Maybe someone with insight into the Kremlin can explain how 80k Russian soldiers are supposed to defeat 500k Ukrainian soldiers, marines, militia, and civil defense fighters.
They seem to be making their objectives....
With artillery and air power you don't need a big force... look at the taliban being defeated by Afghan forces supported by US special forces calling in air power.... the afghan force doesn't need to be big or powerful... if the taliban form up to fight they get hit by air power and destroyed. If they hide then they get mopped up in small pockets, and if they run then the air power can run them down and the afghans take the territory.
The only way a smaller force can beat a larger one , is massive bombardment
If you send in 80k guys against 200k , you need to bombard the area prior
It's a simple concept
If you send those 80k against 200k and hit some logistics , but don't do anything to the manpower
It's going to be a bloodbath
As the smaller force moves around because it has fuel, the larger enemy force has to form up to stop them... every where and every time they form up obliterate them with artillery and air power... it isn't hard... if they try to run your smaller force can chase them down and slaughter them.
Bottom line is that there should be a stalinesque purge of the Russian navy leadership since they're so incompetent to lose their high value cruiser.
Funny how the solution is always remove putin or remove the people in charge... enemies of Russia seem so keen on blaming every little thing on their leadership which makes it clear how they fear them... all the more reason to keep them on I would say.
Those complaining that 80K soldiers can't defeat much larger groups of soldiers by surrounding them and cutting them off and then crushing the pockets... was done by both sides multiple times on the eastern front in WWII.
This 10d chess , incompetence cover-up has to stop
As you say... you are not Putin and have no control.
As the great war criminal WInston Churchill once said:
War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can't smile, grin. If you can't grin, keep out of the way till you can.
You need to leave the table and grow up a bit before trying to follow what is happening... posting opinion based on Kievs propaganda, is just endorsing the propaganda of nazis.
No Russian warships we're lost in the winter war. Let that sink in.
There were no Russian warships in the Winter War shit for brains.
Russia made the mistake when they allowed NATO to decide who gets to be in NATO, another nonsense that needs to be corrected
Of course... when Putin signed that document that allowed countries to join HATO if they wanted... that was Putins biggest mistake.
Putins solution is fine... more orc nazis have died in the last few weeks than the last 8 years.
A suitable retaliation first is to rebuild the Moscow ship .
Suitable response would be to lay down a new destroyer and call it Moskva.
Basically the principle is the same for everyone. All cool until the war comes to your own yard
It is not complicated.
The US wanted to sharpen and shape the Ukraine into a weapon to kill Russians.
Putin has sent Russian troops into the Ukraine to destroy that weapon and melt its edges and break it into pieces... just like the west did with Yugoslavia two decades ago.
The negotiations mean nothing because the things Zelensky signs are worth nothing anyway, this is about destroying Ukrainian weapons and Orcs and Nazis.
[quote]Because they know what it means. The Moskva was a major component of Russian strike power in the Black Sea, and nuclear deterrant as well as it can be armed with tactical nucleaf warheads.
Without it Russia's position is weakened significantly and it has to take decisive action to secure the entire Ukrainian coast.[/wuote]
Bullshit, it was largely obsolete and had less communication equipment than their new Corvettes.
I wouldn't have started the war. Not like this. I still stick to this position. But whatever, the momentum of events is going only in one direction and I don't think even the leaders at the top can stop it at this stage.
If you were in charge Russia would be fucked years ago.
This forum needs to be cleaned up.
Was going to, but thought these 5th columnist cowards need to be visible and obvious.
Russia has been through worse crisis than this, and many times. Our heartland is secure. But we do need a mental shift.
You need to deal with a future without the west and the US and realise your nukes keep you safe and this war will remove nazis from your doorstep and release some of your neighbours from a horrible future at their mercy.
The west will not be the same when the taps get turned off.
They talk tough but they are used to very comfortable lives and have already migrated widely around the world to escape the situation in Europe... mass migration number three? (original one then one after WWII ended and now).
Turkey can turn around tomorrow and let the NATO fleet in
Fill the Black Sea with smart mines and watch the fun...
We need all the ships we can get and we just lost our biggest one
The two Kirovs are bigger and vastly more useful as is the Kuznetsov.
The Moskva would be useful after a decent upgrade... but a place filler without one.
If turks let nato in wel hit em with Bulava
HATO ships in the Black Sea are fish in a barrel.... they would be terribly vulnerable and not really capable of doing very much at all.
Kinzhal would sink anything from shore to shore in minutes.
The rules regarding entry to the Black Sea means ships of greater than 15K ton are not permitted and neither are aircraft carriers... not that it would matter much.
The flagship and command ship of one of the 4 major fleets has been sunk. This creates a serious security crisis of escalation with NATO. It is no longer possible to carry on the operation as it was before, we are threatened with conventional war with NATO, even unofficially, on the territory of the Ukraine - and the calculation will be made that a larger foothold is necessary immediately to stave off the threat to mainland Russian territory
It was a place holder and token ship they didn't bother to upgrade... that is how unimportant it was.
"We took a major loss because it is a proxy war. NATO is commanding Ukrainian forces." Okay, what is the next step to victory for Russia?
They will have been monitoring HATO communications with buildings and locations in the Ukraine, in Kiev and elsewhere... they could start bombing those instead of just listening.
Well, I waited 49 days to piss, moan, and have a few sippy-poos of vodka.
Going back into hiding. Hopefully things will be better in another week or two.
Take FP and PD and a few others with you... you can easily find them.... the ones that upvoted each other in your press releases direct from Zelensky himself.
NATO has voiced its intention to help the Ukraine retake Crimea,
Which is something Putin and the people of Crimea will never accept so that is great in terms of your fears of him selling out and giving up too much in negotiations.
The prestige lost and the morale boost to the Ukraine nullifies all results in the Donbass to date.
You think losing a ship is comparable to liberating the people of the Donbass then you are a fool.
One moment you demand he goes easy because they are all Russians too, and then they sink a ship and you think what... kill them all...
Russia has to find some way of 'pussyfooting' ultimately. When it comes to the Ukrainian rank and file and the general population. Their Nazi leadership and assorted fanatics are highly expendable.
They have tried to be nice and humane and it hasn't worked... they need to start grinding those cauldrons and hunting down civilian vehicles that drive around a lot.
I'm not scared shitless. I have a backbone as one needs to have in this situation
It doesn't mean I can't write what I honestly think here on this forum
Spreading Nazi propaganda suggests you have a very flexible anus.
Sadly I can confirm all of this. The narrative from official Washington and the twittersphere is that Putin and the Russian government must be taken down and placed before a show trial and that Russia must be carved up. You are fighting Satan. There are many of us in the west who do support you, but our voices are increasingly stifled on social media. Please, rise up, and make yourselves worthy of your ancestors of Nevsky, of Donskoi, or Minin and Pozharksy, of Kutuzov and Suvorov, of Zhukov and Konev, you must not fail. You cannot fail.
They also said Assad must go too of course....
To be honest, Russia could use some EU style commissions. Sure, they take forever and are boring as hell, but they help straighten out deep lying issues.
Yeah, when I have a problem I always solve it by thinking about what the EU would do...
The Moskva had search radars and tracking radars. It has S-300F and OSA as well as 6 x 30mm gatling guns and 130mm guns as well, each with radar guidance and the ability to independently shoot down subsonic targets at a range of distances. Yet it could not intercept the incoming Neptune cruise missiles.
Which is why continuing to claim it was sunk by the Ukraine using missiles is so absurd.
I'm curious if now NATO ISR asset will also be jammed. Considering the incredible value of information they could provide.
Bomb facilities in the Ukraine it communicates with.
I know this will trigger fanboys but hey you gotta ask the question "How this happened" this isn't like losing a tank, this is a much bigger deal
We all know exactly what happened but we are not telling you obviously.
Russian MOD confirmed the ship was being towed and went down, only reason the ship would be towed is because it was damaged and lost power. Ukraine did get Neptunes, so all the facts align with the claim the ship got hit by them.
No they don't because Kiev claimed they got two hits on the ship and it sank immediately... there was no towing mentioned they said it turned over and sank after being hit.
Reuters is bullshit propaganda.
Moskva's systems aren't modern at all.
Capable enough to deal with sea skimming missiles.
There is more evidence it did then didn't,
No, there isn't. Claims from sources proven to be liars in the past does not equate to evidence or facts.