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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:08 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:How come you two, FP and Arkhangelsk, are not ashamed to be humiliated here? Unbelievers and cowards have no place in military forums. These worms like RTN and LIMB delight with your comments. They and people like them want to see some Russians whining. Do you have any pride, you piece of shit? You believe in Western propaganda, and you urinate on Russia and Putin yourself.

    Why, because of a 40-year-old ship and several planes? Idiots, in our country, GYPSIES jumped and made fun on the destroyed F-117 ! YES, THAT MIRACLE OF AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY, which was withdrawn from use only 7 years after the Aggression on the FRY. That's why they pull the F-22, because it's a bucket that's only good for movies.

    Their compatriots are dying. Criticising government doesn't mean they are against theor country. It only mean they are not happy with how government performs under circumstances. And, Russia is not Putin. Same like Milosevic wasn't Serbia. I, personally, didn't like the ****, but that didn't stop me from serving the army.
    Nobody should close eyes to their mistakes. And strategic mistakes, which Ru government made are the worst kind and most costly.  They not only cost lives, but lower the morale of troops in the field. You should remember complete absence of strategic goals during our war with Croatia. My older brother was stuck in Karlovac barracks with his unit for three months, and they were losing men daily,  due to some botched belief of JNA officers that still believed in brotherhood and unity.
    To get back to Russia, I'll give Putin credit where it is due, but on Ukraine he's been mostly wrong and his actions were just reactions to US moves.

    Agree on everything you said except for the lack of brotherhood stuff

    There is no brotherhood with Nazis and brainwashed peons but Russians and Ukrainians are one people and the later are steadily coming to that realization.
    The priority should not be the decimation of their people, on the contrary. If you have to do that to win a war then you're a Nazi yourself. And no, in a civil war, which is what this is - it's not a battle between the peoples, but a battle between ideologies.
    The priority should be the destabilization of their regime, its isolation from its people and the growth of the LDNR army through defections, so Ukrainians themselves can take more of the fighting against Nazi countrymen and regime loyalists onto their own shoulders and to increase support from the local population. Support from the local population is vital in a direct military sense as well, as if NATO or foreign mercs come in greater numbers, they can provide intel for where the Kalibrs should fly. In fact it's thanks to Russian-friendly forces on the ground there that already exist that all those missiles know where to fly. Russia cannot betray them.

    If you go back on this like PD, you will achieve exactly the Western war aims - which is a permanent alienation between Russians and Ukrainians and a long-lasting insurgency. No, killing them all is not an option, for the last time. There is barely a Russian without Ukrainian relatives and vice-versa. We have so many Ukrainians and Ukrainian-born people in our own country that we will face severe internal troubles from any such tactics too. Fight the regime, it's ideology, its fanatics, its foreign supporters, not the people themselves.

    You guys bring up the examples of Serbia. Guys, Serbia did not end up where it is only because it lost the war and because of Western propaganda. But because of people like Milosevic too that took the bait. And if you guys have given up on Yugoslavia, that's fine, enjoy being surrounded by NATO then, but Russians have not given up on the USSR and our neighbours will come around to our way of thinking, you will see.


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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:08 pm

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    I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old.

    So, 9 years old when he joined this forum. Truly impressive.

    Yeah, that's the age that they start playing call of duty in the collective west.

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    Post  Werewolf Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Really no evidence for 10 Ka-52 (at most 3), or 10 Su-25 (1-2 but more could have been downed over friendly territory)

    BTW, to make you happier Arkhangelsk, here is a T-72 which survived 3 NLAW or Javelin hits

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42787

    Here is one that survived a mine

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42758

    About mobilization, etc.. yes it's probably necessary, but doing it immediately and full-on is very risky. It would lead to large losses from ambushes against reservist troops with no combat experience, which will all be recorded and photographed, fueling Ukrainian propaganda about destroying the Russian army. And that will hamper Russian morale as well.

    Instead it's necessary to do it gradually as what is being done in fact. Steady formation of new brigades & battalions, rotation of volunteers and professional fighters, with those who finished a tour being assigned to form the core of new brigades, that will be manned partially by reservists, and partially by fresh volunteers. So a low key partial mobilization in other words, and performed only slowly.
    Advances should be measured. For now the Ukrainians and NATO are throwing a whole bunch of cannon fodder against gained Russian positions where all artillery and air defenses are already deployed.
    It's necessary to keep the special operation name, with its crusading aims of demilitarization and denazification, and keep to the aim of surrounding the Donbass grouping and forcing its surrender. This will cause huge morale blows and more support amongst part of the Ukrainian population for the Russian mission, helping with intel or joining the fight.

    Those numbers are from the highly credible source of "Oryx" with not agenda.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Dude, I would "sink" all your teeth !!!
    Look at this, you stinker, I've been following you and that stink RTN for days, I'd break you both! You would sink like Bismarck if I were in front of you.
    There is nothing for a coward like you two and those whiners FP and Arkahangelsk to write! Fool, Russia has entered a war that the United States did not enter since the Vietnam War era. Come on, let them bring their aircraft carriers in front of the Russian borders, so let's see. The same goes for Arleigh Burke destroyers.

    Allah Akbar! lol1

    Dude relax a bit. You're in agony over the humiliation vis-a-vis the Moskva. That's understandable. But yes there will be losses in war, and even displays of basic incompetence, not every officer deserves his post or can display the required level of proficiency in a crisis. It's important to accept that and move on, confident that the loss is not fatal and the naval plans will be adjusted. I posted about the Moskva and I don't share the opinion that it's loss is only symbolic - it was a key vessel in the Black Sea fleet and its anti-air and anti-ship strike power as well as its command functions. But nevermind, it's replacement for the BSF flagship role will be a helicopter carrier and those are already on the way.

    And yes the failed political-military strategies and plenty of other mistakes by the leadership we've been over here in this forum.
    It's naive to assume the enemy doesn't make mistakes either. They were planning a bank run in Russia, not a long war, but a short one until dissent kicks in here and the economy seizes up. Now that they have a long war on their hands, they're suddenly going back on their words about only sending small arms, and sending trainloads of heavy equipment instead - as the Ukrainian ones have mostly been taken out. Scrounging up decades-old crap in storage with no upgrades such as East German BMP-1s and Czech T-72M1s. Now sending Mi-17s out of the arsenal they had planned for the Afghan military before said military collapsed in 11 days.
    Sending Bosnian and Chechen Islamists, Uighurs, all sorts of TikTok celebrity warriors who get pummeled, ex-Afghan military commandos who now work in their PMCs; all their tools across all their vast empire. Emptying all their stocks of old equipment, ammo, and so on, and now facing a 2nd front with China, tensions with India, and more trouble in the Middle East.
    Don't worry, it's important only for Russia to keep pinning them in the Ukraine, with steady advances, while taking out all their supplies and mercenaries. The rest of the world will start to discard their threats over cutting ties with Russia.

    War consists of among other things, a constant struggle to outsmart your opponent, cloak your true intentions, pursue and adjust your strategy, adopt new tactics and evolve or discard them when the enemy adapts to them

    From what I can see the core of competency is there at levels in the Russian military. Because they display the ability to very rapidly adapt. Tank columns come in with marching formation but people aren't greeting you with flowers? Engagement orders were adjusted in 3 days. High-tempo of advance leading your forces into traps? Lower your tempo within another few days and focus on taking out the traps with your own artillery and helicopters. Bayraktars taking out vehicles? Haven't seen a video from them past the first 2 weeks, only reports of them being shot down daily. Negotiations were betrayed? Well pretend to adhere to them anyway for diplomatic and operational reasons, until your opponent is the one who threatens to cut all negotiations if Mariupol is taken. Opponent massacring his own civilians to put the blame on you? Expose the devil.

    And yes each failed step, each lesson comes with a cost, as does the Moskva. Main thing is that the lessons are learned, and that the peacetime officer corps, which is really the same in every army - an armed bureaucracy; is whipped into fighting shape and the no-gooders are rapidly weeded out as talent is allowed to rise to the top.

    What do you think what would have sunk sooner an american Arleigh Burke class destroyer or Ticonderoga class cruisers ;
    1. 1164 class cruiser or 22350 class frigate,
    2. 971 Schchuka-B SSN,
    3. 945A Kondor SSN,
    4. 885 Yasen-M,
    5. 949A Antey ?

    I guess you're Russian and you know what it means PODLODKA ? I believe in submarines.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:12 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Really no evidence for 10 Ka-52 (at most 3), or 10 Su-25 (1-2 but more could have been downed over friendly territory)

    BTW, to make you happier Arkhangelsk, here is a T-72 which survived 3 NLAW or Javelin hits

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42787

    Here is one that survived a mine

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42758

    About mobilization, etc.. yes it's probably necessary, but doing it immediately and full-on is very risky. It would lead to large losses from ambushes against reservist troops with no combat experience, which will all be recorded and photographed, fueling Ukrainian propaganda about destroying the Russian army. And that will hamper Russian morale as well.

    Instead it's necessary to do it gradually as what is being done in fact. Steady formation of new brigades & battalions, rotation of volunteers and professional fighters, with those who finished a tour being assigned to form the core of new brigades, that will be manned partially by reservists, and partially by fresh volunteers. So a low key partial mobilization in other words, and performed only slowly.
    Advances should be measured. For now the Ukrainians and NATO are throwing a whole bunch of cannon fodder against gained Russian positions where all artillery and air defenses are already deployed.
    It's necessary to keep the special operation name, with its crusading aims of demilitarization and denazification, and keep to the aim of surrounding the Donbass grouping and forcing its surrender. This will cause huge morale blows and more support amongst part of the Ukrainian population for the Russian mission, helping with intel or joining the fight.

    Those numbers are from the highly credible source of "Oryx" with not agenda.

    It's personally what I counted through Ukrainian photos, or the vids of the Mi-28N being downed, the Ka-52, etc..

    But I haven't looked at enemy propaganda for a while so I don't know the latest.

    Last I heard Russia lost 1-2 planes in the Donbass over the last few days of fighting. Probably Su-25s. That's from a pro-Russian source.
    The Ukraine has been losing a plane pretty much every 1.5 days going by Rus MoD reports, and a helicopter at about the same rate too.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:15 pm

    No comment expected from Kiev!

    Wonder what had the range to take it down now the S-300F is no more. Perhaps they thought they were safe, like the RuN.

    Bets on Il-76 or AN-124?

    Update(1632ET): In what appears Moscow's "answer" to the US and NATO countries continuing to supply major weapons systems to Ukrainian forces, state agency TASS is claiming that Russian forces have brought down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was transporting Western arms. It would mark a massive battlefield development if confirmed, potentially escalating conflict more directly with the West, now that Russia is actively targeting Western arms shipments.

    The alleged shoot down occurred outside Odessa via anti-air systems, says TASS, while citing Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov. Though remaining unconfirmed, China state media has also picked up the report, citing the defense ministry statement, which reads:

       “Near Odesa Russian anti-aircraft defense forces have shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane, which was delivering a large shipment of arms supplied to Ukraine by Western counties,” Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said Saturday.

    However, there's nothing in the way of independent or outside sources confirming it, and Ukraine's military has not issued any statements, nor are they likely to admit that their military aircraft were transporting Western weapons shipments, even if accurate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-renews-long-range-strikes-kiev-following-disastrous-loss-warship

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:16 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No comment expected from Kiev!

    Bets on Il-76 or AN-124?

    Update(1632ET): In what appears Moscow's "answer" to the US and NATO countries continuing to supply major weapons systems to Ukrainian forces, state agency TASS is claiming that Russian forces have brought down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was transporting Western arms. It would mark a massive battlefield development if confirmed, potentially escalating conflict more directly with the West, now that Russia is actively targeting Western arms shipments.

    The alleged shoot down occurred outside Odessa via anti-air systems, says TASS, while citing Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov. Though remaining unconfirmed, China state media has also picked up the report, citing the defense ministry statement, which reads:

       “Near Odesa Russian anti-aircraft defense forces have shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane, which was delivering a large shipment of arms supplied to Ukraine by Western counties,” Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said Saturday.

    However, there's nothing in the way of independent or outside sources confirming it, and Ukraine's military has not issued any statements, nor are they likely to admit that their military aircraft were transporting Western weapons shipments, even if accurate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-renews-long-range-strikes-kiev-following-disastrous-loss-warship

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:22 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:No comment expected from Kiev!

    Bets on Il-76 or AN-124?

    Update(1632ET): In what appears Moscow's "answer" to the US and NATO countries continuing to supply major weapons systems to Ukrainian forces, state agency TASS is claiming that Russian forces have brought down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was transporting Western arms. It would mark a massive battlefield development if confirmed, potentially escalating conflict more directly with the West, now that Russia is actively targeting Western arms shipments.

    The alleged shoot down occurred outside Odessa via anti-air systems, says TASS, while citing Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov. Though remaining unconfirmed, China state media has also picked up the report, citing the defense ministry statement, which reads:

       “Near Odesa Russian anti-aircraft defense forces have shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane, which was delivering a large shipment of arms supplied to Ukraine by Western counties,” Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said Saturday.

    However, there's nothing in the way of independent or outside sources confirming it, and Ukraine's military has not issued any statements, nor are they likely to admit that their military aircraft were transporting Western weapons shipments, even if accurate.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-renews-long-range-strikes-kiev-following-disastrous-loss-warship

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    Post  psg Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:28 pm

    FP that mil mi-28 shoot down, was the mi-28a, not mi-28n. The mi-28n has the distinctive radar mast on top of the main rotor. That was the shoot down in which the tail section split off from the main fuselage body, in Donbass.
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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:33 pm

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    par far wrote:I don't know how old you are but by reading your posts you seem like 15-16 years old....

    To quote 15 year olds: **** off



    par far wrote:...NATO not only gave the Ukrainian, the weapons, they have trained them for 8 years and right now, they are providing Ukrainian with live satellite images and other information, while being indirectly being involved in this war....

    So fucking what?

    Apes got some basic infantry training and are wearing fancy uniforms, none of that shit makes them impervious to bombs, missiles and artillery

    Ape in fancy suit will die just the same as ape with burlap sack around his ass

    They are alive because Russia is allowing it



    par far wrote:As for kill all the Ukrainians and destroy, everything Ukrainian, this is not possible because Russians have to live in Russia and Ukraine is right next to Russia, if you don't believe me, check a map....

    They won't have to live next to them if they kill them



    par far wrote:...If Russia destroys every Ukrainian city, than it becomes Iraq or Libya and Russia cannot forget about it like the United States because it is far....

    What are you ranting about?



    par far wrote:...Look at what Libya has become for Europe, it has become a launch pad for immigrants, refugees and criminals to come to Europe and cause havoc and destroy everything European....

    And all these Ukrainian apes will be running to Europe thus making Russia's job easier



    par far wrote:...And you don't to tell the Russians what the Nazis think about them, almost every Russian has someone that passed away in the Patriotic War.

    Someone has to since they are treating them better than they treat their own soldiers



    Two months ago everyone here was in agreement that Ukrainians are what Ukrainians are: Nazi inbred apes but today they suddenly became some NATO looking genius super-soldiers?

    Not a single thing about Ukrainians has changed since two months ago but everyone here started proclaiming them to be some kind warrior master race just so they could make excuses for Russian pussyfooting

    Apes should be dead but apes are still not dead, that's Russia’s omission not Ukrainian success



    There is not point with talking/arguing(pick which ever) with you because just as 15-16 year, you are just spewing your typical nonsense.

    NATO special forces have had 8 years to train the Ukrainian army and infect it with Nazi ideology.

    Whoever said that the Ukrainian army is a pushover, does not understand military strength.

    If Russia was to destroy Ukraine as you say, it becomes a Afghanistan for Russia and this is exactly what the collective west wants.

    Russia does not want to destroy Ukraine, Russia wants to capture Ukraine and the way Russia took the Kherson Region proves this point and this is the correct way.

    Most of the people that don't want to live in Ukraine under Russian control will be allowed to go to west Ukraine and than to Poland and the collective west.

    The regions under Russian control will proably be populated with Ukrainians that have pro Russian views/feelings(most of these Ukrainians are already in Russia) this will take a little while but not long. I think we will see this in the Kherson Region.

    This is probably too much for you to grasp and the same goes for the other internet arm generals here but in the long term this will be more advantageous to Russia.


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    Post  caveat emptor Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:34 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
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    Podlodka77 wrote:How come you two, FP and Arkhangelsk, are not ashamed to be humiliated here? Unbelievers and cowards have no place in military forums. These worms like RTN and LIMB delight with your comments. They and people like them want to see some Russians whining. Do you have any pride, you piece of shit? You believe in Western propaganda, and you urinate on Russia and Putin yourself.

    Why, because of a 40-year-old ship and several planes? Idiots, in our country, GYPSIES jumped and made fun on the destroyed F-117 ! YES, THAT MIRACLE OF AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY, which was withdrawn from use only 7 years after the Aggression on the FRY. That's why they pull the F-22, because it's a bucket that's only good for movies.

    Their compatriots are dying. Criticising government doesn't mean they are against theor country. It only mean they are not happy with how government performs under circumstances. And, Russia is not Putin. Same like Milosevic wasn't Serbia. I, personally, didn't like the ****, but that didn't stop me from serving the army.
    Nobody should close eyes to their mistakes. And strategic mistakes, which Ru government made are the worst kind and most costly.  They not only cost lives, but lower the morale of troops in the field. You should remember complete absence of strategic goals during our war with Croatia. My older brother was stuck in Karlovac barracks with his unit for three months, and they were losing men daily,  due to some botched belief of JNA officers that still believed in brotherhood and unity.
    To get back to Russia, I'll give Putin credit where it is due, but on Ukraine he's been mostly wrong and his actions were just reactions to US moves.

    Agree on everything you said except for the lack of brotherhood stuff

    There is no brotherhood with Nazis and brainwashed peons but Russians and Ukrainians are one people and the later are steadily coming to that realization.
    The priority should not be the decimation of their people, on the contrary. If you have to do that to win a war then you're a Nazi yourself. And no, in a civil war, which is what this is - it's not a battle between the peoples, but a battle between ideologies.
    The priority should be the destabilization of their regime, its isolation from its people and the growth of the LDNR army through defections, so Ukrainians themselves can take more of the fighting against Nazi countrymen and regime loyalists onto their own shoulders and to increase support from the local population. Support from the local population is vital in a direct military sense as well, as if NATO or foreign mercs come in greater numbers, they can provide intel for where the Kalibrs should fly. In fact it's thanks to Russian-friendly forces on the ground there that already exist that all those missiles know where to fly. Russia cannot betray them.

    If you go back on this like PD, you will achieve exactly the Western war aims - which is a permanent alienation between Russians and Ukrainians and a long-lasting insurgency. No, killing them all is not an option, for the last time. There is barely a Russian without Ukrainian relatives and vice-versa. We have so many Ukrainians and Ukrainian-born people in our own country that we will face severe internal troubles from any such tactics too. Fight the regime, it's ideology, its fanatics, its foreign supporters, not the people themselves.

    You guys bring up the examples of Serbia. Guys, Serbia did not end up where it is only because it lost the war and because of Western propaganda. But because of people like Milosevic too that took the bait. And if you guys have given up on Yugoslavia, that's fine, enjoy being surrounded by NATO then, but Russians have not given up on the USSR and our neighbours will come around to our way of thinking, you will see.
    My point of brotherhood had everything to do with how war was waged in Croatia where generals from other era were limiting possibility of army to even retaliate normally in self defence. Ukrainians and Russians are much closer than Serbs and Croatians are. Especially people from East and South Ukraine. So, it is not exactly right to draw parallels there. Also, our history was much bloodier. 
    Only objection that i would have on current war btw Ru and Ukraine is that Ukrainian soldiers should get what every enemy deserves in battlefield. No half measures or anything else. Don't forget that bulk of units around Donbas are from Western Ukraine or far right battalions. For example, at Popasna, you have a brigade from Lvov. Those units are much less likely to surender and they fight hard. In order to change how people think, first thing you keed is to win on the battlefield.
    As for the comment about Milosevic, i can assure you that he didn't take any baits and that he only used nationalism to take and keep power. That man wasn't a patriot. Not even close.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:36 pm

    JohninMK wrote:No comment expected from Kiev!

    Wonder what had the range to take it down now the S-300F is no more. Perhaps they thought they were safe, like the RuN.

    Bets on Il-76 or AN-124?

    [i]Update(1632ET): In what appears Moscow's "answer" to the US and NATO countries continuing to supply major weapons systems to Ukrainian forces, state agency TASS is claiming that Russian forces have brought down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was transporting Western arms. It would mark a massive battlefield development if confirmed, potentially escalating conflict more directly with the West, now that Russia is actively targeting Western arms shipments.....

    They were allowing transport planes to fly uninterrupted all this time? Suspect


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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:40 pm

    psg wrote:FP that mil mi-28 shoot down, was the mi-28a, not mi-28n. The mi-28n has the distinctive radar mast on top of the main rotor. That was the shoot down in which the tail section split off from the main fuselage body, in Donbass.

    Most Mi-28Ns don't have that radar mast on top. It's like with the Apache, only 1 in 5 of them or something. One in the squadron.

    I doubt there are any Mi-28As in service, maybe a couple of examples from way back sitting in storage somewhere. They were never adopted or put into production.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:41 pm

    psg wrote:FP that mil mi-28 shoot down, was the mi-28a, not mi-28n. The mi-28n has the distinctive radar mast on top of the main rotor. That was the shoot down in which the tail section split off from the main fuselage body, in Donbass.

    There is no Mi-28A in service for like ever. The shot down Mi-28 was UB version "trainer version". The Arbalet radar is modular can be equipped or not and in case of the Ukraine the Arbalet radar would probably give every mobile ADS/SHORAD with passive radar great opportunity to kill it unnoticed.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:49 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    Bets ; C-130

    From Crimea to Odessa is ~300km so looks like a good test for 40N6 lol1 lol1 lol1
    If it was c-130 then why nato keeps silence like you were not there? Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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    Post  psg Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:51 pm

    Thanks for the clarification.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:52 pm

    More on the sailors. The comments in the thread basically tear it apart. Probably from December or February.

    https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1515428576593592324

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 16, 2022 10:59 pm

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:03 pm

    The only relevant analysis is how the final stand of the Kiev regime will play out in the LDNR cauldron. But all we have is
    diversionary theater over the Moskva. Russia is supposed to sign an unconditional surrender ASAP. attack

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:04 pm

    BTW there was this video from mid-March claiming a downed Mi-28N



    What is it? I have my doubts it's actually a Mi-28N
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:More on the sailors. The comments in the thread basically tear it apart. Probably from December or February.

    https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1515428576593592324

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    A little better than my estimate. We can hope for another 50 or so injured, psychologically jarred or otherwise recovering.

    These guys on the parade all have their discipline and spirits high. But it won't be like that for everyone.

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:24 pm

    kvs wrote:The only relevant analysis is how the final stand of the Kiev regime will play out in the LDNR cauldron.   But all we have is
    diversionary theater over the Moskva.   Russia is supposed to sign an unconditional surrender ASAP.  attack


    The Killer Clown president said that finishing Mariupol mercs and NAZIs : "the destruction of the military in Mariupol will put an end to the negotiations"

    Is that  US general so worth it? or some more high ranked US/UK officers? + Frenchie neocon. BTW no negotiations Putin has free hand isnt it? lol1 lol1 lol1
    https://ria.ru/20220416/zelenskiy-1783905091.html

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:32 pm

    kvs wrote:The only relevant analysis is how the final stand of the Kiev regime will play out in the LDNR cauldron.   But all we have is
    diversionary theater over the Moskva.   Russia is supposed to sign an unconditional surrender ASAP.  attack

    The Ukrainians and the Nazis have been trapped in the Donbass for a while now, one has to wonder, how much food and ammo they have left?

    As for the negotiations, I don't think that Russia was ever serious about that, it might have just been to give diplomatic cover to China and India.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:39 pm

    Another thing is, the western media is going crazy about the Kherson Region.

    There might be a referendum in the Kherson Region.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:40 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:More on the sailors. The comments in the thread basically tear it apart. Probably from December or February.

    https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1515428576593592324

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    A little better than my estimate. We can hope for another 50 or so injured, psychologically jarred or otherwise recovering.

    These guys on the parade all have their discipline and spirits high. But it won't be like that for everyone.

    True patriots go to the army, as well as people who do NOT go to the army because they think of Putin (like you), but go to serve in the army with the most famous military history in the last 300 years. Well, that's the difference between them and you.
    Most of the tankers who survived the destruction of their tank will want revenge.
    The same goes for pilots, sailors, etc. These are people who decided to do military service and your opinions would be funny to them.



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