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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:03 am

    flamming_python wrote:

    One woman wrote in the comments under one of Shariy's videos that her son is from Odessa, who was always for the Russian world, but is now mobilized into the army and stationed in the city. And? So what now? If Russia is killing its own adherants, due to its own mistakes that has allowed the regime to consolidate and then mobilize them?

    And what reason do the Ukrainians have to love us, exactly, even if Russia forces a surrender of the Ukraine tommorow? Yes they suffered mostly military casualties, but a lot of them - and these are all someone's sons, fathers, brothers, uncles, nephews. +30k dead now, and I don't even know how many wounded. A mass humanitarian crisis due to the absence of fuel, that will lead to a failure to plant the spring harvest. The economy ground to a stop. Millions of refugees. Everyone's plans for life ruined.


    why do you expect Ukrainians to love you? Did Germans love US? or did Japanese?   no they didn't. They will love once there is a govt which is not killing own citizens and there is food and work. After couple of years with a proper education you got the new gen of "Russian world" citizens.


    FP wrote: Ultimately, we could have lived with the Ukrainian regime, so long as it wasn't planning to attack the Donbass or the Crimea. Was it or wasn't it?
    And then when Putin did strike, it turned out that he was unprepared, and it all turned into a nightmare.

    So how would you prepare better? Assuming US strategy also changed over time. What if they did plan intervention. US planners simply   didn't assume that Putin raise alarm to nuclear forces?


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    Post  Stealthflanker Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:36 am

    Will Russia respond with hostility to Finland joining NATO tho ? The Ukraine case has been neuralgic to Russia but they dont seem to say anything about their Scandinavian neighbors.
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    Stealthflanker wrote:Will Russia respond with hostility to Finland joining NATO tho ? The Ukraine case has been neuralgic to Russia but they dont seem to say anything about their Scandinavian neighbors.
    Russia can just ban all Finnish freight, air flights (if it's not been restricted already), Northern Passage route. It's interesting because Nokia phones were rated as the 5th most popular brand in China, and rated number 1 in India and Vietnam (back in 2012).

    https://mspoweruser.com/nokia-still-on-the-list-of-most-popular-brands-in-asia/

    By restricting Finnish freight to Asia would have significant impact on Nokia's economies of scale and ultimately it's market-share in Asia.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:06 am

    Russia does not need to say anything about Finland joining NATO

    It has no unresolved territorial conflicts with Russia. Maybe they can dig up the pre-39 borders but I doubt it.

    What's at stake in the Ukraine is US hegemony and the very existence of NATO.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:06 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:Another video in which it is said that Russia has all the possibilities to lower the value of the dollar to 40 to 50 rubles for one dollar. Yuri states that Russia has prepared well for the economic war with the West in the past few years, and that he thinks that this is not the case with the EU and the USA.
    Juri states that Europe will face a drop in production and an increase in inflation due to the impossibility of accessing the raw materials they imported from Russia.
    Also, Juri predicts that there will be a drop in personal income in Europe, while the cost of living will increase. The worst thing that could happen would be the possibility of hyperinflation in the EU, because that would lead to regime change in many EU countries.

    I think this man connects things well.




    I just wrote this: the European Union will foot the bill for the West's conflict with Russia. Giving up cheap and plentiful commodities doesn't seem like a smart move. But in fact many globalist governments can fall. The French could be a game changer if Le Pen wins, which could change things.
    Another thing I've noticed, which doesn't help Ukraine at all, is Zelensky's intrusive behavior. He acts like an unemployed person that at first everyone tries to help, but if he doesn't find a job soon, it starts to be inconvenient. Nobody likes people who are asking all the time. He needs to solve his own problems. He is becoming a saturated person. A little while longer, no one can take it anymore.

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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:18 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia does not need to say anything about Finland joining NATO

    It has no unresolved territorial conflicts with Russia. Maybe they can dig up the pre-39 borders but I doubt it.

    What's at stake in the Ukraine is US hegemony and the very existence of NATO.

    You don't get how dangerous it is for the world.

    Finland is at artillery range of the bases where they have half of their SSBN and something like 40% of their sytategical nuclear missiles.

    US could use nuclear shells from 152 and 203mm guns for a first strike.

    It's way more dangerous than tomahawks in Ukraine or cuban missile crisis.

    This could lead to a first nuclear strike on Finland and nato HQ to deter this happening.

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    Post  ludovicense Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:37 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Will Russia respond with hostility to Finland joining NATO tho ? The Ukraine case has been neuralgic to Russia but they dont seem to say anything about their Scandinavian neighbors.

    These countries have military terms will be of little relevance. It's a stupid move as it's equivalent to putting a target on the forehead.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:38 am

    Isos wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Russia does not need to say anything about Finland joining NATO

    It has no unresolved territorial conflicts with Russia. Maybe they can dig up the pre-39 borders but I doubt it.

    What's at stake in the Ukraine is US hegemony and the very existence of NATO.

    You don't get how dangerous it is for the world.

    Finland is at artillery range of the bases where they have half of their SSBN and something like 40% of their sytategical nuclear missiles.

    US could use nuclear shells from 152 and 203mm guns for a first strike.

    It's way more dangerous than tomahawks in Ukraine or cuban missile crisis.

    This could lead to a first nuclear strike on Finland and nato HQ to deter this happening.

    If Finland is then so is Norway, which is already in NATO.

    And let them try it. Zirkons are already due to be equipped on SSGNs. Russia just needs to build more of them.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:39 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Will Russia respond with hostility to Finland joining NATO tho ? The Ukraine case has been neuralgic to Russia but they dont seem to say anything about their Scandinavian neighbors.

    Make a public statement: The moment you sign I nuke you.
    This is what America did and worked fine for them.
    Speak to the people rats with the language they understand.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Apr 08, 2022 2:00 am

    We should go into finland, for rovaniemi

    That's a good airbase to control the baltics and the Scandinavians

    We can ground the Swedish gripens from rovaniemi

    Also the British f35 and the b52 at lakenheath

    I want us to hit the British hard

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