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    Post  dionis Mon May 09, 2022 10:40 pm

    franco wrote:
    dionis wrote:
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    dionis wrote:Is this Spetsnaz of some sort? Curious if anyone knows... sorry for repost.

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15 - Page 19 Frckhm12

    Could be or naval infantry or any motor rifle? Do you have where the photo originated from?

    User "Hole" posted this in the previous thread. Couldn't find any other tags or related info unfortunately.

    This pic was there as well:

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15 - Page 19 Frckhm11

    Based on the 3 military vehicles, my best guess would be naval infantry as they use all of them while the Spetsnaz does not.

    Thanks!
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    Post  andalusia Mon May 09, 2022 10:41 pm

    Is it true that Russia is running out of precision guided munitions?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-running-precision-guided-munitions-125300658.html





    Just saw this about Ukraine mocking Russia with captured tanks:


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-mocked-russias-victory-day-194259432.html
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    Post  gc3762 Mon May 09, 2022 10:56 pm

    andalusia wrote:Is it true that Russia is running out of precision guided munitions?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-running-precision-guided-munitions-125300658.html



    https://lenta.ru/news/2022/05/09/nice_rockets_awesome_opk/

    Russia has enough precision-guided missiles and ammunition, the Russian military-industrial complex has provided the armed forces with everything they need, and work is underway to increase the range of Kalibr missiles. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister and curator of the defense Industry of Russia Yuri Borisov in an interview."Interfax".

    "If you believe everything that is said on the other side, Russia's missiles should have ended in March. But for some reason they didn't end. The military-industrial complex supplies our army with all the necessary range of missiles in the required volumes. Stocks of modern high-precision missiles and ammunition will be enough to fulfill all the tasks assigned to the Russian Armed Forces, " Borisov said about the impossibility of a shortage of weapons.

    From your Yahoo News article this should have alerted you that this is fake news:

    “Russia has subjected Ukraine’s towns and cities to intense and indiscriminate bombardments with little or no regard for civilian casualties,” the UK Defence Ministry concluded.


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    Post  kvs Mon May 09, 2022 10:59 pm

    The NATzO propaganda about Russia running out of missiles goes back to early March. How is it possible to keep raising this excrement
    after the NATzO BS flops on its face over and over. People really need to engage their brains. Russia has missile production lines.
    Are they supposed to be closed because NATzO wants it that way.

    All of NATzO propaganda and even non-propaganda is fantasy projection.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 09, 2022 11:49 pm

    andalusia wrote:Is it true that Russia is running out of precision guided munitions?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-running-precision-guided-munitions-125300658.html





    Just saw this about Ukraine mocking Russia with captured tanks:


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-mocked-russias-victory-day-194259432.html

    Yeah man, Russia is running out of everything. It has fuel problems, munition shortages, its sending old men and boys into combat, its having to capture Ukrainian weapons systems to keep the fight going. . . . Oh wait, that's actually Ukraine's problems. Russia had logistics problems in Feb and March, but they have gotten those mostly corrected, most of Russia's military industries are too far out of reach for Ukrainian missile attacks, and saboteurs can't target everything.

    Here's a hint, when seeking truth in western "news" sources, always start with what they didn't say. Why is Ukraine using Russian tanks? Seriously, if Ukraine has enough tanks and munitions why are they always asking for weapons and munitions from the west?

    When Russia is said to be out of something, always look to see what Ukraine is asking for.

    Remember this is a three level war, involving information, military, and finance. Russia is picking its battles to focus on military and financial. Its letting the west have the info wars, which is why this summer could be painful for a lot of Europeans and Americans.
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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon May 09, 2022 11:53 pm

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    Yes, the Odessa shopping center for gifts to give to orphans at the adjoining Mother Teresa home for orphans and pug puppies.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 10, 2022 12:47 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The Russian leadership realized this a good while back, but still naively try to cling to a "moral high ground" they think will ultimately burn through all the BS, once the smoke has dispersed and the dust has settled.

    It won't. The power of the propaganda machine Russia is up against has no historical analogues.

    The corrupt ruling regimes in the collective "West" won't ever openly admit the truth, but the key PR battleground is China, India, the non-aligned world and the Global South. Once Russia can expose the never-ending fecklessness of the West and the depraved depths of outrageous war-crimes and mass suffering that they are prepared to inflict in pursuit of their selfish objectives, the rest of the world will be sympathetic to Russias aims and the path to a true multi-polar world and marginalisation of the Wests attempted hegemony will be made easier.

    The West greatly fears the consequences of losing control of the planets financial flows and energy/resources, and the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to WIN in Ukraine, tear the regime down, and then kick the foundations out from under the tottering giant with feet of clay Twisted Evil

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    Post  andalusia Tue May 10, 2022 12:59 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    andalusia wrote:Is it true that Russia is running out of precision guided munitions?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-running-precision-guided-munitions-125300658.html





    Just saw this about Ukraine mocking Russia with captured tanks:


    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-mocked-russias-victory-day-194259432.html

    Yeah man, Russia is running out of everything.  It has fuel problems, munition shortages, its sending old men and boys into combat, its having to capture Ukrainian weapons systems to keep the fight going. . . . Oh wait, that's actually Ukraine's problems. Russia had logistics problems in Feb and March, but they have gotten those mostly corrected, most of Russia's military industries are too far out of reach for Ukrainian missile attacks, and saboteurs can't target everything.  

    Here's a hint, when seeking truth in western "news" sources, always start with what they didn't say.  Why is Ukraine using Russian tanks? Seriously, if Ukraine has enough tanks and munitions why are they always asking for weapons and munitions from the west?  

    When Russia is said to be out of something, always look to see what Ukraine is asking for.  

    Remember this is a three level war, involving information, military, and finance.  Russia is picking its battles to focus on military and financial.  Its letting the west have the info wars, which is why this summer could be painful for a lot of Europeans and Americans.  
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    Very much agree. The news here can be pretty convincing; that is why I sometimes post these articles here to find out the truth.

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    Post  andalusia Tue May 10, 2022 1:05 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The Russian leadership realized this a good while back, but still naively try to cling to a "moral high ground" they think will ultimately burn through all the BS, once the smoke has dispersed and the dust has settled.

    It won't. The power of the propaganda machine Russia is up against has no historical analogues.

    The corrupt ruling regimes in the collective "West" won't ever openly admit the truth, but the key PR battleground is China, India, the non-aligned world and the Global South.  Once Russia can expose the never-ending fecklessness of the West and the depraved depths of outrageous war-crimes and mass suffering that they are prepared to inflict in pursuit of their selfish objectives, the rest of the world will be sympathetic to Russias aims and the path to a true multi-polar world and marginalisation of the Wests attempted hegemony will be made easier.  

    The West greatly fears the consequences of losing control of the planets financial flows and energy/resources, and the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to WIN in Ukraine, tear the regime down, and then kick the foundations out from under the tottering giant with feet of clay Twisted Evil


    The West is pretty evil in regards to its financial control of the planet. That is why I am glad that since this war has happened, the dollar could lose its status as the reserve currency. I do not think the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to win in Ukraine; the US is not going to go easy if its control is lost. They are eventually going to go to war against both Russia and China which would be World War III. That financial control through usury needs to be destroyed.

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    Post  Erk Tue May 10, 2022 1:10 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The Russian leadership realized this a good while back, but still naively try to cling to a "moral high ground" they think will ultimately burn through all the BS, once the smoke has dispersed and the dust has settled.

    It won't. The power of the propaganda machine Russia is up against has no historical analogues.

    The corrupt ruling regimes in the collective "West" won't ever openly admit the truth, but the key PR battleground is China, India, the non-aligned world and the Global South.  Once Russia can expose the never-ending fecklessness of the West and the depraved depths of outrageous war-crimes and mass suffering that they are prepared to inflict in pursuit of their selfish objectives, the rest of the world will be sympathetic to Russias aims and the path to a true multi-polar world and marginalisation of the Wests attempted hegemony will be made easier.  

    The West greatly fears the consequences of losing control of the planets financial flows and energy/resources, and the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to WIN in Ukraine, tear the regime down, and then kick the foundations out from under the tottering giant with feet of clay Twisted Evil

    Also buried somewhere in there is the eugenics movement, they got to have a proxy hand in all this and the global over reaction that is being inflicted on us. A whole lot of people wont be able to afford to have children if the sanctions continue, , turning down your heating etc., and lockdowns. Russia is just the cover story for this WEF style austerity. Let them eat Lentils.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue May 10, 2022 1:25 am

    andalusia wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:The Russian leadership realized this a good while back, but still naively try to cling to a "moral high ground" they think will ultimately burn through all the BS, once the smoke has dispersed and the dust has settled.

    It won't. The power of the propaganda machine Russia is up against has no historical analogues.

    The corrupt ruling regimes in the collective "West" won't ever openly admit the truth, but the key PR battleground is China, India, the non-aligned world and the Global South.  Once Russia can expose the never-ending fecklessness of the West and the depraved depths of outrageous war-crimes and mass suffering that they are prepared to inflict in pursuit of their selfish objectives, the rest of the world will be sympathetic to Russias aims and the path to a true multi-polar world and marginalisation of the Wests attempted hegemony will be made easier.  

    The West greatly fears the consequences of losing control of the planets financial flows and energy/resources, and the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to WIN in Ukraine, tear the regime down, and then kick the foundations out from under the tottering giant with feet of clay Twisted Evil


    The West is pretty evil in regards to its financial control of the planet.  That is why I am glad that since this war has happened, the dollar could lose its status as the reserve currency. I do not think the best revenge against this despicable Empire is simply to win in Ukraine; the US is not going to go easy if its control is lost.  They are eventually going to go to war against both Russia and China which would be World War III.  That financial control through usury needs to be destroyed.  

    Some of the US elites, as dumb as they are, are finally starting to realize that global power does indeed come from control of Mackinders "World island", and that Russia and China are well ahead in their parallel quests to integrate Eurasia as a consolidated power under their influence.  Neoconz think that Ukraine is Russias achilles heel, but they are wrong. Ukraine is their achilles, and Russia will now demonstrate the true reality of the Omnipotent West, ie a paper tiger living in a house of cards, on borrowed time, and on borrowed money, grown fat and weak and stupid from too much self-indulgence and undeserved narcissism.

    Reality is governed by real-world factors like energy, resources, commodities, food, land. Not from financializing everything and worshipping the power of printed fiat currencies.    Power comes from having these things, and having a military strong enough to prevent others from taking them from you.  Russia has all of these things, and now it has a government that is wise enough to understand this reality, courageous enough to assert itself against its enemies and defy their slings and arrows of discontent, and above all, a populace who broadly understands the nature of the problems that the nation faces, and the true face of the enemy who wishes to destroy them.

    The US and its EU/NATO faggot trash quislings can go and right-royally fck themselves.  They mercilessly poked and jeered at the Bear, and while he was slow to wake, now he is up and about and he is angry .  Now he will make himself heard and felt, and those snarky little bastards had best remove themselves from his vicinity if they don't want to be ripped into pieces, chewed up, swallowed, and eventually deposited as smelly lumps around his territory as a warning to others. Twisted Evil

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    Post  Regular Tue May 10, 2022 1:32 am

    Isos wrote:Cage armour sucks. Trucks with armour are too expensive and never enough armoured to protect against rpg and atgm.

    What they need is mass use of active protection systems and the ability to strike first.

    Not loosing equipement is impossible in wars where modern anti tnk missiles are widespread. Just look other conflict, one man with a kornet or tow can destroy plenty of vehicles.

    Cage armour would be good enough against most of Ukrainian donations like RPG-7, CF, Panzerfaust, C90, RPG-22 and etc.

    Also, armoured trucks are really wanted by the troops themselves, hence why there are so many projects recently. Kamaz for troop transportation, Ural for utility. (Typhoon series and etc.)

    Check the links below. This was already discussed on a higher level. Russia also tested APS on light vehicles in combat (Syria), I believe we are soon to see the actual en-masse implementation of such devices. Cage armour is only that - emergency and by looking at realities, soldiers end up using them anyway.


    https://topwar.ru/194833-o-zaschite-avtomobilnoj-i-legkoj-bronetehniki-v-specoperacii-z.html

    https://en.topwar.ru/195333-ob-jekstrennom-osnaschenii-avtomobilnoj-legkobronirovannoj-tehniki-i-tankov-uchastvujuschih-v-specoperacii-sredstvami-dopolnitelnoj-zaschity.html?__cf_chl_tk=nlTn0hrfRi5GUAdRyklt8XIzACggDsZoSO7nA0JBDls-1652129796-0-gaNycGzNB6U

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Tue May 10, 2022 3:39 am

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    The frontline is actually very stable, Russia is moving with little effort, slowly, but with no casualties, while the VSU is done

    Demilitarization is complete, the Ukrainian industry is gone, and random western shipments for ISIS style attacks are all they can do

    Russia will impose costs with time, to allow the Liev regime to negotiate a settlement

    The US and Europe already take a back seat and there is quiet from their ranks

    All in all, I was not confident early on, but this is an excellent result, and depending on Kievs willingness to indulge in self preservation , it could remain this way, or more and more of Ukraine will be balkanized and split

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    Post  ALAMO Tue May 10, 2022 4:50 am

    ucmvulcan wrote:
    Yes, the Odessa shopping center for gifts to give to orphans at the adjoining Mother Teresa home for orphans and pug puppies.  

    Here is a voice of wisdom!
    Half a million puppies died in this brutal attack.
    Facebook should make some kind of facemask for the matter, it is always fun watching the sheep herd that follows.

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    Putin's gonna to retire in 2024. That was always the plan

    Yep, and as you laid out, wanted to leave his successor, whoever it is, in a more advantegous position than he found himself in back in the day

    I don't buy that, folks.
    Why he would bother to make the latest constitutional changes then?
    Sure tons of other things were changed along, but the scenario that he can be a candidate again is teasing.
    They already faced a harsh criticism that this was the sole real game, and swallowed it. Why not to get the effects after?
    He is still capable for duty, will be 72 on the next elections.

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    All in all, I was not confident early on, but this is an excellent result, and depending on Kievs willingness to indulge in self preservation , it could remain this way, or more and more of Ukraine will be balkanized and split

    I have read a quite interesting observation and opinion for the matter, that I am not sure if share in full, but is worth considering.
    Ze Wezt reaction was inevitable, as the Russian action destroyed a 30 years old plan to kill them. Considering that as a fact, we have the following consequences.
    The war with the west can be done only by proxies, due to the risk of going nuclear.
    In any other theatre in the world, Russia could have been easily outmaneuvered and blocked. Closing some vital paths would be a deadly blow to the Russian logistics, plus no matter if we like it or not, the seas are ruled by NATO at the moment. Speaking openly, it is enough to arrange a coup in Iraq to block the Russians in Syria - to begin with.
    At the moment, when war is running in Ukraine, the advantage is on the Russian side.
    Logistics in heavy in favour of the Russian side. Not only their stocks are much bigger than the opponents, but the supply chain is intact, and will stay that way.
    As soon as NATO will clean off the warehouses, they will face the inevitable. They have to make new toys, even considering own security.
    The purchase power parity is on the Russian side heavily to the absurd. They can buy 5-10x more bung for bucks. Not only they can buy it, but have the projects, the production lines, and the skilled personnel.
    Arranging a whole production, creating new weapon systems, skill the personnel to work in the factories to make new toys - it will cost hundreds of billions in the NATO case.
    Sure they can do that, but it will either take years or bankrupt them.
    They don't have the money for that. Simply don't. The whole system is already running on thin air, with billions of empty money printed "to fight covid" bullshit. It worked only with the old system when everybody needed that empty papers. Won't work now. There will be nobody to take this empty debt. It is an arms race, that western block can't win.



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    Post  diabetus Tue May 10, 2022 5:00 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #15 - Page 19 -6041010

    The frontline is actually very stable, Russia is moving with little effort, slowly, but with no casualties, while the VSU is done

    Demilitarization is complete, the Ukrainian industry is gone, and random western shipments for ISIS style attacks are all they can do

    Russia will impose costs with time, to allow the Liev regime to negotiate a settlement

    The US and Europe already take a back seat and there is quiet from their ranks

    All in all, I was not confident early on, but this is an excellent result, and depending on Kievs willingness to indulge in self preservation , it could remain this way, or more and more of Ukraine will be balkanized and split

    An encirclement on VSU in Donbass is still necessary to cut them off from resupply.
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    Post  mnztr Tue May 10, 2022 6:09 am

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    was that about $1B in loans to Uncle Sam going up in flames?

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 10, 2022 6:15 am

    d_taddei2 wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    Isos wrote:They still have hundreds of artillery pieces that they are trained on which have the same caracteristics as the ones provided by nato.
    But Ukrainians have always used 152mm artillery shells whereas NATO standard is 155mm. NATO can't supply 152mm so they are supplying 155mm and to use the latter Ukraine also needs NATO artillery guns.

    Bulgaria can produce 152mm artillery rounds the reason why NATO are providing 155mm ammo is because they are providing 155mm artillery guns because Ukraine has had a considerable amount of 152mm guns Destroyed. I am not sure Bulgaria has the facilities to build more 152mm guns and it makes more sense to provide what u have in stock than to build new, especially when it's likely that they will be Destroyed any way lol!

    The US is supplying a lot of towed guns. These will be sitting ducks and destoryed shortly after being deployed. Ukraine cannot defend fire bases from counter battery fire. Any artillary they get that is not SPG is gonna be TOAST. Even the French caesar takes too long to dismount and scoot and is on a wheeled vehicle so has limited off road capability. The gun itself is quite good with impressive range, but Russian 203 can still out range any of them.

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    Post  mnztr Tue May 10, 2022 6:18 am

    Comparing French Caesar "SPG" (What the Ukes are getting) to Korean K9 SPG in shoot and scoot.


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    Post  RTN Tue May 10, 2022 7:44 am

    mnztr wrote:Comparing French Caesar "SPG" (What the Ukes are getting)  to Korean K9 SPG in shoot and scoot.


    K-9 wins hands down.
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    Post  Hinex1988 Tue May 10, 2022 8:09 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫Units of the People's Militia of the Lugansk People's Republic, supported by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, have completed mopping-up of Popasnaya from nationalists and broken through the deeply echeloned enemy defence and reached the administrative border of the Lugansk People's Republic.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination over 120 nationalists and 13 armoured and 12 vehicles of various purposes.

    ✈💥Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Force have hit 16 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration.

    💥Missile troops and artillery units have hit 33 command posts, 407 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 5 ammunition and fuel depots near Nikolaev and Mirnyi, Nikolaev Region.

    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 380 nationalists and up to 53 armoured and motor vehicles.

    💥On the evening of May 9, 1 Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force have been shot down during an aerial battle near Novaya Dmitrovka, Kharkov Region.

    💥Russian air defence means overnight have shot down 3 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Mospino, Yunokommunarsk of the Donetsk People's Republic and Odessa city.

    ▫1 Ukrainian Tochka-U missile and 1 Smerch multiple-launch rocket have been intercepted over Khartsyzsk in the Donetsk People's Republic. 2 more Smerch multiple-launch rockets have been shot down near Malaya Kamyshevakha and Izyum, Kharkov Region.

    📊In total, 163 Ukrainian aircraft and 124 helicopters, 793 unmanned aerial vehicles, 300 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,979 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 351 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,440 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,789 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

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    Post  Sujoy Tue May 10, 2022 8:32 am

    Isos wrote:Cage armour sucks. Trucks with armour are too expensive and never enough armoured to protect against rpg and atgm.

    What they need is mass use of active protection systems and the ability to strike first.

    Not loosing equipement is impossible in wars where modern anti tnk missiles are widespread. Just look other conflict, one man with a kornet or tow can destroy plenty of vehicles.
    AFAIK, APS has never been battle proven. Several defense analysts who have observed the performance of Western APS during trials suggest that they are probably not as effective as they are supposed to be. Reportedly Israeli tanks equipped with APS got hit by ATGMs.

    Russia didn't test any APS in Syria and so far it seems no APS has been tested by Russia in Ukraine either.
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    Post  Ned86 Tue May 10, 2022 9:12 am

    Hinex1988 wrote:
    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination over 120 nationalists and 13 armoured and 12 vehicles of various purposes.
    What I noticed is that Russian Defense ministry rarely publish any video evidence of the enemy forces destruction.
    I am sure they can afford to lose few Orlan drones in order to have good video for own show-off purposes as well as for disproving Ukrainian propaganda.  

    Good example is Snake Island. Ukrainians publish Hollywood style video of Su-27 bombing an Island and destroying Mi-8 with good story supporting it.
    on the other hand, Russians MoD informed us about destruction of 3 jets, few helicopters and few boats but without any video or photo evidence Sad
    Yesterday they said that around 20+ bodies are left on the island but there is nothing to support this thesis.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue May 10, 2022 9:32 am

    Ned86 wrote:
    Hinex1988 wrote:
    ▫The attacks have resulted in the elimination over 120 nationalists and 13 armoured and 12 vehicles of various purposes.
    What I noticed is that Russian Defense ministry rarely publish any video evidence of the enemy forces destruction.
    I am sure they can afford to lose few Orlan drones in order to have good video for own show-off purposes as well as for disproving Ukrainian propaganda.  

    Good example is Snake Island. Ukrainians publish Hollywood style video of Su-27 bombing an Island and destroying Mi-8 with good story supporting it.
    on the other hand, Russians MoD informed us about destruction of 3 jets, few helicopters and few boats but without any video or photo evidence Sad
    Yesterday they said that around 20+ bodies are left on the island but there is nothing to support this thesis.

    Who cares who believes them and who doesn't?

    If they are telling the truth - and I do believe they are as the whole strategy against the mass propaganda disinformation campaign by the Ukraine and the West this conflict has simply been to tell the truth - then the facts on the ground are what will ultimately matter. Those vehicles are destroyed and those militants are dead, and Kiev is going to find it harder and harder to replace them.

    Just like Russia didn't offer any proof about the thousands of armored vehicles it claimed to have destroyed. Barely any videos. Yet already 3 weeks into the conflict, Ukrainian forces around Kiev were moving around in ambulances and DHL vans, while another week later, and Zelensky was already requesting tanks from NATO to be sent.
    The proof is there if you pay attention.

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