caveat emptor wrote:Podlodka77 wrote:How come you two, FP and Arkhangelsk, are not ashamed to be humiliated here? Unbelievers and cowards have no place in military forums. These worms like RTN and LIMB delight with your comments. They and people like them want to see some Russians whining. Do you have any pride, you piece of shit? You believe in Western propaganda, and you urinate on Russia and Putin yourself.
Why, because of a 40-year-old ship and several planes? Idiots, in our country, GYPSIES jumped and made fun on the destroyed F-117 ! YES, THAT MIRACLE OF AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY, which was withdrawn from use only 7 years after the Aggression on the FRY. That's why they pull the F-22, because it's a bucket that's only good for movies.
Their compatriots are dying. Criticising government doesn't mean they are against theor country. It only mean they are not happy with how government performs under circumstances. And, Russia is not Putin. Same like Milosevic wasn't Serbia. I, personally, didn't like the ****, but that didn't stop me from serving the army.
Nobody should close eyes to their mistakes. And strategic mistakes, which Ru government made are the worst kind and most costly. They not only cost lives, but lower the morale of troops in the field. You should remember complete absence of strategic goals during our war with Croatia. My older brother was stuck in Karlovac barracks with his unit for three months, and they were losing men daily, due to some botched belief of JNA officers that still believed in brotherhood and unity.
To get back to Russia, I'll give Putin credit where it is due, but on Ukraine he's been mostly wrong and his actions were just reactions to US moves.
Agree on everything you said except for the lack of brotherhood stuff
There is no brotherhood with Nazis and brainwashed peons but Russians and Ukrainians are one people and the later are steadily coming to that realization.
The priority should not be the decimation of their people, on the contrary. If you have to do that to win a war then you're a Nazi yourself. And no, in a civil war, which is what this is - it's not a battle between the peoples, but a battle between ideologies.
The priority should be the destabilization of their regime, its isolation from its people and the growth of the LDNR army through defections, so Ukrainians themselves can take more of the fighting against Nazi countrymen and regime loyalists onto their own shoulders and to increase support from the local population. Support from the local population is vital in a direct military sense as well, as if NATO or foreign mercs come in greater numbers, they can provide intel for where the Kalibrs should fly. In fact it's thanks to Russian-friendly forces on the ground there that already exist that all those missiles know where to fly. Russia cannot betray them.
If you go back on this like PD, you will achieve exactly the Western war aims - which is a permanent alienation between Russians and Ukrainians and a long-lasting insurgency. No, killing them all is not an option, for the last time. There is barely a Russian without Ukrainian relatives and vice-versa. We have so many Ukrainians and Ukrainian-born people in our own country that we will face severe internal troubles from any such tactics too. Fight the regime, it's ideology, its fanatics, its foreign supporters, not the people themselves.
You guys bring up the examples of Serbia. Guys, Serbia did not end up where it is only because it lost the war and because of Western propaganda. But because of people like Milosevic too that took the bait. And if you guys have given up on Yugoslavia, that's fine, enjoy being surrounded by NATO then, but Russians have not given up on the USSR and our neighbours will come around to our way of thinking, you will see.
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