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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon 21 Mar 2022, 07:52

    kvs wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Kiev has refused to surrender Mariopol and let the remaining civilians out.

    They've already lost the city. They're completely surrounded, supplies are running out, and it's just a bunch of dug-in Azovites pretty much, who will lose, there's no way around it.

    Seems absolutely idiotic to me not to give up, and extremely cruel to the civilians, but I suppose it's just an attempt to keep the Russians, DNR and Chechens busy down there for a little bit longer so they can't join the northern ops just yet.

    The problem is that the Kiev regime is maintaining an insane propaganda bubble.   It cannot "surrender" Mariupol because that would undermine
    the basis of this propaganda.   They are spreading the blood libel that the civilians who manage to leave the city are sent to Russian
    concentration camps where they are tortured and murdered.  


    The schizophrenic nature of the propaganda is increasingly being recognized though. It's hard to reconcile "they're shooting women, children and the elderly on sight!" with "these brave, unarmed civilians made a Russian convoy back off!"

    I wonder for how long they can maintain it. Even Zelensky's own propaganda stunt vis-a-vis Knesset seems to have backfired.


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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon 21 Mar 2022, 07:54

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Kiev has refused to surrender Mariopol and let the remaining civilians out.

    They've already lost the city. They're completely surrounded, supplies are running out, and it's just a bunch of dug-in Azovites pretty much, who will lose, there's no way around it.

    Seems absolutely idiotic to me not to give up, and extremely cruel to the civilians, but I suppose it's just an attempt to keep the Russians, DNR and Chechens busy down there for a little bit longer so they can't join the northern ops just yet.

    It is cruel.

    Put it on the list when its time to Convict Porky and Zelensky.
    That they may chop rock's in some middle of nowhere place in Siberia until they succumb to wear and tear, Frostbite or the Rats.

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    Post  diabetus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 08:30

    I would love it if Ukraine rejected the WW2 Japanese strategy it is currently employing. Ukraine isn't Okinawa.

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    Post  LMFS Mon 21 Mar 2022, 09:18

    Worth reading, especially for our local 6th column Laughing

    https://thesaker.is/the-many-great-coming-outs-triggered-by-the-war-in-the-ukraine/

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon 21 Mar 2022, 09:21

    diabetus wrote:I would love it if Ukraine rejected the WW2 Japanese strategy it is currently employing. Ukraine isn't Okinawa.

    It is the West that holds Zelensky's Leash. This blood is on the West its hands.
    If the West would pull the plug, he had nowhere to go but total surrender.

    Guy is literally an TV clown, Fighting to the Death with only his own spine in the game does not exist.

    Not that it matters, The Bear is out the cage.
    Zelensky is only delaying the inevitable.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon 21 Mar 2022, 09:30

    In the U.S. Gas stations now start to enforce Gas tanking limits.

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    And instead of fixing that problem, Biden goes on his Bike-ride.....
    With "special needs" helmet included.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon 21 Mar 2022, 09:46

    Airbornewolf wrote:
    diabetus wrote:I would love it if Ukraine rejected the WW2 Japanese strategy it is currently employing. Ukraine isn't Okinawa.

    It is the West that holds Zelensky's Leash. This blood is on the West its hands.
    If the West would pull the plug, he had nowhere to go but total surrender.

    Guy is literally an TV clown, Fighting to the Death with only his own spine in the game does not exist.

    Not that it matters, The Bear is out the cage.
    Zelensky is only delaying the inevitable.

    The fucker isn't in Ukraine. Someone pointed out how the outlets in one video are the standards in Poland and not in Ukraine. Along with his greenscreen video....

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    Post  diabetus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:03

    So what's happening with Krivoy Rog?
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    Post  diabetus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:06

    Any updated Mariupol maps?
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:07

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Airbornewolf wrote:
    diabetus wrote:I would love it if Ukraine rejected the WW2 Japanese strategy it is currently employing. Ukraine isn't Okinawa.

    It is the West that holds Zelensky's Leash. This blood is on the West its hands.
    If the West would pull the plug, he had nowhere to go but total surrender.

    Guy is literally an TV clown, Fighting to the Death with only his own spine in the game does not exist.

    Not that it matters, The Bear is out the cage.
    Zelensky is only delaying the inevitable.

    The fucker isn't in Ukraine. Someone pointed out how the outlets in one video are the standards in Poland and not in Ukraine. Along with his greenscreen video....

    You mean the one with the disappearing painting behind him?. lol1

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    He most likely is in the West already.
    Does not matter, he will be the next Mikheil Saakashvili.

    I sure would never give up tough to get my hands on him.
    Im sure Russia will not either.

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    Post  Serberus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:15

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    diabetus wrote:Any updated Mariupol maps?

    Latest 1 from SF, not sure how accurate it is
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    Post  diabetus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:20

    Serberus wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 5 16921b10
    diabetus wrote:Any updated Mariupol maps?

    Latest 1 from SF, not sure how accurate it is

    That looks unchanged from the one on the 16th.

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    Post  Broski Mon 21 Mar 2022, 10:48

    LMFS wrote:Worth reading, especially for our local 6th column Laughing

    https://thesaker.is/the-many-great-coming-outs-triggered-by-the-war-in-the-ukraine/
    From the Saker
    • The 6th columnists.  Ruslan Ostashko calls them the “emo-Marxists”, which is a good expression which I shall adopt.  These are also called “hurray patriots” or “turbo patriots”.  They blame Putin for being weak, sold out to the West, corrupt and dishonest.  They also oppose Putin’s ideology (patriotism instead of nationalism, and economic liberalism) and for decades now they are the ones who say 1) Putin has sold out or 2) Putin is about to sell out 3) all is lost.  For them a “Putin victory” in the Ukraine would be way WORSE than the total defeat of Russia by the West.  Thus they wrap themselves in the flag of patriotism, but in reality they are what Russians call “defeatists” (пораженцы).

    Sounds like a particular member that we're all very familiar with here, our very own resident 6th Columnist пораженцы.

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    Post  Serberus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 11:02

    diabetus wrote:
    Serberus wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 5 16921b10
    diabetus wrote:Any updated Mariupol maps?

    Latest 1 from SF, not sure how accurate it is

    That looks unchanged from the one on the 16th.

    The parts labelled yellow in the previous map (area of fighting) are now red (secured)
    Its probably as accurate as we will get at the moment considering street fighting is ongoing and situation is fluid
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    Post  Airbornewolf Mon 21 Mar 2022, 11:26

    Broski wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Worth reading, especially for our local 6th column Laughing

    https://thesaker.is/the-many-great-coming-outs-triggered-by-the-war-in-the-ukraine/
    From the Saker
    • The 6th columnists.  Ruslan Ostashko calls them the “emo-Marxists”, which is a good expression which I shall adopt.  These are also called “hurray patriots” or “turbo patriots”.  They blame Putin for being weak, sold out to the West, corrupt and dishonest.  They also oppose Putin’s ideology (patriotism instead of nationalism, and economic liberalism) and for decades now they are the ones who say 1) Putin has sold out or 2) Putin is about to sell out 3) all is lost.  For them a “Putin victory” in the Ukraine would be way WORSE than the total defeat of Russia by the West.  Thus they wrap themselves in the flag of patriotism, but in reality they are what Russians call “defeatists” (пораженцы).

    Sounds like a particular member that we're all very familiar with here, our very own resident 6th Columnist пораженцы.

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    Take your Defeatism elsewhere.

    And i am not even Russian lol1

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    Post  kvs Mon 21 Mar 2022, 11:27

    The Mariupol fighting is slow since there are still 130,000 hostages being held by the Azov terrorists.

    If Americans were involved they would level the city and then have their fake stream media ignore the civilian casualties.
    Take Fallujah as an example.

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    Post  limb Mon 21 Mar 2022, 12:06

    kvs wrote:The Mariupol fighting is slow since there are still 130,000 hostages being held by the Azov terrorists.

    If Americans were involved they would level the city and then have their fake stream media ignore the civilian casualties.
    Take Fallujah as an example.

    If it will take more than a month to completely clear up mariupol, how long will the kharkov siege last? 3 months? 4? Karkov is almost 3 times as populous as mariupol.

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    Post  Serberus Mon 21 Mar 2022, 12:31

    I don’t see them holding on for another month, Nazis have been cut off for what now almost two weeks? They are going to be running low on ammo and fuel soon if not already, as fanatical as they are , that will only get you so far…they still need supplies to fight and they aren’t  getting any more than what they already had when they got encircled.

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    Post  Hannibal Barca Mon 21 Mar 2022, 12:35

    Well, truth to be told, if the plan is to keep sieging major cities Mariupol style, it will probably get too long and you might stretch too thin. Going against the heads of state, paralyzing central command and control and sealing the Western boarder might be required.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon 21 Mar 2022, 12:46

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian large landing ship "Orsk", accompanied by the naval forces of the Black Sea Fleet, entered and unloaded military equipment in the port of Berdyansk.

    Ukrainian troops that were based in Berdyansk - thousands and thousands of soldiers and sailors - surrendered the port without a fight, leaving the entire infrastructure of the port intact ...

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    Post  GarryB Mon 21 Mar 2022, 13:23

    Of course Ukrainian troops should be engaged there where they pose a threat or engage in combat action. But hitting them in their barracks is brutality. Hit them when they're out on the field instead.

    So don't attack them when they are together and an easy target... wait till they are all in position killing Russian soldiers and then try to kill them in tiny groups... the opposite of what you have been saying to minimise Russian casualties.

    They tend to like operating with civilians as meat shields so killing certain units in their barracks makes a lot of sense.


    Fact of the matter is that we attacked a sovereign state and are now talking about breaking the morale of their soldiers by wiping them out in mass strikes.

    A sovereign state in name only, run by the US to attack Russia with and was already murdering its own citizens and justifying it by claiming they were Russian speaking Russians.

    As soon as Russia recognised the Donbass and Lugansk republics... which under international law they had every right to declare independence and Russia has every right to recognise, then the Kiev forces occupying their territory and killing their people became the attacker and Russia responded by helping its newly recognised neighbours to defend themselves.

    The west blew the shit out of Iraq when rescuing Kuwait in 1991, and economic sanctions crippled the country for the next few decades...

    Whatever the nature of the regime there.. such a strategy would be hideous. I hope that's not what our command is thinking.

    Kiev was the aggressor state that by its own admission was already fighting Russian forces... Putin just made it official...


    People can judge me later, But for me it means more Russians Troops get home alive to their family's when this is done.

    And that is another point... the western world has already tried and convicted Putin of a million war crimes already... what are a few more and why would he start to care now?

    So with Zelensky warning about WW3 if the talks fail, I think the plan is for a NATO no-fly zone using air defense systems

    Well with Russian civilian airlines banned from HATO airspace and EU airspace then why don't the Russians turn on their S-400s and create no fly zones over those HATO countries...

    No more air deliveries of weapons to the Orcs... that would be useful... it would also make those air defence systems in those HATO countries fair game if they start to track Russian aircraft... or missiles...

    what do you guys think about the prospect of Azov actually tries to overthrow Zelinsky if he accepts Russian terms ?

    Lots of infighting would be good... reduces the pressure on Russian forces... and gets the job done too by killing more nazis.

    Only 3-5km ? It's a shitty system.

    They are 80mm aircraft rockets, it is a highly mobile equivalent of a light truck with a rocket pod from an aircraft placed on the rear... it would be used to direct fire at a building or enemy position so you wouldn't want to be firing from enormous ranges... it is a rocket replacement for a HMG for fighting in urban areas.

    Are you some supersense-guy and knew about Operation Z before the rest of us?

    He just recognises a leopard never changes his spots...

    photographed by an Londoner that ripped it off the door.

    Looks like a bus stop... perhaps a back bench MP was there getting a blow job and left his laptop with secret files there again... the person giving the blow job probably put up that sign.

    Although the S-5 was largely dropped from Russian service it could still make a come back.

    The warhead was deemed too light... it was about 800 grammes of HE, which is rather more than a hand grenade but still not a lot.

    Interestingly the RPG-16 was a 58mm calibre tube that had a rocket entirely contained inside the tube and was reusable like an RPG-7 which has a smaller 40mm tube.
    The enlarged tube of the RPG-16 meant a bigger rocket motor but smaller shaped charge warhead which was still quite potent but they kept making bigger warheads for the RPG-7 so the RPG-16 remained a VDV weapon mostly but they tend to use RPG-7 and RPG-29 and disposable rockets now.

    Ukrainian troops that were based in Berdyansk - thousands and thousands of soldiers and sailors - surrendered the port without a fight, leaving the entire infrastructure of the port intact ...

    There were Ukrainian troops in the Crimea that chose to stay and become Russian, there will be more Ukrainians in the Ukraine who want to stay and remain Ukrainian too.

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    Post  Regular Mon 21 Mar 2022, 14:19

    Airbornewolf wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #7 - Page 5 London10

    photographed by an Londoner that ripped it off the door.

    Why ripped it off? Call the cops and don't let it go. My Russian friend really got idiots in trouble for even lighter russophobia in the UK. If you can talk crap on FB/META and on social media without being banned it doesn't mean you are immune to persecution from spreading hate. The media will not pick it up, but the police definitely will. CCTV is everywhere in UK.

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    Post  RTN Mon 21 Mar 2022, 14:46

    Werewolf wrote:It is called "Ugroza" which was a programm for upgrading unguided rockets to be guided just like PKWS and is used on S-13 rockets within military service.
    When was Ugroza even introduced? How many Russian helos, UAVs do you know of that are carrying Ugroza?

    GarryB wrote:Those western guided rockets cost more than Ataka ATGMs and have less range and payload.
    You need to come up with better excuses.

    Western precision guided rockets are 70mm with a > 5km range. Given their precision we don't need to fire several of these rockets. In Iraq and Afghanistan enemy snipers were neutralized with these rockets. That's how precise they are. Light armored vehicles have been destroyed with these rockets. For heavily armored vehicles we can swap precision guided rockets for precision guided missiles.

    Re cost, they are being mass produced for rotary platforms, fixed wing platforms and drones. Economies of scale has ensured that their cost is now at an all time low.

    Looking at how semi skilled Ukranians are blowing Russian tanks till kingdom comes with just local ATGMs, UAVs, helos armed with these precision rockets would have wreaked havoc with any Russian armored convoy.
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    Post  mnrck Mon 21 Mar 2022, 15:26

    Today training center is in Rovno Region, 80+ Mercenaries, Ukrainian Radicals did not live.
    Sputniknews.

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    Post  nomadski Mon 21 Mar 2022, 15:26


    In built up areas of towns , where civilians and Orcs are mixed , then advance warning could be given to them , before buildings are levelled . This could be done by dispersing coloured smoke or dye ( Red ) , along streets about to be levelled , just before an attack . This gives the Orcs a choice of retreat / surrender or death . I think most will choose surrender , given a real choice . One or two examples may only be needed . Word gets around .

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