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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:16 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    The Kilo can stay submerged for 45 days and carries 4 Kalibr. Turkey closed the Bosporous on 28th Feb. Did they enter before that? How will they return to base now?

    ....Turkey has closed off the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits to warships from any country, whether or not they border the Black Sea, following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

    The strait closures will still allow warships through if they are returning to a home base in the Black Sea, according to reporting from Naval News. This would include Russian ships in the country’s Black Sea Fleet.

    https://news.usni.org/2022/02/28/turkey-closes-bosphorus-dardanelles-straits-to-warships

    Would it not make more sense for the subs to just transit the Bosphorus submerged? How would Turkey know? and if they did, what would they do about it? In any case they have enough Kaliber capable ships in the black sea as well as cruise missile capable bombers.

    Subs based in the Black Sea have the right to return to base and can sail through the straits on the surface to do so.

    Sutton adds that a couple of Kalibr-armed subs are in the Med, and *they* wouldn't be able to attack Ukrainian targets without overflying NATO territory. But that's like, why even mention it, not gonna happen.

    If they are needed they can cross in to the Black Sea but once in the Black Sea they would not be allowed to leave so they will likely stay where they are.

    I am sure this is wrong and no warships, regardless of home port, are allowed through. I remember at the time Russia officially accepting this.

    Note that no Black Sea home ported ships now based in Tartus have gone home.
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    Post  teh_beard Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:17 pm

    Arrow wrote:Now the entire alphabet will be banned in the West Laughing  Laughing

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    Post  MMBR Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:59 pm

    Have there been any meaningful analysis during this particular war regarding combined arms operations? It has been about 2 decades since the world saw a large combined arms operation like this... Or nothing new to say?

    Have there been any meaningful analysis during this particular war regarding air defense systems against drones or fighter/bombers/interceptors given this is the first conventional war for Russia since 2008... Or is it too early to say?

    In western media the Russian air force is painted as incompetent as they failed to destroy the entire Ukr ground based air defenses and air defense regiments (despite Ukr president begging for no-fly-zone). This has not changed since the start of the war. Can anyone assist with a more realistic account of what has occurred in the last 2 months between Ukr and Russian air defense & attack strategies against one another? For example we are not told if there were any meaningful air battles that occurred or if there were significant differences in strategy/tactics employed by each air force and army air defense regiments and if these were meaningful differences/similarities

    On another note there has been a large reduction in the number of Ukrainian articles in our newspapers this week (gives a good hint at the direction its taking).

    And I cant wait for this fellow to meet his brothers in arms in the nazibattalions https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1517130398853177344?cxt=HHwWgIC52eiD940qAAAA  
    (hopefully RA stomps them before they have enough time to lynch him)

    PS: Isn't it illegal for US citizens affiliated with military & intelligence to sign up to a foreign nation army and fight their war?


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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:32 am

    teh_beard wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Now the entire alphabet will be banned in the West Laughing  Laughing

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    Too bad, haha. I liked the idea.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:50 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    So these things could be more than just hearsay, then...

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    Depends, are these weapons going to the terrorists in Syria? They most likely are.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:52 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:I think that the goals of the Russian state are much clearer after this announcement, which was transmitted by TASS; "One of the tasks is to establish full control over the Donbass and Southern Ukraine, this will allow creating a land corridor to Crimea and another exit to Transnistria, Major General Rustam Minnekaev, Deputy Commander of the Central Military District, said".

    That announcement was also conveyed by Mikhail Onufrienko.



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    I wonder if the Dnеpropetrovsk region is also included. And if it isn't, it doesn't matter, everything from Kharkov to Odessa is enough.


    This is a question for after the war but how much will it cost Russia, if it wants to rebuild the parts that Russia takes?


    Also what happens to Gas pipeline going through Ukraine after 2024, is it going to be shut off?



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    Post  Regular Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:59 am

    MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:

    PS: Isn't it illegal for US citizens affiliated with military & intelligence to sign up to a foreign nation army and fight their war?

    Still a nigga

    https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/status/1516399856306241542

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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:41 am

    MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:Have there been any meaningful analysis during this particular war regarding combined arms operations? It has been about 2 decades since the world saw a large combined arms operation like this... Or nothing new to say?


    I am absolutely sure that all military manuals on tactics and strategies of modern warfare are being feverishly rewritten both in the Pentagon and in the military departments of the US satellite countries. Russia has already used several times more precision weapons than the United States has ever used in any single previous military campaign.
    Remember the stories that the Russians allegedly know how to fight with the help of numerical superiority and tactics of human waves? Here is an example for you: Russia is fighting in Ukraine, having about 200 thousand personnel against about 500 thousand Ukrainian military and militia directly supported by Western countries. And Russia continues the methodical extermination of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a ratio of about 1:6. In other words, one Russian soldier now has the military might of about 15 Ukrainian soldiers.

    And the Ukrainian army, even after decades of extinction, still remained one of the most capable armies in Europe, at least because of the level of material and technical equipment.
    So any European army will show even worse results in direct confrontation with the Russian one. And now think about this: the Ukrainian army has been preparing for this war for eight years, and the United States and their minions have been preparing. They literally taught Ukrainians to fight the way they fight. And now we are faced with such a catastrophic defeat. This is even worse than the situation in Georgia in 2008. This is a combined arms operation that shows that the level of training and combat effectiveness of the Russian army now exceeds anything they could even imagine.

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    Post  diabetus Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:55 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    MonkeymodelBananaRepublic wrote:Have there been any meaningful analysis during this particular war regarding combined arms operations? It has been about 2 decades since the world saw a large combined arms operation like this... Or nothing new to say?


    I am absolutely sure that all military manuals on tactics and strategies of modern warfare are being feverishly rewritten both in the Pentagon and in the military departments of the US satellite countries. Russia has already used several times more precision weapons than the United States has ever used in any single previous military campaign.
    Remember the stories that the Russians allegedly know how to fight with the help of numerical superiority and tactics of human waves? Here is an example for you: Russia is fighting in Ukraine, having about 200 thousand personnel against about 500 thousand Ukrainian military and militia directly supported by Western countries. And Russia continues the methodical extermination of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with a ratio of about 1:6. In other words, one Russian soldier now has the military might of about 15 Ukrainian soldiers.

    And the Ukrainian army, even after decades of extinction, still remained one of the most capable armies in Europe, at least because of the level of material and technical equipment.
    So any European army will show even worse results in direct confrontation with the Russian one. And now think about this: the Ukrainian army has been preparing for this war for eight years, and the United States and their minions have been preparing. They literally taught Ukrainians to fight the way they fight. And now we are faced with such a catastrophic defeat. This is even worse than the situation in Georgia in 2008. This is a combined arms operation that shows that the level of training and combat effectiveness of the Russian army now exceeds anything they could even imagine.

    I'm pretty sure the US used more PGMs during 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    Post  Scorpius Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:59 am

    diabetus wrote:
    I'm pretty sure the US used more PGMs during 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    I will not vouch for a 20-year period, but try to compare any comparable period of time: for example, in what two months has the United States used such a number of precision weapons anywhere?

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    Post  limb Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:19 am

    Scorpius wrote:
    diabetus wrote:
    I'm pretty sure the US used more PGMs during 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
    I will not vouch for a 20-year period, but try to compare any comparable period of time: for example, in what two months has the United States used such a number of precision weapons anywhere?
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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:22 am



    The proposed map of partition of Ukraine , allows the Russian sector to stop Ukraine sector from access to Black Sea shipping . Apart from loss of fishing rights for them and transport hub , which is not a very important economic factor ? They can still export / import to Europe by land border . So overall , am I right in saying that no existential threat exists for them , in this arrangement ?

    However for the Russian sector , the water for agriculture and drinking water , could be stopped by Ukraine ? If they built Dams on Dnieper River ? Or divert the River ? Is such a thing possible ? If so , then this will provide an existential threat for Russian sector . In this case , then the entire land East of River , should come under Russian control . And Odessa , could be left as Ukrainian port , allowing free trade , instead of relying on Poland ! Ukraine becoming part of Black Sea economy , instead of a Vassal state to Europe ?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:47 am

    Traditional evening cruise missiles incoming. Some already struck targets in the Nikolaev region.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:52 am

    PS surprised that UA didn't blow up the HUGE Balakliya ammunition depot when they retreated. Now it's in RU/LDNR hands.

    Granted, lots of the stock is quite old, and some blew up in a fire (probably arson, to cover up illegal selling) a few years ago. But still, huge depot and at least some of it can be put to use.




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    Post  par far Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:57 am

    nomadski wrote:

    The proposed map of partition of Ukraine , allows the Russian sector to stop Ukraine sector from access to Black Sea shipping . Apart from loss of fishing rights for them   and transport hub , which is not a very important economic factor ? They can still export / import to Europe  by land border . So overall , am I right in saying that no existential threat exists for them  , in this arrangement ?

    However for the Russian sector , the water for agriculture and drinking water , could be stopped by Ukraine ? If they built Dams on Dnieper River ? Or divert the River ? Is such a thing possible ? If so , then this will provide an existential threat for Russian sector . In this case , then the entire land East of River , should come under Russian control . And Odessa , could be left as Ukrainian port , allowing free trade , instead of relying on Poland ! Ukraine becoming part of Black Sea economy , instead of a Vassal state to Europe ?



    This is good analysis and something, that needs to be looked at more thoroughly.

    After the water problems in the Crimea, I think that the Russian side will look and study which parts they need and act accordingly.

    I don't think that Russia will leave Odessa, they will take that city one way or another, I think all land that is currently occupied by Nazis in Ukraine along the Black Sea is taken..

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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:58 am

    nomadski wrote:

    The proposed map of partition of Ukraine , allows the Russian sector to stop Ukraine sector from access to Black Sea shipping . Apart from loss of fishing rights for them   and transport hub , which is not a very important economic factor ? They can still export / import to Europe  by land border . So overall , am I right in saying that no existential threat exists for them  , in this arrangement ?

    However for the Russian sector , the water for agriculture and drinking water , could be stopped by Ukraine ? If they built Dams on Dnieper River ? Or divert the River ? Is such a thing possible ? If so , then this will provide an existential threat for Russian sector . In this case , then the entire land East of River , should come under Russian control . And Odessa , could be left as Ukrainian port , allowing free trade , instead of relying on Poland ! Ukraine becoming part of Black Sea economy , instead of a Vassal state to Europe ?

    Why should they be allowed to keep Odessa? They could still trade, they will just have to pay customs fees.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:59 am

    So this is basically what the official plan is now in terms of Russian goals for Ukraine, taking over the blue parts (except Crimea, which is already a part of Russia).
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    "An OSCE employee detained in the LPR admitted to passing classified information to foreign intelligence services, the Ministry of State Security of the republic reports."


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    Post  Hole Sat Apr 23, 2022 3:05 am

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:PS surprised that UA didn't blow up the HUGE Balakliya ammunition depot when they retreated. Now it's in RU/LDNR hands.

    Granted, lots of the stock is quite old, and some blew up in a fire (probably arson, to cover up illegal selling) a few years ago. But still, huge depot and at least some of it can be put to  use.





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    Jokes aside, I got some gruesome pics of dead Ukrops, left in trenches. They´re buried by the Russian Army, of course.


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