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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:24 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Folks here boast about Russia grabbing the resource and geopolitical significant portions of Ukraine but at the same time turn into Stevie Wonder on Syria. Consistency is the key.

    They key takeaway is that the US was on the verge of achieving regime change against a key enemy, but Russia intervened with what was a fairly token force and, despite Western bullshittery about "Russia getting stuck in a quagmire" or "Russia getting a 2nd Afghanistan",


    The fact that you don't realise this kinda undermines any credence you think you have. Razz
     

    Exactly. It was a power play.

    Malaysia has more oil reserves than Syria. It is actually the US propagandizing these oil reserves to big up their consolation prize for losing Damascus. And ATLASCUB is lapping it up. Very Happy

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:25 am

    Copium is to lose your most popular general and icon of the shiite resistance to a missile strike and the best you can muster is a barrage strike choreographed on uninhabited portions of an American base without killing in kind.

    The saying is an "eye for an eye". What you got wasn't even an eye for a poke, but an eye for a flush.

    The Americans will take that any day of the week. It's what it's.

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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:27 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Assad had to go for several reasons:
    To deprive Lebanon of a key ally (and make collapse and a Civil War in Lebanon easier - benefiting both the U.S and Israel).
    To deprive Russia of a key M.E ally.
    To deprive Iran of a key M.E ally, and deprive Iraq of any attempt to look beyond its own border and American control.
    To build a pipeline from Qatar to the EU to ship gas to eat into Gazprom market share.
    To export terrorism to the Russian underbelly.
    To tilt the Shiite/Sunni balance.
    To create Kurdish separatism with the potential to spread to Iran.
    Nice joke. The US are the main ones responsible for irrevocably tilting the Shiite/Sunni balance in the Middle East towards the Shiite side when they toppled Saddam. Now they want to put the genie back into the bottle? Good luck. I think the long term result will be a return of the Persian Empire in its original historical borders. Dolts.

    Syria is a "key" Russian Middle Eastern ally in what regard? The port in Tartus? That is a nice to have but not fundamental. It makes no difference to Russia in the grand scheme of things. And as for Russia's underbelly, you don't know geography that well. There is a vast mountain range splitting Russia from the Middle East. Syria has in fact little strategic importance to Russia by itself. It is all about over extending the US. And the US were stupid enough that they in fact sent troops all the way into Syria that have to defend a landlocked area with supply lines through a possibly restive Iraq. It is a shame the US didn't send more troops there because it will be Afghanistan 2.0.

    The pipeline into Europe from Qatar is a non starter. Heck, the Saudis wanted to build a canal and turn Qatar into an island. What are you going to do? Build an underwater pipeline to Kuwait, build a land pipeline through Kuwait and Iraq, and go through Syria? One of the world's longest and most expensive pipelines through one of the most politically unstable regions of the world? Yeah right.

    Also the fact is Syria and Lebanon are distractions for Iran. Were they able to focus 100% on merging with Iraq they would be in a much stronger position.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:32 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:I sense the endgame soon after donetsk

    Agree with your post except for the last sentence.

    Russia should keep this SMO going until the end of the summer as a minimum, but preferably at least until the snows again start to fall.  Keep grinding ukro manpower, consume their human resources and take away any option of building a mythical "2nd army" in the bowels of Banderstan for some promised "counterattack".

    Russia needs to make Ukraine into an example of what happen to dumb cnts who mock Russia and her people.  Repress ethnic Russians and launch pogroms against them and Russia will step in, grab you by the feet, swing you around, and then crack yer heads into the wall and dash out yer brains. Twisted Evil

    Western and East european clowns need to feel equal quantities of fear and respect when Russia is discussed. Fck with the Bear at your own peril.

    Saaki tried it in 2008 when the Bear was dozing and at least partially caged. He lived to regret his idiocy.   Zelensky was stoopid enough to try it and his fate will be harsher still.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:39 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:Copium is to lose your most popular general and icon of the shiite resistance to a missile strike and the best you can muster is a barrage strike choreographed on uninhabited portions of an American base without killing in kind.

    The saying is an "eye for an eye". What you got wasn't even an eye for a poke, but an eye for a flush.

    The Americans will take that any day of the week. It's what it's.

    Yeah sure, Murkans are OK with Iran hitting their bases with missiles as long as grunts aren't turned into mulch... Thats like being Ok with the black guy next door screwing yer wife, as long as she doesn't get a bun in the oven... clown

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:41 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    sundoesntrise wrote:

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?
    So rather than debate the points Ritter raises, you chose to personally attack him for something totally unrelated to the Ukraine conflict. What kind of agenda do you really have here?

    I learnt a lot about Ukraine and Russia from Ritter, he is a good journalist, he spent many years living in Russia during the nuclear disarmament period. You might be better off reading one of his books about it, rather than posting about FBI smear stings.

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/disarmament-in-the-time-of-perestroika-scott-ritter/1141191701

    I understand that this conflict awakens tribalism and ideological purity spirals in many, but covering for a convicted pedo and highly probable traitor is something I'll never condone.

    As for analysis, they only look good on paper. You can only be wrong so often without losing credentials. Likewise when the local hamburguesa joint (LOL at the guy who thinks I am a Flip) serves me uncooked burgers for 9 days in a row, the 10th day I won't visit his store anymore no matter how appealing his ads look, and no matter how smooth his talks are.

    This is basic stuff.

    Just thinking aloud, why is it that everyone who goes against the American establishment, especially its intel apparatus is always a traitor, a commie, a terrorist, and/or sexual deviant, and or suicidal, and/or killed in an altercation with law enforcement?  Martin Luther King, remember him? J Edgar worked so hard to get him in bed with a prostitute and ah look it his dissertation was plagiarized and he was a dirty commie and one of his lieutenants was a homosexual and J Edgar Hoover and the FBI made sure everyone knew.  Why would they do that in the 60s? Simple, in the 50s and 60s King and co dared challenge a system.  Fred Hampton,  a leader of the Black Panthers was drugged and assassinated point blank by the Chicago PD and yet the official cause of death shootout with the police, they claimed he fired at them some twenty times and yet the evidence eventually showed one of his lieutenants got off one shot that went into the ceiling.

    Moving to more recent times, Abbie Hoffman of Steal This Book fame questioned the power of the FBI and CIA and well the boy done gone shot himself in the 80s and he was an alleged traitor and sexual deviant.  Ed Snowden? Whistle blower and now in Moscow, if ya takes shelter in Putinland you be a traitor.  Julian Assange? Traitor and deviant ignore wikileaks, he raped a girl even though she dropped charges but he is in prison awaiting extradition.  Scott Ritter? Same thing.  Sorry, but always recognize a smear campaign for what it is.

    Now let's say for a moment that Scott Ritter and Julian Assange are sexual predators.  Fine, punish them for that, but that in no way should invalidate anything they have researched and brought to life.  




    I think the extreme preoccupation with sex is an R1b y-dna paternal ancestry trait.

    A race of people that mass raped and genocided others like nobody else did.


    Talking of people who served time in prison, it is interesting that the whole "famine-genocide" fabrication was carried-out by a man who escaped from a prison in Colorado, but that does not seem to bother the fervent anti-Communists and right-wingers.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html


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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:46 am

    You're bad at understanding geopolitics and even worse at analogies  lol1 . But a dimwitt like you has been well known around these parts, and part of the group before the SMO who got it all wrong. "Rich" post history. So I'm not surprised.

    There is only one mode you work on... russia russia "Eyes on the prize gentleman." lol1

    It's ok. I can't make you not be stupid. It's not my goal either.


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    Post  lancelot Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:47 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:Copium is to lose your most popular general and icon of the shiite resistance to a missile strike and the best you can muster is a barrage strike choreographed on uninhabited portions of an American base without killing in kind.

    The saying is an "eye for an eye". What you got wasn't even an eye for a poke, but an eye for a flush.

    The Americans will take that any day of the week. It's what it's.

    Yeah sure, Murkans are OK with Iran hitting their bases with missiles as long as grunts aren't turned into mulch... Thats like being Ok with the black guy next door screwing yer wife, as long as she doesn't get a bun in the oven...
    The Iranians said they would reserve the time and place(s) they would strike.
    ATLASCUB already forgot the Iranian missile strike on that compound near the US embassy in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Iranians claimed it was a Mossad meeting place. The US claimed its embassy was not hit by the strike and none of its staff died. Guess what. A couple days later there were C-17 flights with caskets inside flying towards the US. So, does the US fly around carrying empty caskets on C-17s?

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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:49 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:If the smart dimwitts say so. So much nonsense to unpack in two posts it's not even worth the effort.

    To build a pipeline from Qatar to the EU to ship gas to eat into Gazprom market share.


    That list you made was just some abstract mumbo jumbo bullshit.

    Big oil in Qatar and big oil in Russia are basically allies.

    May 8, 2018 - Qatar is reportedly in talks to buy nearly a 19 percent stake in Rosneft,
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/china-s-cefc-won-t-buy-rosneft-shares-from-glencore-led-group#xj4y7vzkg

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:51 am

    Once you both decide on the official line response let me know. clown

    As for Qatar and Russia allies? lol1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Udeid_Air_Base
    http://ig-legacy.ft.com/content/86e3f28e-be3a-11e2-bb35-00144feab7de

    With a little more prodding and desperation we'll soon find out Merkel and Putin are a secret couple and the SMO is just a 6D chess diversion to trick the U.S.

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    Post  Backman Sat Jun 04, 2022 4:58 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:You're bad at understanding geopolitics and even worse at analogies  lol1 . But a dimwitt like you has been well known around these parts, and part of the group before the SMO who got it all wrong. "Rich" post history. So I'm not surprised.

    There is only one mode you work on... russia russia "Eyes on the prize gentleman." lol1

    It's ok. I can't make you not be stupid. It's not my goal either.

    You've demonstrated that you know next to nothing about geopolitics. dunno

    Calling Syria a resource war that the US won because its sitting on a drop of oil smaller than Argentina's.

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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:03 am

    I haven't said the U.S won the war on Syria or that it was a "resource war". You're creating a strawman like a two year old dolt to argue with yourself.

    If you can find and quote where I explicitly state it then do so. Otherwise being the desperate clown you have shown to be, dropping dislikes on every single post like a triggered bitch, you should fall back and stfu and reflect on your state of mind. Newsflash, it ain't healthy.

    Now making shit up. Stay mad.
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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:22 am

    lyle6 wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S with the Kurds control 1/3 of Syria, the resource rich part, while the Turks and terrorists control parts of the north and Syria is a frozen conflict with no end or political solution in sight.

    Folks here boast about Russia grabbing the resource and geopolitical significant portions of Ukraine but at the same time turn into Stevie Wonder on Syria. Consistency is the key.
    That rump Kurdistan only cost the US their relationship with Turkey, and is still paying dividends - no one's getting in NATO without the Sultan's consent.  
    Maybe Putin should write a book. Call it the "Art of the Deil" as only a diabolical mastermind can masterfully set these clever traps and make his opponent thank him for the privilege.

    That Sultan is shipping boatloads of drones to Ukraine to kill Russians, cockblocked Russia in Libya, cockblocked Russia in northern Syria, on top of being the main vein of attack to Syria, and egged on, planned, and supported Azerbaijan in the conflict with Armenia, indirectly challenging Russia's security guarantor status in Central Asia. Those very same Turks are still part of the NATO allegiance, and currently hold the key to the Turkstream pipeline.

    The Turks are playing their own game, as they should. If the ace in the hole for Russia preventing Swedish/Finland ascension is the Turkish Sultan... I don't know what to say except, good luck! They've clearly stated their price, which boils down to, in essence, a bit of respect and love from the empire. It's totally within the empire's hands to do a transactional deal to get it done. It's crumbs when you look at it.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:32 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:
    lyle6 wrote:
    ATLASCUB wrote:The U.S with the Kurds control 1/3 of Syria, the resource rich part, while the Turks and terrorists control parts of the north and Syria is a frozen conflict with no end or political solution in sight.

    Folks here boast about Russia grabbing the resource and geopolitical significant portions of Ukraine but at the same time turn into Stevie Wonder on Syria. Consistency is the key.
    That rump Kurdistan only cost the US their relationship with Turkey, and is still paying dividends - no one's getting in NATO without the Sultan's consent.  
    Maybe Putin should write a book. Call it the "Art of the Deil" as only a diabolical mastermind can masterfully set these clever traps and make his opponent thank him for the privilege.

    That Sultan is shipping boatloads of drones to Ukraine to kill Russians, cockblocked Russia in Libya, cockblocked Russia in northern Syria, on top of being the main vein of attack to Syria, and egged on, planned, and supported Azerbaijan in the conflict with Armenia, indirectly challenging Russia's security guarantor status in Central Asia. Those very same Turks are still part of the NATO allegiance, and currently hold the key to the Turkstream pipeline.

    The Turks are playing their own game, as they should. If the ace in the hole for Russia preventing Swedish/Finland ascension is the Turkish Sultan... I don't know what to say except, good luck! They've clearly stated their price, which boils down to, in essence, a bit of respect and love from the empire. It's totally within the empire's hands to do a transactional deal to get it done. It's crumbs when you look at it.



    Turkey has been more of a practical use for Russia, than the seriously over-hyped and very costly Cuba.

    Neither Libya nor Syria are super essential to Russia.

    Armenia had always pro-Western sympathies, making it into a "loyal ally of Russia" only because it is Eastern Orthodox is misguided. By 2020 it had a pro-Western government.



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    Post  ATLASCUB Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:36 am

    What does Turkey having more practical use for Russia has to do with anything that I said?

    Of course it does, it's an 80 million pop country that has been a geopolitical thorn for Russia for centuries. News at 11. Russia would love to have it on their allied camp... except its rival does. It's what it's.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sat Jun 04, 2022 5:45 am

    ATLASCUB wrote:What does Turkey having more practical use for Russia has to do with anything that I said?

    Of course it does, it's an 80 million pop country that has been a geopolitical thorn for Russia for centuries. News at 11. Russia would love to have it on their allied camp... except its rival does. It's what it's.



    Probably more like 70 million, including 20 million Kurds? So it is not that dangerous.

    Majority of the Russo-Turkish wars were won by Russia. unshaven


    Those Turkish Straights are extremely vital.


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    Big_Gazza wrote:Good episode today.


    It never occurred to me that even Switzerland could struggle with power shortage in the winter session. I always thought that they are self sufficient in electricity as they have so many small to medium hydro-electric dams throughout the country.

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:11 am

    ⚡Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥High-precision air-based missiles have hit an AFU artillery training centre near Stetskovka, Sumy Region.

    ▫The foreign trainers who had arrived in the centre held practical exercises for Ukrainian servicemen related to using and firing control of M777 155-mm howitzers.

    ▫In addition, a missile attack has resulted in destroying a permanent base of foreign mercenaries near Dachnoye, Odessa Region.

    ▫Moreover, 27 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration, 2 command posts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 6 missile, artillery weapons, ammunition and fuel depots have been destroyed near Vesyoloye, Bakhmut (Donetsk People's Republic), Spornoye, Podlesnoye and Loskutovka (Lugansk People's Republic).

    ✈💥Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aviation have hit 54 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration.

    ▫In total, the aviation attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 400 nationalists, 20 tanks and armoured vehicles, 4 BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 9 artillery mounts and 29 miscellaneous vehicles.

    💥Russian air defence means have shot down a military transport airplane of the Ukrainian Air Force that was transporting armament and ammunition near Odessa.

    ▫In addition, 17 unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed near Popasnaya, Varvarovka, Stakhanov (Lugansk People's Republic), Dementyevka, Volkhov Yar, Mospanovo, Novaya Gnilitsa, Doslipnoye, Bolshiye Prokhody, Kapitolovka (Kharkov Region), Novoaleksandrovka (Nikolayev Region) over the past 24 hours.

    ▫The abovementioned includes 2 Bayraktar-TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles hit by Russian air defence means near Kamenka, Nikolayev Region.

    💥Missile troops and artillery have hit 33 command posts, 131 firing positions of AFU artillery units, as well as 542 manpower and military equipment concentration areas.

    📊In total, 187 airplanes and 129 helicopters, 1,104 unmanned aerial vehicles, 328 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,406 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 466 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,769 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,405 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:13 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Michael Hudson has explained very well how financial capitalism, unlike industrial one, steals wealth and produces nothing in exchange. By design our elites have set up the rules of the economy so that the productive sectors can be bled for their interest instead of attending the social needs it should support. Hardly surprising, then, that Western MIC is as inefficient as is unrepairable, since it is not intended to produce value for the defence of the country but to extract wealth.

    Thank you for writing that.

    It gets straight to the heart of the West's, I won't say Anglo Saxon as it didn't start there only continues, absolute slavery to the power of merchant bankers and their use of usury.

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    Johninmk and Ipsan do a great job of elaborating on the main movements in this war


    Please no praise for me, its Ispan we should all thank.

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    I've just caught up from overnight posts and it has struck me that, once the normal dross is ignored, we had a really good night of quality posts.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 04, 2022 10:56 am

    Arestovich: "Crimea is the territory of Ukraine, so the ban on the use of American MLRS does not apply to it"

    That would be your funeral...

    So many uncomfortable truths to unpack in the post below. Russia now truly is a Chinese satellite state ready for the picking, a giant landmass that only serves the purpose of maintaining the Chinese Dream.

    First of all considering the American dream was nazis and bio weapons and nuclear weapons in the Ukraine, why do you see denying them that dream and letting the Chinese have their dreams come true is so bad for Russia.

    Second it is the US that treats all other countries as colonies that are not allowed to think or act independently in their own interests... Russia does not want to control the west and does not want to control China and China does not want to control the west or Russia either.

    It is the west that lectures other countries on human rights while torturing their enemies being held illegally without charge in CIA rendition sites all over the world including Cuba ironically.

    China does not tell Russia how to behave and Russia does not tell China how to behave.

    The people of the Crimea voted to join Russia... China will never accept that and that is fine because other wise they would have to accept that Taiwan can vote to be independent and that does not suit their interests and Russia is fine with that.

    Russia is not going to demand China recognise Crimea and China is not going to demand anything from Russia in regards to Taiwan... they respect each other and do not interfere.

    The way the US and the West DO NOT.

    You can thank Uncle Vlad for that. So many blunders its absurd. On all levels. I am still at a loss how the biggest country in the world with a 150 million pop strong population and main exporter of 13/16 of the world's main minerals and raw resources can find himself outmanoevred on the political and diplomatic front. Seriously, how is that even possible?

    Out manouvered?

    The west controlled all of the international organisations and international trade and there would be no way for Russia to break them away from that left to their own devices, but with the west actively kicking Russia and China and presumably India out of the "international community" that they control means most of the world is now permanently separated from the western control international orgs.... meaning they will have to create alternatives... and if the rest of teh world want to trade with Russia and China then they will have to join their trade mechanisms that replace SWIFT which will result in trade that uses domestic currencies instead of the US dollar or the Euro which is going to hit the US dollar hard undermining what its power is based on... unlimited cash that it can print in its magic printing machines. That is their power and they are destroying it by using it as a weapon against Russia and China.

    As more countries trade in their own currencies the power of the US will diminish and fewer countries will trust the US dollar or the Euro because if the US and the EU will seize money from Russia or China then of course they will do the same to a smaller less powerful country... who would keep their money in the bank of a known thief?

    No stop on eastward NATO expansion, no Russian orbit, no 'denazification' of the Kiev junta, internationally isolated, arrested economy, failure of energy dependency policy, military debacle in Ukraine..

    It was HATO that said it was not going to expand, Russia has Belarus in its orbit thanks to western attempts at regime change coups and now it has the Crimea and part of the Ukraine too. Isolated by western drones, its economy is booming and if the EU wants to refuse cheap gas energy then Asia will step up and take that which will damage the economies of the EU and at the same time help the economies in Asia because cheap energy is always good for competitiveness.

    Russia is only losing in the Ukraine in western propaganda in reality they are making a positive change for a lot of Ukrainians and dealing with a lot of other Ukrainians who to criminal advantage of the chaos the west created there with their illegal coup and did some real damage.

    Those Ukrainians will be held to account by Ukrainians...

    And now degraded to a Chinese battering ram to bring down US hegemony

    China owns too much US debt to fight the US... you don't buy debt from countries you plan to destroy... the US is destroying itself with its own powerful weapon... its money and in doing so it is destroying the international value and use of the US dollar which will be more destructive of the US than China and Russia combined could ever hope to achieve on their own... they don't have any strings to pull because the US or the west controls them... but in trying to get Russia and likely then China they are breaking those international organisations and making Russia and China and the rest of the world realise they need new independent impartial organisations that are not controlled by the US... and that will be the undoing of the west.

    The west wont collapse, the US has a large military force, but the countries they have military bases are going to have to fund US activities... and how long will that last when those bases only serve US interests.

    Once they close down and soldiers return and the US dollar does not buy influence the US is going to have to start looking at what they spend their money on and $10,000 dollar toilet seats are the first things that will have to go.

    I bet the Changs are covertly satisfied with the Russians bogged down and cut off.

    The Chinese know they want their independence too and are not interested in being bought and disected by the US and that they can either help Russia now or take on the west in 10 years time with Russia corrupted and on the side of the US with a puppet leader like Navalny...

    They just got basically unlimited access to Russia's resources for pennies on the dollar. Multipolarity might ensue but at the cost of Russia and at the benefit of China.

    Actually you are wrong... it is Indian companies going in to the Russian markets buying up everything the west had invested in and because they are leaving in a hurry things are getting sold for pennies to the dollar but that does not hurt Russia... those western companies were not there to help Russia, they were making very good money and now that will go to India.

    China is buying gas at rates similar to what the EU was paying before they tried to get it even cheaper by using storage and spot price auctions... and soon there will be rather more gas available to China and Asia if they want it.

    Being so cheap of course it will be worth converting a lot of their industry to run on gas instead of coal or whatever it was using before and those long term contracts will provide stability and long term planning for both sides... they might even direct pipes through to India.... and their might not be enough capacity to sell any to the EU even if they paid in Rubles...

    BTW China is not a hostile country so they can pay in Euros or US dollars if they wanted but most likely they will pay in Yuan so Russia can use their currency to buy consumer goods from China without either side needing to convert it over and over... making money for the US when they were using US dollars.

    @owais.usmani $30K per missile is incredibly cheap... double it and multiply it by ten and that was how much they cost to make each missile... wow not even that because that would be $600K and they were $800K to make...

    I would not be surprised to see a conventional war between this EU Army and the Russian Army and this lead to the eventual expulsion of US troops from Europe.

    Once Russia has sorted the Ukraine to its satisfaction I think they are just going to build a big wall to the west and cut links and ties and largely ignore it...

    There is no value in liberating Russian speakers in the Baltic states... perhaps offer a new house and citizenship for Russian speakers from the Baltic regions based on whether they have the skills for any jobs that need done in Russia...

    You cannot really rely on Glonass as it can be spoofed of jammed

    Soviet and Russian guided artillery rounds to date rely on laser spot homing.

    You need INS for approx coordinates + glonass so at least you can confirm you are not being spoofed. Of they need a secure Glonass with keys that change daily.

    Modern INS systems can be as small as your thumbnail and a bit of AI that can monitor your GLONASS location compared with your INS location as well as your motion in three dimensions. It wouldn't take much to see that suddenly the GLONASS tells you you are 100km away from your target when you were fired 20km from the target and have only travelled 15km that there was something wrong and that GLONASS should be ignored in that situation.

    Western "elites" are a pack of fcking idiots. We have useless imbeciles with zero technical knowledge installed in the topmost executive positions (eg Biden/Harris, BoJo, Micron, Scholz, Ursula von der Crazy, Trudeau & ex-ScoMo here in 'Stralya) but acting as nothing more than compliant sock puppets for globalist puppet masters like Klaus Schwab & Soros and the cabal of privileged capital owners that they represent.

    Western political leaders have always been ignorant of Russia and the Soviet Union... but they used to have smart advisors who respected Russia and the Soviets... they didn't like them but they treated them with respect.

    These days you hear western leaders call Putin a murderer... how could you possibly expect to negotiate with such a person any time in the future... it is more than just dumb it is dangerous... but the western media love it and egg them on to get them to repeat it or go even further.

    Basically he is saying, during the India-China border clash in 2020 Europe did not support India, so why should India support Europe now during the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

    More importantly, you look at both conflicts... Russia and Ukraine and China and India.... and you see the US led west trying to encourage conflict in both places... while pretending outrage and the violence of a war they didn't start themselves (for a change).

    Wut? Suspect Who the heck ships weapons like this? No crates? Just laid out on a deck exposed to the sun and the elements?

    Rusty by day two at best...

    To be fair, this weapon load was sized by the 5th Fleet USS Montgomery somewhere in the Arab Sea a year ago.

    So likely bound for terrorists in Syria or Libya...

    >Ukrainian government proposes Bill 7351, which would allow officers to use lethal force on soldiers disobeying orders or abandoning their posts

    Sounds to me like they have already been doing this for a while... and also shooting their own civilians that decline the opportunity to be meat shields.

    An off the shelf, generic brand GarryB pressing for tribal attacks... Jesus!

    I don't reccomend anyone attacking the US.... that is what they want... bullies love to pretend they are victims... I reccommend letting the US destroy itself and drag the west with it... getting into bed with Nazis and ISIS... how could that end badly... I wonder...

    Russia's defense budget is 170+ million dollars. Almost the same as the UK, France, Germany and Holland combined. So non PPP numbers actually under state the Russian budget by almost 3 times over. Which is why propagandists love it.

    Just another manipulation to pretend Russia has just as much corruption as the US does... which is clearly not true.

    It is based in US dollars which means the value of the Ruble against the US dollar has a significant influence on the result and seriously distorts the result in favour of the US which is normally why it is used.

    In short, he says that Russia is killing it in the field, but considering Russia's strategic aims of de-nazification and a neutral Ukraine, taking the Donbass, all of it, and even incorporating it into Russia could still be considered a strategic defeat.

    They had a serious threat on their border... even if western and northern Ukraine remains under Zelenskys control and pro west how much of a real threat will they pose in the future to Russia?

    The separation of Russia from the west is a strategic victory and will be vastly more important for Russia and Russians moving forward than any pissant little shithole the what is left of Nazi Ukraine will become... the US offers loans and weapons and bugger all else to their allies and that is not going to change... with the south and east stripped away what is left is not a viable functioning economy and the west wont pump 500 billion into the country to fix everything and make it successful... and neither will Russia.

    Even if the nazis remain in the west of the Ukraine their future is even worse than during the last 8 years cut off from Russian markets.

    The west wont buy their substandard crap...

    Weakness tolerated it. Weakness deals with the consequences.

    Yeah right... paint with the propaganda brush.... Putin was weak because he didn't interfere in the Ukraine and didn't stop the US overthrowing the legitimate leader of the Ukraine... It was all Putins weakness but a few years later he got Trump into office in the US... no evidence of that because it didn't happen, but that didn't stop four years of accusations of election meddling but when clear election meddling got Biden elected everything was sealed and no questions could be asked or you would be cancelled.

    Keep pushing western propaganda because if you do the lies become real and we win... it hasn't worked yet... in fact it has alienated Russia and China and now India and probably most of the rest of the world but if you keep it up you can pretend you didn't know and were just following orders.

    There is nothing that Russia could have done on her own to better prepare herself for ditching the west and becoming an independent country... the only way it could possibly have happened the way it has was US led actions by the west to piece by piece sanction Russia in dribs and drabs so piece by piece they replaced the west in the role of feeding them and providing technology in a range of areas and now you are preparing them for international trade with the rest of the world by cutting them out of SWIFT.... and you call what they are doing weak because you don't understand that much of it they had little to no choice.

    After spending 20 odd years trying to integrate and cooperate with the west you have finally kicked him out of a dependency on the west for which they should be thankful... they are balancing their budgets they can feed their own people with a surplus to earn good money from other countries that will be starving soon and they have resources to keep themselves going for decades and now they will be looking to the rest of the world for trade and mutual growth.

    Call them weak as much as you please but you just killed the golden goose... I am sure that will be Putins fault too.

    Yet, if you think about it they've been a more stable, and conflict free state than Russia (and empire territories) for the last 2 centuries plus least.

    They export war.

    They thrive on dividing their enemies and getting them to fight each other. Russia and the EU, China and India... but they are failing because the EU is not going to join the conflict and China and India are not going to fight either.

    In the meantime people like Obama can buy mansions and residences in Hawaii from their speaking circuit after being President. i.e. going on a talk show tour where they are paid a fortune by the corporations they favored while they were in power. And that isn't corruption.

    Or the Clinton foundation that got enormous donations from many western countries just before Hilary lost the election.... not to mention the tens of millions of dollars collected to help the people of Haiti who never saw a cent...

    Corruption. Blatant and obvious and ignored.

    Can you tell me how Russia has gotten weaker and will be weaker in the future because of this war ?

    Russia is much stronger now because they know the US wants them dead and are prepared to arm nazis with bio weapons and nukes to achieve that... what future is even possible?

    Not only is Ritter a recidivist in failure, Scottie is also an ex-con who served over 2 years in a state prison in Pennsylvania after he got caught trying to hook up with minors as young as 13 (and possibly 11).

    That is normal in postings to Japan isn't it?

    But there is more. Scott has been under internal FBI investigation for 3+ years after heavy suspicion emerged that the man was spying for none other than Our Greatest Ally Israel.

    Which makes him an American patriot doesn't it?


    The whole pro-Putin grifter clique indeed is a clowns how. Are there any normal people over there?

    Westerner who is found guilty of not being hard core anti Putin is framed for all sorts of fake shit to discredit it... like perhaps charged with a rape in Sweden.... nahh that has never happened before.

    The Chinese are getting worried about the faltering Russian effort in Ukraine and how it might effect their own country. Russia falling into its lap due to heavy western sanctions is considered a win yet it shouldn't become a drain and source for instability.

    Translation, western fake media try to create fake divisions between Russia and China in a desperate effort to create conflict between them...

    I understand that this conflict awakens tribalism and ideological purity spirals in many, but covering for a convicted pedo and highly probable traitor is something I'll never condone.

    Yeah, that is what they said about Assange... rapist and traitor... hilarious... get a new play book.

    One for inservice, one for veterans. Then you have the MASSIVE pensions and disability benefits a legacy of all the many US wars. Then you have the MASSIVE base infrastructure and the close to 300 Strategic airlifters + commercial cargo flights, ships etc that service them. When you really get down to it, only about 15% of this sum actually goes to warfighting capability.

    Wouldn't surprise me if some gender benders join to get the military to pay for their surgury and rehab, but the vast majority is graft... 1.5 trillion for the F-35.... they have made over 600 of them and they still are not combat ready and working properly.

    Chinese are a smart bunch, whose foreign policy is based in long term strategic thinking and the school of realism. You'd have to be seriously delusional to think that they buy the Russian' everything according to plan' line behind closed doors.

    The Chinese are a smart bunch and they can see the west destroying itself economically trying to hurt Russia and honestly they don't really need to do anything at all... the US is doing it all for them... they can just sit by and protect themselves... they don't gain anything by attacking Russia and Russia is no longer going to be able to buy a lot of stuff from Europe so high speed train projects with Germany will become high speed train projects with Russian and Chinese companies. Getting all that cheap gas energy that Europe was getting will require a bit of investment in gas related infrastructure but cheap energy makes being competitive much much easier.

    All the shit China gets from the US, working with the Russians who don't tell them what they have to do in Tibet or to their Muslims or Taiwan would be a pleasure.... and vice versa for Russia not being lectured about this or that bullshit like the EU and US does.

    Russia was supposed to bring military expertise and raw horsepower to this new (post April-May 2021) alliance. Turns out that was quite a stretch. All alarm bells have started going off in Beijing, no doubt about that.

    Russia is building China a much needed early warning air defence system to protect them from surprise attack, and they have a lot of anti sub technology that China would greatly benefit from... There are lots of areas they can cooperate in including space.

    What a turn of events. Former US SOF (LOL) who regularly makes a complete fool of himself and his country is coming out on the side of his presumed ideological enemies.

    That is what is wrong with the west today.

    You are anti Putin and anti Russian and SS should be too because he is American... the west is broken because of yes man syndrome... there is no critical thinking, no questioning the boss or those in charge and the result is stupid things are done and when they fail they don't recognise what they did was wrong they double down and claim it failed because it wasn't extreme enough.

    A good example is sanctions.... they don't seem to be working... so the obvious reason must be because they were not harsh enough so the solution is more sanctions despite sanctions not working... and so they continue with the sanctions despite them not only not working but even to the point of backfiring where sanctions imposed in return really hurt the west way more than the target of the sanctions.

    To his credit SS does acknowledge stupidity when he sees it, though I don't always agree with where he sometime sees it.

    But a pedo he still is.

    Along with 100% of the 1% in the west... when you can do anything you like most things we would consider fun become boring and more extreme things become desirable... when you can fly to a private island you can make up your own laws on what is legal age of consent...

    Russian govt is the WORST fucking negotiator ever. They are like, WELL when you are ready we are ready.

    Things seem to be going rather well for them on the battlefield... what urgent need for a solution do they have?

    BTW they negotiated agreements with Turkey and Israel for their forces in Syria... which both Turkey and Israel have broken and had consequences for.... they even got the Taliban to talk to the US which led to the US leaving that forever war... in hindsight a mistake that probably created the situation where they could get Kiev to start their invasion leading to Russia to preempt them.

    If the US and HATO were still in Afghanistan it is rather unlikely this would have happened simply because the risk of the Taliban getting Iglas and Kornets would be too high.

    They wouldn't arm ISIS.

    Russia is planning to triple its forces and bombardment capacity in the coming weeks to complete the operation.

    Says who?

    I haven't said the U.S won the war on Syria or that it was a "resource war". You're creating a strawman like a two year old dolt to argue with yourself.

    the war in Syria from a US perspective was to get Arab gas to Turkey... which required taking out Iraq and Syria so the pipelines could be laid, which would allow them to get gas to Turkey to put pressure on Russia because EU rules already state that Russian pipes need to keep 50% for rivals to pump gas through their pipes but no other country could get gas to Turkey to put into the pipes... Syria and Iraq were part of the solution to get that gas there...

    Overthrow two regimes to stop Russia selling cheap gas to the EU because cheap energy to the EU make German made stuff cheaper and more competitive on the international market against US made stuff in China and elsewhere like Mexico...

    Other plans have now achieved what they wanted but to get their gas in now they need the EU to invest enormous amounts of money on LNG plants at ports to receive gas in liquid form... going to be expensive... as is the gas... but it is the EU that will be paying the price and Russia will simply redirect their gas to Asia.

    That Sultan is shipping boatloads of drones to Ukraine to kill Russians,

    They seem to shoot them down regularly enough... US or Israeli drones would be more of a threat... and now the places that make their engines are hit... the numbers should decrease...

    If the ace in the hole for Russia preventing Swedish/Finland ascension is the Turkish Sultan...

    Breaking off trade and cultural ties with europe is the probable outcome and any ties that might remain with a Finland that for whatever reason can't join HATO would likely be cut from Finlands end so they don't get cut off from the rest of europe by their friends and neighbours.

    The rest of the world is out there to trade with with no strings attached...

    What does Turkey having more practical use for Russia has to do with anything that I said?

    Turkey fears a vindictive US that ignores international law when it suits more than it fears Russia which is more straight forward and honest and open and able to negotiate and talk things through rather than try to regime change them when they don't suit.

    Of course it does, it's an 80 million pop country that has been a geopolitical thorn for Russia for centuries. News at 11. Russia would love to have it on their allied camp... except its rival does. It's what it's.

    Western countries have all fought each other over the last few centuries... US UK, France, Germany, Japan, Korea, etc etc etc.

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