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    Post  calripson Sat Apr 23, 2022 5:52 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ramsey Kadyrov for president 2026

    Just imagine planet shitting blood with him in possession of Russia's nuclear football Cool

    He wouldn't even need to do much work, everything important is already on autopilot

    If Kadyrov was the Russian president, none of this would have happened because the CIA and MI6 would have run their psychological profiles on him and realized (unlike Putin) that he is far too dangerous to play games of brinkmanship. Various Russian thinkers over the years have actually proposed that the only way Russia wins its existential battle versus the "West" is for Russia to become the economic, intellectual, and technological capital of the Muslim world. Imagine that world with Russia aligned with the fastest growing demographic in the world (and in the EU) and you have a nightmare scenario for the men behind the curtain.

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:08 pm

    No city, town, village, or hamlet captured today?
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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:19 pm

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    flamming_python wrote:I remember a calculation a few years back where they assessed only 3-4 countries in the world to have actually lost GDP since 1991

    Well Ukraine was on the list along with the Central African Republic

    Ukraine, really should have been able to to become a huge economy.  The main reason they couldn't? Our media will say the Russians.  Nope, wrong answer.  The real reason? They are corrupt as **** and have been.  They had the Communist Party leftovers in the 1990s.  Then they had the Orange Revolution that proved Oligarchs are just as rotten and corrupt as the Commies were, maybe even more so.  They are at last check the most corrupt state in Europe and one of the most corrupt states in the world.  How the Nikolayevsk shipyards rusted away as did Antonov design bureau is a tragedy.  I mean how much mismanagement and corruption does it take? They look like Cleveand, Detroit, Flint, Michigan, and Buffalo.  They should look like Germany, China, or Russia.

    Corruption is not a sufficient explanation, it is more a symptom than a cause. The origin of the failure of the Banderite state is that
    it is schizophrenic. It rests on a foundation of hate for Russia and the theft of Russian history. There was no frelling Ukraine in the
    1200s. But thanks to Bolshevik criminal social engineering a "country" was created that consisted mostly of ethnic Russian lands.
    This includes the arc going from north of Kiev to the Donbass and all along the Black Sea coast. The Bolsheviks chose the western
    Ukrian, Polish adjacent language and identity as the basis of Soviet Ukraine. They systematically destroyed Russian language and
    culture converting the people into fake Ukrainians. There were no Ukrainians outside the westernmost region in 1920. Malorurssians
    are not Ukrainians. Just like Novorussians are not Ukrainians.

    Anyone who dismisses the above is detached from the facts. You can see the genocidal contempt that the "true" Ukrainian dominated
    Azov militants and the Kiev regime had for the Donbass people. They do not consider the "separs" as Ukrainian. That is because they
    know that they are ethnic Russians. If the Banderites really considered the Donbass as Ukrainian (in some generalized fashion like
    Americans or Canadians are nationalities) then they would have implemented the Minsk Agreement. But they were frothing at the mouth
    with genocidal hate. The whole territorial integrity argument is total nonsense since federalization was not partition. When the only
    argument is "territorial integrity" and "unitary state integrity", then there is no argument at all.

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:25 pm

    Belisarius wrote:7000+ Javelin anti-tank systems have been sent to Ukraine to date. Ukraine uses 1 weeks of worth of javelins in one day.

    Only 269 Soviet tanks have been visually confirmed destroyed.

    There’s panic among the US leadership as reported by American military analysts about running low on the Javelins and about their ineffectiveness against Russian tanks. 1/3rd of the total US stockpile has been depleted on old Soviet tanks, that is according to the Pentagon.

    The 269 visually confirmed losses is not a concrete number either as many have been double photographed and a few misidentified. But the number lies somewhere in the area.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2328

    The 269 is dubious. There are numerous fakes on the "sober" lost armour websites. I would also like to see actual
    269 photos/videos. There are much fewer than this available for people to find.

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:42 pm

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    It seems that big gifts have been prepared for the boys from Azov for Easter. Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1f62c

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:50 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1650223804-3b41e3c9e8a167ba527264af6fe9b656
    It seems that big gifts have been prepared for the boys from Azov for Easter.

    The beast..

    FAB-5000 M-54 is designed to destroy military-industrial structures and factory buildings during bombing from altitudes up to 16,000 m at an aircraft flight speed of up to 1200 km / h. It is equipped with 3 fuses. So that the power of the explosion was not wasted on the surface, the fuses were set to operate with a slowdown, which allowed the bomb to deepen and explode in the thickness of the mountain. And the effectiveness of heavy FABs increased when they were dropped into small gorges, which literally "folded" from such power or fell asleep with falling stones, "burying" the gangs and blocking the passages. Some of the bombs were sometimes equipped with special AVPZ fuses for mining, with self-destruction within a few days.

    Diameter, mm; 1060
    Length, mm; 3324
    Bomb weight, kg; 5250
    Warhead weight, kg; 4200
    Mass of explosives, kg; 2207.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 23, 2022 6:58 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1650223804-3b41e3c9e8a167ba527264af6fe9b656
    It seems that big gifts have been prepared for the boys from Azov for Easter. Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1f62c

    This Easter egg needs some paint and a bunny sticker first

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:18 pm

    kvs wrote:
    Belisarius wrote:7000+ Javelin anti-tank systems have been sent to Ukraine to date. Ukraine uses 1 weeks of worth of javelins in one day.

    Only 269 Soviet tanks have been visually confirmed destroyed.

    There’s panic among the US leadership as reported by American military analysts about running low on the Javelins and about their ineffectiveness against Russian tanks. 1/3rd of the total US stockpile has been depleted on old Soviet tanks, that is according to the Pentagon.

    The 269 visually confirmed losses is not a concrete number either as many have been double photographed and a few misidentified. But the number lies somewhere in the area.
    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2328

    The 269 is dubious.   There are numerous fakes on the "sober" lost armour websites.   I would also like to see actual
    269 photos/videos.   There are much fewer than this available for people to find.  

    At least some of these tanks are in fact "Ukrainian" ones. Also quite a few russian tanks were damaged, but not destroyed, so they will be repaired.

    By the way the Switchblade 600 drone uses the same warhead as Javelin. If some of these will make it to the frontline, they will be as "effective" as the Javelins.

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:25 pm

    Scorpius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1650223804-3b41e3c9e8a167ba527264af6fe9b656
    It seems that big gifts have been prepared for the boys from Azov for Easter. Russian special military operation in Ukraine #13 - Page 24 1f62c

    FAB-5000 Laughing Laughing Laughing

    We need this:
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    FAB-9000

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    Post  Isos Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:37 pm

    Fab-9000 was used by iraqi against Iran. Devastating. But I see no value in using them in Mariupol, or even ukraine.

    No targets for it. Ukrainians and nazi are embedded with locals. That would kill too much innocent people.

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:39 pm



    Sorry no English translation. The LNR army has discovered documents confirming that the
    OSCE monitoring mission was acting as an arm of the Kiev regime army. Recall that the OSCE
    was active in helping the KLA/UCK in Kosovo. Just like WADA, the IOC, the WHO, and every other
    freaking "international" organization that is dominated by NATzO staff, the OSCE is nothing more than
    a NATzO operation.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sat Apr 23, 2022 7:54 pm

    RF and DPR troops assault hotel and admin building during Mariupol battles.



    Todays weather forecast for our Nazi's in the trenches...More steel rain Cool



    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:32 pm

    Airbornewolf wrote:RF and DPR troops assault hotel and admin building during Mariupol battles.



    Todays weather forecast for our Nazi's in the trenches...More steel rain Cool



    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8

    Great video links, Airbornewolf ..

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    Post  Hinex1988 Sat Apr 23, 2022 8:46 pm

    🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

    ▫The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥This afternoon, high-precision long-range air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces disabled logistics terminal at a military airfield near Odessa, where a large batch of foreign weapons received from the US and European countries was being stored.

    💥During the day, 22 military assets of Ukraine were hit by high-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    ▫Among them: 2 battalion command and control posts and 1 brigade command and control post, 11 strong points, as well as areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration. Up to 200 servicemen and nationalists, as well as more than 30 armoured vehicles and cars, were destroyed.

    ▫3 weapon, military equipment and ammunition depots have been destroyed in Illichevka and Kramatorsk.

    ▫1 Buk M1 anti-aircraft missile system and 3 radar stations were destroyed near Novaya Dmitrovka.

    ✈💥During the day, operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 79 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 6 command posts, 52 areas of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 16 depots of missile and artillery weapons, ammunition and fuel.

    ▫4 anti-aircraft missile systems were destroyed: 3 Buk-M1s near Kurakhovka and Romanovka and 1 Tor anti-aircraft missile system near Sergeevka.

    💥Russian air defence means destroyed 3 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near the settlements of Izyum and Kherson, including 1 Bayraktar TB-2 over Lozovaya, Kharkov Region.

    💥Missile troops and artillery carried out 102 firing missions during the night. Destroyed: 6 command posts, 84 strong points and areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 10 artillery batteries.

    📊In total, 141 aircraft and 110 helicopters, 541 unmanned aerial vehicles, 264 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,479 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 278 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,081 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,321 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

    #MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
    @mod_russia_en

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:01 pm

    Easter is in Russia, so it is calmer on the front. Russians are not antichrists like these cockroaches on the other side. It is likely that the Russians will "flood" Banderistan cockroaches with missiles and grenades in the next two days, while a more serious performance will follow later..
    Since I have already mentioned cockroaches, I see that there are no cockroaches that belittle Russia all day on this forum. We know who they are, I will not name them by profile names. Damn cockroaches..

    ЗА ПОБЕДУ ! (Z ! )

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:23 pm

    For Russia , a "victory " is much simpler than for Americans

    For Russia, victory is simply insisting on multipolarity

    That's what most analyst do not comprehend , or attempt to explain through many arguments

    But the main point is, the US modus operandi, is the insistence of a Unipolar world order, which is backed by Liberalism

    Liberalism at is foci is universalist interpretation of concepts like justice, freedom, democracy, man, civilization, and other ephemeral ideas and concepts which were shaped by many ideologies, but which today is interpreted by Liberalism and defined so by the US and its vassals as the universal truth

    Such interpretation in the modern world, and the crisis of Liberalism is the trend towards post modernity, in a liberal interpretation

    The absence of Man in mankind, that liberation from suffering, is the erasing of mankind itself to feel any type of suffering

    Therefore USA proposes, there should not be any kind of Russians, Indians, Chinese, And even europeans, or Americans themselves

    It should be universal mankind, without culture, society, history, because it is too crude and to cruel to mankind (which in itself is a sexist and oppressive term)

    That is the agony of Liberalism, which is a dying ideology and with it the United States as the main Unipolar proponent of such ideologies

    For Russia, victory lies not in economic, political, or even military defined objective

    But to simply reject Unipolarity and Liberalism, and to back narrow interest which undermines this universalist concept which is being imposed

    In Syria, it was very simple, keep Assad, all other economic, political and cultural questions are for the Syrians to decide, Russia is not there to decide or to shape a new ideology

    That question is for all to answer, and participate in the process of what replaces Liberalism in your countries, when the hegemony of Liberal unipolarity is gone?

    The war in Ukraine is just another aspect of this , for Russia, here the objective is to enable the pro Russian regions, because it is a rolling back of Liberalism

    Russia here, is rejecting Ukrainian nationalism, itself another dead ideology , an echo of national socialist ideology , cousin of francoism ,nazism, racial and cultural based ideology , which is rehabilitated by the dying Liberalism, to stave off the inevitable collapse

    That is denazification, for Russia its to negate NATO in Ukraine, and to denazify the regime

    Liberalism did bring many good things to this world, but it has lost its way

    The US itself is not even the target of Russia, nor are the American people, but this runaway ideology, itself degrading into the worse kind of nihilism, with far greater potential for destruction than the soviet communist nihilism , which at least suicide itself and did not remain in the world, as a useless and bygone idea

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:45 pm

    calripson wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ramsey Kadyrov for president 2026

    Just imagine planet shitting blood with him in possession of Russia's nuclear football Cool

    He wouldn't even need to do much work, everything important is already on autopilot

    If Kadyrov was the Russian president, none of this would have happened because the CIA and MI6 would have run their psychological profiles on him and realized (unlike Putin) that he is far too dangerous to play games of brinkmanship. Various Russian thinkers over the years have actually proposed that the only way Russia wins its existential battle versus the "West" is for Russia to become the economic, intellectual, and technological capital of the Muslim world. Imagine that world with Russia aligned with the fastest growing demographic in the world (and in the EU) and you have a nightmare scenario for the men behind the curtain.

    I would love to see Kadyrov as President of Russia. And because he's muslim it would show how tolerant Russians are and multicultural. It would make the heads in the West explode lol. It would probably open up even more business with the muslim world as well, which would be good for Russia.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:58 pm

    billybatts91 wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Ramsey Kadyrov for president 2026

    Just imagine planet shitting blood with him in possession of Russia's nuclear football Cool

    He wouldn't even need to do much work, everything important is already on autopilot

    If Kadyrov was the Russian president, none of this would have happened because the CIA and MI6 would have run their psychological profiles on him and realized (unlike Putin) that he is far too dangerous to play games of brinkmanship. Various Russian thinkers over the years have actually proposed that the only way Russia wins its existential battle versus the "West" is for Russia to become the economic, intellectual, and technological capital of the Muslim world. Imagine that world with Russia aligned with the fastest growing demographic in the world (and in the EU) and you have a nightmare scenario for the men behind the curtain.

    I would love to see Kadyrov as President of Russia. And because he's muslim it would show how tolerant Russians are and multicultural. It would make the heads in the West explode lol. It would probably open up even more business with the muslim world as well, which would be good for Russia.

    All in all, as an Orthodox Christian, I do not agree with that idea. More than four-fifths of Russia is Orthodox.
    Russia was tolerant, it is tolerant even now, so it will probably be tolerant (towards well-intentioned countries) in the future as well. The Chechens deserve every possible respect for the expressed will and fighting spirit, but we should not exaggerate. At the head of the Russian state and the Russian army must be a Russian. THE CROSS IS THE CROSS, holy of holies!

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    Post  Airbornewolf Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:47 am

    UR-77, not just an anti-mining weapon.



    RF troops on the move under air cover.

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    Post  Regular Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:28 am

    Noticed in Syria and now in Ukraine Russians stopped using PKM/PKP as side gunners? AK-74 seems to be useless in this role knowing how many rounds it takes to hit something.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 24, 2022 1:51 am

    Some weird Bandera cartoon being shown to kids in Ukrainian schools

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/2282

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    Post  d_taddei2 Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:00 am

    Erk wrote:
    d_taddei2 wrote:
    That's a minimum. I would say it's far better to take all the key oblasts that have any strategic and economic value. This will help the Novorussia, while depriving Ukraine of key industries making them suffer and require life support from EU, UK, USA for decades making this costly for them as a form of punishment. Odessa, and Transnistria is a done deal question is will Gagauzia follow Transnistria? I think it might.

    Russia can't just take oblasts, they need the approval of the vast majority of the oblast citizens by referendum, that they want to be involved with Russia, or independent, or remain part of Ukraine.


    Read my posts carefully again. I clearly stated what the biggest obstacle was. Instead you decided select only parts of my comment. Your acting like a bot. Clearly your not reading the thread but I suggest you don't so Ur comments don't become null and void

    Had you read my full comments on the string of the same comment 3 hours before u posted your reply. I stated

    "Obviously the biggest obstacle to all this is the population. What do they want? I think the best way to play this, is referendum in each oblast on independence. From that the oblast can then decide if it wants to remain independent, form a federation with Novorussia, or the United federation of orcs. People like the idea of independence and having more control. This would weaken zelenskys control and could drastically reduce Ukraine in size. Either way the map shown is pretty certain. And I think after this war, the newly independent regions will happily accept neutrality they will have had enough of war and forced conscription and neo Nazi's holding a gun to their head. Peace and stability is what they want. And for many it's a way to get out of the conflict and not take a side.

    I think realistically the map shown will be Novorussia. The far west of the country will be orc land but still be forced to remain neutral, and by that time NATO will no longer be interested in its failed pet project. While the remaining regions Kiev, and central will for a federation that will remain totally neutral not taking any side and will just want to get on with life, trading with both Russia and EU. And although we all want a complete overthrow it's unlikely to happen but Russia will have achieved various levels of buffer zones, gained pro Russian areas including Transnistria and Gagauzia. Land locked Ukraine. Made it extremely weak, left NATO with another fail project, with a bloody nose. EU economy in tatters, and USA and UK as countries u no longer want to lead you down the garden path to another project."


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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:02 am

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    Interesting but not accurate... in reality the west has its hands on Putins jacket lapelle and is in no position to strangle Putin or Russia.... at the very worst the west could damage his jacket.... and the west is really not that big... it is more a case of the Wizard of Oz with some puny whimp pretending to be the all powerful Wizard, but it is all show... take away the US dollar and they are mediocre because their promises are empty and they never let their partners benefit... all the money and resources are funneled into the west.

    I'd cordon it off, make sure its covered by air defences, and send some robots in to start unloading things. Haul things out day in day out, and supply them straight to the front
    Don't let any good ammo go to waste

    Very much agree, but use it all now... don't keep it for storage... take as many precautions as possible and just send it to the front and use it and monitor its use to make sure it is not booby trapped to explode in use.

    I've read on Russian military forums calls to develop similar cheapo PGMs.

    The irony is that Russian PGMs are already cheapo and also effective.

    It is why I laugh at western talk of swarms of drones.... the west can't afford to make them cheap enough to be able to build a real swarm of drones... China and Russia and India could probably do it though... because they know how to make things affordable.

    DATA: A cumulative total of U.S. military aid to Ukraine since Russia's Feb. 24 invasion.

    February 25: $350 million
    March 12: $550 million
    March 16: $1.35 billion
    April 1: $1.65 billion
    April 5: $1.75 billion
    April 13: $2.55 billion
    April 21: $3.35 billion

    The irony is that this is supposed to be bleeding Russia dry, when in fact the US MIC is going to make a fortune because all this money and equipment means money added to defence budgets and needs to be replaced by new stock... new stock that is generally two to three times more expensive than the stuff being replaced...

    Don't agree on the overall dismissing of PCR,

    PCR thinks the west will continue as it is... that article was written by a Russian who thinks the west is about to collapse... I tend to think the US is about to experience what the French and British empires have already had to endure.... their power and influence is about to diminish... in the case of Britain and France it was because the US took over, in the case of the US it will be a general rejection of the US dollar because they are using it as a weapon, which is destroying its power.

    The west wont collapse but it wont be what it is now... the US wont be in charge... the EU might break up into regions with German dominated countries and French leaning countries and perhaps other groups as well, but no more blindly following Americas interests... ironically like the UK still does.

    There are tons of corpses at each Ukr position. Russian tactic is based on overwhelming firepower, at any sign of resistance, they just call the cavalry.
    The only reason why that is not falling apart is total censorship and nazi barrier troops.

    And anyone not believing that.... we already had the eye witness accounts of western special forces who went in and got a taste and then ran away... if western special forces can't cope, how would conscripts do?

    But then Ukrainian conscripts have never had artillery and air power on call like they were used to and their enemies never had artillery and airpower on call for themselves either.

    If Kadyrov was the Russian president, none of this would have happened because the CIA and MI6 would have run their psychological profiles on him and realized (unlike Putin) that he is far too dangerous to play games of brinkmanship.

    The huge irony is that the CIA and MI6 are dumb as **** and their profiles that told them they could play with Putin has led to the US getting hammered in the Middle East politically... even Saudi Arabia is talking about not using US dollars for oil... they got kicked out of Afghanistan and are not popular in Iraq or Syria, even Turkey does not like them very much. Putin got Crimea back for Russia and is in the process of killing lots of nazis, but like most nazis they are taking lots of innocents with them...

    Various Russian thinkers over the years have actually proposed that the only way Russia wins its existential battle versus the "West" is for Russia to become the economic, intellectual, and technological capital of the Muslim world.

    Russia wins the battle by showing the rest of the world that the way of the west is a dead end... the west will never let any part of the third world join it as an equal so the rest of the world has no future with the west. With Russia and China however, they won't hold the rest of the world down and are not afraid of trading with countries that are growing and developing too... it is the west that contains and isolates rivals and threats.

    Claiming Russia needs to lead the Muslim world is just the west thinking Orthodox Christians are weak or don't exist or are another threat... religion really does not come in to it. But Russia has proved it can talk to its enemies and get results... unlike the west it appreciates peace and uses war only as a very last resort.

    Imagine that world with Russia aligned with the fastest growing demographic in the world (and in the EU) and you have a nightmare scenario for the men behind the curtain.

    Russia is not opposed to any religion... except the made up ones like Scientology...

    FAB-5000 Laughing Laughing Laughing

    We need this:

    FAB-9000

    The Tu-22M3 should be able to carry three FAB-5000s, one on each wing pylon and one each in the internal weapon bay, but the FAB-9000 was traditionally carried internally by the Tu-16, which has an enormous internal weapons bay designed to carry the huge early nuclear bombs.

    Tu-16s were used in Afghanistan for the purposes of dropping FAB-9000s which had to be modified to add fuses to make them explode more uniformly... I seem to remember about 7 or 8 fuses to detonate the bomb properly.

    In a place like Ukraine where there is less rock and more topsoil such a bomb turns the dirt into liquid so underground tunnels liquify and fill in and then solidify... not a nice way to go really.

    I would love to see Kadyrov as President of Russia. And because he's muslim it would show how tolerant Russians are and multicultural. It would make the heads in the West explode lol. It would probably open up even more business with the muslim world as well, which would be good for Russia.

    That is quite sad. First of all why do you think electing a muslim to president just because they are muslim is every going to be a good thing? Second who gives a **** about what the west thinks... electing anyone except Putin in the last twenty years would have pleased the west... does that make it worth doing?

    The west wants a weak Russia and they don't care about human rights or democracy or freedom of religion, they just want Russia to be weaker and less competitive, so electing a cat to Russian president would please them, but what would that do for Russia? They don't care... but Russia would be weaker so they will be happy.

    Russia needs to realise the west is their enemy... if they werent sure them currently sending weapons to nazis in the Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers and murder ukrainian civilians is sending that message too... but thankfully the west only represents a tiny percentage of the world today so Russia can actually ignore that portion of the world that wants to brutally murder them and focus on creating relations with the rest of the world, which is also eager to grow and develop but has been prevented from doing so because the west controls most international organisations and structures.

    Russia and China and India and the rest of the world need to create alternative structures to operate for the rest of the world to promote growth and development that can't be misused as a weapon by the west.

    The west in it current form is evil.

    Russia can do business with the Muslim world without converting religion... or should the next Russian president be Chinese?

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:44 am

    Kadyrov is fine in his current role. He himself said that he doesn't see himself as a federal-level politician.

    I don't care if a Muslim becomes president of Russia. Main thing is that he should be the best man for the job and have all the qualities for the role. We nearly had one in the face of Ruslan Khasbulatov in the early 90s, another Chechen funnily enough, he's the one who in his capacity as the Chairman of the Supreme Soviet who led the revolt against Yeltsin that Yeltsin sent the tanks in against; the constitutional crisis of 1993. Highly educated economist and very experienced politician, authored numerous books. Not to be though.

    As for the Muslim world, Russia doesn't need to lead it, it's not its place. It doesn't need to teach Muslims about civilization, like the West tries to teach to everyone. Morality, civilization, democracy. But then it turns out they have none of those things when they start banning Russian/Belarussian tennis players, gloat about Russian soldiers' deaths in newspapers, and some clinics even refuse to perform orthognathic surgery on Russian kids.

    There are a bunch of Muslim countries with potential. Egypt, Iran, Pakistan. They all have huge human resources, in the case of Iran certainly a very long history and cultural tradition, in the case of Pakistan a powerful military, in the case of Egypt a very strategic location. They can all lead their own regions and the wider Muslim world.

    What Russia needs is good relations with the Islamic world based on mutual benefit. Sell them wheat, resources, technologies, military hardware, help set up industries, educate their students in Russian universities, train their military officers, invite them to visit Russia as tourists, invest in Russia, work here as specialists if they want. A lot of this was already done by the USSR earlier.
    In return Russia gets money, loyalty from its own Muslim minority, political influence in the Middle East, agricultural products and textiles that Russia doesn't produce, some foreign talent - and who knows in the future they may be the ones producing high-end technologies and all sorts of value-added goods that Russia can use.


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    Post  mnztr Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:46 am

    Airbornewolf wrote:UR-77, not just an anti-mining weapon.



    RF troops on the move under air cover.



    Man this helo look so vulnerable to a MANPAD

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