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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:58 pm

    MOSCOW, 8 April. /TASS/. Russia has delivered 9,780 tons of humanitarian aid to Ukraine since March 2. This was stated on Friday by the head of the National Defense Control Center of the Russian Federation, Colonel-General Mikhail Mizintsev.
    "Since March 2, the Russian Federation has already delivered 9,780.3 tons of humanitarian supplies to Ukraine," said Mizintsev, who heads Russia's interdepartmental coordination headquarters for humanitarian response in Ukraine.
    According to him, the federal executive authorities, together with the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, various public organizations and patriotic movements, continue to accumulate humanitarian aid in temporary accommodation centers. Over 22.5 thousand tons of food, medicines and essentials have been prepared at collection points.
    Since March 2, the Russian Federation in Ukraine has carried out 772 humanitarian actions, including over the past five days in the Donetsk, Lugansk people's republics and Kherson region, during which 259 tons of essentials, medicines and food were handed over to the civilian population. On Friday, nine humanitarian actions are being held in the Donetsk, Lugansk people's republics and Kherson region, during which 197 tons of essentials and food are transferred to the population.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:58 pm

    kvs wrote:Mercouris is fretting that Russia may not fully grasp that the clowns running the US are going to go for broke.
    I think he is wrong.   This is not about Ukraine and Russia's government gamed a confrontation with NATzO.
    It would be retarded not to do so.   Since NATzO is bent on destroying Russia, it does not matter what tricks
    it tries to use, including their Ukr proxies.   As their proxies get removed from the board, NATzO deciders will
    have to commit their own asses to attempt to get what they want.   But their asses will be carbonized.
    All that fantasy about preemptive nuclear strikes on Russia is not going to create reality.  


    There's no point destroying Russia if you end up destroying yourself too. I don't think the West will risk it

    However there's a new Cold War officially on, and like the first major conflict of the previous Cold War was Korea, we are now seeing the Ukraine as the new battleground - and perhaps with the same outcome

    NATO needs to block Russia from linking with Hungary, so it may well decide to enter Western Ukraine, regardless of whatever capitulation Kiev ends up signing - NATO will find an excuse, and Russia won't risk escalating against them, so long as they keep to Western Ukraine. Russia will keep the rest of the battered country.

    Next the battleground will the rest of the world, NATO will pursue a strategy of containment against Russia, China and Iran, and will engineer coups, military interventions and so on.
    It will have to drop the globalist model, even Scholz is talking about this - and thus play by the same rules as everyone else. But without the food and energy resources. It will have to gain those from other continents.

    NATO will also attempt to hold onto the Caucasus, because it needs this bridge to Central Asia and Turkmenistan's reserves. Russia and Kazakhstan may attempt to swing Turkmenistan to their side instead. There's Uzbekistan, who's currently drifting closer to Erdogan and NATO since the January events in Kazakhstan. It was all for building ties with Russia until then, but now Russia's at its border essentially, things are tenser. But it may not have much choice but to be swallowed up into the collective. Turkmenistan, it's only outside window, is still officially neutral and is only interested in selling its oil/gas to the highest bidder; while most of Uzbekistan's trade is with Russia, China and Kazakhstan.

    There will be a scramble for Africa. Russia holds a soft-power advantage there and China the economic advantage. The West has some loyal states; mostly just the former British colonies such as Kenya though. But few African states are particularly stable, so we'll see all sorts of proxy wars, separatist conflicts, etc.. being provoked

    The US will double down on South America. But it's position there is a lot weaker than in the Cold War. It may have to get involved militarily to swing things to its favour again.

    Asia will mostly draw towards China. Vietnam, Laos, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Philippines, Myanmar, Thailand. The West still has some strongholds; Singapore, potentially Indonesia and Malaysia - but China can probably swing them. Australia, Japan and South Korea will be the main Western allies, although South Korea may decide to jump ship depending on how things go. Taiwan will be reinforced, while China will carry on building up.
    India will stay neutral and try to get benefits from both sides.

    The Middle East and North Africa - I think Algeria may get taken down. It's too independent. Although it has a strong military. Egypt will probably remain neutral. Israel will move decidedly towards America. Iran's influence will only strengthen in the rest of the Middle East
    I'm predicting military action against Saudi Arabia. They're moving closer towards China and burying the hatchet with Iran. Can't be allowed. And they have the oil the West needs

    Russia itself will gain only a little from the conflict. A battered better half of the Ukraine. Maybe Moldova. There will be a contest for the Balkans, but Russia's position is not necessarily so strong there, especially with Turkey keeping conditional loyalty to the US.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:11 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:Mercouris is fretting that Russia may not fully grasp that the clowns running the US are going to go for broke.
    I think he is wrong.   This is not about Ukraine and Russia's government gamed a confrontation with NATzO.
    It would be retarded not to do so.   Since NATzO is bent on destroying Russia, it does not matter what tricks
    it tries to use, including their Ukr proxies.   As their proxies get removed from the board, NATzO deciders will
    have to commit their own asses to attempt to get what they want.   But their asses will be carbonized.
    All that fantasy about preemptive nuclear strikes on Russia is not going to create reality.  


    There's no point destroying Russia is you end up destroying yourself too. I don't think the West will risk it

    However there's a new Cold War officially on, and like the first major conflict of the previous Cold War was Korea, we are now seeing the Ukraine as the new battleground - and perhaps with the same outcome

    NATO needs to block Russia from linking with Hungary, so it may well decide to enter Western Ukraine, regardless of whatever capitulation Kiev ends up signing - NATO will find an excuse, and Russia won't risk escalating against them, so long as they keep to Western Ukraine. Russia will keep the rest of the battered country.

    Next the battleground will the best of the world, NATO will pursue a strategy of containment against Russia, China and Iran, and will engineer coups, military interventions and so on.
    It will have to drop the globalist model, even Scholz is talking about this - and thus play by the same rules as everyone else. But without the food and energy resources. It will have to gain those from other continents.
    I'm predicting military action against Saudi Arabia. They're moving closer towards China and burying the hatchet with Iran. Can't be allowed.


    Really, Saudi Arabia? And what about Algeria, Egypt, Iran? Will they attack Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Cuba and Venezuela? The West has been masturbating to the glorious Roman Empire for over 2,000 years, and that is how it will end - as the Roman Emiper. A small number of reasonable people and people who think for themselves have remained in the West - they are a minority. The West has made its population obedient oxen that listen to their media almost as one. There is a greater chance of a nuclear war than a change of government and coups in Russia or China.
    What coups are you writing about? Man, that is no longer the case, and Russia has bitten the hook that will most likely hit the head of the fisherman. There is no chance for a coup and a change of government in Russia or China. I hope you understand what the word "red line" means, as well as that the Russians have warned not to cross that line.


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    Post  Urluber Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:13 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:What the United States sells and makes a living from; McDonalds (garbage), Coca-Cola (garbage), Starbucks - what the hell do they know about coffee?
    A land of illusions, lies, deception, hypocrisy, Hollywood lies, etc. The only, but the only good thing that originated in the USA is the blues and rock and roll.


    They are masters of propaganda. Must give them that. Hollywood etc.
    When I revisited some old cartoon from USSR labeled as propaganda in the capitalist countries I realized maybe the main area where USSR was lacking behind the USA. The cartoon was about capitalist greed leading to degeneration of society - it ended in a dog becoming the most important person in capitalistic country because it had inherited millions of dollars of money. I watched it and thought average western kid would not understand a **** of what it was about. USA on the other hand made cartoons where everyone gets killed and the characters scream simple oneliners. The most simple human being understands it: kill others or get killed yourself. America killing the most = America winning.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:14 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:Mercouris is fretting that Russia may not fully grasp that the clowns running the US are going to go for broke.
    I think he is wrong.   This is not about Ukraine and Russia's government gamed a confrontation with NATzO.
    It would be retarded not to do so.   Since NATzO is bent on destroying Russia, it does not matter what tricks
    it tries to use, including their Ukr proxies.   As their proxies get removed from the board, NATzO deciders will
    have to commit their own asses to attempt to get what they want.   But their asses will be carbonized.
    All that fantasy about preemptive nuclear strikes on Russia is not going to create reality.  


    There's no point destroying Russia is you end up destroying yourself too. I don't think the West will risk it

    However there's a new Cold War officially on, and like the first major conflict of the previous Cold War was Korea, we are now seeing the Ukraine as the new battleground - and perhaps with the same outcome

    NATO needs to block Russia from linking with Hungary, so it may well decide to enter Western Ukraine, regardless of whatever capitulation Kiev ends up signing - NATO will find an excuse, and Russia won't risk escalating against them, so long as they keep to Western Ukraine. Russia will keep the rest of the battered country.

    Next the battleground will the best of the world, NATO will pursue a strategy of containment against Russia, China and Iran, and will engineer coups, military interventions and so on.
    It will have to drop the globalist model, even Scholz is talking about this - and thus play by the same rules as everyone else. But without the food and energy resources. It will have to gain those from other continents.
    I'm predicting military action against Saudi Arabia. They're moving closer towards China and burying the hatchet with Iran. Can't be allowed.


    Really, Saudi Arabia? And what about Algeria, Egypt, Iran? Will they attack Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Cuba and Venezuela? The West has been masturbating to the glorious Roman Empire for over 2,000 years, and that is how it will end. A small number of reasonable people and people who think for themselves have remained in the West - they are a minority. The West has made its population obedient oxen that listen to their media almost as one. There is a greater chance of a nuclear war than a change of government and coups in Russia or China.
    What coups are you writing about? Man, that is no longer the case, and Russia has bitten the hook that will most likely hit the head of the fisherman. There is no chance for a coup and a change of government in Russia is not possible. I hope you understand what the word "red line" means, as well as that the Russians have warned not to cross that line.

    Well I extended my post above

    If I had to make a list of targets - then Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Venezuela are definitely top of the hit list

    Saudis for the oil and being disloyal, Algeria for being a strong independent potentially pro-Russian state too close to Europe, and Venezuela as the most 'militant' of the anti-American alliance in Latin America, and for its oil too.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:17 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    kvs wrote:Mercouris is fretting that Russia may not fully grasp that the clowns running the US are going to go for broke.
    I think he is wrong.   This is not about Ukraine and Russia's government gamed a confrontation with NATzO.
    It would be retarded not to do so.   Since NATzO is bent on destroying Russia, it does not matter what tricks
    it tries to use, including their Ukr proxies.   As their proxies get removed from the board, NATzO deciders will
    have to commit their own asses to attempt to get what they want.   But their asses will be carbonized.
    All that fantasy about preemptive nuclear strikes on Russia is not going to create reality.  


    There's no point destroying Russia is you end up destroying yourself too. I don't think the West will risk it

    However there's a new Cold War officially on, and like the first major conflict of the previous Cold War was Korea, we are now seeing the Ukraine as the new battleground - and perhaps with the same outcome

    NATO needs to block Russia from linking with Hungary, so it may well decide to enter Western Ukraine, regardless of whatever capitulation Kiev ends up signing - NATO will find an excuse, and Russia won't risk escalating against them, so long as they keep to Western Ukraine. Russia will keep the rest of the battered country.

    Next the battleground will the best of the world, NATO will pursue a strategy of containment against Russia, China and Iran, and will engineer coups, military interventions and so on.
    It will have to drop the globalist model, even Scholz is talking about this - and thus play by the same rules as everyone else. But without the food and energy resources. It will have to gain those from other continents.
    I'm predicting military action against Saudi Arabia. They're moving closer towards China and burying the hatchet with Iran. Can't be allowed.

    Really, Saudi Arabia? And what about Algeria, Egypt, Iran? Will they attack Brazil, Argentina, Peru, Cuba and Venezuela? The West has been masturbating to the glorious Roman Empire for over 2,000 years, and that is how it will end - as the Roman Emiper. A small number of reasonable people and people who think for themselves have remained in the West - they are a minority. The West has made its population obedient oxen that listen to their media almost as one. There is a greater chance of a nuclear war than a change of government and coups in Russia or China.
    What coups are you writing about? Man, that is no longer the case, and Russia has bitten the hook that will most likely hit the head of the fisherman. There is no chance for a coup and a change of government in Russia or China. I hope you understand what the word "red line" means, as well as that the Russians have warned not to cross that line.

    I mean they will engineer coups, military interventions against the rest of the world. That's the whole point. Take away Russia's and China's markets and surround them.
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    Post  Urluber Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:27 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:




    Let's do it again! Just to remind everyone of their place

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    Post  Podlodka77 Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:28 pm

    FP, do you really think that the United States has the strength to strike at Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Iran, Venezuela? Even if they do it all in an interval of 10 years, that is, to hit each of these countries one by one in a different period of time - it is impossible. There are more countries, of course, but it is unlikely that any of those countries will surrender after being hit by Tomahawk cruise missiles and aviation. And again, they did not solve anything, even to attack those countries, because China and Russia still exist.

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    Post  LMFS Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:30 pm

    Russian Defense Ministry
    🇷🇺🇺🇦 Russian Defense Ministry briefing (08.04.2022)

    ◽ ️ The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation in Ukraine.

    💥 On the afternoon of April 8, high-precision air-launched missiles destroyed a large warehouse of rocket and artillery weapons in the area of the settlementNimirovskoe, Odessa region. The aircraft of the Ukrainian armed forces was also destroyed at the Kanatovo military airfield in the Kirovohrad region.

    💥 Operational-tactical aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 54 military facilities in Ukraine. Among them:: control point, two fuel depots, a field ammunition depot, two multiple rocket launchers, as well as 45 strongholds and areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.

    💥 Russian air defense systems in the area of the settlementNovomikhailovka-a Ukrainian Su-27 plane was shot down in the air.

    📊 In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 126 aircraft, 421 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,024 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 225 multiple launch rocket systems, 876 field artillery and mortar guns, and 1,923 were destroyed. units of special military vehicles.


    ◽ Today, on April 8, the Ukrainian armed forces launched a Tochka-U tactical missile attack on the Kramatorsk railway station.

    ◽ Tactical missiles "Tochka-U", the wreckage of which was found in the area of the railway station in Kramatorsk, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces.

    ❗ I would like to note that the maximum range of the Tochka-U rocket is 120 km. The mass of the warhead is 482 kg and contains 20 fragmentation combat elements, each 7.5 kilograms, forming about 16 thousand fragments.

    ◽ Analysis of the warhead's radius of destruction, as well as the characteristic position of the Tochka-U missile's tail section, clearly confirms that it was launched from the south - western direction from Kramatorsk.

    ◽ According to intelligence reports, one of the divisions of the 19th missile Brigade, armed with Tochka-U missile systems, was located near the village of Dobropillya at the time of the attack on Kramatorsk. Donetsk region, 45 km southwest of Kramatorsk. This area is still under the full control of the Ukrainian group of troops in the Donbas.

    ◽ I want to emphasize that you haveThe Krajina armed Forces still possess a significant arsenal of Tochka-U missiles.

    ◽ Before the start of the special military operation, the Kiev regime had at its disposal 20 Tochka-U missile systems, which include two launchers each.

    ◽ During the special military operation, 8 Ukrainian Tochka-U launchers and about 90 percent of the missiles in the arsenals were destroyed.

    ◽ Nevertheless, the threat of the Kiev regime continuing to carry out provocations and rocket attacks on populated areas with civilians remains high.


    ◽ The joint operation of the group of troops of the Donetsk People's Republic and units of the Russian armed Forces to completely liberate the city of Mariupolcontinues.

    ◽ The results of radio intercepts showthat in addition to the Nazis from the Azov battalion and the remnants of the Ukrainian armed forces, there are a significant number of foreign mercenaries in the occupied areas of the city. In addition to Ukrainian and Russian, radio conversations are conducted in six other, mostly European, foreign languages.

    ◽ Obviously, the city is currently blocked not by defenders of the so-called "European values", but by foreign mercenaries. Arrived to kill Slavs for American dollars, hiding behind a" human shield " of civilians.

    ◽ The Kiev nationalist regime refused to withdraw the militants from Mariupol.

    ◽ With this in mind, the city will definitely be liberated by the troops of the Donetsk People's Republic and units of the Russian armed Forces.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:34 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:FP, do you really think that the United States has the strength to strike at Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Iran, Venezuela? Even if they do it all in an interval of 10 years, that is, to hit each of these countries one by one in a different period of time - it is impossible. There are more countries, of course, but it is unlikely that any of those countries will surrender after being hit by Tomahawk cruise missiles and aviation. And again, they did not solve anything, even to attack those countries, because China and Russia still exist.

    Yes I think they have the strength. But they don't have too much time.

    The West will consolidate into a European nationalist union based on media dictatorship, will massively increase military spending, weapons R&D, and expand standing armies.

    They will cut through these states one at a time and hit them with everything they have, shock & awe. Unless these states submit of course.
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:35 pm

    Slovakia transferred to Ukraine a division of the S-300PMU anti-aircraft missile system

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4511030.html

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:48 pm

    Now it makes sense why the Israeli's were quick accuse Russia of war crimes. For the record FlammingPussy back in 2014 angrily lectured me about why I shouldn't condemn the Pissraeli's providing military technical support for the Ukronie/Ukrazi lol!

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Now it makes sense why the Israeli's were quick accuse Russia of war crimes. For the record FlammingPussy back in 2014 angrily lectured me about why I shouldn't condemn the Pissraeli's providing military technical support for the Ukronie/Ukrazi lol!

    I'm really not the type to stick up for Israel

    But a lot of unsubstantiated accusations against me lately. From being soft on the Turks (when in fact I was advocating a hardline), to now apologizing for Israel.
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:11 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:
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    ...The warhead was almost certainly the anti-personnel 9N123F, given the lack of an impact crater and lack of significant structural damage on surrounding buildings. It blows up about 20m above ground, showering the area in shrapnel..


    A single warhead? I hadn't looked at the photos and I thought they were cluster munitions.

    No briefing today but found this good report of today's fighting

    https://topwar.ru/194668-protivnik-ispolzuet-taktiku-manevrennoj-oborony-svodka-po-specoperacii-vs-rf-na-ukraine.html

    I see almost no structural damage at all anywhere, and no craters, just piles of dead people that look as though they've been shot, again consistent with shrapnel. A few cars parked nearby caught fire though - red hot shrapnel pierced their fuel tanks I guess.

    I'd guess that the warhead exploded some 50 meters north west of the station, above the rails at 15-20m altitude tops (the datasheet for the warhead says 10-20m). Most dead are in the outdoor waiting area to the south adjacent to the station. One person was killed on the parking lot in front of the station, right where the burned cars are, and there is an opening towards the area of explosion right there, between the station and another structure.

    Meanwhile, the thin tin roofs of several adjacent buildings are untouched etc. Suggesting a near horizontal shrapnel "spray" pattern from low altitude.

    edit:south waiting area too

    So, just based on the photos and videos:

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    I am no expert on any of these things so I could be completely wrong, but typically the engine unit falls off shortly before impact and has a lot more drag and less momentum (grid fins, blunt front, empty husk of metal) than the warhead (streamlined, heavy), so it falls short of the intended target, in this case a bit over 100m, and it gives a rough idea of the trajectory.

    The warhead that I am guessing it was (9N123F), again I could be wrong but that's what it looks like to me, has a stated coverage of between 2 and 3 hectares, so I went with about 2.5 hectares here. Since it detonates at a low altitude, stated as 15 +/- 5m, buildings of modest height are enough to absorb a lot of it (it is designed to be used in the open), and would create obvious "shadows" for the 14 500 pieces of pre-fractured anti-personnel shrapnel it carries, which is also supported by the locations of the victims.

    Flight path is just a rough estimate, the engine unit doesn't necessarily fall *completely* in line, but never far from it, absolutely certain southwestern origin. We do know from eyewitnesses that they saw and heard it incoming from the southwest as well, and the RU MoD immediately mentioned Dobropolye/Dobropillya specifically. So all of that adds up.

    So, just to illustrate my line of thought, nothing else. R.I.P to those poor souls...

    I think one can also discount the theories of an accident (malfunction, shootdown).

    These are designed to be used against masses of soft targets in an open field, there are no such Russian or separatist ditto within range, given the established trajectory, so there's no legitimate military reason to fire it in this direction at all.

    A shootdown would have been quite noticeable, with booms at high altitude, and surely mentioned by someone by now, and it wouldn't produce such obvious results of the warhead detonating exactly as designed, or the engine unit being found in this fashion close to impact, as typical of a Tochka-U strike.

    Moreover, this is still quite the distance from the actual front line, so any engaging SAM would have had to fly quite far, without anyone noticing. Again unlikely, or ruled out.

    In Donetsk, the Ukrainian attempts at Tochka strikes that were shot down happened at rather short range, terminal phase, and a big heap of nondescript burning debris was all that hit the ground.

    The ones that succeeded, such as the one that hit less than a month ago and killed 20+ civilians, looked exactly like this.

    Everything simply points to an absolutely deliberate mass murder of civilians gathered to leave by train. The March 14 strike with an anti-personnel Tochka on a completely civilian area of Donetsk was also deliberate mass murder.





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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:12 pm

    From the reports of different network users, it would seem that Mariupol would be about to fall.

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    Several Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered to Russian and militia forces.

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