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    Post  lancelot Fri Apr 01, 2022 2:55 pm

    The MC-21 already had a program to replace Western components. This is nothing like the naval propulsion issue where no such program existed.
    The icebreaker electric components were already replaced a long time ago.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:01 pm

    The 4th part of the Yamal LNG project of Novatek is already implemented with all russian tech.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:03 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bakhti Nishanov
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    “Russia wants us to support them but we don’t recognize Crimea, or Donbas. Yes, we are in a union with Russia but it doesn’t apply to this situation. We won’t help Russia avoid US and EU sanctions.” - Deputy  chair of the presidential administration in Kazakhstan. This is huge.

    Someone should remind the leadership of Kazakhstan who saved their ass in Janurary.

    The again, they may be doing things secretly while openly saying they won't get involved so they are out of limelight. Issue is, that tactic never works.

    This time it could work. There´re a lot of western companies involved in Kazakh oil and gas. I guess all sides will keep quiet about "some" under the counter dealings not to hurt this business.

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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bakhti Nishanov
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    “Russia wants us to support them but we don’t recognize Crimea, or Donbas. Yes, we are in a union with Russia but it doesn’t apply to this situation. We won’t help Russia avoid US and EU sanctions.” - Deputy  chair of the presidential administration in Kazakhstan. This is huge.

    Someone should remind the leadership of Kazakhstan who saved their ass in Janurary.

    The again, they may be doing things secretly while openly saying they won't get involved so they are out of limelight. Issue is, that tactic never works.

    Yeah its hard to know. Maybe Kazakistan can be used as a 3rd country to get around some of the import/export sanctions if they don't adopt all the policies of Russia.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:15 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    Even Schol* can understand this.

    You don't like your Palpatine, do you? scratch  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    He is no Palpatine, more the third Stormtrooper from the left.

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    Post  Autodestruct Fri Apr 01, 2022 3:40 pm

    Backman wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Bakhti Nishanov
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    “Russia wants us to support them but we don’t recognize Crimea, or Donbas. Yes, we are in a union with Russia but it doesn’t apply to this situation. We won’t help Russia avoid US and EU sanctions.” - Deputy  chair of the presidential administration in Kazakhstan. This is huge.

    Someone should remind the leadership of Kazakhstan who saved their ass in Janurary.

    The again, they may be doing things secretly while openly saying they won't get involved so they are out of limelight. Issue is, that tactic never works.

    Yeah its hard to know. Maybe Kazakistan can be used as a 3rd country to get around some of the import/export sanctions if they don't adopt all the policies of Russia.

    Kazakhstan and Russia are switching their bilateral trade over to rubles, which cannot be sanctioned. It will be easy for them to meet the rules of dollar denominated sanctions in the long term. There will be some hiccups while switching over.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:25 pm

    Hole wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    Even Schol* can understand this.

    You don't like your Palpatine, do you? scratch  Laughing Laughing Laughing

    He is no Palpatine, more the third Stormtrooper from the left.

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    Palpatine = George Soros and Klaus Schwab!

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    Post  Kiko Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:38 pm

    Western Nazi roots always grew deeper than the social and economic costs it is willing to pay for its Russophobic mood.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:48 pm

    Those deep roots are rotten. They project inferiority on Russia and then proceed to formulate their aggression based on this
    nonsense. This was exactly what Hilter did. He was frothing at the mouth a about a rotten Soviet facade that would crumble
    as soon as Germany invaded. The current "collective Hitler" in the NATzO is making the exact same brain spasm. Russia's
    "gas station economy" was supposed crumble under the sanctions.

    NATzO will not win the economic war on Russia. Russia cannot be starved of resources and its fundamental economy cannot
    be stopped. I expect NATzO to dispatch sabotage units into Russia in a desperate attempt to achieve their fantasy objectives
    by blowing up power plants, power pylons, dams, factories, etc. But Russia is ready for such sabotage. It really is poetic
    justice that Putin was part of the KGB. He knows that counter-intelligence and state security are like the immune system.
    Without them, the state dies. Now the west is left grasping at straws since its intelligence network in Russia has been effectively
    suppressed. Russia's revival over the last 20+ years is substantially dependent on the restoration of the function of the state
    security by Putin.

    PS. State security in Russia is not about suppressing dissidents. Russia has tolerated brazen 5th columnists and NATzO bootlicks
    in the mass media and entertainment since before Putin's arrival. Navalny would never have seen any jail time if he was not an
    actual criminal (the Kirovles grift, etc.).

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:55 pm

    silent pale silent pale

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    Post  andalusia Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:56 am

    I think this is a good idea that Russian engineers in the Auto Industry and MIG, Sukhoi businesses should strongly look into copying this engine technology.

    I think this could help them counter the West who is making economic war on Russia.  Can you imagine this engine in cars, trucks, edgers, and military machines like submarines being exported to other countries outperforming US products?


    The Rotary Wankel Engine was used in Mazda in the 70s and 80s before they ended it. I think this new design by this Connecticut company is great. It could not only be used in cars, lawnmowers and edgers but also in military applications like submarines, jets, tanks, etc....

    What do you guys think?


    https://steemit.com/science/@sabot/revolutionary-new-rotary-engine-design-promises-clean-efficient-and-quiet-performance
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:19 am

    flamming_python wrote:On board we have Russia, Brazil, China, India, South Africa, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, Bangladesh, Syria, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, Iraq, Argentina, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Central African Republic, Mali, Eriteria.
    At a minimum. It's already a sizeable grouping.

    Prospectively also Egypt, Mexico, Angola, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Hungary, Serbia, Montenegro, Lebanon, North Korea, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, DRC, Algeria, Chad, Afghanistan
    Pakistan and Nepal are now completely bankrupt, that aside Pakistan Chief of Army Staff General Qamar Javed Bajwa is supporting Ukraine in this conflict.

    He went on to say: “The conflict gave hope to smaller countries that they could still defend their territory with smaller but agile forces against aggression by a bigger country by carrying out selective modernisation of equipment.”

    https://www.geo.tv/latest/409017-coas-gen-bajwa-addresses-islamabad-security-dialogue
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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:11 am

    These are just a few massive areas where I fear the impact will be felt.

    The sanctions of 2014 had very serious effects for Russia, but at its core it allowed Russia to wean itself off of having to buy Soviet era stuff from the Ukraine to help support its economy at a time when they could and should have been making their own and much better.

    The reality is that while subsidising Ukrainian products up until 2014, Russia was largely replacing or creating its own versions of most other things... by buying Ukrainian motors for helicopters and aircraft and ships and lots of other things it could focus on making improved Russian versions of everything else or buying things from the west like french thermal imagers and electric motors from other companies around the world... UAVs from Israel... though not their best of course, under water unmanned vehicles from the UK and other countries too...

    Well in 2014 the door was shut on Ukrainian products and they have now largely replaced most of that stuff and in many cases the new stuff is rather better than what they were buying... their new PD series of jet engines are state of the art and scalable to any size they want... no body else has that...

    Their new helicopter engines are more powerful and more fuel efficient, and their ships engines and other temporary replacement engines have improved performance over the originals because they are more precisely made on modern equipment and tools and better materials are used to make them.

    Well now the west is cutting Russia off from their products... of course that is going to hurt too, but the potential to replace western stuff with their own new stuff and sell that to the rest of the world without screwing them the way the west has been for the last thousand years is going to be great...

    Palpatine = George Soros and Klaus Schwab!

    Not to mention Mrs Palpatine who died recently...

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    Post  Kiko Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:21 am

    "The ruble is becoming the new reserve currency, with global reach" says Pepe Escobar.

    International correspondent Pepe Escobar assessed, in an interview with journalist Leonardo Attuch, editor of TV 247, that the ruble, the Russian currency, will become an international reserve currency. "The ruble is becoming a new reserve currency, with global reach," he says. Pepe also claims that soon all BRICS countries will be able to pass off the dollar.

    In the interview, he spoke about the drama of Germany and a number of European countries, which depend on Russian energy to produce. “The big bang has already begun. Now buyers have to open accounts not only in Russian banks, but also within Russia,” he says. "It is impossible to replace Russian energy in the medium term," he says.

    Pepe also claims that China will help Latin America free itself from imperialism in the future, but says that the priority is Eurasia. He also points out that the Russians see this war as existential.

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    Post  Autodestruct Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:11 pm

    andalusia wrote:I think this is a good idea that Russian engineers in the Auto Industry and MIG, Sukhoi businesses should strongly look into copying this engine technology.

    I think this could help them counter the West who is making economic war on Russia.  Can you imagine this engine in cars, trucks, edgers, and military machines like submarines being exported to other countries outperforming US products?


    The Rotary Wankel Engine was used in Mazda in the 70s and 80s before they ended it. I think this new design by this Connecticut company is great. It could not only be used in cars, lawnmowers and edgers but also in military applications like submarines, jets, tanks, etc....

    What do you guys think?


    https://steemit.com/science/@sabot/revolutionary-new-rotary-engine-design-promises-clean-efficient-and-quiet-performance

    That would be a gamble for the automotive industry. Rotary engines are a niche product because they have the inherent characteristic of oil burning since the rotor is constantly pushing the oil film into the combustion chamber. This leads to poor emissions. (And why cars don't usually use them because otherwise big cities would fill with smog.) The oil burning also leads to maintenance problems and shortened life.

    It would probably work better for lawnmowers. You only use those intermittently and so there is less of a worry with smog.

    Yeah, this company may say they have squeaky clean emissions. But they would have to prove it. On paper, the Wankel engine should be very clean too.

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    Post  par far Sat Apr 02, 2022 3:55 pm

    " A few bloggers have reported today that official Chanel brand stores abroad are refusing to sell their products to Russian nationals."


    https://thesaker.is/from-marias-office-the-fashion-nazi/

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:34 pm

    par far wrote:" A few bloggers have reported today that official Chanel brand stores abroad are refusing to sell their products to Russian nationals."


    https://thesaker.is/from-marias-office-the-fashion-nazi/


    The real level of western civilization. The important thing is for Russians to see this reaction and learn from it.
    It appears that the final delusions about the "better west" are dying in Russia.

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sat Apr 02, 2022 6:47 pm

    How well protected are the leading russian engineers and designers ? The west might resort to assassination attempts if nothing else works.

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    Post  Broski Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:03 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/gazprom-halts-gas-shipments-europe-critical-pipeline
    Gazprom Halts Gas Shipments To Europe Via Critical Pipeline
    After European nations imported the most gas from Russian sources yesterday in months, scrambling to stock up on supplies as Russian President Vladimir Putin's deadline to either pay for gas in rubles (or be cut off) came and went, Russian gas giant Gazprom has officially halted all deliveries to Europe via the Yamal-Europe pipeline, a critical artery for European energy supplies.

    Instead of flowing toward Germany and the EU, gas supplies on Friday and Saturday started flowing in the opposite direction, according to Gascade, the network operator.

    In recent months, the EU has already boosted imports of LNG from the US...
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    ...and despite President Biden's promise to bolster to exports to the EU (although he stipulated that not all of this additional capacity would come from the US), researchers at Goldman Sachs have already shown that US exports of LNG are already at capacity.
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    Another problem for pipeline-dependent Europe: the continent presently doesn't have the infrastructure to allow it to rapidly ramp up imports of LNG, which must be carefully processed and "regassified" before it can be distributed to utilities and other distributors of energy.

    A map below illustrates the level of dependence that various European economies have on Russia.
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    But it's not just the Germans who must now make due without Russian gas supplies. British energy major Shell is being cut off from Russian supplies in response to the UK's economic sanctions on Russia, said Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    "London wants to be the leader of everything anti-Russian. It even wants to be ahead of Washington! That’s the cost!" Peskov outlined.

    So far, the UK is the only country to have imposed sanctions on Russia's Gazprombank, through which payments for Russian natural gas are made. The measure effectively denies Britain the ability to pay for the commodity, and has forced Gazprom to walk away from the sales and trading arm. In accordance with Putin's decree that Russian gas be paid for in rubles, Gazprom has set up foreign-currency accounts for customers where their currencies can be converted into rubles on the Moscow exchange.

    Now that Putin is turning up the pressure, the European nations have a difficult choice ahead: either they can play ball and demonstrate to the world that their efforts to wean themselves off of their dependence on Russian energy have been mostly in vain. Or they can face a "catastrophic" economic crisis as energy prices soar, leading to rationing, blackouts and other measures that will make the 1970s oil crisis in the US look like child's play.
    I give them 1 month tops before they come crawling back to Russia.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:43 pm

    There's a no-confidence vote on Khan in Pakistan coming up, after he refused to impose sanctions on Russia at the behest of the West, and has even praised India's neutral position on the conflict - which has really incensed his critics; pseudo-patriots who are likely just tools for Washington.

    In Sri Lanka there's unrest in the streets, apparently martial law being declared over an economic crisis in the country. Could be an attempt by the West to install a friendly regime there as well. They're really not happy with India and have threatened to impose sanctions against them if they buy Russian oil/gas 'above a certain amount' (to which BTW the Indians pointed to how much oil/gas the EU buys from Russia)

    https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/79195

    Meanwhile the British were visiting Azerbaijan. They want the country to open another front against Russia by continuing with the provocations against Nagorno-Karabakh, thus giving Pashinyan the excuse to detach himself from Russia too.
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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:21 pm

    The US LNG is a joke. It is a very small fraction of the 200 billion cubic meters that Russia was supplying the EU many times
    over the last 15 years. 200 or 150 makes no difference. The EU can build all the LNG terminals it wants, but that is not
    going to give the US magical LNG export capacity.

    I will repeat, so-called US LNG is often sourced from 3rd parties. This included Russia!

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 02, 2022 8:24 pm

    flamming_python wrote:There's a no-confidence vote on Khan in Pakistan coming up, after he refused to impose sanctions on Russia at the behest of the West, and has even praised India's neutral position on the conflict - which has really incensed his critics; pseudo-patriots who are likely just tools for Washington.

    In Sri Lanka there's unrest in the streets, apparently martial law being declared over an economic crisis in the country. Could be an attempt by the West to install a friendly regime there as well. They're really not happy with India and have threatened to impose sanctions against them if they buy Russian oil/gas 'above a certain amount' (to which BTW the Indians pointed to how much oil/gas the EU buys from Russia)

    https://t.me/new_militarycolumnist/79195

    Meanwhile the British were visiting Azerbaijan. They want the country to open another front against Russia by continuing with the provocations against Nagorno-Karabakh, thus giving Pashinyan the excuse to detach himself from Russia too.

    It is Cold War 2.0 with regime change to contain Russia and China. But things have changed in the last 50 years. Banana coups are not going to last
    long since the economic fundamentals are not there. The US and its minions are parasites, they demand tribute and do not subsidize anyone. So
    even if they install a loyal regime in Sri Lanka, the unrest will increase. "It's the economy, stupid."

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    Post  Broski Sat Apr 02, 2022 9:48 pm

    From a comment on Zerohedge. 

    The 5 Stages of Grief:
    1. Denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Paying in Rubles

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