Off Topic stuff from Ukraine Police action thread

caveat emptor wrote:https://youtu.be/iEPHT4nN0pg
For Russian speakers. It is incredible that this guy works in MoD. As a head of informational department. Idiot and a scumbag.

Regular wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:https://youtu.be/iEPHT4nN0pg
For Russian speakers. It is incredible that this guy works in MoD. As a head of informational department. Idiot and a scumbag.

What did I watch? I thought I will do quick translation, but be my guest, I start losing the plot at minute 3.

Is he high as ****? To think of it - he is paid big bucks for doing this. My kid does better PowerPoint slides than him - he can't even explain his concepts. He keeps spouting "Sila" (power) and "Pravda" (truth) in every sentence, did he just watch Brat 2 or what?

Get the guy fired and get a young and energetic person who has a grasp on information and information war. Simple.

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Vann7 wrote:[
he assigned up to 100 billion dollars , to the sports minister for sochi and fifa 2018 alone.. so much waste of money , in totally absurds diversions ,that russia don't need at all , and now totally useless

Most of this money was spent on infrastructure. Mind you, they revamped an entire region for Sochi, and those new roads, railroads, stations, tunnels, bridges etc are far from "totally useless" to the ever increasing number of people living in one of the fastest growing Russian regions.

Not even all the sports facilities are useless, Russia has its own national leagues and everything. People need entertainment too...

The most useless part of it all was that it was mostly intended to break through the propaganda and show that Russia isn't Mordor or whatever. That was very naive of Putin and the Russian government.

Vann7 wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:

Vann7 wrote:[
he assigned up to 100 billion dollars , to the sports minister for sochi and fifa 2018 alone.. so much waste of money , in totally absurds diversions ,that russia don't need at all , and now totally useless

Most of this money was spent on infrastructure. Mind you, they revamped an entire region for Sochi, and those new roads, railroads, stations, tunnels, bridges etc are far from "totally useless" to the ever increasing number of people living in one of the fastest growing Russian regions.

Not even all the sports facilities are useless, Russia has its own national leagues and everything. People need entertainment too...

The most useless part of it all was that it was mostly intended to break through the propaganda and show that Russia isn't Mordor or whatever. That was very naive of Putin and the Russian government.

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russian president needs to learn how to invest its nation limited budget in priorities..
RUssia gained absolutely nothing for bullshit  sports contest.. the entire west ,that russia wanted
to flirt with them ,hates russia ,and russia is suspended even for sport.. so all this garbage olympics
was totally waste of money throw into the garbage in cosmetic development of russia.

instead of encouraging a generation of students for high degrees college degrees in science ,math and engineering ,things essential for nation true development ,with the things they can invent , putin rather prefer to promote olympics celebrations.. putin tried to influence the west into a friendship ,hosting expensive olympics and failed big time.
 russia could have used those 100billion dollars instead to re-arm properly the russian military , for nation security you know , so their cities are not bombed.. or their military properly protected ,  when defending the nation abroad. like buying enough modern drones and stealth planes , or a proper space exploration program..   you know things that encourage an entire nation ,its civilians to get high education degrees.. not like sports , that makes people abandon university ,for a pin pong career , of volleyball championshit ,

when a country is run by presidents that dont have a clue of what they doing , the nation never take off , and remains in a state of survival permanently. .  Russia have almost no influence over majority of ukrainians ,specially young generations.. What does russia business have to offer ukrainians?
aside of gas discounts?     This is the source of the russian problems.. is an outdated economy ,
with outdated business.  its development is purely artificial , which is luxury parks , olympic avenues , disney parks ,like the ones they build in moscow ,full of american stores..  
but most of the advance technology business russia have ,for its citizens ,comes from the west.
this is why russia now needs china help , to help russia ,not even another cuba ,with no advanced technology anywhere , since the russian president priorities are gas station business and meaningless sports..   Russia is facing the consequences of their inaction for 22 years in the development of its economy..  they did had the option to modernize the economy ,but decided instead the most lazy thing of all , go with the economy ,the saudi arabia way..  and now russia is paying the price . that heavely depends on its enemies ,when it needs advanced electronics and microships or advanced drones. Without foreign digital cameras ,russia would have no way to manufacture high optics quality drones.


in other words , speaking about the russian "influence"..  with ukrainians.

There are videos on the internet that shows major anti russian protest in kherson..



can anyone confirm this ?

in this is true , this could become a major big big problem for Russian military in controlling
cities they capture. it will not surprise me any bit ,if this is normal to happen in many cities russian capturing.

The Russian Influence in the world ,Russia soft power , is the major weakness that russia face.
When a country have poor influence in the world , it will find major difficulties ,in convincing
people to join the russian world..   The americans without its overwhelming influence of their business and star wars and superman and batman culture ,without its iphones and computers ,and movies ,without their global modern business lead , in the world , would have never convinced ukranians to move away from russia..  people follows nations that lead the way into the future ,that shows it have everything that society needs.. Society ,specially young generations wants to see progress , evolution of their nations , and what putin was offering the "russian world" is  more of the past, to stay attached to the old traditions , and outdated culture.. russia does not compete at all , with the western culture or business ,the only thing it have to offer to ukrainians is cheap gas discounts..  so this is why russia is losing a lot of its young population , they see russia don't is outdated ,not even doing anything in space , and this make new generations of students to think ,they should better move to a more future looking nation ,that a return to the soviet era past.

flamming_python wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:https://youtu.be/iEPHT4nN0pg
For Russian speakers. It is incredible that this guy works in MoD. As a head of informational department. Idiot and a scumbag.

What are you guys on about?

Didn't watch the whole thing, it's pretty dry and stale - but that guy is a federal-level politician, who works currently as an advisor to the MoD in confronting misinformation

Here he is giving a briefing to the Federation Council. It's not a press release or a media interview or some such. The Federation Council is a governing body in Russia, similar to the Senate in the US. I'm not sure how often the meetings are filmed but regardless the primary audience are the members of the council and its to them that Ilnitsky is providing a presentation

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

Vann7 wrote:Putin's import substitution laws ,specially for military ,to avoid using american technolgy ,
in their indust.......

C'mon Vann, tell me more about sPacE dOmiNAnCe!!!!

it was form the Kiev Independent so is independent from facts.

Vann7 wrote:


But without van , what you will have is a forum ,with people , fanboy tards.. only saying the things
that are positive for Russia ,and in total denial of russian catastrophic mistakes that repeats again and again  and never stop.  I was attacked in the forums when i told , that russia was humiliated in the armenian conflict by turkey and azerbaijan.. that they did all they wanted with russia and armenia.
That the whole russia mighty power there , was humiliated ,their mighting air defenses proved to be  inadequate versus a small country like azerbaijan armed with NATO and israeli drones ,that had their airspace infested with their drones , the azeris destroyed russia a couple of s-300s, tors , iskanders ,lots of stella modules.. it was a total disaster.  and when i told in the forum that russia  was ill prepared to fight wars versus heavy use of drones.. people attacked me..  censor me and the millions of excuses. "russia is not fighting there " nana nana, is armenia to blame , even a russian mi35 attack hellicopter full of russians , was shotdown inside armenia airspace ,and putin did nothing..  


Guess what? when the ukranian conflcit started , it was armenia 2.0 all over again , they did major advances , in a surprise blitkreg advance ,but they could not defend their soldiers properly with the russian airforce.  They were at mercy of endless attacks of drones.


So the new excuses ,  ,was "shit happens" or "tell me about a war that soldiers don't die" "ukraine propaganda". You can't talk about the facts freely in this forum , because the fanboys don't want to listen anything negative of russian military. labeled with names , he have to "be gay" , or you are n idiot , etc,   this is a forum full of children , that can't handle facts and reality like mens , and very weak emotionally ,and don't like to receive all the facts.. but only those that are great to listen.

  it all changed but only for a week ,when mosca was sinked ,by "Accidental detonation of warship munition"  

Then the general in charge of ukraine operation replaced for another ,a clear sign ,that the fanboys
in this forums were all wrong , that things were not wonderful as they claimed , that not such "Tactical retreat" happened , russia was kicked the hell out of kiev and from the north of ukraine by force.. it was a disorganized retreat , and there are videos of this , and many soldies were left behind
and they captured and tortured.. and videos published online.. in kharkiv again they forced to leave.
Russian airforce ,contrary to what russia military claimed , did not had "air superiority" in ukraine .
and it was actually ukraine the one dominating the skies in the soft kills by remote controlled drones targeting russian convoys.

Ukraine airspace is heavily contested , with ukraine dominating in drones warfare. and russian dominating with cruise missiles . But even when the destructive power is on the russian side ,the efficiency ,to hit exactly in the right place and the best time , was on ukraine side.


Russia more effective in targeting fortified fixed targets , that don't move..  while ukraine more effective in targeting soft and light armed targets ,that move constantly in the battle field but very imporotants..  Russia more effective in destroying fuel depots and weapons storage , ukraine more effective in destroying large convoys..  

so basically it was not a good war for russia to fight , one that russia don't dominate and is questionable to call their capture of territory a "victory" if they later forced to retreat without much of a fight. It remains to see now if the new general ,manage to kick all this mediocre soviet thinking generals ,and find a substitute for all of them ,  people that understand ,how important is to provide
proper air support , air cover ,to all ground troops ,and not allow a single drone , not even for a minute to fly withing visual range of russian soldiers positions..

this problems of rusia in ukraine ,in not completely dominating a much inferior army , are all related
to the limited capabilities of russian airforce with drones , they don't have that many for the ukraine conflict  and the ones they have in big numbers ,like orlan-10 , is more like a toy ,in comparison to turkish baykatar 2 drones.  next to useless to target tanks or armor with those toy unguided fireworks bombs.

so there is not much to discuss , russia weakness in ukraine..

- russia don't have a well developed drone program , they have good drones ,but how they used
not very good.
- russia don't have enough drones ,for use in ukraine , and can't provide proper protection to the convoys .
-russia intelligence of the ground is inferior to nato ,  even the optics of ukraine drones are superior than the russian ones.

- russia electronic warfare is missing in action, what happened to all those wonder electronic warfare that russian had ,that could block drones from flying?

- russia airforce is the weakest link in the  entire russia military.. is very far for impressive , to not say close to mediocre ,the role of russian combat jets in the conflict.

basically what russia is doing , that allows them to "win territory" is bombing with their superior artillery everything ,flatenning entire cities to the ground ,the mariupol way , scorch earth tactics and naturally ukranians had to flee the place , but will not like to know the collateral damage of how many civilians killed with this tactics.. should be horrible.

So conclusion , yes russia is "winning" the war , but it remains to be see if they can hold territory ,
when nato supply more and more drones and super long range artillery in big numbers and emulate russian scorch earth tactics too , using himars.. if russian soldiers will not be forced to flee too. perhaps that's the reason they building trenches too.

What is clear for me , is that this russian army ,we were told , about , is not anywhere as powerful
as the russian media and youtube trainning exercises made us believe. Russia will need to do a major transformation  to their airforce  and imitate what nato have been doing , of replacing their old planes for stealth ones.. and combine drones with every unit force in their military . russia needs to significantly improve ,their combined arms operation and combined communications , so that many different units ,from ground , air ,and armor ,can help each other ,to minimize their casualties to very  low numbers in the low hundred or better just few dozens and ,not in the many thousands casualties in just 4 months ,when dealing with a much inferior army like ukraine is..   because if russia think it can fight nato that way , they doing to ukraine , then they better not even tried.. an invasion of poland will be infinite times much worse than ukraine if for example nato airforce was bombing russian positions.  it then will be a massacre of russian soldies for sure , since russia can barely protect their soldiers from drones in ukraine , it will much worse , in a fight versus israel ,or turkey or poland. in hypotetical conflict with them.

and a final warning.. for the fanboys..  that don't see any wrong , in russian army tactics in past
months..

it is that my perception is ,that the only reason ,why russian army have not been completely defeated and overrun in ukraine , is because of NATO fear ,that humiliating russia too much ,could
provoke a nuclear conflict. So nato did not send all their best weapons from the very start , including artillery before russia invaded ukraine . If for example nato was supplying from day1,, all their best weapons and was trainning all ukraine army in the use of them , for years.. the history today will have been different.  Even macron of france ,was warning at european union meeting ,to not humiliate russia too much.. for the risk of a major escalation and a nuclear conflict..  
so it seems to me ,that the only reason why the west is not fully arming with all they have to ukraine ,from day 1 ,is for fear of russia nuclear retaliation if ukraine start destroying russian cities with nato cruise missiles for example and rail guns.. which they can do..

and you bet ,that if today russia had no nuclear weapons , nato airforces will have been hammering russian soldiers positions , with cruise missiles and with airforce with total impunity in the ground and russia forced to flee ukraine. In the future however , (hopefully) russia generals will learn something
from ukraine conflict ,how much they suck  with drones infested airspace by nato ,and force russian military ,to modernize their army and their tactics , for the 21  century and how future wars will be done.  all this trench warfare only works , against russia ,  but will not work very well against a very strong nation with all kind of precision strike drones with tv camera guidance ,against smart missiles ,that target moving armor or soldiers in the ground without need of human operation , precision glide bombs with tv cameras , railguns and plenty of energy weapons and laser in their inventory. and with a battle tested very strong airforce armed with stealth planes.

caveat emptor wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Most of this money was spent on infrastructure. Mind you, they revamped an entire region for Sochi, and those new roads, railroads, stations, tunnels, bridges etc are far from "totally useless" to the ever increasing number of people living in one of the fastest growing Russian regions.

Not even all the sports facilities are useless, Russia has its own national leagues and everything. People need entertainment too...

The most useless part of it all was that it was mostly intended to break through the propaganda and show that Russia isn't Mordor or whatever. That was very naive of Putin and the Russian government.

World Cup was good for image of Russia and money was better spent and controlled. Winter Olympic Games were not the case. Some infrastructure was indeed done for the Games, but price tag was too high. Plus, FIFA world cup along with summer Olympic games are premier sport events.

kvs wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:

Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
Most of this money was spent on infrastructure. Mind you, they revamped an entire region for Sochi, and those new roads, railroads, stations, tunnels, bridges etc are far from "totally useless" to the ever increasing number of people living in one of the fastest growing Russian regions.

Not even all the sports facilities are useless, Russia has its own national leagues and everything. People need entertainment too...

The most useless part of it all was that it was mostly intended to break through the propaganda and show that Russia isn't Mordor or whatever. That was very naive of Putin and the Russian government.

World Cup was good for image of Russia and money was better spent and controlled. Winter Olympic Games were not the case. Some infrastructure was indeed done for the Games, but price tag was too high. Plus, FIFA world cup along with summer Olympic games are premier sport events.

The Sochi Olympics cost 9.2 billion dollars.   The 54 billion you always hear about is pure propaganda obfuscating infrastructure investments.
The Sochi rail and road system were transformed onto another level and lots of year round tourist facilities have been built.   The Olympics
were a pretext to upgrade Sochi to a major Russian resort city.    Considering how many Russian tourists keep going there year after year,
the money has been well spent.

Podlodka77 wrote:

limb wrote:The reason russia needs aircraft to fly deep into ukrainian territory is to detect with FLIR ukrainian convoys and artillery on the move.


I also am convinced that sweden will dump most of its BILL ATGMs. Im surprised we dont see many swedish weapons in ukrainian hands given that sweden is one of the most russophobic countries in the world.

The greatest evil on planet Earth is England and I consider them to be Russia's greatest enemies within Europe.
The French certainly don't like Russia, but I'm sure that picture is better than in England (especially) and Germany.
The weakness of Italy is obvious, because only Macron and Scholz appear in the media.
I will not comment on Poland, because that country is digging its own grave. Their hatred of Russia is for mental institutions.
It is obvious that Hungary is not Russophobic, since Orban stated even before the elections that Hungary will not supply weapons to Ukraine and that Hungary will not allow the transport of NATO weapons through Ukraine. I am sure that they are not Russophobic for Serbia, Greece and Northern Macedonia. Bulgarians are assholes, they always have been, but there are also a large number of people who are not Russophobic. The greatest Russophobes are in those countries that lost wars to Russia and are close to Russia; Poland, Germany, Finland, Sweden. Croats HATE Russia because Russians are Orthodox, as are we Serbs.
Everyone else is more or less Russophobic. I don't trust the Czechs at all, because I have more confidence in Slovakia and Austria.
Spain and Portugal; I don't think they dont care. Just follow what Brussels says. They are far away. They are like Neptune in the solar system, far from Russia.

All in all, I don't think southern Europe is Russophobic; Italy, Spain and Portugal. The Romanic peoples are overwhelmingly different. I don't count France here, though.
The same is true for most Balkan countries, except Romania, which, like Poland, is digging its own grave. Problems with russophobia go from France to Finland.

limb wrote:

Podlodka77 wrote:

limb wrote:The reason russia needs aircraft to fly deep into ukrainian territory is to detect with FLIR ukrainian convoys and artillery on the move.


I also am convinced that sweden will dump most of its BILL ATGMs. Im surprised we dont see many swedish weapons in ukrainian hands given that sweden is one of the most russophobic countries in the world.

The greatest evil on planet Earth is England and I consider them to be Russia's greatest enemies within Europe.
The French certainly don't like Russia, but I'm sure that picture is better than in England (especially) and Germany.
The weakness of Italy is obvious, because only Macron and Scholz appear in the media.
I will not comment on Poland, because that country is digging its own grave. Their hatred of Russia is for mental institutions.
It is obvious that Hungary is not Russophobic, since Orban stated even before the elections that Hungary will not supply weapons to Ukraine and that Hungary will not allow the transport of NATO weapons through Ukraine. I am sure that they are not Russophobic for Serbia, Greece and Northern Macedonia. Bulgarians are assholes, they always have been, but there are also a large number of people who are not Russophobic. The greatest Russophobes are in those countries that lost wars to Russia and are close to Russia; Poland, Germany, Finland, Sweden. Croats HATE Russia because Russians are Orthodox, as are we Serbs.
Everyone else is more or less Russophobic. I don't trust the Czechs at all, because I have more confidence in Slovakia and Austria.
Spain and Portugal; I don't think they dont care. Just follow what Brussels says. They are far away. They are like Neptune in the solar system, far from Russia.

All in all, I don't think southern Europe is Russophobic; Italy, Spain and Portugal. The Romanic peoples are overwhelmingly different. I don't count France here, though.
The same is true for most Balkan countries, except Romania, which, like Poland, is digging its own grave. Problems with russophobia go from France to Finland.

Bulgarians wouldn't have been russophobic if they supported bulgaria instead of serbia, greece and romania in the second balkan war, didnt encourage king Milan to attack bulgaria for liberating its land from the turks,  and didn't encourage the brainwashing of bulgarians in macedonia. Basically the fake macedonian ethniocity was a russo-serbian project, which is a shame, because macedonians and macedonian history are even more fake than ukrainians.