia will be like. Not for you if you don't live here.

I live in New Zealand and am a New Zealander... I would not presume to broadcast to the world what New Zealanders think... all I can say is that this is this New Zealanders opinion.

No wonder Karl Marx once said the"religion is the opium of the people"!

Religion is different and different leads to conflict... it just gives people something else to gang up on other people over...

GARRY, why can I still type messages? I wrote to block my profile.

Because you keep logging on to this site.

This is one area where Russia needs to invest time and energy. In this list that you have provided the only worthwhile friend is China. The rest are poor and extremely backward.

I would say the opposite... China is a potential friend and ally, but India and Iran and Syria and Cuba and North Korea and Vietnam and lots an lots of other countries are poor because they said no to the west like Russia and China are doing now... they are poor because their colonial masters want to keep them that way... promoting internal and external threats to keep them from progressing and developing.

It is a fool who thinks they will get rich washing a car for a rich man... they get rich because they are tight with their money and they make sure they get the best rewards out of any deal to make themselves richer.

Russias future is working with the poor and the weak countries... building them up and helping them and also receiving help where it is relevant... even if it is just good honest trade.

China was a backward shithole not that long ago... no motor cars... everyone had bicycles, but then Japan was a shithole too just after the war... everything was broken and they were desperate. Foreign investment built Japan up but foreign investment alone would not make them the country they became... they had a spirit and a drive... foreign investment in Japan was to rebuild a former enemy to make them an ally against China and Russia and North Korea... the western money that went into China was about the consumer societies the west was creating for themselves... they needed slave labour and they could only get that by outsourcing the work and factories to very poor countries to make their crap.

Over the years many different countries have been that poor country and they keep shifting to new countries as the wages go up...

Russia investing in countries will lead to those countries developing and growing but Russia also receiving returns on their investments... a hell of a lot more returns than they would get from the west and for the country they are trading with they wont need to adopt western ethics or morals or vote with the US at the UN, and they wont be made to change their laws to allow big powerful western companies to come in and buy everything of value and then extract that value offshore to some bank in the Caman islands.

Was making this point in another thread that these countries in BRICS like India, South Africa, many other Asian and African countries have been defeated, colonized by foreign powers for hundreds of years. Today they have Internalized Defeat. Consequently, they just can't help Russia.

You could possibly argue that for India with its large pro west faction, but I would say the others just need a chance without the strings attached that the west imposes.

The west would never trade properly with South Africa or Cuba or North Korea... they think their mindset is too different from their own... but the Russians know they did trade with the west and they have a different mindset too.

Instead Russia should try to drive a wedge between European countries and get as many on board. This might not happen over night but if Russia can invest in such a strategy over a period of time it will pay dividends.

Absolutely not... the people of the west are tolerating being lied to and their leaders blaming Russia and Russians for everything... how can Russians look French businessmen in the eye knowing they are sending artillery vehicles and ammo to murder civilians in the Donbass and Russian soldiers trying to defend them... those civilans are apparently Russian invaders according to the west... despite having lived there quite some time...

There are European countries that Russia could trade with but not for at least 10 years I would say... the EU and HATO needs to sort its own house out because at the moment it is the dictatorship they are claiming that Russia is, except instead of a Putin dictatorship, it is a Brussels and Washington dictatorship with no discussion or alternative views allowed.

By the time Europe is ready to talk as an equal to Russia I rather suspect Russia will have found or developed for itself everything it needs moving forward... so why bother with the nagging and morals and ethics they don't apply to their own behaviour.

You suffer from Eurocentrism.

He does, but to be fair so did Putin and Medvedev for quite some time too... along with many Russians who thought there was a place for them in the west...

There isn't.

And to be honest I think Russia is better off outside the west because the west is broken... it needs to fix itself... but truth and justice need to replace lies and revenge before they can even have a chance.

In this list I've noted a bunch of countries that by themselves, can not do much, but will against of the backdrop of the situation - take every opportunity to strengthen their own economic and political sovereignty.

And that is the point... it is not about Russia creating its own gang of bitches that do everything Russia says... Iran and Cuba are independent countries that don't want to be dictated to by other countries and Russia can respect that and still trade with them. The west wont trade with countries that don't give up their mineral rights to their big companies... and they isolate and contain them... which limits their development and growth potential.

But the world is not a place where you can count dollars to see who is rich and who is not... because the US prints money like they use toilet paper so of course they appear rich... but the debt they are carrying is enormous... if you were counterfeiting your own money and still owed billions of dollars to the bank I would say you are doing something wrong...

And I'm not telling you Suspect

Just saying

The tragedy of age... by the time you work everything out you can't be bothered...

flamming_python wrote:You suffer from Eurocentrism.

Millions of people from those Asian, African countries that you mentioned migrate to EU and North America every single year. They are willing to become citizens of EU, US, Canada, Australia in a heartbeat.

Maybe all these migrants and wannabe migrants also suffer from Eurocentrism.

GarryB wrote:You could possibly argue that for India with its large pro west faction, but I would say the others just need a chance without the strings attached that the west imposes.

Pro West forces exist in India because they invest a lot in destabilizing India. For this exact same reason pro China forces exist in India as well.

That being said, India also follows its own independent foreign policy more often than not. Here is the latest example - Russia rose to become India 's second biggest supplier of oil in May, pushing Saudi Arabia into third place.

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/russia-becomes-indias-second-biggest-oil-exporter-trade-sources-2022-06-13/

And this independent foreign policy does come at a price too. As a retaliation against India, the West is now removing Pakistan from the financial crime watchdog FATF's 'grey list'.

https://www.indiatoday.in/top-stories/story/pakistan-off-fatf-grey-list-1962093-2022-06-14

GarryB wrote:

I live in New Zealand and am a New Zealander... I would not presume to broadcast to the world what New Zealanders think... all I can say is that this is this New Zealanders opinion.

I'm not saying that I represent the opinion of the whole of Russia. But what I'm saying is that only the residents of Russia have the right to decide what Russia will be like. Not some random foreigner on the Internet hating atheists.

People need to have freedom of conscience, but I understand where that guy was coming from. The decline in faith and church attendance directly correlates with the rise in the globohomo madness we all see. If there are no objective norms and morals then everyone will have "their truth". You will see further depravity as the godlessness grows. Dehumanization as seen in transhumanism will also grow and things like the blurring of gender is part of this process of dehumanization and changing of rules in language and ethics and even the sciences. We are already witnessing the beginning of these troubles.

What I fear most is that when people stop worshiping God Almighty they inherently look to the next great power, the State. Cults of personality will become more common. Language will be dumbed down to a few thousand words. Nuance will be destroyed. Things we see as fundamental realities will no longer be so. Everything will be tracked and monitored. The powers at the very top will grow fewer as that power is consolidated as they will become even more depraved than they are now (look up franklin coverup and the Dutroux affair to get an idea of what it is like already). We will become addicted to even more comforts to the point that we will be selling our dignity and autonomy for what I wrote above.

I may be wrong but I don't think so. We live in an age of unprecedented wealth and ability. We could be living in peace and harmony and virtue, but mankind is naturally flawed, and these dreams will never come true. As our powers and powerful creations grow, shit is going to get much darker and much weirder.

Millions of people from those Asian, African countries that you mentioned migrate to EU and North America every single year.

The vast majority will be economic migrants who want a different life.

There are plenty of people who don't fit in where they are. Sometimes they have stuffed things up and need a new start, or they might have trouble relating to the people around them or a million other reasons.

Sometimes a move within your own country is enough but for many moving to a big city overseas is just as scary as moving to a big city at home but potentially more profitable.

Being a New Zealander living in Dunedin way down in the south of the country moving to a big city centre would be moving to Wellington or Auckland... but then if I am going to make such a drastic move then why not Sydney Australia... warmer weather, lots more money, etc etc.

Most people in New Zealand and Australia think Dunedin is freezing cold, but honestly we might get snow down to sea level once every 3 to 5 years... and it will generally fall over night and be gone by the next afternoon. Snowfall on the ground that lasts more than a day has only happened two or three times in my life... and in that time the coldest I have ever experienced was minus 7 degrees C one early morning frost.

If you were to flip New Zealand into Europe we would be further south and much closer to the equator than the UK, and because we are not surrounded by land our weather is very mild... never too hot and never too cold... people from scandinavia laugh at our cold houses that lack decent insulation because it is not cold enough to require fireplaces burning 24/7 during winter or central heating systems keeping everything at 35 degrees C like they are used to.

Anyway, moving to places where there is lots of money is perfectly normal... that is economic migration, and has nothing to do with people judging societies.

They are willing to become citizens of EU, US, Canada, Australia in a heartbeat.

Yep, that is true, because they believe those societies are better than what they left behind... some are misfits, some have capabilities and talents that are not needed or respected in their own societies...

But that ignores the fact that EU, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand have all rejected Russia and are spending money to try to kill them openly by funding nazis... what sort of business relationships are you suggesting Russians have with such morally superior people because remember Russians are the bad guys so if there is trade or business it will be to help the west and not to help Russia...

Maybe all these migrants and wannabe migrants also suffer from Eurocentrism.

They are just looking for a better start for their families that wont be bombed any time soon... from a third world perspective the infrastructure in the west is a dream come true for most of them even if the major cities in the countries they come from also have that too, there is more money in the west, and their own countries might be closed shops where the family name might get you a job... or get you stabbed.

People have always looked for opportunity and always will... there are language and cultural barriers of course, but desperate people tend to apply themselves to the problems and either get solutions or change plans.

Pro West forces exist in India because they invest a lot in destabilizing India. For this exact same reason pro China forces exist in India as well.

There are pro west people everywhere... people who like their movies or their music, or just drink the cool aide and ignore any criticism... it is like religion, you ignore the bad stuff and focus on the good stuff...

Considering the British History in India it makes sense that while the British were there some groups would have benefitted from that, and when they left those benefits likely left too and they probably resent that and think the west is wonderful and fellow Indians are the problem and that they need the Brits to come in and run everything for them again... but of course they are either ignoring the bad things or were part of the bad things that happened to other Indians and don't care.

That being said, India also follows its own independent foreign policy more often than not. Here is the latest example - Russia rose to become India 's second biggest supplier of oil in May, pushing Saudi Arabia into third place.

That is the equivalent of saying the EU supports Russia because they buy Russian gas.... in both cases they buy Russian gas/oil because it is cheap and so it makes economic sense to do so.

Suggesting India was a good ally of Russia would be to say India buys Russian oil despite it being more expensive than all other options, but that is unreasonable and Russia would not expect India to do that because that is not an ally, that is a fool... Russia would not want to damage India by making it pay more for energy just so they could shift their oil.

Think about what that means for the EU buying US gas... the US wants the EU to spend more on gas so their own gas products become affordable to stop them getting cheap energy from Russia with the intent to hurt Russia... but obviously in the same moment they are hurting the EU... their supposed friends and allies.. and helping themselves to moderate profits in gas sales. Russia selling at the same price would make massive profits which means whereever they take their gas product they will make a bigger profit so it wont even help anyone except Russia and the US... the US sells its gas and Russia gets more money for the gas it sells elsewhere, and the EU pays more for energy and cannot source sufficient energy to meet its needs so it needs to return to dirty more expensive coal.

And this independent foreign policy does come at a price too. As a retaliation against India, the West is now removing Pakistan from the financial crime watchdog FATF's 'grey list'.

That is what shows India is a friend to Russia and is capable of independent thought... the pressure and tools of the west to coerse and to manipulate failing to chance policy.

The fact that India will save a lot of money on cheap Russian oil and could sell the oil they don't use for huge profits is just a bonus... and good for you... you are helping yourself and your ally... unlike the US who helps only the US.

The decline in faith and church attendance directly correlates with the rise in the globohomo madness we all see.

Ohh, I would argue getting raped as a child by a priest does not help society and a church that would rather hide such crimes to protect its name and move that priest to different places with other boys to rape is an example of madness... a church that was truly interested in the people would have handled it... like I said... truth and justice... for the priest and the children... and there would be respect for the church... but many see churches as old boy clubs like governments or gangs...

Religion needs to help itself if it wants more followers.

As an athiest I don't care about what religion or sexual choice you have made, or anyone else choices for that matter... assuming they are legal of course.

I think religion and sexuality should be for adults and should be private. If you get a group together that want to talk about god or to try something sexually then as long as they are all consenting and all adults I have no problem...

But someone telling me I am the antichrist... the anti jesus... the earthly form of the devil sent to bring evil to the earth and destroy all humanity... what sort of discussion can I have with such a person.

BTW I just noticed that Devil and Evil are almost the same word... is that on purpose?

If there are no objective norms and morals then everyone will have "their truth".

But then many would argue that religion just took long estabilished cultural morals and norms and put them in writing in a book... I mean before thou shalt not kill there were lots of people who didn't just kill every person around them, but more importantly since it was written down in a book lots of people have been killed by people pretending to be part of a religion that frowned on such things explicitly.

You will see further depravity as the godlessness grows.

You don't know much about history do you... ever heard any stories about previous Popes... in fact in that regard I would say a god fearing person is worse than someone who does not believe in god.

Someone who fears god knows they are sinners and repents and gets forgiveness... problem solved, but an athiest is really just worried about other people finding out what they did to avoid punishment for it... a priest can confess to his superiors knowing they will move him to greener pastures to hide his sins from the local population to save the name of the church.

What I fear most is that when people stop worshiping God Almighty they inherently look to the next great power, the State.

Not even close... Athiests are not looking for things to worship.

Cults of personality will become more common.

They are, but that is about charisma and people can inspire some people.... I would say most cults are made up of religious people disillusioned by their religion and wanting someone real to worship rather than an icon or idea...

But that is just speculation... some might like the ritual, the order, or to be part of a group they can gain power and position in more easily than they could gain position in a church.

Language will be dumbed down to a few thousand words.

Worse than that... words will be twisted and become meaningless weapons... communist is not a description of an alternative political system in the west any more it is a slur like terrorist or child molester or nazi.

We live in an age of unprecedented wealth and ability. We could be living in peace and harmony and virtue, but mankind is naturally flawed, and these dreams will never come true. As our powers and powerful creations grow, shit is going to get much darker and much weirder.

Unprecendented wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people... we live in a time when less than 1% of people own more land and money than 85% of the population of this planet and it is only getting worse.

Redistribution of that is either going to be shocking or painful or both... culture has to change... consumerism was a failure and created a lot of damage to the planet.

Your knowledge is extremely poor & your mentality is ass-backward.

The west has three boxes for people... first world, second world, and third world... the first world is themselves, the second world is commies and their allies, and the third world is the rest of the world.

Blatantly racist of course which is why they don't openly talk in those terms any more... now the second world has gone it is the developed world... and the rest that don't fit into the first world box... which of course includes Russia because obviously cutting them off from the developed world will destroy them.

Not to ignore the plight of people in the developing world, but many places perceived in the west as poor are not actually that poor any more, but Attenborough visits animals on the endangered list, not poor communities developing and growing as best they can.

There are modern cities even in poor countries... like the US and UK...

The irony is that these super poor countries have tiny GDPs but they also don't have over 30 trillion dollars in debt either...

There is more money to be made in developing countries than there is in destroying them... but the west does not understand that.... it tries to build countries in their image and when that fails or they reject it they get on the bad countries list. They will ignore the sins of Saudi Arabia, but punish every perceived and made up sin of Russia or Cuba or Iran or China.

I hope by now you understand the magnitude of Indian economy & military prowess
China + India dwarfs the rest of the world both militarily & economically. Brazil, South Africa are also big countries with stable economy & strong military.

The whole point of BRICSA is that they are all countries with enormous potential that are being held back by the western controlled international organisations... the point of BRICSA is to bypass the west and trade amongst themselves and also with the rest of the world with none of the bullying or controlling the west or the US tries on to maintain its position of power and control.

South Africa could grow and develop and then help other African countries to do the same, and Brazil can do the same in South America, while India and China and Russia are big enough to help the rest of the world outside the west to achieve their goals of development and progress... eventually getting to the point where they can form international bodies that replace the western dominated ones that are so corrupt and biased.

Imagine a world court in a country that is not in Europe or the US...

Today India is so powerful that it can single-handedly destroy all those Euroturds that once subjugated us. Frech, Briton, Portugueses, Dutch.... you name it.

But what makes you better than them is that you now wield the power they once had but you are not invading or attacking anyone for conquest and plunder... you defend yourself... which separates you from those white pirates...

Russia no longer gives a shit about Europe.

Most Europeans think they will come back, but then many Russians think that too, but I think Putin has realised the future of Russia and Russians is not to become like Europeans... just as the 1990s made democracy and free market economy dirty words in Russia because it was a huge power grab by the worst most ruthless type of people, the 2000s and 2010s has made Europe a dirty word too because they will fill former Soviet countries with Bio Weapons labs and Nazis and offer them nukes and free reign to murder as many people as they please... as long as they are Russian or want to speak Russian it is fine... kill as many as you please... what future of trade and cooperation is possible there... or from the current perspective is even desirable?

Lots of western stuff is now removed from the Russian market and the challenge for Russia is to find domestic replacements or replacements from the rest of the world... if they can do that in a useful period of time there is no need to go back to the west... so why would they want to?

Will they miss being lectured to?

Miss their leaders being openly called murderers by western leaders... you don't call a politician a murderer if you ever plan to have any sort of diplomatic relations with them... only Boris Johnson would be that stupid...